Alt-Right are "Garden-Variety Left-Wing Fascists"

[TheCount]

The so-called “alt-right” and its relationship to the conservative movement took center stage in the early hours of the Conservative Political Action Conference Thursday, and the message is clear as far as CPAC is concerned: “The alt-right ain’t right at all.”

That was the title of a speech by Dan Schneider, executive director of the American Conservative Union, the main organizer of CPAC.

Schneider noted that the best way to recognize a counterfeit dollar bill is to regularly examine authentic bills, as Treasury Department employees do. When they see a counterfeit bill, it’s like a slap in the face.“CPAC, we have been slapped in the face,” Schneider said. “There is a sinister organization that is trying to worm its way into our ranks, and we must not be duped, we must not be deceived. This is serious business.”Schneider said that while it’s important to know what conservatism is, it’s just as important to know what conservatism is not.

He said the term “alt-right” had been used for some time, but a few years ago a sinister group, white nationalists, hijacked it intentionally to confuse conservatives and the media.

This group wants to normalize itself, but he assured the CPAC crowd the alt-right is not part of the conservative movement.

The alt-right, he said, “are anti-Semites, they are racists, they are sexists.”

“They hate the Constitution, they hate free markets, they hate pluralism, they hate everything, they despise everything we believe in,” said Schneider. “They are not an extension of conservatism.

“They are nothing but garden-variety left-wing fascists!”

He explained he considers the alt-right “left-wing” because they want bigger government and less freedom.

http://www.wnd.com/2017/02/cpac-organizer-alt-right-are-garden-variety-left-wing-fascists/

More news from CPAC.

[tod evans]

they want bigger government

:mad:

[Tywysog Cymru]

Yeah, they view capitalism as a Jewish conspiracy, just like the Nazis did.

[BSWPaulsen]

Why is it the best appeal they can make is anti-Semitism, et al? Conservatives have been tagged with those labels for years. It is odd to see them play identity politics so willingly when they've suffered first hand from it.

Bizarre.

Shouldn't the winning argument be focused on disdain for the Constitution, pluralism, and free markets, instead of just making those three factors secondary to identity politics?

[CaptUSA]

Why is it the best appeal they can make is anti-Semitism, et al? Conservatives have been tagged with those labels for years. It is odd to see them play identity politics so willingly when they've suffered first hand from it.

Bizarre.

Shouldn't the winning argument be focused on disdain for the Constitution, pluralism, and free markets, instead of just making those three factors secondary to identity politics?

Agreed. I don't know about all that other mumbo jumbo, but from what I've seen in these forums, the self-proclaimed "alt-right" folks certainly have no problem with giving the government more power. In fact, they seem convinced that giving the State more power and more force will somehow benefit them. They want an all-powerful state to protect them from boogeymen.

[tod evans]

Agreed. I don't know about all that other mumbo jumbo, but from what I've seen in these forums, the self-proclaimed "alt-right" folks certainly have no problem with giving the government more power. In fact, they seem convinced that giving the State more power and more force will somehow benefit them. They want an all-powerful state to protect them from boogeymen.

Weak and ineffectual Eunuchs need government to protect them or settle their differences.

Free men don't.

[TheCount]

Why is it the best appeal they can make is anti-Semitism, et al? Conservatives have been tagged with those labels for years. It is odd to see them play identity politics so willingly when they've suffered first hand from it.It's probably an argument that he knows his audience will like. CPAC speakers tend to be strongly pro-Israel, from what I've heard and read. A fair amount of the stereotypical religious right Christian Zionist types.

[dannno]

I completely disagree with this analysis..


He said the term “alt-right” had been used for some time, but a few years ago a sinister group, white nationalists, hijacked it intentionally to confuse conservatives and the media.
The white supremacists did not hijack the alt-right, some of them just naturally attached themselves to the movement because some of what the alt-right talks about is something that white supremacists are also into. Just like a lot of White Supremacists were into Ron Paul. That doesn't make Ron Paul a bad person, or enabling white supremacy, it doesn't mean the white supremacists hijacked the freedom movement, it just means that white supremacists attached themselves to the freedom movement because they want to have the freedom to disassociate from other races. I have no desire to disassociate myself from other races, but if they want to do that, then that is their business. To use that against the freedom movement is kind of ridiculous.




This group wants to normalize itself, but he assured the CPAC crowd the alt-right is not part of the conservative movement.

The alt-right, he said, “are anti-Semites, they are racists, they are sexists.”
Again, some people who are those things attach themselves to the alt-right, but it does not define the movement.

Freedom defined the freedom movement, and freedom of (dis)association is what attracted white supremacists to the freedom movement.

Traditional, Christian cultural values and being against the establishment is what defines the alt-right, and white supremacists tend to at least claim to like traditional, Christian cultural values and tend to be against the establishment.

Is it really that difficult for people to see how that particular dynamic works?

[undergroundrr]

I completely disagree with this analysis..

The white supremacists did not hijack the alt-right, some of them just naturally attached themselves to the movement because some of what the alt-right talks about is something that white supremacists are also into. Just like a lot of White Supremacists were into Ron Paul. That doesn't make Ron Paul a bad person, or enabling white supremacy, it doesn't mean the white supremacists hijacked the freedom movement, it just means that white supremacists attached themselves to the freedom movement because they want to have the freedom to disassociate from other races.

So are you saying alt-right members don't generally support using government force to exclude people from America based on religion, race, IQ, ideology or any of that kind of thing?


