Trump tweets: Rand will come along with the new and great health care program

[jct74]

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[MallsRGood]

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[CPUd]

This should end well.

[MallsRGood]

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[CaseyJones]

wow Rand grab that ball and run like Forrest Gump

[Brian4Liberty]

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[Brian4Liberty]

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[Cleaner44]

Rand is in a great position to influence Trump and the GOP.

[Matt Collins]

This is almost too good to be true!

[qh4dotcom]

Rand is a bit clueless....he wants insurance companies to cover people with pre-exisiting health conditions. What do you all think about that?

[CaptUSA]

Ok... Where are the cuckers?!

I feel like we need to quote invisible again.


Don't worry, surely the trumpettes will be along soon enough, to do one or more of the following:
A) Argue about the meaning of words like "cut", "spending", "military", "entitlement", "increase", and "budget"
B) Tell us that their authoritarian idol really didn't mean what he said
C) Tell us that this is a brilliant move in a game of 3-D chess that only trumpettes are capable of understanding
D) Tell us that it's ok because obomba did it first
E) Tell us that it's ok because it would have been horrible if clinton had done the very same thing
F) Tell us that this is what Liberty and Freedom really mean
G) Call CPUd names

[silverhandorder]

Capt you sad. Learn to not be a sore loser.

Also didn't I tell you all they will get along?

Time to remind the likes of ender who were parsing Rand's endorsement to claim it is a non endorsement.

[Brett85]

Rand is a bit clueless....he wants insurance companies to cover people with pre-exisiting health conditions. What do you all think about that?

Where do you get that from?

[qh4dotcom]

Where do you get that from?

http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-paul-introduced-obamacare-replacement-act-2017-1

"It (Rand's bill) would also provide a two-year window for people with preexisting conditions to sign up for care."

[dude58677]

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/839268048313929729?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp %5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[Brett85]

http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-paul-introduced-obamacare-replacement-act-2017-1

"It (Rand's bill) would also provide a two-year window for people with preexisting conditions to sign up for care."

Well his plan at least repeals the preexisting condition provision after two years.

[MallsRGood]

http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-paul-introduced-obamacare-replacement-act-2017-1

"It (Rand's bill) would also provide a two-year window for people with preexisting conditions to sign up for care."

i.e. a smooth transition

Whereas, with Obamacare/Trumpcare, the preexisting condition rule is permanent.

[EBounding]

http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-paul-introduced-obamacare-replacement-act-2017-1

"It (Rand's bill) would also provide a two-year window for people with preexisting conditions to sign up for care."

The point is that it ends in a relatively short period of time. What is your idea?

[dannno]

Whereas, with Obamacare/Trumpcare, the preexisting condition rule is permanent.

I still don't know what TrumpCare is, but PaulRyanCare calls for a 30% penalty if you lose insurance and go back on. It also gives people tax money back to spend on their health insurance.

Still ObamaCare lite, but it may be a bit better than what we have now.

[brushfire]

Rand is a bit clueless....he wants insurance companies to cover people with pre-exisiting health conditions. What do you all think about that?

Clueless? I would have to disagree - he's been at the epicenter of this for quite some time. Rand is for creating group plans/associations that are market driven. Rand also is for separating the repeal from the replace - although Rand is for voting on the two items in the same day.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhH7bFkhjt4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tD-HmNnnFA




Paul’s replacement for the Affordable Care Act would both lift the unpopular requirement that all Americans have insurance and the more-popular requirement that insurers can’t deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions. The plan, similar to those floated by House Republicans recently, would expand use of tax-advantaged health savings accounts to help people afford the cost of health services.

[Zippyjuan]

Was he being sarcastic?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/house-leaders-brace-for-the-task-ahead-selling-obamacare-lite/2017/03/07/ab2f721e-02e5-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html?utm_term=.143aa4663fee


But President Trump said at a meeting with House Republicans on Tuesday afternoon that he would work with them to secure passage of their plan.

According to several attendees, Trump made clear that he wants the House bill to be approved and land on his desk largely intact. He pledged to become personally involved in persuading skeptical lawmakers and warned that failing to pass the legislation would result in trouble at the ballot box for Republicans who pledged to repeal and replace Obamacare.

