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Brian4Liberty
03-10-2017, 11:50 AM
Lie, lie, lie: Ryan and Co. caught in twisted pretzel of lies to preserve Obamacare (https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/03/lie-lie-lie-ryan-and-co-caught-in-twisted-pretzel-of-lies-to-preserve-obamacare)
By: Daniel Horowitz | March 10, 2017


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The lying being employed to preserve Obamacare has likely surpassed the degree of intensity of the Gang of Eight immigration bill when Republicans were trying to convince conservatives the bill was the opposite of what it actually did.

At the time, they lied about the nature of the bill, its outcomes, its cause and effect, and the entire premise behind it. They used conservative talking points to describe something antithetical to what was actually in the bill while at the same time telling us lies about the legislative process. Allies of GOP leadership also managed to get liberal groups to fund ads in conservative districts selling amnesty as border enforcement.

All of those elements are playing out this week — except the stakes and magnitude of the lying is worse.

They are repealing Obamacare and not repealing it at the same time!

Out of one side of their mouths varying establishment figures say #RINOcare is full repeal. When we demonstrate that it’s not, they blame the Senate parliamentarian and congressional process. They say we cannot repeal the price-hiking, competition-destroying regulations that form the core of Obamacare because the parliamentarian won’t allow those provisions through the budget reconciliation process.
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The parliamentarian excuse is a bald faced lie and here’s the proof

As for the question of the parliamentarian and the budget process, we have already thoroughly debunked the myth that the regulations cannot be repealed through reconciliation. Based on precedent, CBO’s analysis, the courts, and the power of the vice president (presiding officer of the Senate) to overrule the parliamentarian, the regulations can all be repealed in a one-sentence bill. Republican leaders, who are owned by the Obamacare-loving Chamber of Commerce, just don’t want to do it. There are cants and there are wonts. This is a clear example of wont.

But here’s further proof they are lying to us about the constraints of the budget reconciliation process. The fine print of their own bill self-incriminates their contention that regulations cannot be repealed through the budget reconciliation. I noted before that the Congressional Research Service lists 24 regulations in Obamacare. The heart and soul of what drives up the costs are the core regulations of guaranteed issue, community rating, and the requirement to cover a panoply of wasteful costs. Those elements are what has made Obamacare insolvent because they force insurers to cover everyone under every circumstance for every disease at the same price of the general public. It takes the concept of insurance out of insurance. Hence, the crushing costs for everyone and the lack of choice and competition.

However, there are a bunch of other regulations that have a much smaller impact on the marketplace. Two of the 24 regulations are actually repealed or modified in this GOP bill. They are called “actuarial value” and age-rating restrictions. They will only have a negligible effect, especially because actuarial value is not repealed until 2020, long after the death spiral will occur.

It’s not important to get into the details of what these regulations do, but the inclusion of them in the GOP bill demonstrates incontrovertibly that when Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wisc. (F, 51%) wants to stick regulation repeal into budget reconciliation he can. There are also several other extraneous provisions in the bill that don’t have a positive budgetary effect, yet Republicans don’t seem to worry about the parliamentarian striking them out of the process.

The bottom line is that the parliamentarian has no right to subject every individual provision of the bill to the “Byrd Rule” (requirement to have a budget effect) instead of looking at the entire bill in totality as a net budget cut. Ryan is simply lying when he says we can’t repeal guaranteed issue and community rating, which have a much greater budgetary impact than almost anything else he does include in the bill.
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More: http://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/03/lie-lie-lie-ryan-and-co-caught-in-twisted-pretzel-of-lies-to-preserve-obamacare

The Northbreather
03-10-2017, 12:10 PM
Where is the potus on this?

Brian4Liberty
03-10-2017, 12:43 PM
Where is the potus on this?

He seems to have bought the Ryan song and dance.

osan
03-10-2017, 12:59 PM
Lie, lie, lie: Ryan and Co. caught in twisted pretzel of lies to preserve Obamacare (https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/03/lie-lie-lie-ryan-and-co-caught-in-twisted-pretzel-of-lies-to-preserve-obamacare)
By: Daniel Horowitz | March 10, 2017

Calling it "insurance" is far less truthful than calling a goldfish a 3/8" flarenut wrench. It may be many things; insurance is not among them.

TheCount
03-10-2017, 01:02 PM
He seems to have bought the Ryan song and dance.Trump played the intro to the song and dance. He was extremely favorable to national healthcare during the campaign. His only objection is Obama care seems to be that it wasn't his plan.

Brian4Liberty
03-10-2017, 01:09 PM
Trump played the intro to the song and dance. He was extremely favorable to national healthcare during the campaign. His only objection is Obama care seems to be that it wasn't his plan.

I've seen many a manager or executive like Trump. They come out, say what they want, some permanent bureaucrat yesman with an agenda like Ryan says, "ok, this is the only way to do it", then said executive barks "do what he says".

TheCount
03-10-2017, 02:30 PM
I've seen many a manager or executive like Trump. They come out, say what they want, some permanent bureaucrat yesman with an agenda like Ryan says, "ok, this is the only way to do it", then said executive barks "do what he says".I think that's just making excuses for Trump. He is doing the thing that he said that he would do. The manner of its accomplishment is not the issue.

Brian4Liberty
03-10-2017, 03:46 PM
I think that's just making excuses for Trump. He is doing the thing that he said that he would do. The manner of its accomplishment is not the issue.

That was not the description of a competent manager. Granted, Trump always emphasized the "replace" part, and he is middle of the road politically, so keeping some aspects of Obamacare is probably what he wants. But if we are taking him at his word now, he might be against the swamp dwellers that helped write this "repeal/replace" legislation at the same time. He is of the "let's make government more efficient" camp, rather than the "get government out of as much as possible" camp. Both of which are better than the "Hillary/Pelosi/Schumer swinging from the chandeliers at the Swamp Dweller Ball with lobbyists screaming drinks are on the ignorant taxpayers" camp.

CPUd
03-13-2017, 01:16 PM
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/839086723552411648

Jan2017
03-14-2017, 08:15 AM
Trump is using the "imploding" reference a couple times now.

Obama's signature accomplishment - by a 5-4 vote called constitutional if you "just" consider the mandate penalty as a "tax" -
will be his boondoogle and undo any legacy of greatness -
it is an insurance industry monopoly mandate determined as constitutional.

CPUd
03-14-2017, 09:47 AM
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https://twitter.com/ChrisRuddyNMX/status/841672572454490113

enhanced_deficit
03-14-2017, 11:08 AM
There were rumors that Ryan was trying to sabotage current Prez.