Assange: Everyone wants Pence In and Trump Out

[AuH20]

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even the Clintons as well.

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[Brian4Liberty]

Wikileaks' Assange Claims Hillary, Intel Officials "Quietly Pushing A Pence Takeover" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-14/wikileaks-assange-claims-hillary-intel-officials-quietly-pushing-pence-takeover)
by Tyler Durden - Mar 14, 2017


Over the weekend we noted chatter that some saw Mike Pence as "the Deep State's insurance policy," and now, judging by tweets from Wikileaks' Julian Assange, that may well be the Clinton/Intelligence Officials plan...

Clinton stated privately this month that she is quietly pushing for a Pence takeover. She stated that Pence is predictable hence defeatable.

— Julian Assange (@JulianAssange) March 14, 2017

Adding that...

Two IC officials close to Pence stated privately this month that they are planning on a Pence takeover. Did not state if Pence agrees.

— Julian Assange (@JulianAssange) March 14, 2017

As The Daily Caller notes, Assange’s claims appear to come in response to reports that President Trump authorized the CIA to perform drone strikes on terrorists Monday evening...

By handing unilateral power to the CIA over its drone strikes at this time White House signals that bullying, disloyalty & incompetence pays

— Julian Assange (@JulianAssange) March 14, 2017

As we concluded previously, if Trump doesn’t adopt the Cold War 2.0 approach of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and is forced out of his own administration in the same manner as Flynn, it will become clear why once we learn who would replace him: Mike Pence.

No matter what one makes of Trump - or his administration and the policies that have been initiated thus far - the fact remains that Trump won the U.S. election. The people working behind the scenes to oust him are not subject to democratic controls, nor are they working in the best interests of the American public. We are left to ask ourselves exactly how renewing relations with Russia – a nuclear power – could possibly endanger American lives.

Either way, we are more or less left with two paths ahead of us. The first path involves Trump giving in and adopting an anti-Russian agenda, as is already apparent in his decision to send more ground troops to Syria alongside Saudi troops, who will intentionally oppose the Syrian regime (a close ally of Russia). The second involves the possibility of another direct coup within the Trump administration, this time one that may ultimately force Trump out of the White House so he can be replaced by Mike Pence, a war hawk who will be more than happy to do the job Hillary Clinton wanted to do.

[AuH20]

Has there been a historical precedent where the POTUS replaced the VP? I know that Agnew was forced to resign.

[Brian4Liberty]

Has there been a historical precedent where the POTUS replaced the VP?

Usually under scandal situations, but yes, POTUS can ask for VP resignation whenever they want. [edited again for clarity]

[pcosmar]

Has there been a historical precedent where the POTUS replaced the VP? I know that Agnew was forced to resign.

Reagan Bush

[dannno]

Alex Jones for emergency VP?

[Valli6]

Didn't ya just always know this was gonna happen? The day Pence's name was floated for VP, I think everyone on this forum knew there was some plot in the works.

[AuH20]

Appointing Rand Paul as VP would likely start a hot civil war within the Deep State, the likes we would have never seen.

[Zippyjuan]

Rand Paul as VP would likely start a hot civil war within the Deep State, the likes we would have never seen.

Trump only likes yes men and loyalists. Rand isn't one of those. No chance of Trump offering Rand anything.

[dannno]

Trump only likes yes men and loyalists. Rand isn't one of those. No chance of Trump offering Rand anything.

You watch too much cartoons.

[AuH20]

Trump only likes yes men and loyalists. Rand isn't one of those. No chance of Trump offering Rand anything.

It would keep him protected, that's for sure. Rand Paul would be the ultimate life insurance policy.

[Zippyjuan]

It would keep him protected, that's for sure. Rand Paul would be the ultimate life insurance policy.

You suggesting nobody would want to see Rand Paul as president?

[Valli6]

Trump only likes yes men and loyalists. Rand isn't one of those. No chance of Trump offering Rand anything.
But unlike most politicians, Rand has doctor skills and can express and explain an opposing viewpoint - without making the other person feel insulted. Rand's honest input, could only make Trump a better president. Of course if Trump really wanted to rile the deep state, he'd put RON Paul in some position of power! :D

[pao]

Unless it was to just get him out of the Senate, and then fire later.

