Has Obama and co. staged a silent coup?

[LibertyEagle]

1. June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

2. July: Russia joke. Wikileaks releases emails from the Democratic National Committee that show an effort to prevent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) from winning the presidential nomination. In a press conference, Donald Trump refers to Hillary Clinton’s own missing emails, joking: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.” That remark becomes the basis for accusations by Clinton and the media that Trump invited further hacking.

3. October: Podesta emails. In October, Wikileaks releases the emails of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, rolling out batches every day until the election, creating new mini-scandals. The Clinton campaign blames Trump and the Russians.

4. October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

5. January 2017: Buzzfeed/CNN dossier. Buzzfeed releases, and CNN reports, a supposed intelligence “dossier” compiled by a foreign former spy. It purports to show continuous contact between Russia and the Trump campaign, and says that the Russians have compromising information about Trump. None of the allegations can be verified and some are proven false. Several media outlets claim that they had been aware of the dossier for months and that it had been circulating in Washington.

6. January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.

7. January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties. Other news outlets also report the exisentence of “a multiagency working group to coordinate investigations across the government,” though it is unclear how they found out, since the investigations would have been secret and involved classified information.

8. February: Mike Flynn scandal. Reports emerge that the FBI intercepted a conversation in 2016 between future National Security Adviser Michael Flynn — then a private citizen — and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The intercept supposedly was part of routine spying on the ambassador, not monitoring of the Trump campaign. The FBI transcripts reportedly show the two discussing Obama’s newly-imposed sanctions on Russia, though Flynn earlier denied discussing them. Sally Yates, whom Trump would later fire as acting Attorney General for insubordination, is involved in the investigation. In the end, Flynn resigns over having misled Vice President Mike Pence (perhaps inadvertently) about the content of the conversation.

9. February: Times claims extensive Russian contacts. The New York Times cites “four current and former American officials” in reporting that the Trump campaign had “repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials. The Trump campaign denies the claims — and the Times admits that there is “no evidence” of coordination between the campaign and the Russians. The White House and some congressional Republicans begin to raise questions about illegal intelligence leaks.

10. March: the Washington Post targets Jeff Sessions. The Washington Post reports that Attorney General Jeff Sessions had contact twice with the Russian ambassador during the campaign — once at a Heritage Foundation event and once at a meeting in Sessions’s Senate office. The Post suggests that the two meetings contradict Sessions’s testimony at his confirmation hearings that he had no contacts with the Russians, though in context (not presented by the Post) it was clear he meant in his capacity as a campaign surrogate, and that he was responding to claims in the “dossier” of ongoing contacts. The New York Times, in covering the story, adds that the Obama White House “rushed to preserve” intelligence related to alleged Russian links with the Trump campaign. By “preserve” it really means “disseminate”: officials spread evidence throughout other government agencies “to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators” and perhaps the media as well.

In summary: the Obama administration sought, and eventually obtained, authorization to eavesdrop on the Trump campaign; continued monitoring the Trump team even when no evidence of wrongdoing was found; then relaxed the NSA rules to allow evidence to be shared widely within the government, virtually ensuring that the information, including the conversations of private citizens, would be leaked to the media.

link (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/mark-levin-obama-used-police-state-tactics-undermine-trump/)

[enhanced_deficit]

It is possible but it won't be in a vacuum as there have been ongoing tensions between the two going back years. To be fair, Trump had also unleashed very harsh attacks on him while DGP was in office including leading the birther campaign, calling him founder of ISIS, calling him stupid (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?504969-Did-Trump-cross-the-line-by-inviting-a-foreign-leader-who-called-Obama-quot-son-of-a-whore-quot-twice&p=6377057&viewfull=1#post6377057) among other things. Despite initial pleasantries displayed during "transition" following Trump win, Trump has continued to make underhanded attacks like recently inviting to White House Philippines Prez who had told Obama "go to hell" and called him SOAW twice.
DGP is also accused of plotting landmines for Trump during his last days in office while in pubic wishing him success.

Team Obama keeps laying new land mines for Trump (http://nypost.com/2017/01/16/team-obama-keeps-laying-new-landmines-for-trump/)

[CPUd]

https://i.imgur.com/Kr2duHT.jpg

[TheCount]

Are you suggesting that the communications of foreigners and immigrants should not be collected? Don't you want to keep America safe?

None of this would have happened if we'd just refused entry into the country for any Russian.

[angelatc]

This is exactly his style. That's exactly how he won his IL Senate seat.