Traditional, Christian cultural values and being against the establishment is what defines the alt-right,

That's not a definition of anything. It's a whitewash of consistently stated goals of the self-identifying alt-right.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Traditional, Christian cultural values and being against the establishment is what defines the alt-right, and white supremacists tend to at least claim to like traditional, Christian cultural values and tend to be against the establishment.


I don't know, a lot of people on the alt-right believe that Christianity is cuckoldry and that whites should go back to worshiping Thor.

[dannno]

So are you saying alt-right members don't generally support using government force to exclude people from America based on religion, race, IQ, ideology or any of that kind of thing?

What does that have to do with white supremacy? Right now immigration is a huge, government subsidized program. There are a lot of economic and social reasons why excluding people, yes, even by country or whatever, would help to reduce the problems caused by the government subsidized program known as immigration. I don't think that is the best solution, but it is a solution that would lead to more freedom for everyone as a whole, and would end up looking more like what the free market would lead to. That's why most people support it.





That's not a definition of anything. It's a whitewash of consistently stated goals of the self-identifying alt-right.

No, they really hate the culture being produced by modern day leftism, which is distinctly different from our country's culture going back even 2 or 3 decades ago, and more.

[PierzStyx]

The "Alt. Right" would more appropriately be called the Alt. Left. It is nothing more or less than a Leftist political movement to use the violence of the State to enforce their ideal society on everyone else.

[TheCount]

There are a lot of economic and social reasons why excluding people, yes, even by country or whatever, would help to reduce the problems caused by the government subsidized program known as immigration. I don't think that is the best solution, but it is a solution that would lead to more freedom for everyone as a whole, and would end up looking more like what the free market would lead to. That's why most people support it. http://img.pandawhale.com/post-31529-italian-spiderman-surprised-sh-l7H4.gif

[undergroundrr]

What does that have to do with white supremacy?

Should I widen it to a more inclusive race supremacy? Is it equal opportunity exclusionism? Are some of them alt.right Latinos who want whites deported by fedgov due to the Caucasian low IQ, lousy work ethic, habitual voting for statists and poor affinity for libertarianism?

[MallsRGood]

I completely disagree with this analysis..

The white supremacists did not hijack the alt-right

True, they created it.


it doesn't mean the white supremacists hijacked the freedom movement, it just means that white supremacists attached themselves to the freedom movement because they want to have the freedom to disassociate from other races

They don't want free (dis)association, they want forcible dissociation (if not actual extermination).

And they're attaching themselves to the liberty movement because they see it as the best vehicle to advance their agenda.

....not because they share the agenda of the liberty movement.

It's very much like how communists subverted the anti-war movement of the 60s.


Again, some people who are those things attach themselves to the alt-right, but it does not define the movement.

The person who coined the term alt-right (Spencer, the guy who got thrown out of CPAC) is a white nationalist.


white supremacists tend to at least claim to like traditional, Christian cultural values and tend to be against the establishment.

Everyone's "against the establishment," because everyone defines "the establishment" differently.

The SJWs are "against the establishment."

Meaningless

Their only objection to the status quo concerns identity.

They have no problem with socialism (so long as the right people are getting the benefits).

Hence they supported Trump.

[dannno]

True, they created it.



They don't want free (dis)association, they want forcible dissociation (if not actual extermination).

And they're attaching themselves to the liberty movement because they see it as the best vehicle to advance their agenda.

....not because they share the agenda of the liberty movement.

It's very much like how communists subverted the anti-war movement of the 60s.



The person who coined the term alt-right (Spencer, the guy who got thrown out of CPAC) is a white nationalist.



Everyone's "against the establishment," because everyone defines "the establishment" differently.

The SJWs are "against the establishment."

Meaningless

Their only objection to the status quo concerns identity.

They have no problem with socialism (so long as the right people are getting the benefits).

Hence they supported Trump.

Dude, shut the fuck up, there are probably only like 100 actual white supremacists in this country. I haven't even met one, and most of them are probably Feds like the people writing these retarded articles.

[dannno]

Are some of them alt.right Latinos who want whites deported by fedgov due to the Caucasian low IQ, lousy work ethic, habitual voting for statists and poor affinity for libertarianism?

I would imagine there are quite a few alt-right hispanics who don't want their jobs taken by illegal immigrants who don't have to play on a level playing field.. in fact there are a hell of a lot more hispanics who share the views of the alt-right on immigration than there are white supremacists, you don't get this just sounds like a big joke to most people.

[MallsRGood]

Dude, shut the fuck up, there are probably only like 100 actual white supremacists in this country.

Dude, get the slightest fucking clue about the people you're aligning yourself with politically.

[nikcers]

Dude, shut the $#@! up, there are probably only like 100 actual white supremacists in this country. I haven't even met one, and most of them are probably Feds like the people writing these retarded articles. Are you joking? The white supremacist movement has only grown since Trump was president. They had this KKK guy fucking auto dialing people telling them that Trump is the one who will advance their white supremacy. This is something the Russians have been advancing and pushing in order to unite Muslims against us.

They want to make Muslims think that every white person in America is part of some white supremacist movement against the Muslims so they can unite them against us. This is why Obama never said Islamic Terrorism, it feeds the Russian narrative. The Breitbart Mossad regime tried to hijack that movement and successfully did to put their president Trump in power.

[Origanalist]

Dude, shut the fuck up, there are probably only like 100 actual white supremacists in this country. I haven't even met one, and most of them are probably Feds like the people writing these retarded articles.

Lol, you're full of shit.