[AuH20]

You suggesting nobody would want to see Rand Paul as president?

Not the people in power. At least with Trump, they can negotiate. I don't see that with Rand as chief executive.

[nikcers]

Not the people in power. At least with Trump, they can negotiate. I don't see that with Rand as chief executive.
There can be no negotiation with our freedom. Either bring our troops home or we will impeach you.

[Brian4Liberty]

It would keep him protected, that's for sure. Rand Paul would be the ultimate life insurance policy.

You mean Ron Paul... Rand is working hard in the Senate.

[nikcers]

You mean Ron Paul... Rand is working hard in the Senate.
FUCK Trump's transition buddy Reince Priebus. This should be Ron Paul's second term. Ron Paul would of atleast won the popular vote over the most unpopular politician in my lifetime.

[TheCount]

Why would anyone think that Trump would want to replace Pence with someone better? He chose him in the first place. Is this another area where we're going to pretend like Trump really wanted to do something great but couldn't because... reasons?

[AuH20]

Why would anyone think that Trump would want to replace Pence with someone better? He chose him in the first place. Is this another area where we're going to pretend like Trump really wanted to do something great but couldn't because... reasons?

Pence was chosen to appease the highly influential Christian Dominionist sect as well as the GOPe. It was a negotiating tactic made for further support and gains. The GOPe controls both the House and the Senate. Several appeasements were made so Trump's campaign and agenda could proceed forward.

[specsaregood]

Trump only likes yes men and loyalists. Rand isn't one of those. No chance of Trump offering Rand anything.

Randal has been nothing but loyal if not sly about it. Everytime he is painted as in disagreement, he couches his position at matching that of Trumps and that it is the media and others that are disloyal.

[nikcers]

Pence was chosen to appease the Christian Dominionist sect as well as the GOPe. It was a negotiating tactic for further support and gains. The GOPe controls both the House and the Senate. Several appeasements were made so Trump's campaign and agenda could proceed forward. What kind of negotiation tactic is that, I promise to let you kill me and have someone else do what you ordered me to do if I refuse to do it? What kind of negotiation gives the establishment everything? You would have to put someone there the establishment wouldn't want more then you for leverage against the establishment.

[dannno]

Why would anyone think that Trump would want to replace Pence with someone better? He chose him in the first place. Is this another area where we're going to pretend like Trump really wanted to do something great but couldn't because... reasons?

Reasons? You mean like winning the Presidency? Would you agree that it doesn't take much of an IQ to realize that is that pretty important?

[TheCount]

Pence was chosen to appease the Christian Dominionist sect as well as the GOPe. It was a negotiating tactic for further support and gains. The GOPe controls both the House and the Senate. Several appeasements were made so Trump's campaign and agenda could proceed forward.Exactly the excuse I thought that you would make. You can't pretend like every single thing that Trump does that you don't agree with is somehow the fault of someone else besides Trump, while simultaneously attributing everything good that he does to him specifically. It's delusional.

[dannno]

What kind of negotiation tactic is that, I promise to let you kill me and have someone else do what you ordered me to do if I refuse to do it? What kind of negotiation gives the establishment everything? You would have to put someone there the establishment wouldn't want more then you for leverage against the establishment.

This is why you aren't the President.

[TheCount]

Reasons? You mean like winning the Presidency? Would you agree that it doesn't take much of an IQ to realize that is that pretty important?Are you genuinely suggesting that Pence was the factor that won Trump the Presidency?

I've heard a lot of theories, but absolutely none of them named Pence as important whatsoever.

[oyarde]

Clinton is delusional . Pence could beat her in the same places Trump did . She is a globalist socialist at best. Those votes in Michigan and Wisconsin were not for trump but against clinton . Quite frankly the dem party will be dead when she is nominated again .

[dannno]

Exactly the excuse I thought that you would make. You can't pretend like every single thing that Trump does that you don't agree with is somehow the fault of someone else besides Trump, while simultaneously attributing everything good that he does to him specifically. It's delusional.

You think it is delusional to think that Trump may have lost if he had been perfectly straight forward about everything?

This is why you aren't the President.