“The president said very clearly . . . this is the bill he wants on his desk, and he wants to get this done quickly,” said Rep. Patrick T. McHenry (R-N.C.), the House GOP chief deputy whip, who attended the meeting. “The president is paying attention to what people are saying and doing, where they’re saying it and doing it. He is highly aware and has a highly attuned ear to what is happening in the press and has a real understanding of the challenges in order to get this bill on his desk.”

As if to prove it, Trump targeted Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) — who has emerged as the bill’s chief skeptic — with a tweet Tuesday evening: “I feel sure that my friend @RandPaul will come along with the new and great health care program because he knows Obamacare is a disaster!”

The margin of error is slim for House and Senate GOP leaders — in the House, Ryan can afford to lose only 21 GOP lawmakers. In the Senate — which is using an unusual parliamentary procedure that requires only a simple majority for legislation to be approved — Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) must persuade all but two Republicans to support the plan. Republicans have 52 seats in the Senate, and no Democrats are expected to back the overhaul in either chamber.

[MallsRGood]

I still don't know what TrumpCare is

Sure you do


but PaulRyanCare

i.e. Trumpcare


gives people tax money back to spend on their health insurance

Yes, they get money "back" even if they didn't pay anything in the first place.

TrumpMath!

[freejack]

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/839268048313929729?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp %5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Is he trolling us, because I feel like he's trolling us.

[MallsRGood]

Is he trolling us, because I feel like he's trolling us.

I take it as a desperate move to bring conservatives aboard.

[PatriotOne]

I'm not reading that the same way as you guys. I'm reading it as a request not to block the new plan.

[cero]

I'm not reading that the same way as you guys. I'm reading it as a request not to block the new plan.

that is exactly how I interpreted it

[radiofriendly]

The ball is in Paul's court.

He should call for a townhall on Hannity's show---a quasi debate on healthcare.

[seapilot]

I'm not reading that the same way as you guys. I'm reading it as a request not to block the new plan.

He tweeted THE new plan, not A new health plan. Which means you read it correctly.


As if to prove it, Trump targeted Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) — who has emerged as the bill’s chief skeptic — with a tweet Tuesday evening: “I feel sure that my friend @RandPaul will come along with the new and great health care program because he knows Obamacare is a disaster!”

[specsaregood]

Is he trolling us, because I feel like he's trolling us.

He's just playing 63d chess, he's setting it up so that when PaulRyan's bastard of a plan fails, RandPaul's plan can ride in and save the day. Or he's just trolling Randal, that's a definite possibility.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

ACA was just one giant scam to make premium rates double or even triple. Most states already had a medicaid program before ACA. We don't need a republican-care, just more jobs so people can buy their own insurance through their employer, and less regulation that lets insurance companies compete over state lines.

Same thing with food stamps. People are hungry because they have no job, but the solution isn't to just keep giving them food and treat the symptom, we need jobs so they can feed themselves.

[anaconda]

"Will come along with?" I believe Rand already has come up with a plan...

[anaconda]

Rand is a bit clueless....he wants insurance companies to cover people with pre-exisiting health conditions. What do you all think about that?

Like when you get health care at your work...you're in bigger pool and they don't check or care about preexisting conditions.

[eleganz]

Rand is a bit clueless....he wants insurance companies to cover people with pre-exisiting health conditions. What do you all think about that?

Lol he's not clueless, he did that on purpose.

Rand and Massie have already come out and loudly stated that the bill will fail. Rand used the language, "dead on arrival"

[jaymur]

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[PatriotOne]

He's just playing 63d chess, he's setting it up so that when PaulRyan's bastard of a plan fails, RandPaul's plan can ride in and save the day. Or he's just trolling Randal, that's a definite possibility.

One has to wonder if some of it is kept in for this purpose: "Anticipate compromise". A negotiating tactic.

[milgram]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlHgDM3rQGM

[Valli6]

I'm not reading that the same way as you guys. I'm reading it as a request not to block the new plan.
That was the sense I got at first, too. But I think Trump would still be open to Rand's plan IF Rand is able to push things along and make it happen - like Trump will let the two factions fight it out and may the better plan win. Sort of - "Your turn, Rand. Have at it!" They've already been out there expressing alternative viewpoints in the media and have successfully cast much doubt on Ryan's plan - so I'm not convinced we are stuck with it yet.