[Origanalist]

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Traditional, Christian cultural values and being against the establishment is what defines the alt-right, snip

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[dannno]

http://2d0yaz2jiom3c6vy7e7e5svk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Milo-Yiannopoulos-090216-800x430.jpg

Yes, Milo is great at promoting traditional conservative values, he doesn't want everybody to be gay like you think. In fact I've heard him say precisely the opposite. But you won't listen to him, which is fine, it's just sad that you think you know what he stands for.

[nikcers]

Yes, Milo is great at promoting _______________________________, it's just sad that you think you know what he stands for. Why don't you just follow the money.."the aim of starting a site that would be unapologetically pro-freedom and pro-Israel. We were sick of the anti- Israel bias ...

[dannno]

Why don't you just follow the money.."the aim of starting a site that would be unapologetically pro-freedom and pro-Israel. We were sick of the anti- Israel bias ...

I've listened to hours and hours of his speeches and interviews, and not once heard him mention the word "Israel". I'm sure he does mention it and talk about it, but it's certainly not a big focus if I've seen him speak and interview for hours without mentioning it.

[nikcers]

I've listened to hours and hours of his speeches and interviews, and not once heard him mention the word "Israel". I'm sure he does mention it and talk about it, but it's certainly not a big focus if I've seen him speak and interview for hours without mentioning it. Whatever man, I guarantee they would not let a Ron Paul guy work for breitbart. We'll see if this guy has any political power after he breaks ties with Breitbart. If no one knows who his name is afterwards then it was Breitbart propping him up, not his politics., not his principles, not his art.

[dannno]

Whatever man, I guarantee they would not let a Ron Paul guy work for breitbart. We'll see if this guy has any political power after he breaks ties with Breitbart. If no one knows who his name is afterwards then it was Breitbart propping him up, not his politics., not his principles, not his art.

It amazes me how deceptive all of your statements are, it's almost like you craft them that way on purpose..

I'm sure it would have nothing to do with the way that the media portrayed his statements to falsely discredit him..

[nikcers]

It amazes me how deceptive all of your statements are, it's almost like you craft them that way on purpose..

I'm sure it would have nothing to do with the way that the media portrayed his statements to falsely discredit him..

Well you should stop reading into it, I know I have been telling you since even before Breitbart got a position on Trumps cabinet that they were part of the Neocon establishment, before he got his neocon cabinet.

[BSWPaulsen]

They want to make Muslims think that every white person in America is part of some white supremacist movement against the Muslims so they can unite them against us. This is why Obama never said Islamic Terrorism, it feeds the Russian narrative. The Breitbart Mossad regime tried to hijack that movement and successfully did to put their president Trump in power.

Good satire.

[LibertyEagle]

Weak and ineffectual Eunuchs need government to protect them or settle their differences.

Free men don't.

Seriously? All hail the naive as all hell belief that everyone is going to agree to the NAP. And if you don't believe that is good enough, then screw you, you're a fascist, eh? :rolleyes:

You are painting with too broad of a brush.

[LibertyEagle]

Are you joking? The white supremacist movement has only grown since Trump was president. They had this KKK guy $#@!ing auto dialing people telling them that Trump is the one who will advance their white supremacy. This is something the Russians have been advancing and pushing in order to unite Muslims against us.

They want to make Muslims think that every white person in America is part of some white supremacist movement against the Muslims so they can unite them against us. This is why Obama never said Islamic Terrorism, it feeds the Russian narrative. The Breitbart Mossad regime tried to hijack that movement and successfully did to put their president Trump in power.

Why is it that some people see boogeyman white people around every corner, while ignoring things like this?

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/31322/
http://nypost.com/2017/02/23/food-cart-offers-free-food-only-for-black-people/

[LibertyEagle]

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True, they created it.



They don't want free (dis)association, they want forcible dissociation (if not actual extermination).

And they're attaching themselves to the liberty movement because they see it as the best vehicle to advance their agenda.

....not because they share the agenda of the liberty movement.

Dude, no one is trying to attach themselves to the liberty movement. The so-called liberty movement, at least in this forum, sold its soul by supporting Johnson/Weld. How embarrassing.

No, the liberty movement is currently on fizzle. It's not impacting much of anything at all. It's yet to be seen if it is revived.

[Ender]

Dude, no one is trying to attach themselves to the liberty movement. The so-called liberty movement, at least in this forum, sold its soul by supporting Johnson/Weld. How embarrassing.

No, the liberty movement is currently on fizzle. It's not impacting much of anything at all. It's yet to be seen if it is revived.

Uh, no. Some so-called liberty lovers sold their soul to Trump.

[tod evans]

Seriously? All hail the naive as all hell belief that everyone is going to agree to the NAP. And if you don't believe that is good enough, then screw you, you're a fascist, eh? :rolleyes:

You are painting with too broad of a brush.

Where did this come from?

I don't ascribe to the NAP, not in the slightest.

Nor do I advocate for government to handle my problems.

And................ I've not called anyone a fascist, maybe you should go back and read what I've written.

[JK/SEA]

Uh, no. Some so-called liberty lovers sold their soul to Trump.

you love to guilt trip people don't you..


i was a progressive democrat years ago. Voted for Bill twice. Then because of my foreign policy ideology, i looked into Ron Paul. Became a State delegate, and was told i 'sold my soul' to the republican party by my then progressive 'friends'...now you come along with this same lame mantra game....stop with this childish tactic, and start using reasonable discourse or you and i will tangle BIG LEAGUE friend.