[nikcers]

This is why you aren't the President.
No Trump is why idiots shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[AuH20]

Exactly the excuse I thought that you would make. You can't pretend like every single thing that Trump does that you don't agree with is somehow the fault of someone else besides Trump, while simultaneously attributing everything good that he does to him specifically. It's delusional.

No excuse. The plain facts. Pence is not the type of person Trump has associated with in the past. They are polar opposites in many respects. Christie would have made more sense. This relationship reeks of artificiality and political maneuvering.

[nikcers]

You think it is delusional to think that Trump may have lost if he had been perfectly straight forward about everything?

This is why you aren't the President. How do you know Trump isn't being straight forward about everything?

[dannno]

Are you genuinely suggesting that Pence was the factor that won Trump the Presidency?


You think Trump only did one thing to win the Presidency?

Another reason you are not the President..

[dannno]

How do you know Trump isn't being straight forward about everything?

Do you think he has been straight forward about everything?

[TheCount]

Christie would have made more sense. This relationship reeks of artificiality and political maneuvering.Christie is a weasel who wasn't even popular in his own state. What benefit would he have brought to the table?

If anything, selecting -anyone- except Christie was one of the best decisions Trump made during the campaign.

[AuH20]

Christie is a weasel who wasn't even popular in his own state. What benefit would he have brought to the table?

If anything, selecting -anyone- except Christie was one of the best decisions Trump made during the campaign.

My point being that at least Trump has a history with Christie. Pence was a stranger until a few months ago.

[CPUd]

Pence calls Assange tweets about 'Pence takeover' of White House 'absurd' and 'offensive'
By Andrew Kaczynski, CNN
Updated 12:47 PM ET, Tue March 14, 2017


(CNN)Vice President Mike Pence said Tuesday that two tweets from WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange claiming a possible "Pence takeover" of the White House were "absurd" and "frankly offensive."

"I would find all of that dialogue to be absurd and frankly offensive," Pence told radio host Laura Ingraham. "It is the greatest honor of my life to serve shoulder-to-shoulder with the 45th President of the United States. To see his leadership every day, to see the compassion that he has for the American people every day. I would dismiss that out of hand and tell you that I'm just, I'm so excited about the progress that we've been made strengthening this country, protecting this country, reviving this country's economy and all credit goes to President Donald Trump."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/14/politics/kfile-pence-julian-assange/index.html

[nikcers]

Do you think he has been straight forward about everything?
Listen to his actions and not his words and you will hear what I hear. That's what Ron Paul did, if you look at his progression over the Trump presidency he gave Trump the benefit of the doubt. Now he says that Trump is the same as Obama.

[TheCount]

My point being that at least Trump has a history with Christie. Pence was a stranger until a few months ago.If you're suggesting that Trump has a history of associating with weasels and selecting them to be his advisers and yes-men, then we are in agreement.

[TheCount]

Do you think he has been straight forward about everything?Generally speaking, yes. He was even straight forward about the things that his supporters thought that he didn't actually intend to do... such as boots on the ground in Syria and killing the families of terrorists.

[CPUd]

They are like cult members

http://i.imgur.com/kdR968t.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/7b7p7OR.jpg

[dannno]

Generally speaking, yes. He was even straight forward about the things that his supporters thought that he didn't actually intend to do... such as boots on the ground in Syria and killing the families of terrorists.

This post has zero grounding in reality. You have zero grounding in reality.

[TheCount]

This post has zero grounding in reality. You have zero grounding in reality.Are there not boots on the ground in Syria?

Are there not dead terrorist family members in Yemen?

[CPUd]

The invasion of Syria was a tremendous success

[dannno]

They are like cult members


Hah, at least Trump and his campaign manager were not members of an actual cult, that actually traffics, sacrifices and has sex with children.

[nikcers]

They are like cult members
multi dimensional chess so complex you can't even comprehend it

http://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/hostedimages/1442818224i/16282235.png

[nikcers]

At least Trump is not Hitler.

[CPUd]

Hah, at least Trump and his campaign manager were not members of an actual cult, that actually traffics, sacrifices and has sex with children.

This post has zero grounding in reality.

[dannno]

Are there not boots on the ground in Syria?

