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Brian4Liberty
03-07-2017, 12:37 PM
Let's fully repeal ObamaCare, then have an open debate on how to replace it (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/06/senator-paul-rep-meadows-lets-fully-repeal-obamacare-then-have-open-debate-on-how-to-replace-it.html)
By Sen. Rand Paul, Rep. Mark Meadows - March 06, 2017


Republicans across America ran on repealing the Big Government takeover of our health care system that is ObamaCare. Opposition to ObamaCare helped the GOP win the House in 2010, the Senate in 2014, and the White House in 2016. Repealing ObamaCare has been a key facet of all our recent victories.

No Democrat will vote for a stand-alone, real repeal. But nearly every Republican will – in fact, nearly all of them already did in 2015.

We call on Congressional leaders to keep their word to the American people, to push a real repeal of ObamaCare, and to do it now. The only way to really do that in a way that ensures passage is to move forward with a "clean" repeal, such as the 2015 repeal bill

Many conservatives have called for Replace bills at the same time as a repeal bill. A free market replacement bill has been introduced in the Senate and a companion bill endorsed by the House Freedom Caucus. Others have their own plans and ideas. The White House will no doubt have some ideas as well.

We should debate all of these replacement ideas on the same day we pass Repeal, but we will have to separate the debate into at least two different bills because there is no consensus with leadership on replacement. While the vast majority of Republicans have come out in favor of the principals of our replacement bill, some in leadership have offered starkly different ideas.

Republican leadership wants to keep several variations of ObamaCare:

1. Leadership wants to keep ObamaCare-like subsidies to buy insurance but rename them refundable tax credits (families will be given up to $14,000 dollars of other people's money)

2. leadership wants to keep the ObamaCare Cadillac tax but rename it a tax on the top 10% of people who have the best insurance.

3. Leadership wants to keep the individual mandate but instead of mandating a tax penalty to the government they mandate a penalty to the insurance company (can it possibly be Constitutional to mandate a penalty to a private insurance company?)

4. Leadership wants to keep $100 billion of the insurance company subsidies from ObamaCare but call them "reinsurance". (Why? Because insurance companies love guaranteed issue as long as the taxpayer finances it!)

Conservatives don't want new taxes, new entitlements and an “ObamaCare Lite” bill. If leadership insists on replacing ObamaCare with ObamaCare-lite, no repeal will pass.

Nobody wants ObamaCare repealed more than we do. We think the only way to repeal ObamaCare is to separate repeal from replace.

ObamaCare provisions dressed up in shiny new GOP-branded clothes would mean the loss of too many conservative votes for passage.

But we can do the work we were sent to do. We can repeal now using the 2015 bill that United all republicans.

We can immediately turn to the replace bills, with a fair, open process much like our budget. Let everyone with a plan or an amendment come forward and speak. Let’s debate, vote and put forward a transparent, fair process so that everyone on both sides of the aisle and all sides of the debate is heard.

We own repeal. We ran on it. It is our idea. We have to pass it cleanly, now.

Then we owe the American people a real-old fashioned period of allowing all ideas to be debated and voted on to produce the best product possible.

We've got ours ready. We’ve already sponsored the replacement. We’ll advocate for – a free market plan that would lower cost and increase access for millions of Americans. The repeal we support has a timeframe to allow the market to work and ensure Americans don't lose coverage. We would love to debate it and hear my colleagues’ amendments.

Just as soon as we pass the real, clean repeal that we promised we would.

We will introduce that this week too. If anyone tells you there isn’t a plan that can both keep our promises to repeal, and work in a bipartisan, open way for replace, tell them conservatives have a plan to do just that. Now let’s hope our leadership will listen, because it is the only way they’re going to get our votes.

Republican Rand Paul represents Kentucky in the United States Senate.