[nikcers]

you love to guilt trip people don't you..


i was a progressive democrat years ago. Voted for Bill twice. Then because of my foreign policy ideology, i looked into Ron Paul. Became a State delegate, and was told i 'sold my soul' to the republican party by my then progressive 'friends'...now you come along with this same lame mantra game....stop with this childish tactic, and start using reasonable discourse or you and i will tangle BIG LEAGUE friend. OMG i thought Trump was saying bigly this whole time MFB.

[JK/SEA]

OMG i thought Trump was saying bigly this whole time MFB.

seems lots of listening challenged people have the same problem...

don't sweat it.

I understand.

I have progressive friends that might relate to you.

[Superfluous Man]

Why is it the best appeal they can make is anti-Semitism, et al?

I don't know if that's the best or not. But it's accurate.

[Superfluous Man]

Dude, no one is trying to attach themselves to the liberty movement.

A lot of white nationalists are. It can be seen happening on this website all the time.

[CPUd]

National Socialists and Race Realists on RPF (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?504968-National-Socialists-and-Race-Realists-on-RPF)

[Ender]

you love to guilt trip people don't you..


i was a progressive democrat years ago. Voted for Bill twice. Then because of my foreign policy ideology, i looked into Ron Paul. Became a State delegate, and was told i 'sold my soul' to the republican party by my then progressive 'friends'...now you come along with this same lame mantra game....stop with this childish tactic, and start using reasonable discourse or you and i will tangle BIG LEAGUE friend.

YOU are telling ME to use "reasonable discourse"? I have been reasonable for most of my time here on RPF- but I do admit that after being called every name in the book and enduring continuous insults for the past year because I didn't support Trump, my patience has worn a little thin.

So, let's make a deal- how about we BOTH use "reasonable discourse" and work to have an understanding, even if we don't agree?

If you just want to tangle BIG LEAGUE, I will try not to take you down too badly. ;)

And BTW- LE is one that loves to call names and follow people around w/neg comments.

[JK/SEA]

YOU are telling ME to use "reasonable discourse"? I have been reasonable for most of my time here on RPF- but I do admit that after being called every name in the book and enduring continuous insults for the past year because I didn't support Trump, my patience has worn a little thin.

So, let's make a deal- how about we BOTH use "reasonable discourse" and work to have an understanding, even if we don't agree?

If you just want to tangle BIG LEAGUE, I will try not to take you down too badly. ;)

And BTW- LE is one that loves to call names and follow people around w/neg comments.

the problem with you, and types like Cajuncocoa is, you don't respect people who were Ron supporters, and who now see the wisdom of Trump, albeit he may be a bit too radical for the blinders on crowd, and just go into full deer in the head lights mode....sadly, there are more than just the two of you in here who seem to think former Paul supporters have 'sold their soul'...quite the anemic talking point, but flame on, and expect me to flame back.

[Superfluous Man]

the problem with you, and types like Cajuncocoa is, you don't respect people who were Ron supporters, and who now see the wisdom of Trump

That's not a problem.

[JK/SEA]

That's not a problem.


it is if your main goal is to alienate former Paul activists...

good luck with whatever AGENDA it is you're promoting in here...

[CPUd]

There some so-called liberty supporters in the other thread wanting to petition the government to force google to list their quack sites.

[Superfluous Man]

it is if your main goal is to alienate former Paul activists...


I assume you meant to add the word "not."

At least you were honest enough to say "former."


good luck with whatever AGENDA it is you're promoting in here...

It's the site mission. As of now, the main agenda of this website is obstructing Trump's agenda. All of the liberal Trump supporting snowflakes who keep trolling here aren't helping, former Ron Paul supporters or not.

[undergroundrr]

he may be a bit too radical

He's a conventional progressive neocon. I can't think of anything less radical.

[Superfluous Man]

He's a conventional progressive neocon. I can't think of anything less radical.

Yeah, I noticed that too.

In JK's world of reasonable discourse, Ron Paul is the watered-down version of Trump, for those who can't handle Trump's radical libertarianism.

[afwjam]

Trump cucks:
Does trump request that you blow him? Or do you just go down on him out of respect and affection?

[Superfluous Man]

Trump cucks:
Does trump request that you blow him? Or do you just go down on him out of respect and affection?

+rep

[JK/SEA]

I assume you meant to add the word "not."

At least you were honest enough to say "former."



It's the site mission. As of now, the main agenda of this website is obstructing Trump's agenda. All of the liberal Trump supporting snowflakes who keep trolling here aren't helping, former Ron Paul supporters or not.


so what did you do in the great 'R3VOLUTION' bubba?....

[JK/SEA]

Trump cucks:
Does trump request that you blow him? Or do you just go down on him out of respect and affection?

same question surfer boy...what did you do in the Ron Paul R3VOLUTION besides wish for a blow job from your betters?...

[JK/SEA]

Yeah, I noticed that too.

In JK's world of reasonable discourse, Ron Paul is the watered-down version of Trump, for those who can't handle Trump's radical libertarianism.

wrong.

but then i don't expect anything intelligent coming out of your pie hole...

[afwjam]

same question surfer boy...what did you do in the Ron Paul R3VOLUTION besides wish for a blow job from your betters?...

Yes I do surf. I won my county for Paul? Does that count? I got over 30 people to the polls in my presinct alone and we had the Romney guys totally out numbered. I worked as one of the main campaign liaison on the big island.

Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQJHAFHxNCU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjEzLXWDKlM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJXwGWAGXmI

I encouraged Mr. Feshamon and made those videos for him.

Do you use the constitution to wipe your face off when your done?