[afwjam]

Rand must feel his position is strengthening again. Happy to hear it.

[seapilot]

Like when you get health care at your work...you're in bigger pool and they don't check or care about preexisting conditions.

I agree and Associations which Rand talks about would free people from a certain job or employer as the only way to keep health insurance. An association can be any organization with enough members. I belong to a half dozen organizations that have special offers on car insurance, life insurance etc that give group discounts. The same could work for health insurance. I hate requirements but to immediately solve the PEC people an association that offered group health insurance could be required to take a small percentage.

[CaptUSA]

One has to wonder if some of it is kept in for this purpose: "Anticipate compromise". A negotiating tactic.

Still makes no sense. (no matter how much Trumpcuckers want to reconcile it in their cognitively dissonating minds)

If you were going to negotiate to get a good bill, you'd start on the other side. Complete repeal and let the market sort it out. Then you'd come back to the table with concessions. If they're "negotiating", they're doing it for the Democrats.

[specsaregood]

I agree and Associations which Rand talks about would free people from a certain job or employer as the only way to keep health insurance. An association can be any organization with enough members. I belong to a half dozen organizations that have special offers on car insurance, life insurance etc that give group discounts. The same could work for health insurance. I hate requirements but to immediately solve the PEC people an association that offered group health insurance could be required to take a small percentage.

I've been thinking that the associations would help with the PEC as you could have associations specializing in "insurance" for a specific condition with the ability to streamline and cut costs.

[Brian4Liberty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlHgDM3rQGM

Rand did pretty good with those snakes, especially the allephole at the end. They are trying to get soundbites to use for their agenda. Media coverage is good, but going into the viper den almost negates the benefit.

[PatriotOne]

One has to wonder if some of it is kept in for this purpose: "Anticipate compromise". A negotiating tactic.

How you guys don't hang on my every word is beyond me. I'm like an oracle :D.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/09/obamacare-blue-state-blues-art-deal-explains-replacement-debate/

[fedupinmo]

Is he trolling us, because I feel like he's trolling us.
Don't forget Don's self declared negotiating style... He goes balls to the wall knowing he will end up with less.
This seems more like wanting to chalk this one up with as little effort or expenditure of polcapital as possible.
Governmental expediency is usually the knife in Liberty's back...

[CaptUSA]

How you guys don't hang on my every word is beyond me. I'm like an oracle :D.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/09/obamacare-blue-state-blues-art-deal-explains-replacement-debate/


President Trump has used the launch, and decline, of the American Health Care Act to highlight the downside — and take some wind out of the sails of the politicians and policy wonks who convinced themselves they had all the answers.

Holy hell! People really believe this stuff! lol.

We'll chalk this up to, "what he really meant was..." or "what he's really trying to do is..." Oh, the Trumpcuckery!!! The cult of personality is strong in these ones.

[PatriotOne]

Holy hell! People really believe this stuff! lol.

We'll chalk this up to, "what he really meant was..." or "what he's really trying to do is..." Oh, the Trumpcuckery!!! The cult of personality is strong in these ones.

I don't expect a checker player to understand what a chess player is doing :toady:.

[CaptUSA]

I don't expect a checker player to understand what a chess player is doing :toady:.

Yep! 28D Chess!!


Don't worry, surely the trumpettes will be along soon enough, to do one or more of the following:
A) Argue about the meaning of words like "cut", "spending", "military", "entitlement", "increase", and "budget"
B) Tell us that their authoritarian idol really didn't mean what he said
C) Tell us that this is a brilliant move in a game of 3-D chess that only trumpettes are capable of understanding
D) Tell us that it's ok because obomba did it first
E) Tell us that it's ok because it would have been horrible if clinton had done the very same thing
F) Tell us that this is what Liberty and Freedom really mean
G) Call CPUd names

Brilliant! I think it goes something like this: (Increase spending and debt + increase entitlements + increase police power + increase warfare + increase size and scope of government) X "Magic!" = Liberty!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damn, I can't wait!!