Fighting Assad's army? Or Islamic extremists?



Are there not dead terrorist family members in Yemen?

Innocent casualties from an attack planned by Obama?

You guys were saying Trump was going to actively murder families of terrorists on purpose.... Has that happened yet?

[dannno]

This post has zero grounding in reality.

lol, ok, you keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night.

[CPUd]

Obama planned that raid to make Trump look bad, and the fantastic generals tricked him into signing off on it.

[nikcers]

Fighting Assad's army?




Innocent casualties from an attack planned by Obama?

You guys were saying Trump was going to actively murder families of terrorists on purpose.... Has that happened yet?
Your right, now Trump can blame drone strikes on the CIA now. The puppet has cut the strings. LOL

[Zippyjuan]

Hah, at least Trump and his campaign manager were not members of an actual cult, that actually traffics, sacrifices and has sex with children.

He hangs out with those too. http://southfloridareporter.com/president-trump-witness-list-palm-beach-lawsuit-involving-billionaire-pedophile/


President Trump On Witness List In Palm Beach Lawsuit Involving Billionaire Pedophile

President Donald Trump is on a list of witnesses for trial in a Palm Beach lawsuit that pits billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein against a Fort Lauderdale attorney who represents Epstein’s victims.

The case appears bound for trial this summer following a Feb. 9 ruling by the Florida Supreme Court in another case that has allowed Fort Lauderdale lawyer Bradley Edwards’ claim of malicious prosecution against Epstein to proceed.

President Trump “has been identified as an individual who may have information relating to these allegations,” said Edwards’ West Palm Beach attorney Jack Scarola, who placed Trump’s name on a witness list on Aug. 31. “But it’s unlikely that he would ever be called” to appear at trial, especially now that he’s assumed the presidency.

Scarola said Trump is one of a number of high-profile individuals whose testimony might be relevant because they “had a relationship with Epstein that would have at least exposed them potentially to what was going on inside Epstein’s Palm Beach home … during the relevant period of time” between 2001-2007.


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/436890/did-donald-trump-and-jeffrey-epstein-rape-13-year-old-girl


Is There Anything to a Lawsuit Accusing Donald Trump of Raping a 13-Year-Old Girl with Bill Clinton’s Billionaire Sex Buddy?

As if Donald Trump didn’t have enough legal problems and bad juju, now he has another headache to deal with: a lawsuit filed yesterday in federal court in New York accusing him (along with billionaire Jeffrey Epstein) of raping a 13 year old girl in 1994 at a party at Epstein’s place. The allegations are quite lurid, and reek of similar underage-sex-slavery charges made against Epstein. The lawsuit itself is not that likely to go very far; it appears to be a rehash of a suit previously dismissed in California. The statute of limitations has long since run out, requiring the “Jane Doe” plaintiff to offer creative arguments for why she should be able to bring this up now.

That said, there’s no statute of limitations in politics. Is there anything to this? We know, on the one hand, that nasty truths come out about political figures every campaign season. As a thrice-married admitted adulterer, Trump’s history doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence in this area, from bragging about bedding married women to his comments to Howard Stern about watching Paris Hilton’s sex tape to his weird habit of commenting on the sex appeal of his own daughter to embracing convicted rapist Mike Tyson to defending Bill Clinton himself in his sex scandals in the 1990s, just to pick a few examples. We know, on the other hand, that bogus sex scandals follow just about everyone who makes it to the national level in politics. Offhand, I believe Mitt Romney may have been the only major party nominee the past 25 years who never had anybody in the press try to shop a sex scandal story (real or bogus) about him. Voters mostly gave the benefit of the doubt to Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio when flimsy sex stories were run against them in the primaries. Trump’s great wealth and messy public personal life make him a big target for this sort of thing. Sometimes, we have to just look at the facts we have and use our judgment.

[dannno]

Obama planned that raid to make Trump look bad, and the fantastic generals tricked him into signing off on it.

If these Generals don't show any signs of progress, Trump will not think they are so great anymore.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Hardcore liberals think Pence is worse than Trump because social issues.