[angelatc]

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I wish I could neg you again. Nobody here is talking about Hillary, except your stupid low-value meme. The allegations that Obama used government resources to spy on the political opposition is far more worrisome than anything Russia could have done.

Of course, there's still no evidence Russia did anything. But now we have evidence Obama did.

[AngryCanadian]

Yes they did.

[jllundqu]

And just imagine how Trump will use the NSA/INTEL apparatus to target HIS enemies.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw

[PierzStyx]

link (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/mark-levin-obama-used-police-state-tactics-undermine-trump/)

Always check the sources. In this case it is: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/mark-levin-obama-used-police-state-tactics-undermine-trump/

Mark Levin, a raging anti-liberty neocon, and Breitbart, Trump's personal propaganda machine ran by Steve "I'm a Leninist" Bannon.

And I'm supposed to take this seriously?

[dannno]

And just imagine how Trump will use the NSA/INTEL apparatus to target HIS enemies.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw

In some cases they are his enemy, so we will see how that goes.

[69360]

I don't care. If the roles were reversed, I have no doubt Trump would do the same thing to an opposing party candidate. They are all crooked, lying sleazy scum.

[angelatc]

Always check the sources. In this case it is: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/mark-levin-obama-used-police-state-tactics-undermine-trump/

Mark Levin, a raging anti-liberty neocon, and Breitbart, Trump's personal propaganda machine ran by Steve "I'm a Leninist" Bannon.

And I'm supposed to take this seriously?

What is up with you today? A Genesis fallacy - really?

[CPUd]

Always check the sources. In this case it is: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/mark-levin-obama-used-police-state-tactics-undermine-trump/

Mark Levin, a raging anti-liberty neocon, and Breitbart, Trump's personal propaganda machine ran by Steve "I'm a Leninist" Bannon.

And I'm supposed to take this seriously?

Don't be silly, it came from a site on the unofficial list of approved sources (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=6424384#post6424384).

[PierzStyx]

What is up with you today? A Genesis fallacy - really?

Let em ask you something.

If this guy


https://www.biography.com/.image/c_fit,cs_srgb,dpr_1.0,q_80,w_620/MTE5NTU2MzE2MjMyMDU4Mzc5/joseph-goebbels-9313998-1-raw.jpg




told you that he had secret evidence implicating Obama as a secret Jew, would you think, "Huh, this guy is totally impartial and worth listening to?"


I don't think so.

It is only a fallacy if the sources aren't known for being "conservative" propaganda machines.

[Ender]

Always check the sources. In this case it is: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/mark-levin-obama-used-police-state-tactics-undermine-trump/

Mark Levin, a raging anti-liberty neocon, and Breitbart, Trump's personal propaganda machine ran by Steve "I'm a Leninist" Bannon.

And I'm supposed to take this seriously?

Exactly-

[Athan]

And just imagine how Trump will use the NSA/INTEL apparatus to target HIS enemies.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw

lol goddamn every time I see that fucking chipmunk I swear to god I lose my shit

[CPUd]

Let em ask you something.

If this guy


https://www.biography.com/.image/c_fit,cs_srgb,dpr_1.0,q_80,w_620/MTE5NTU2MzE2MjMyMDU4Mzc5/joseph-goebbels-9313998-1-raw.jpg




told you that he had secret evidence implicating Obama as a secret Jew, would you think, "Huh, this guy is totally impartial and worth listening to?"


I don't think so.

It is only a fallacy if the sources aren't known for being "conservative" propaganda machines.

http://i.imgur.com/aONv10f.jpg

[PatriotOne]

This might get real messy. Might be a good time to stock up on food and water and ammo. I smell a civil war brewing. The bulk of the rank and file is going to be with Trump but who knows how many high ranking globalist loyal generals, etc., they have in the ranks. God knows they have sleeper terrorist cells already here.

[PatriotOne]

lol goddamn every time I see that $#@!ing chipmunk I swear to god I lose my $#@!

It just never gets old!

[Athan]

Well depends. What does the village idiot say?


*Scans*

https://i.imgur.com/Kr2duHT.jpg


Ah, so the safe bet is to assume there is a silent coup.

[angelatc]

Let em ask you something.

If this guy


https://w_fit,cs_srgb,dpr_1.0,q_80,w_620/MTE5NTU2MzE2MjMyMDU4Mzc5/joseph-goebbels-9313998-1-raw.jpg




told you that he had secret evidence implicating Obama as a secret Jew, would you think, "Huh, this guy is totally impartial and worth listening to?"


I don't think so.

It is only a fallacy if the sources aren't known for being "conservative" propaganda machines.