Republican Mark Meadows represents North Carolina in the U.S. House of Representatives and serves on the Foreign Affairs Committee.
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/06/senator-paul-rep-meadows-lets-fully-repeal-obamacare-then-have-open-debate-on-how-to-replace-it.html

Brian4Liberty
03-07-2017, 12:50 PM
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Brian4Liberty
03-07-2017, 12:52 PM
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Superfluous Man
03-07-2017, 01:21 PM
No Democrat will vote for a stand-alone, real repeal. But nearly every Republican will – in fact, nearly all of them already did in 2015.

Yeah, but that was when they knew it would get vetoed. They didn't actually want that. Trump doesn't want it either. Nor does he want to be in the position of vetoing one of his major campaign promises.

phill4paul
03-07-2017, 02:08 PM
The Bill should have been written...

"A Bill, to repeal the Affordable Care Act, and all of it's provisions."

And ended at that.

Suzanimal
03-07-2017, 02:11 PM
Let's fully repeal ObamaCare, then have an open debate on how to replace it

Ender
03-07-2017, 03:47 PM
Let's fully repeal ObamaCare, then have an open debate on how to replace it

Pleasssssseeee!!!!

Brian4Liberty
03-07-2017, 03:56 PM
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https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/839221243681378304

TheTexan
03-07-2017, 04:06 PM
Can we do a partial repeal instead,

And only repeal the 3-4 paragraphs we dont like?

tommyrp12
03-07-2017, 04:25 PM
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Brett85
03-07-2017, 04:29 PM
If this bill is as bad as Rand and Justin are saying it is, and if it doesn't represent any improvement at all over the current bill, then it shouldn't be passed. However, people should realize that the alternative will be keeping all of Obamacare in its current form, because more moderate to liberal Republicans in Congress are opposed to full repeal. When they voted to repeal it in the past, they were just grandstanding because they knew that Obama would just veto the repeal bill anyway. Now that repealing Obamacare actually means something, they're against it. They were never in favor of full repeal.

georgiaboy
03-07-2017, 04:41 PM
If this bill is as bad as Rand and Justin are saying it is, and if it doesn't represent any improvement at all over the current bill, then it shouldn't be passed. However, people should realize that the alternative will be keeping all of Obamacare in its current form, because more moderate to liberal Republicans in Congress are opposed to full repeal. When they voted to repeal it in the past, they were just grandstanding because they knew that Obama would just veto the repeal bill anyway. Now that repealing Obamacare actually means something, they're against it. They were never in favor of full repeal.

Apparently in both the house and senate, there are enough conservatives to kill this weak bill, just as there are enough moderates to kill a full repeal.

Therefore, compromise must be achieved between conservatives and moderates, or status quo, as you say, remains status quo, and everybody loses.

This is the leverage Rand is working to exploit, and I predict if he and the other conservatives hang tough, we'll actually see some good come of this.

Brett85
03-07-2017, 04:59 PM
Apparently in both the house and senate, there are enough conservatives to kill this weak bill, just as there are enough moderates to kill a full repeal.

Therefore, compromise must be achieved between conservatives and moderates, or status quo, as you say, remains status quo, and everybody loses.

This is the leverage Rand is working to exploit, and I predict if he and the other conservatives hang tough, we'll actually see some good come of this.

I hope so, but there are some Republicans in the Senate who believe that even Paul Ryan's bill is too conservative. So at the moment the situation doesn't look good.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/politics/cory-gardner-says-he-doesnt-support-gops-obamacare-replacement-bill-without-medicaid-protections

TheTexan
03-07-2017, 05:06 PM
Apparently in both the house and senate, there are enough conservatives to kill this weak bill, just as there are enough moderates to kill a full repeal.

Therefore, compromise must be achieved between conservatives and moderates, or status quo, as you say, remains status quo, and everybody loses.

This is the leverage Rand is working to exploit, and I predict if he and the other conservatives hang tough, we'll actually see some good come of this.

Or just get everyone on board with a single-payer free healthcare plan.

That's something almost everyone can agree to

opal
03-07-2017, 05:42 PM
wait.. didn't he just have a plan to keep government involved in healthcare?

MallsRGood
03-07-2017, 05:46 PM
Or just get everyone on board with a single-payer free healthcare plan.