[CPUd]

Pretty sure the taco bowl is secret code for something

http://i.imgur.com/O2JsgTg.jpg

[dannno]

He hangs out with those too. http://southfloridareporter.com/president-trump-witness-list-palm-beach-lawsuit-involving-billionaire-pedophile/

Has Trump been to Bohemian Grove? Bilderberg meetings? Come on zip, spill the dirt.

[nikcers]

If these Generals don't show any signs of progress, Trump will not think they are so great anymore.
The military industrial complex already had lots of years to progress. We need to leave the middle eat. We need MEXIT. We need to bring our troops home. Why the fuck are we going to give the government another chance at the middle east. I don't want to take their oil- we could get off of oil if we really wanted to.

[Zippyjuan]

Has Trump been to Bohemian Grove? Bilderberg meetings? Come on zip, spill the dirt.

We are not allowed to discuss such matters in public.

[nikcers]

Has Trump been to Bohemian Grove? Bilderberg meetings? Come on zip, spill the dirt. Zippy has Trumps tax returns. WTF zippy, why the fuck are you holding out here?

[CPUd]

We marched in there, we can march right back out.

[Zippyjuan]

Zippy has Trumps tax returns. WTF zippy, why the $#@! are you holding out here?

Nah- Putin has those.

[dannno]

The military industrial complex already had lots of years to progress. We need to leave the middle eat. We need MEXIT. We need to bring our troops home. Why the fuck are we going to give the government another chance at the middle east. I don't want to take their oil- we could get off of oil if we really wanted to.

You should have voted for Trump. If he doesn't see progress, we will pull out. If there is progress, we will pull out in pretty short order.

[CPUd]

You should have voted for Trump. If he doesn't see progress, we will pull out. If there is progress, we will pull out in pretty short order.

Well, that's up to the CIA and the generals now.

[dannno]

Well, that's up to the CIA and the generals now.

Ya, no.

[CaptUSA]

...It's delusional.

Of course it is. In order to continue to support this guy, they have to bend reality in all sorts of "interesting" ways. It is neither rational nor consistent. But they don't care. They have a cult of personality and they'll believe in it until the end.

[nikcers]

You should have voted for Trump. If he doesn't see progress, we will pull out. If there is progress, we will pull out in pretty short order.Maybe if we weren't having fake debates between Trump and Sanders and Trump didn't chicken out we wouldn't be having this false debate on healthcare that is really just a subsidy on insurance. I gave up believing in Trump when he refused to debate Sanders. Rand Paul begged to debate Sanders he would of destroyed him and his idea of a free lunch. They had their Rand Paul lite debate Sanders and since everyone hates Rand Paul lite no one heard the message of free markets or liberty.

[Influenza]

You think it is delusional to think that Trump may have lost if he had been perfectly straight forward about everything?

This is why you aren't the President.

If you know all these neat tips, why aren't you president?

[undergroundrr]

There are all kinds of reasons thrown out there for why Pence was chosen as VP. But I never hear this one - What if trump chose Pence because he admired him and because he wanted to have someone on the same page to help him carry out his foreign policy agenda?

"I’ve found the leader that will help us deliver a safe society, and a prosperous, really prosperous society. Indiana Governor Mike Pence was my first choice." - DJt

One can admire trump for his initiative and efficiency. Surely nobody else would have ramped up war so quickly and virulently in their first month in office. He's remarkable. Who else would have handed the reins to the CIA and MIC so immediately and decisively? There's no need to replace him with Pence, who probably would be tepid in comparison.

[dannno]

If you know all these neat tips, why aren't you president?

Not old enough.

[Superfluous Man]

Usually under scandal situations, but yes, POTUS can replace VP at will.

This is not true. The VP was elected. It's not like a cabinet position. He would need to be impeached by the House and convicted by Congress in order to get fired just like the President himself.

[Superfluous Man]

Are you genuinely suggesting that Pence was the factor that won Trump the Presidency?

I've heard a lot of theories, but absolutely none of them named Pence as important whatsoever.

I totally disagree with you. Pence was a huge factor in most never-Trump conservatives eventually caving. Trump barely won even with him, and certainly wouldn't have won without him.

[Mordan]

No excuse. The plain facts. Pence is not the type of person Trump has associated with in the past. They are polar opposites in many respects. Christie would have made more sense. This relationship reeks of artificiality and political maneuvering.