Impartiality has nothing to do with it.

The fallacy comes from the insistence that the report is not credible simply because the source is dubious. Even though you consider the source dubious, the information they're passing along seems to be real. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/fbi-chief-given-dossier-by-john-mccain-alleging-secret-trump-russia-contacts) Here's another source. (https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/)

Here's another. (https://politicalwire.com/2017/01/10/mccain-gave-fbi-documents-trump/)

And here is another. (http://news.antiwar.com/2017/01/10/report-fbi-sought-fisa-court-warrant-to-surveil-trump-campaign-officials/)

Seriously - I learned this lesson when I ignored the left's incessant yammering about the Iraq War. The source of the information can certainly indicate a bias, but it doesn't negate the information.

[Ender]

Impartiality has nothing to do with it.

The fallacy comes from the insistence that the report is not credible simply because the source is dubious. Even though you consider the source dubious, the information they're passing along seems to be real. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/fbi-chief-given-dossier-by-john-mccain-alleging-secret-trump-russia-contacts) Here's another source. (https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/)

Here's another. (https://politicalwire.com/2017/01/10/mccain-gave-fbi-documents-trump/)

And here is another. (http://news.antiwar.com/2017/01/10/report-fbi-sought-fisa-court-warrant-to-surveil-trump-campaign-officials/)

Seriously - I learned this lesson when I ignored the left's incessant yammering about the Iraq War. The source of the information can certainly indicate a bias, but it doesn't negate the information.

WAIT.

So information from CNN, NYT, Politico, etc is now OK if the info seems real?

[fr33]

I don't care. If the roles were reversed, I have no doubt Trump would do the same thing to an opposing party candidate. They are all crooked, lying sleazy scum.

I'm still blaming Bush. :D

[jmdrake]

Always check the sources. In this case it is: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/mark-levin-obama-used-police-state-tactics-undermine-trump/

Mark Levin, a raging anti-liberty neocon, and Breitbart, Trump's personal propaganda machine ran by Steve "I'm a Leninist" Bannon.

And I'm supposed to take this seriously?

Yes. Because Trump = King David according to LibertyEagle.

[TheCount]

WAIT.

So information from CNN, NYT, Politico, etc is now OK if the info seems real?Feelings are more important than truth.

[timosman]

I don't care. If the roles were reversed, I have no doubt Trump would do the same thing to an opposing party candidate. They are all crooked, lying sleazy scum.

You don't like your fellow humans?:cool:

[timosman]

Feelings are more important than truth.

It is kinda sad when you reach that point.:D

[openfire]

WAIT.

So information from CNN, NYT, Politico, etc is now OK if the info seems real?

Since when does "info" from the above sources ever seem real though? For me they stopped seeming real around 2002-ish. Ever since then, the only purpose they serve (for me) is to find out what the "official narrative" is and by extension, what nefarious future agenda TPTB are conditioning the sheep to accept. The "info" they sling can sometimes be technically real but it's cherry picked, while the other 90% of the story (that would the give the audience a broader context and fuller understanding - and destroy their fake narrative), they OMIT. This, along with outright lies and other falsehoods, is how they distort the truth. Hence fake news, ie, propaganda.

[openfire]

Has Obama and co. staged a silent coup?

Yes. (trying to)

[AZJoe]

Abuse ordered abuse of intelligence agencies for political sabotage of Trump Polices
From RPI: http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2017/march/03/obama-ordered-abuse-of-intelligence-to-sabotage-trump-policies/

The "intelligence community", it is specifically the CIA here which campaigned on the Clinton side, manipulated the classification of secrets for the sole purpose of instigating witch-hunt investigations against the incoming Trump administration. Such secrets were then used to decapitate the Trump administration with the first casualty being his selected national security advisor Flynn. ... Slandered intelligence analysis was classified in low categories with the aim of distributing it far and wide and to practically guarantee that it would "leak" to the media. The real facts though were hidden as much as possible to provide no material for the Trump administration's defense.

Everyone was to receive the slander "analysis" the intelligence services provided but no one was supposed to know the sources and the real facts. This would make sure that the anti-Russia and anti-Trump "analysis" would leak but not the weak bits of facts it is based upon. To repeat: The Obama administration and the intelligence services spared no effort to sabotage the policies of the incoming Trump administration ... A lot of dirt is now thrown based on that effort and the hope is that some may stick.
Building on the illegal moves of the Cheney administration Obama installed and empowered the intelligence instruments and the precedence for such manipulations. Not since the worst days of J. Edgar Hoover has the US seen such an interior assault on politicians and policies. ...