[helmuth_hubener]

http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-paul-introduced-obamacare-replacement-act-2017-1

"It (Rand's bill) would also provide a two-year window for people with preexisting conditions to sign up for care."

Yeah, that stinks. Boo!!!

Like her or hate her, Ann Coulter's plan is actually the best out of all prominent plans that have been put out on the table currently. The best, the most libertarian, the smartest. It is this: the bill should have one sentence:

There shall be a free market in health insurance.

That's it! That's all ya need! They've had seven years to come up with this. It's not that complicated.

Then, once they've passed that (and 90% of the problem is thus solved), Ann's plan is that they:

• Repeal the requirement that hospitals provide “free” care to anyone who shows up. Me: Yes! Yes! Yes!

• Repeal the exemption of insurance companies from the antitrust laws. I don't know whether this would be a help or hindrance, but maybe it would help. Much better to repeal all the anti-trust laws, obviously.

• Make health insurance benefits taxable at the same rate as regular income. This actually would be a huge, HUGE deal, long term. You wouldn't see the effects immediately, just as the effects of the WWII wage controls and the health benefits loophole to get around it took decades to percolate and destroy the healthcare system. But slowly but surely, by effectively ending employer-provided insurance, this would bring back care into the control of the individual, which is really the only thing that can restore sanity to the system. Of course you bundle this with the slash in the overall rate so that taxes are still going massively down and at the same time you're ending this perverse incentive. It's a perfect time and opportunity to do this.

Here's the other thing. Everyone's on about how it will take 60 votes in the Senate to do the subsequent phases. 60 votes, 60 votes. So we have to pass this partially birthed monstrosity because it won't need 60 votes. Anything that's not budget needs 60 votes. ANYTHING! Look, does this Congress plan on actually passing any of its agenda, or not? Republicans have the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. Do you know what that means? It means they are in control (at least the public thinks they are and should be). Do you know what the Democrats do when they have control (e.g. in 2008 when they had House, Sentate, and Pres)? They fire up the afterburners and just plain pass stuff, all their stuff, everything they want to do. No brakes. They just push it all through. Procedure doesn't matter. Rules don't matter. Nothing matters but winning, and they just win. Win. Win. Win. Period. So are the Republicans planning on having absolutely zero, literally zero, non-budget bills pass for the next two years? Because that's what will happen. The Democrats will just stonewall. All day, every day. Easiest thing in the world for them. The Republican congressmen are just content and hunky-dory with that?

They are such cowed, useless, quivering LOSERS!

They need to get serious. To actually care about the conservative agenda, like the Democrats care about the socialist one. Short of that, to at least act like they care.

They need to burn some bridges.

They need to go scorched earth.

There's a solution. Do not fear the fillibuster. Just move forward as if it doesn't exist. Pass the bills you want to pass through the House. Just say that everything is a budget bill. That's it! Every bill is a budget bill. Or, alternatively: repeal the fillibuster. Just end it. For everything. For the next eight years, no fillibuster.

Oh, they will howl! Howl, howl, howl. Because nobody likes to lose. Until there is a ceaseless, deafening, 24-hours-a-day cacophony of howling, you know you are not winning. Once there is.... well you know you've at least made a start. Conservatives howled about losing during the Obama years, but conservatives control 0% of the media, entertainment, and cultural leaders. The left controls 100% of it. You think the GOP howling was loud? Once the left starts actually losing (they never have before. Never.), you should hear howling such as this world has never heard.

It will be the most beautiful symphony ever heard; mankind's greatest achievement.

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[sratiug]

Rand is a bit clueless....he wants insurance companies to cover people with pre-exisiting health conditions. What do you all think about that?
If "pre-existing conditions" include all the high blood pressure, diabetes and heart disease caused by government dietary guidelines and over-prescription of drugs, they could would be wiped out by recognizing that dehydration causes high blood pressure, and that dehydration and carbs cause non-insulin dependent diabetes and cancer.