I agree. Pence is Bush 2.0

[Superfluous Man]

This relationship reeks of artificiality and political maneuvering.

That's usually what the selection of a VP candidate is all about.

Trump wouldn't be in the WH now if he had chosen Christie or anyone else who wouldn't have expanded his support base.

[Superfluous Man]

I agree. Pence is Bush 2.0

You realize two different Bushes have already been president. Right?

[Ender]

There are all kinds of reasons thrown out there for why Pence was chosen as VP. But I never hear this one - What if trump chose Pence because he admired him and because he wanted to have someone on the same page to help him carry out his foreign policy agenda?

"I’ve found the leader that will help us deliver a safe society, and a prosperous, really prosperous society. Indiana Governor Mike Pence was my first choice." - DJt

One can admire trump for his initiative and efficiency. Surely nobody else would have ramped up war so quickly and virulently in their first month in office. He's remarkable. Who else would have handed the reins to the CIA and MIC so immediately and decisively? There's no need to replace him with Pence, who probably would be tepid in comparison.

Yep.

[TheCount]

I totally disagree with you. Pence was a huge factor in most never-Trump conservatives eventually caving. Trump barely won even with him, and certainly wouldn't have won without him.Hillary was so polarizing and hated that I think they would have shown up to the polls to vote against her even if Trump's VP pick had been the exhumed corpse of Michael Jackson.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

It's delusional.


Yes, you use that word quite a bit. Yes, the liberty people here are delusional to you. The only people not delusional to you are progressives.

[shakey1]

president pence???... ugh!

https://pics.onsizzle.com/vp-inee-mike-pence-ls-really-hank-hills-father-cotton-3106765.png
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnbPDRmVYAQ-Nq5.jpg

[Carlybee]

Well...probably couldn't get worse and I don't know what is worse...Trump or his groupies. A woman I know asked why couldn't Trump just sign an executive order to impose term limits on Congress.

[Gumba of Liberty]

Yes, you use that word quite a bit. Yes, the liberty people here are delusional to you. The only people not delusional to you are progressives.

The anti-trumpers are just as bad as the pro-trumpers. Both sides are anti-truth, anti-facts, and pro-feelings.

Could Trump have selected Pence for VP because he is a clean-cut, impressive(ish), moderate conservative? Sure.

Could Trump have selected Pence for VP to get the Neocon #nevertrumpers and establishment Republicans in Congress on board? Definitely possible.

Could the Deep State try to overthrow the Trump/Bannon Regime and install Pence ala George HW? It's happened before (for less).

Does it look like Pence and Ryan are establishment globalist lackeys pushing Obamacare-Lite? Sure does.

Could Trump (using Pence) be purposefully giving Ryan enough rope to hang himself with Obamacare-Lite? I wouldn't rule it out.

Interesting times indeed.

[nikcers]

Well...probably couldn't get worse and I don't know what is worse...Trump or his groupies. A woman I know asked why couldn't Trump just sign an executive order to impose term limits on Congress. That would make it awkward, Trump is the one who campaigned to get some of these bastards re-elected.

[Ender]

Hillary was so polarizing and hated that I think they would have shown up to the polls to vote against her even if Trump's VP pick had been the exhumed corpse of Michael Jackson.

Hey- I'll take MJ any day!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAi3VTSdTxU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWf-eARnf6U


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PivWY9wn5ps


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2AitTPI5U0

[invisible]

Hey- I'll take MJ any day!

Not me. Even to this day, I'll still say:
pepsi? EWWWW...michael jackson drinks that stuff!

Here, this one is much more appropriate for the trumpettes:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcJjMnHoIBI

[Mordan]

The anti-trumpers are just as bad as the pro-trumpers. Both sides are anti-truth, anti-facts, and pro-feelings.

Could Trump have selected Pence for VP because he is a clean-cut, impressive(ish), moderate conservative? Sure.

Could Trump have selected Pence for VP to get the Neocon #nevertrumpers and establishment Republicans in Congress on board? Definitely possible.

Could the Deep State try to overthrow the Trump/Bannon Regime and install Pence ala George HW? It's happened before (for less).