Should I tell you what I did when I lived in Texas for the 2007 run? I did a lot more then...

[Superfluous Man]

so what did you do in the great 'R3VOLUTION' bubba?....

I was very active, including being a state convention delegate twice.

I also didn't come here and complain about how mean conservatives wanted to cut my Social Security. It's no surprise that Trump is more up your alley.

[Superfluous Man]

wrong.

but then i don't expect anything intelligent coming out of your pie hole...

You're the one who chose the words you used.

[JK/SEA]

Yes I do surf. I won my county for Paul? Does that count? I got over 30 people to the polls in my presinct alone and we had the Romney guys totally out numbered. I worked as one of the main campaign liaison on the big island.

Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQJHAFHxNCU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjEzLXWDKlM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJXwGWAGXmI

I encouraged Mr. Feshamon and made those videos for him.

Do you use the constitution to wipe your face off when your done?

Should I tell you what I did when I lived in Texas for the 2007 run? I did a lot more then...


so you're just butthurt because Ron Paul won't run again...

for myself, i have always been pragmatic about politicians, and have seen enough to know when the writing is on the wall..

if you change your name to Paul Ronald, and run for prez, i'll donate.

[JK/SEA]

I was very active, including being a state convention delegate twice.

I also didn't come here and complain about how mean conservatives wanted to cut my Social Security. It's no surprise that Trump is more up your alley.

no, you just come here to complain about Trump advocating for jobs, tax cuts, sovreignty, and defense...makes you a lib...

[afwjam]

so you're just butthurt because Ron Paul won't run again...

for myself, i have always been pragmatic about politicians, and have seen enough to know when the writing is on the wall..

if you change your name to Paul Ronald, and run for prez, i'll donate.


No. I worked on Rand Paul's campaign like I did his fathers before and now I am working to support his obama care bill and the audit the fed legislation. The same campaign workers from Rons Campaign came to me for Rand and I helped set up the meetings yet again. I also coordinate locally with the supporters of my rep Tulsi Gubbard, trying desperately to keep the anti-war coalition alive while the democrats here seem to be turning into cold warriors.

What have you done?

[JK/SEA]

No. I worked on Rand Paul's campaign like I did his fathers before and now I am working to support his obama care bill and the audit the fed legislation. The same campaign workers from Rons Campaign came to me for Rand and I helped set up the meetings yet again. I also coordinate locally with the supporters of my rep Tulsi Gubbard, trying desperately to keep the anti-war coalition alive while the democrats here seem to be turning into cold warriors.

What have you done?

i've been recovering from congestive heart failure.

i'm currently an elected PCO. I ran to try and put myself in position to becoming a State Delegate for Rand, and was a Delegate for Ron in 2007..

having this heart issue at 65 has taken its toll physically, and the energy it takes to be as active as i once was is almost impossible, but i have money, and have donated to worthy liberty candidates across the country.

Trump is still better than hillary, but apparently you can't agree with that...so be it.

[afwjam]

i've been recovering from congestive heart failure.

Trump is still better than hillary, but apparently you can't agree with that...so be it.


I'm sorry to hear about your health. Eat less sugar, including carbs. You are to young.

I did not say that, as far as I can tell he is about the same, a neocon.
When he signs Obamacare repeal, tax and spending cuts, stops the war on drugs and the wars overseas. Then maybe I will rethink my position on him. I'm glad I'm not going to be walled into that hell hole with the rest of you guys as well.

[Superfluous Man]

no, you just come here to complain about Trump advocating for jobs, tax cuts, sovreignty, and defense...makes you a lib...

Either you have totally changed your views since being a Ron Paul supporter, or you never really got it.

[afwjam]

Either you have totally changed your views since being a Ron Paul supporter, or you never really got it.

Never really got it.

[CPUd]

He seemed less angry when the Seahawks were winning.

[Wooden Indian]

He's what we have now and even though I was a never Trumper /LP Voter, I'll admit he's better than Hilary would likely have been. Probably will be a bit better than Obama in some areas, sure. I can buy into that.

But just because a punch to the nuts may be better than a kick to the nuts, doesn't mean I'll be lining up for either and I certainly won't go around bragging about my choice to get punched in the nuts.

That's my beef with Trumpers. Doubling down on your allegiance to that Liberal Douchebag, bragging about it incessantly, accusing those that stood strong with their convictions of being secret Democrats, refusing to hold him to the same level of scrutiny... it's embarrassing, friends.


I was mad at y'all, for a while.... but now, I just cringe and I hate when I get embarassed for others. Very uncomfortable feeling. LOL

So, maybe just chill on the perceived worship a tad. Talk about what he has done to actually improve Liberty. Win me over. Act like a man.

My .02

[H. E. Panqui]

...i've been around 'politics' a long time in my state...i've met quite a few people...i still remember the sickening feeling i had when i found that only about 50% of the people who supported ron paul were truly decent, knowledgeable folks [at the state 08 and 12 conventions anyway]...sadly, about 50% of the ron paul supporters were just plain meat-heads...[as opposed to the rest of the republican candidates whose supporters were 100% meat-heads] ;)...word...

[afwjam]

Seems some of the old guard is still here... maybe we can take this forum back? For Liberty!

[JK/SEA]

Never really got it.


got what?...

you think i just supported Ron for shits and giggles?


i might be a fool, but i'm not a complete fool like some of you head in the sand purists...

like i said, change your name to Paul Ronald, run for prez, and i'll send you a check.