Flynn was a maniac and Session is a crazy fossil. But that does not justify this anti-democratic abuse of the foreign policy instruments of the state against the political opponents within the country.

Obama created these tools and now left them for the Trump administration to use. They will come back to haunt the Democrats. ...

[Weston White]

https://i.imgur.com/Kr2duHT.jpg

The Clintons have been doing the same exact thing with China, no? Killary even styles herself after their top leaders (just using brighter colors), no?

[TheCount]

The Clintons have been doing the same exact thing with China, no? Killary even styles herself after their top leaders (just using brighter colors), no?
https://i.imgur.com/Kr2duHT.jpg

[Ender]

Abuse ordered abuse of intelligence agencies for political sabotage of Trump Polices
From RPI: http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2017/march/03/obama-ordered-abuse-of-intelligence-to-sabotage-trump-policies/

The "intelligence community", it is specifically the CIA here which campaigned on the Clinton side, manipulated the classification of secrets for the sole purpose of instigating witch-hunt investigations against the incoming Trump administration. Such secrets were then used to decapitate the Trump administration with the first casualty being his selected national security advisor Flynn. ... Slandered intelligence analysis was classified in low categories with the aim of distributing it far and wide and to practically guarantee that it would "leak" to the media. The real facts though were hidden as much as possible to provide no material for the Trump administration's defense.

Everyone was to receive the slander "analysis" the intelligence services provided but no one was supposed to know the sources and the real facts. This would make sure that the anti-Russia and anti-Trump "analysis" would leak but not the weak bits of facts it is based upon. To repeat: The Obama administration and the intelligence services spared no effort to sabotage the policies of the incoming Trump administration ... A lot of dirt is now thrown based on that effort and the hope is that some may stick.
Building on the illegal moves of the Cheney administration Obama installed and empowered the intelligence instruments and the precedence for such manipulations. Not since the worst days of J. Edgar Hoover has the US seen such an interior assault on politicians and policies. ...

Flynn was a maniac and Session is a crazy fossil. But that does not justify this anti-democratic abuse of the foreign policy instruments of the state against the political opponents within the country.

Obama created these tools and now left them for the Trump administration to use. They will come back to haunt the Democrats. ...

I agree with the probability of most of this except for the last sentence. I don't think Obama created this any more than JFK created the Cuban crisis. It seems the alphabets have been running the show for a long time and the president's job is to do or die.

[pcosmar]

God knows they have sleeper terrorist cells already here.

???
Terrorism is run from Wash DC. Invented, Birthed and Funded.

and they are not sleeping

[PierzStyx]

Yes. Because Trump = King David according to LibertyEagle.

Does LE need to be reminded that God didn't want Israel to have a king and that David ended up being a serial adulterer and murderer whose inter-family problems destroyed the kingdom and the unity of the people? Seriously, David was a warning, not a blue print.

[shakey1]

The DEMs are just sore losers.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw8UjUmXAAAvgAv.jpg

[PierzStyx]

Impartiality has nothing to do with it.

The fallacy comes from the insistence that the report is not credible simply because the source is dubious. Even though you consider the source dubious, the information they're passing along seems to be real. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/fbi-chief-given-dossier-by-john-mccain-alleging-secret-trump-russia-contacts) Here's another source. (https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/)

Here's another. (https://politicalwire.com/2017/01/10/mccain-gave-fbi-documents-trump/)

And here is another. (http://news.antiwar.com/2017/01/10/report-fbi-sought-fisa-court-warrant-to-surveil-trump-campaign-officials/)

Seriously - I learned this lesson when I ignored the left's incessant yammering about the Iraq War. The source of the information can certainly indicate a bias, but it doesn't negate the information.


Impartiality, at least the attempt at it, is essential. It si what separates news and facts from propaganda.

Great propaganda isn't all lies. It mixes just enough truth with just enough lies to get you to believe it. Lets say the info is correct and Obama did wiretap Trump's campaign. Does that amount to a silent coup? Certainly not. That is both inflammatory and not supported by the evidence. But that is the conclusion that Breitabart wants you to draw, not that Obama possibly did something that was possibly illegal, but that it was an effort to overthrow an American election and undermine democracy, and set up an overthrow of teh government (aka a coup) as a way to get unwavering support for Trump to do whatever he pleases and as a way to silence his critics.

You want someone to trust the source and the info? Use better sources, ones not known for being propaganda machines.

[PierzStyx]

http://i.imgur.com/aONv10f.jpg

That is creepy.


Also, I'm glad someone picked up on the reference too.