Does it look like Pence and Ryan are establishment globalist lackeys pushing Obamacare-Lite? Sure does.

Could Trump (using Pence) be purposefully giving Ryan enough rope to hang himself with Obamacare-Lite? I wouldn't rule it out.

Interesting times indeed.

I like this post. I want more.

[Brian4Liberty]

This is not true. The VP was elected. It's not like a cabinet position. He would need to be impeached by the House and convicted by Congress in order to get fired just like the President himself.

Well, how the VP is chosen has changed several times. At this point, the VP is selected by the POTUS, and the Electoral College basically votes for a ticket. The President can ask for the resignation of the VP, and most would comply. No impeachment necessary. A stubborn VP could refuse, but it wouldn't be likely, and would probably get ugly.

[oyarde]

Hillary was so polarizing and hated that I think they would have shown up to the polls to vote against her even if Trump's VP pick had been the exhumed corpse of Michael Jackson.

I would have been delighted to have a dead guy to vote for .

[nikcers]

yep


Does it look like Pence and Ryan are establishment globalist lackeys pushing Obamacare-Lite? Sure does.

"Obviously, the major components are staying intact, because this is something we wrote with President Trump, this is something we wrote with the Senate committee," Paul Ryan said.

"This is the plan we ran on all of last year."

[francisco]

Usually under scandal situations, but yes, POTUS can replace VP at will.

Uh, No.

Certainly pressure can be applied on a VP to resign (from any quarter, including public opinion or the media) ala Agnew. But once VP is elected, POTUS does not have the right to dismiss said VP at will.

At the next election, POTUS could elect to not choose the current VP as his running mate, ala FDR dumping Henry Wallace. But again, in a given term the VP is not subject to dismissal by POTUS.

[CPUd]

If Trump runs again in 2020, he should put Chuck Schumer on the ticket.

[specsaregood]

Uh, No.

Certainly pressure can be applied on a VP to resign (from any quarter, including public opinion or the media) ala Agnew. But once VP is elected, POTUS does not have the right to dismiss said VP at will.

At the next election, POTUS could elect to not choose the current VP as his running mate, ala FDR dumping Henry Wallace. But again, in a given term the VP is not subject to dismissal by POTUS.

One could argue that with the spy tools at hand, any President has enough power to dig up more than enough blackmail to force any VP to resign or get impeached. Hell, in a position such as trump, it might even be arguable to pick a VP that you already have the dirt on.

[Brian4Liberty]

Uh, No.

Certainly pressure can be applied on a VP to resign (from any quarter, including public opinion or the media) ala Agnew. But once VP is elected, POTUS does not have the right to dismiss said VP at will.

At the next election, POTUS could elect to not choose the current VP as his running mate, ala FDR dumping Henry Wallace. But again, in a given term the VP is not subject to dismissal by POTUS.

Yes, "at will" is not exactly correct. As you said, POTUS can ask for resignation. Clarification was already posted above:


Well, how the VP is chosen has changed several times. At this point, the VP is selected by the POTUS, and the Electoral College basically votes for a ticket. The President can ask for the resignation of the VP, and most would comply. No impeachment necessary. A stubborn VP could refuse, but it wouldn't be likely, and would probably get ugly.

[TheCount]

Fighting Assad's army? Or Islamic extremists?Who cares? Which of those are we at war with?


Innocent casualties from an attack planned by Obama?
Should Trump go ahead with everything else that Obama planned as well?



You guys were saying Trump was going to actively murder families of terrorists on purpose.... Has that happened yet? Are they not dead?

Were they passively murdered, perhaps? Less dead somehow?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Who cares?


You. After Obama got out of office.

[Zippyjuan]

Fighting Assad's army? Or Islamic extremists?




Innocent casualties from an attack planned by Obama?

You guys were saying Trump was going to actively murder families of terrorists on purpose.... Has that happened yet?

Blame falls to the person who called for it. Or was Kennedy not to blame for the Bay of Pigs fiasco either?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/03/politics/yemen-raid-trump-obama/


"It wasn't something the President approved and said good to go," said a former Obama administration official. The plan was discussed at several levels, but never fully approved -- because such situations are remarkably fluid based on daily intelligence and conditions on the ground.