[JK/SEA]

Seems some of the old guard is still here... maybe we can take this forum back? For Liberty!

wow...setting your sights a little high are you?....

this might be a good place to bash people for you, but my suggestion is to keep your ear to the ground and keep your powder dry until another Ron Paul comes along....any idea when that might happen?

[JK/SEA]

...i've been around 'politics' a long time in my state...i've met quite a few people...i still remember the sickening feeling i had when i found that only about 50% of the people who supported ron paul were truly decent, knowledgeable folks [at the state 08 and 12 conventions anyway]...sadly, about 50% of the ron paul supporters were just plain meat-heads...[as opposed to the rest of the republican candidates whose supporters were 100% meat-heads] ;)...word...


look up Lew Moore and tell me what you find.

[afwjam]

wow...setting your sights a little high are you?....

this might be a good place to bash people for you, but my suggestion is to keep your ear to the ground and keep your powder dry until another Ron Paul comes along....any idea when that might happen?

I think bashing hypocrites is a valuable use of time and helps keep the record straight for Liberty.

[JK/SEA]

He's what we have now and even though I was a never Trumper /LP Voter, I'll admit he's better than Hilary would likely have been. Probably will be a bit better than Obama in some areas, sure. I can buy into that.

But just because a punch to the nuts may be better than a kick to the nuts, doesn't mean I'll be lining up for either and I certainly won't go around bragging about my choice to get punched in the nuts.

That's my beef with Trumpers. Doubling down on your allegiance to that Liberal Douchebag, bragging about it incessantly, accusing those that stood strong with their convictions of being secret Democrats, refusing to hold him to the same level of scrutiny... it's embarrassing, friends.


I was mad at y'all, for a while.... but now, I just cringe and I hate when I get embarassed for others. Very uncomfortable feeling. LOL

So, maybe just chill on the perceived worship a tad. Talk about what he has done to actually improve Liberty. Win me over. Act like a man.

My .02

you take issue with tax cuts, jobs, and immigration?...

[JK/SEA]

I think bashing hypocrites is a valuable use of time and helps keep the record straight for Liberty.


foolish talk.

wisdom comes with age. Someday you'll get there....maybe.

[Ender]

He's what we have now and even though I was a never Trumper /LP Voter, I'll admit he's better than Hilary would likely have been. Probably will be a bit better than Obama in some areas, sure. I can buy into that.

But just because a punch to the nuts may be better than a kick to the nuts, doesn't mean I'll be lining up for either and I certainly won't go around bragging about my choice to get punched in the nuts.

That's my beef with Trumpers. Doubling down on your allegiance to that Liberal Douchebag, bragging about it incessantly, accusing those that stood strong with their convictions of being secret Democrats, refusing to hold him to the same level of scrutiny... it's embarrassing, friends.


I was mad at y'all, for a while.... but now, I just cringe and I hate when I get embarassed for others. Very uncomfortable feeling. LOL

So, maybe just chill on the perceived worship a tad. Talk about what he has done to actually improve Liberty. Win me over. Act like a man.

My .02

Well, there ya go- pretty much my POV.

[afwjam]

foolish talk.

wisdom comes with age. Someday you'll get there....maybe.

Hopefully not the way you did, your wisdom seems hypocritical to the max. I'll stay young and principled thank you. By the way stop eating sugar, it's killing you.

[nikcers]

Why is it that some people see boogeyman white people around every corner, while ignoring things like this?

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/31322/
http://nypost.com/2017/02/23/food-cart-offers-free-food-only-for-black-people/
I don't see boogey white men on every corner, I just am treated like one because society conditions people to think it. Its the same reason why society conditions people to assume black people are guilty, they have done tests with even black cops and they will always shoot first before asking questions if the person is black. My mom gave me this name because she would get upset and call me racist names, and its because I come from racist people. I hate when people act like racism doesn't exist, its something society tries to program into everyone, and only some people get through the conditioning without being a little bit racist.

[tod evans]

I don't see boogey white men on every corner, I just am treated like one because society conditions people to think it. Its the same reason why society conditions people to assume black people are guilty, they have done tests with even black cops and they will always shoot first before asking questions if the person is black. My mom gave me this name because she would get upset and call me racist names, and its because I come from racist people. I hate when people act like racism doesn't exist, its something society tries to program into everyone, and only some people get through the conditioning without being a little bit racist.

Preoccupied much?

In today's world that's probably considered "normal".........

I see such behavior as neurotic.

[nikcers]

Preoccupied much?

In today's world that's probably considered "normal".........

I see such behavior as neurotic. no I have white people come up to me all the time and assume I am part of the club. After Trump became president I had a bunch of people act like its okay to be open about it and started saying a bunch of racist stuff at work. Its not like I have a shaved head either, I am just a normal looking white dude.

[Ender]

I don't see boogey white men on every corner, I just am treated like one because society conditions people to think it. Its the same reason why society conditions people to assume black people are guilty, they have done tests with even black cops and they will always shoot first before asking questions if the person is black. My mom gave me this name because she would get upset and call me racist names, and its because I come from racist people. I hate when people act like racism doesn't exist, its something society tries to program into everyone, and only some people get through the conditioning without being a little bit racist.

I was never raised with racism- never understood it- still don't. I always loved having a diversity of friends and miss being around it.

[nikcers]

I was never raised with racism- never understood it- still don't. I always loved having a diversity of friends and miss being around it.
I always had all types of different friends, but the best way I can explain it, is the people that I know who tend to think this way get a sense of comradery like they belong, this is the part that I think keeps most people in the club. Some of them that I knew treated eachother and called each other brother, just like some other people I know, that's the thing, its not something that is really a white person thing, its a people thing, and people suck.