[sratiug]

If "pre-existing conditions" include all the high blood pressure, diabetes and heart disease caused by government dietary guidelines and over-prescription of drugs, they could would be wiped out by recognizing that dehydration causes high blood pressure, and that dehydration and carbs cause non-insulin dependent diabetes and cancer.
No insurance plan will succeed until cost of healthcare is lowered by recognizing these indisputable facts.

[CPUd]

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[helmuth_hubener]

Just kill the fillibuster!

Just kill the fillibuster!

Once the fillibuster is dead, the votes are there; the path is wide open. To do whatever they want. This whole "process" excuse is nonsense.

[Krugminator2]

Rand is a bit clueless....he wants insurance companies to cover people with pre-exisiting health conditions. What do you all think about that?

That is the current law. People have changed their behavior because of that law. Let's say you worked for a company just for the group health insurance. Then you quit to be self-employed because insurance was now accessible to you. It would be very unreasonable to instantly take that away after making a major life change because of that government policy. Grandfathering someone in is very reasonable. You need predictable rules with some continuity for a free society to work.

[merkelstan]

That is the current law. People have changed their behavior because of that law. Let's say you worked for a company just for the group health insurance. Then you quit to be self-employed because insurance was now accessible to you. It would be very unreasonable to instantly take that away after making a major life change because of that government policy. Grandfathering someone in is very reasonable. You need predictable rules with some continuity for a free society to work.

You can't get insurance for a house that is on fire

[Dr.3D]

You can't get insurance for a house that is on fire
You might be able to, but the cost would be prohibitive.

[helmuth_hubener]

You might be able to, but the cost would be prohibitive.

Would probably be bundled with extinguishing services. Kind of a pre-payment system that comes with a satisfaction guarantee.

[Dr.3D]

Would probably be bundled with extinguishing services. Kind of a pre-payment system that comes with a satisfaction guarantee.

Yeah, you tell them you want to insure your $250,000 home and it's on fire, they say, the first monthly payment will be $300,000 and then normalize after that.

[merkelstan]

One of the strangest, most icky aspects of US health insurance is having to get new insurance with a job switch. That makes pre-existing conditions such a problem.

[helmuth_hubener]

One of the strangest, most icky aspects of US health insurance is having to get new insurance with a job switch. That makes pre-existing conditions such a problem.
Yeah, and the "Coulter Plan" (my name) would fix that. For review:

• "There shall be a free market in health insurance."

• Repeal the part of the US Code that requires hospitals to provide free care to any bum who shows up.

• Repeal the exemption of insurance companies from the antitrust laws.

• Make health insurance benefits taxable at the same rate as regular income.

I would add a couple, such as:

• Medicare is hereby repealed in full

• Medicaid is hereby repealed in full

• There shall be a free market in drug and medical development. The FDA is hereby repealed in full.

...but that's just me.

[eleganz]

Yeah, and the "Coulter Plan" (my name) would fix that. For review:

• "There shall be a free market in health insurance."

• Repeal the part of the US Code that requires hospitals to provide free care to any bum who shows up.

• Repeal the exemption of insurance companies from the antitrust laws.

• Make health insurance benefits taxable at the same rate as regular income.

I would add a couple, such as:

• Medicare is hereby repealed in full

• Medicaid is hereby repealed in full

• There shall be a free market in drug and medical development. The FDA is hereby repealed in full.

...but that's just me.

As if free market ideas on RPF was some sort of new phenomenon?

And why are you asking for free market but except when it comes to anti-trust?

[merkelstan]

Sounds good to me. I got yer six.

[helmuth_hubener]

As if free market ideas on RPF was some sort of new phenomenon?

And why are you asking for free market but except when it comes to anti-trust? I never claimed any originality. What am I, but a second-hand lamp peddler of all the great Lights I can collect?

I do, though, try to add my own twist, when I can. ;)

For enlightenment on my ideas regarding anti-trust, I would recommend you condescend to read *all* my posts in the thread. If you can find the time.

Anyway, it's not my plan, it's Ann Coulter's. She is promoting it heavily hither and yon at the moment, to great exposure and universal assent among conservatives. I find it to be an excellent plan. It's implementation would signal a great turning point in our society. I find Paul's to be... middling. I guess that's why you're suddenly hostile(and to the presentation of free market ideas, of all things!): Nothing anyone does can eclipse Rand Paul. Rand must be the pinnacle in everything. Well, I understand the sentiment, and Rans certainly is very good, as far as agreeing with me politically.