Ned Price, former Special Assistant to Obama and the National Security Council responded to Spicer's briefing by arguing his timeline of events was wrong.

"The specific operation in question was never presented to or considered by the Obama Admin for approval," he tweeted.

A separate senior government official involved in the Obama administration's NSC told CNN that the Defense Department worked up general proposals for an overall set of targets in Yemen that were then discussed among the agencies in the closing weeks of Obama's term.

"This particular raid was not discussed -- just the broad framework," said the former government official. "Moreover, no recommendation was made other than a recommendation to provide the next administration with the necessary information to make a decision after they had a chance to run their own deliberative interagency process."


After Mattis was sworn in to lead the Pentagon on January 20 -- the same day Trump took the oath of office -- the order was presented to the new secretary of defense for the first time, the White House official said. Mattis reviewed the plan for four days and sent it back to the National Security Council -- with two pages of notes -- on January 24.

After the dinner meeting, which many saw as the official go ahead for the plan, the group of deputies -- which now under the Trump administration included KT McFarland, Trump's deputy national security adviser - met again January 26 and approved the order.

Trump officially signed off on the plan January 26, kicking it into high gear given the next moonless night was a mere four days away, the White House official said.

[CPUd]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6u-2h_WwAEeCfD.jpg

[Zippyjuan]

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/09/trumps-ramped-up-bombing-in-yemen-signals-more-aggressive-use-of-military/


Trump’s Ramped-Up Bombing in Yemen Signals More Aggressive Use of Military

After a week of punishing airstrikes loosed on al Qaeda in Yemen that saw 40 targets go up in flames and smoke, American pilots took a breather the past two nights, watching the dust settle.

The weeklong blitz in Yemen eclipsed the annual bombing total for any year during Obama’s presidency. Under the previous administration, approval for strikes came only after slow-moving policy discussions, with senior officials required to sign off on any action. The Trump administration has proven much quicker at green-lighting attacks.

More broadly, the expanded bombing in Yemen signals a more aggressive use of military force by the Trump administration against Islamist militants, from Syria to Afghanistan. The White House already has approved the deployment of Marines and special operations forces to Syria and a large-scale commando raid in Yemen. On Thursday, a top commander suggested more troops are headed to Afghanistan.

[Superfluous Man]

You guys were saying Trump was going to actively murder families of terrorists on purpose.... Has that happened yet?

Not just us, Trump was saying that too.

Has it happened yet? I assume so. If not, that surprises me. It's certainly not for lack of desire to murder innocent dark-skinned children on Trump's part. Give him some time.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/09/trumps-ramped-up-bombing-in-yemen-signals-more-aggressive-use-of-military/



:rolleyes:

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/03/politics/yemen-raid-trump-obama/



:rolleyes:

[Zippyjuan]

Thank you for your informative addition to the discussion.

[Carlybee]

That would make it awkward, Trump is the one who campaigned to get some of these bastards re-elected.

Well, the point is..why give presidents unlimited power. Some of these idiots see nothing wrong with bypassing Congress or the Constitution for that matter. I am personally for term limits, but not unlimited executive power.

[Ender]

Fighting Assad's army? Or Islamic extremists?




Innocent casualties from an attack planned by Obama?

You guys were saying Trump was going to actively murder families of terrorists on purpose.... Has that happened yet?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?508448-Race-For-Raqqa-Major-US-Escalation-In-Syria&p=6432725#post6432725

[Ender]

Well, the point is..why give presidents unlimited power. Some of these idiots see nothing wrong with bypassing Congress or the Constitution for that matter. I am personally for term limits, but not unlimited executive power.

Absolutely agree- be nice to first stop all the unconstitutional wars.

[oyarde]

Trump and Pence may turn out to be an effective team .

[anaconda]

Usually under scandal situations, but yes, POTUS can replace VP at will. [Edit: ask for VP resignation]

VP must be impeached. Cannot be fired.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Thank you for your informative addition to the discussion.


It was a comment on your "informative addition to the discussion." Thanks!

[nikcers]

"Obviously, the major components are staying intact, because this is something we wrote with President Trump, this is something we wrote with the Senate committee," Paul Ryan said.

"This is the plan we ran on all of last year." ..