[JK/SEA]

Hopefully not the way you did, your wisdom seems hypocritical to the max. I'll stay young and principled thank you. By the way stop eating sugar, it's killing you.

sugar is not what caused my heart failure. A combination of dealing with A-FIB and too much salt for 30 years.

gaining wisdom takes time. Its like a child wanting to drive but can't because you have to grow up first. Your legs can't reach the pedals.

lifes lessons are similar. In my case, it took Ron Paul to wake me up.

This may sound odd to you, but some people can actually walk and chew gum at the same time, conversley, politics is ever changing, and if you think you're principled now, then i submit in 10-20 years you will not feel the same about things....hell, even Ron makes mistakes.

[TheCount]

tax cuts

20% import tariff?


jobs

15 thousand ICE agents?


immigration

By what method? Eminent domain across the entire border to establish a wall? Nationalizing local law enforcement to perform federal duties?

[JK/SEA]

20% import tariff?



15 thousand ICE agents?



By what method? Eminent domain across the entire border to establish a wall? Nationalizing local law enforcement to perform federal duties?

quite the fantasy ya got there....

very hysterical, but we all know your comments are bullshit...

[TheCount]

quite the fantasy ya got there....

Please tell me which of those is a fantasy.

[JK/SEA]

Please tell me which of those is a fantasy.


all of them.

[TheCount]

all of them.

20% import tax:
http://www.businessinsider.com/sean-spicer-trump-considering-20-tax-on-mexican-imports-2017-1

10k ICE:
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/02/20/dhs-authorizes-hiring-10k-immigration-officers/

5k CBP:
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/02/21/fact-sheet-executive-order-border-security-and-immigration-enforcement-improvements

Border wall eminent domain:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cant-build-a-border-wall-without-the-real-estate-1487290376

300+ eminent domain cases in Texas alone for previous (smaller) border fence:
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/23/516895052/landowners-likely-to-bring-more-lawsuits-as-trump-moves-on-border-wall
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jkuxoIUetKQ_enRoO2cnww7rfs6nivd2LLAsxpUyHB0/edit#gid=1466917367

Nationalizing local law enforcement:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/25/presidential-executive-order-enhancing-public-safety-interior-united


Sec. 8. Federal-State Agreements. It is the policy of the executive branch to empower State and local law enforcement agencies across the country to perform the functions of an immigration officer in the interior of the United States to the maximum extent permitted by law.

(a) In furtherance of this policy, the Secretary shall immediately take appropriate action to engage with the Governors of the States, as well as local officials, for the purpose of preparing to enter into agreements under section 287(g) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1357(g)).

(b) To the extent permitted by law and with the consent of State or local officials, as appropriate, the Secretary shall take appropriate action, through agreements under section 287(g) of the INA, or otherwise, to authorize State and local law enforcement officials, as the Secretary determines are qualified and appropriate, to perform the functions of immigration officers in relation to the investigation, apprehension, or detention of aliens in the United States under the direction and the supervision of the Secretary. Such authorization shall be in addition to, rather than in place of, Federal performance of these duties.

(c) To the extent permitted by law, the Secretary may structure each agreement under section 287(g) of the INA in a manner that provides the most effective model for enforcing Federal immigration laws for that jurisdiction.

[JK/SEA]

20% import tax:
http://www.businessinsider.com/sean-spicer-trump-considering-20-tax-on-mexican-imports-2017-1

10k ICE:
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/02/20/dhs-authorizes-hiring-10k-immigration-officers/

5k CBP:
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/02/21/fact-sheet-executive-order-border-security-and-immigration-enforcement-improvements

Border wall eminent domain:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cant-build-a-border-wall-without-the-real-estate-1487290376

300+ eminent domain cases in Texas alone for previous (smaller) border fence:
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/23/516895052/landowners-likely-to-bring-more-lawsuits-as-trump-moves-on-border-wall
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jkuxoIUetKQ_enRoO2cnww7rfs6nivd2LLAsxpUyHB0/edit#gid=1466917367

Nationalizing local law enforcement:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/25/presidential-executive-order-enhancing-public-safety-interior-united

so we all know you're an open borders guy...

fail.

[Origanalist]

I was never raised with racism- never understood it- still don't. I always loved having a diversity of friends and miss being around it.

I never encountered racism until they started busing kids up from the Central District and elsewhere, Then I got plenty of it. In spades.

[Origanalist]

so we all know you're an open borders guy...

fail.

I fail to see the relevance.

[Ender]

I fail to see the relevance.

There isn't any.

[JK/SEA]

I fail to see the relevance.

ok, so you didn't read his talking points

they all refer to open borders/refugee/immigrants...and the tactics to stop it.

[Origanalist]

you take issue with tax cuts, jobs, and immigration?...

Jobs? What jobs? Has there been a increase in the number of people employed? We have yet to see how many tariffs there are to offset any tax cuts he manages to promote enough to get passed.

Truthfully it's all just a waiting game at this point. Nothing of substance has even happened yet, all we have to go on is his political appointments.

[JK/SEA]

There isn't any.


i thought you could read?

[Origanalist]

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[Origanalist]

ok, so you didn't read his talking points

they all refer to open borders/refugee/immigrants...and the tactics to stop it.

I see a lot of tactics I disagree with. I'm just not afraid of the beaners enough to grant the government that much more power.

[tod evans]

I see a lot of tactics I disagree with. I'm just not afraid of the beaners enough to grant the government that much more power.