[loveshiscountry]

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[eleganz]

I never claimed any originality. What am I, but a second-hand lamp peddler of all the great Lights I can collect?

I do, though, try to add my own twist, when I can. ;)

For enlightenment on my ideas regarding anti-trust, I would recommend you condescend to read *all* my posts in the thread. If you can find the time.

Anyway, it's not my plan, it's Ann Coulter's. She is promoting it heavily hither and yon at the moment, to great exposure and universal assent among conservatives. I find it to be an excellent plan. It's implementation would signal a great turning point in our society. I find Paul's to be... middling. I guess that's why you're suddenly hostile(and to the presentation of free market ideas, of all things!): Nothing anyone does can eclipse Rand Paul. Rand must be the pinnacle in everything. Well, I understand the sentiment, and Rans certainly is very good, as far as agreeing with me politically.

You wanted the pure free market approach then you added an exception for anti-trust, I'm calling you out on it and you feel I'm being hostile, you can't take a simple question?

Not only do you feel I'm hostile towards but you had to bring Rand in to distract from the fact you are literally contradicting yourself. Notice how I never mentioned Rand or healthcare but you jumped to it immediately to somehow undermine the question I posed to you. Classic insecurity? Ad hominem?

This is RPF, we all understand the principles of free market, there is no reason to constantly repeating free market talking points we haven't heard already a million times.

I asked you a simple question. Get to the point without changing the subject, can you do that simple task?

[helmuth_hubener]

You wanted the pure free market approach then you added an exception for anti-trust, I'm calling you out on it and you feel I'm being hostile, you can't take a simple question? Huh?


Not only do you feel I'm hostile towards but you had to bring Rand in to distract from the fact you are literally contradicting yourself. Notice how I never mentioned Rand or healthcare but you jumped to it immediately to somehow undermine the question I posed to you. Classic insecurity? Ad hominem? Was the traffic bad in LA this morning, or what?


This is RPF, we all understand the principles of free market, there is no reason to constantly repeating free market talking points we haven't heard already a million times.Well then I guess let's shut it down and close up shop, because as for me I guarantee that's all I am ever going to do.

Last one out turn off the lights?


I asked you a simple question. Get to the point without changing the subject, can you do that simple task? Actually, you asked two questions. I do not know which one you now urgently need answered, but I did reply to them both.

Let me know; thanks; and maybe start leaving for work a little earlier to miss the rush; it'll be good for your blood pressure.

[specsaregood]

Was the traffic bad in LA this morning, or what?


The traffic is always bad in LA in the morning, its a shithole.

[CPUd]

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[eleganz]

Huh?

Was the traffic bad in LA this morning, or what?

Well then I guess let's shut it down and close up shop, because as for me I guarantee that's all I am ever going to do.

Last one out turn off the lights?

Actually, you asked two questions. I do not know which one you now urgently need answered, but I did reply to them both.

Let me know; thanks; and maybe start leaving for work a little earlier to miss the rush; it'll be good for your blood pressure.


More changing of topics to distract from the shtposting. Its sad, get on topic or stop trying so hard.

You've been here long enough, you should know how it works. If you can't stay consistent to your own messaging, you will get called out. Unfortunately the way you handle being called out is...meh...at best. First you're bringing up Rand Paul out of nowhere and now you're bringing up traffic as if it's some effective personal attack to distract from your intellectual inconsistency.

Can you not handle a debate without invoking ad hominem?


I'll circle it back in case you're lost.

You made the talking points on wanting all free market solutions, except for anti-trust and I questioned you on it. Apparently you couldn't handle being called out for inconsistency and made personal attacks. Familiar?

Its hilarious how far this has escalated because you're incapable of controlling your emotions.

[eleganz]

The traffic is always bad in LA in the morning, its a $#@!hole.


Its horrible. I'm glad I own my schedule and don't have to deal with it. :o

[helmuth_hubener]

and now you're bringing up traffic as if it's some effective personal attack to distract from your intellectual inconsistency. Wait! It isn't?