That's something almost everyone can agree to

Especially the President


I’m a conservative on most issues but a liberal on health. It is an unacceptable but accurate fact that the number of uninsured Americans has risen to 42 million. Working out detailed plans will take time. But the goal should be clear: Our people are our greatest asset. We must take care of our own. We must have universal healthcare.

Brian4Liberty
03-07-2017, 06:07 PM
I hope so, but there are some Republicans in the Senate who believe that even Paul Ryan's bill is too conservative. So at the moment the situation doesn't look good.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/politics/cory-gardner-says-he-doesnt-support-gops-obamacare-replacement-bill-without-medicaid-protections

The usual RINOs.

milgram
03-07-2017, 06:23 PM
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Serious or sarcastic?

TheTexan
03-07-2017, 10:03 PM
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Serious or sarcastic?

He's totally cereal

seapilot
03-07-2017, 10:11 PM
Yeah, but that was when they knew it would get vetoed. They didn't actually want that. Trump doesn't want it either. Nor does he want to be in the position of vetoing one of his major campaign promises.


I think Rand is going to make the Republicans that are not in full support of repeal to out themselves on a public voting record. They are recorded voting to repeal it when Obama was guaranteed to veto it but now that it could actually pass they are turncoats. How are they going to explain why in 2015 things were so different that they voted yes to repeal but now they wont? Their constituents are going to eat them alive.


Rand Paul, Jim Jordan To Introduce Separate Obamacare Repeal Bill

Conservative Sen. Rand Paul and House Freedom Caucus member Rep. Jim Jordan announced Tuesday they plan to reintroduce legislation repealing Obamacare that overwhelmingly passed Congress along party lines in 2015.

House leadership backed the American Health Care Act, which critics have dubbed “Obamacare lite.” Multiple provisions have been criticized, namely its language on refundable tax credits.

“Our goal is real simple: Bring down the cost of insurance for working families and middle-class families across this country. In an effort to do that we think you have to get rid of Obamacare completely. So tomorrow I will introduce a bill that every single Republican voted on just 15 months ago – the bill that actually repeals Obamacare,” Jordan said at a press conference. “Our plan has always been repeal in one piece of legislation and replace in the other. And that replacement we talked about a few weeks ago is the bill sponsored by Dr. Paul in the Senate and Mark Sanford in the House.”

According to Jordan, there was a strong consensus in the party around the 2015 reconciliation bill, as it eliminated all of the Obamacare taxes and the mandates.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/07/ra...#ixzz4ahW3YCYn

In 2015 all House Republicans voted to Repeal Obamacare except 3. All Democrats voted no. Same bill as Rand is going to try to put forward for a vote.

http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2015/...crats-vote-no/

The Senate had 52 Republicans vote yes to repeal and only 1 no in 2015.

http://dailysignal.com/2015/12/04/fi...re-provisions/

WTLaw
03-08-2017, 03:31 PM
Dumb question;

The mandate is supposed to now be not a tax, but a requirement to purchase insurance or face a penalty that is paid to the insurance company..

Wouldn't it then under a plain reading of Sebellius, be unconstitutional because in that opinion the power to regulate was only found by Roberts by labeling it a tax. This couldn't be a tax. And so, they are requiring the purchasing of a product or the payment of extra to a business. Where is the power for that? Not commerce clause....?

So might be we be all back at the Supreme court if and when we are stuck with a squish compromise?

Jamesiv1
03-08-2017, 04:27 PM
Or just get everyone on board with a single-payer free healthcare plan.

That's something almost everyone can agree to
I like free!

osan
03-08-2017, 11:35 PM
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https://twitter.com/USAB4L/status/839178740156465154

Repeal: On board.

Discussion of replacement: Depends on what you mean. Why do we need to replace it with anything? The assumption that we must seems so deeply tacit as to escape the conscious awareness of a vast plurality.

I see no reason to replace it with anything other than free markets. I am tempted to advocate "tort reform", but not sure how that would work out. It seems the best solution is no solution. Let people work out their deals.