Amen!

The goal is supposed to be shrinking government...

[JK/SEA]

I see a lot of tactics I disagree with. I'm just not afraid of the beaners enough to grant the government that much more power.

its not really fear is it?..

its something a lot deeper than that.


the right to defend your home comes to mind. Its just a basic instinct.

on the upside, it really doesn't matter if say, your teen daughter gets raped and murdered by anyone...guilty is guilty. For example.

[JK/SEA]

Amen!

The goal is supposed to be shrinking government...


hard to do when 'the Government' pays out billions to illegals....

[nikcers]

I see a lot of tactics I disagree with. I'm just not afraid of the beaners enough to grant the government that much more power. The biggest thing I disagree with are the people that are here that are just downright anti American. I went to school with a lot of people who had this kind of attitude. I remember getting in fight with a kid just because he said it, he then got every one of his Hispanic friends to try to join in the fight. I don't consider myself racist but I hate people who hate America.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb3i1dejBsI

[afwjam]

hard to do when 'the Government' pays out billions to illegals....

So stop that and don't add to the government elsewhere.

[Origanalist]

The biggest thing I disagree with are the people that are here that are just downright anti American. I went to school with a lot of people who had this kind of attitude. I remember getting in fight with a kid just because he said it, he then got every one of his Hispanic friends to try to join in the fight. I don't consider myself racist but I hate people who hate America.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb3i1dejBsI

The problem is that shit is encouraged by the lefties running the schools.

[nikcers]

its not really fear is it?..

its something a lot deeper than that.


the right to defend your home comes to mind. Its just a basic instinct.

on the upside, it really doesn't matter if say, your teen daughter gets raped and murdered by anyone...guilty is guilty. For example. It is definitely- do you think people passed on their genes by not being paranoid of the sound coming from the Bush that sounds like a snake or lighting it on fire and burning down everything that you perceive a threat?

[Origanalist]

its not really fear is it?..

its something a lot deeper than that.


the right to defend your home comes to mind. Its just a basic instinct.

on the upside, it really doesn't matter if say, your teen daughter gets raped and murdered by anyone...guilty is guilty. For example.

Defend your home. (I know you do)

The thing about the teenage daughter pretty much means nothing as far as I can tell. Yes, guilty is guilty.

[tod evans]

hard to do when 'the Government' pays out billions to illegals....

Government largess should be the first thing to go!

All of it.

Not just for migrants either.

[JK/SEA]

So stop that and don't add to the government elsewhere.

which brings us full circle. Tighten up the borders, and keep deporting. This takes money, but its short term.

[Origanalist]

which brings us full circle. Tighten up the borders, and keep deporting. This takes money, but its short term.

Nothing that involves enlarging or enabling government is short term. It just doesn't happen. It's only short term when you manage to restrain it.

[tod evans]

which brings us full circle. Tighten up the borders, and keep deporting. This takes money, but its short term.

By arming civilians and not prosecuting them for regulating their land, NOT by using federal manpower.

[afwjam]

Clearly he never got The message of Liberty.

[JK/SEA]

By arming civilians and not prosecuting them for regulating their land, NOT by using federal manpower.


ive been arguing the wrong point.

i'm backing up.

the President has Constitutional authority to do what he is doing via National Security. Thats actually his number one duty.

[JK/SEA]

Clearly he never got The message of Liberty.

tell that to the founders.

[afwjam]

tell that to the founders.

They weren't scared.

[tod evans]

ive been arguing the wrong point.

i'm backing up.

the President has Constitutional authority to do what he is doing via National Security. Thats actually his number one duty.

A well regulated militia.

[JK/SEA]

They weren't scared.

2nd Amendment.

[afwjam]

2nd Amendment.

Which is to protect from governments, I should have said they weren't scared of individuals and their Liberty like you seem to be.

[nikcers]

The problem is that $#@! is encouraged by the lefties running the schools. I think the lefties that tolerate hate have an agenda and that honest ones don't do it. The people that come here a lot of times get a lot of shit from people from Mexico, I suspect that she said that to make him think she was like minded. I have seen that the Mexicans that see Hispanic Americans embrace western culture get shunned and I think that feeds this mentality. Between that and Americans that shun Hispanics for not embracing Western culture they sort of don't know what they are supposed to do.

[Origanalist]

I think the lefties that tolerate hate have an agenda and that honest ones don't do it. The people that come here a lot of times get a lot of shit from people from Mexico, I suspect that she said that to make him think she was like minded. I have seen that the Mexicans that see Hispanic Americans embrace western culture get shunned and I think that feeds this mentality. Between that and Americans that shun Hispanics for not embracing Western culture they sort of don't know what they are supposed to do.

Blacks get shunned for embracing western culture also. Anyone who doesn't is pounced upon by the lefties teaching division in the schools.

[TheCount]

The thing about the teenage daughter pretty much means nothing as far as I can tell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnaVoTfkqa8

[Origanalist]

I think the lefties that tolerate hate have an agenda and that honest ones don't do it. The people that come here a lot of times get a lot of shit from people from Mexico, I suspect that she said that to make him think she was like minded. I have seen that the Mexicans that see Hispanic Americans embrace western culture get shunned and I think that feeds this mentality. Between that and Americans that shun Hispanics for not embracing Western culture they sort of don't know what they are supposed to do.

"Honest lefties:", and righties, don't get much airtime these days.

[Ender]

By arming civilians and not prosecuting them for regulating their land, NOT by using federal manpower.

Exactly.

Get .gov out of everyone's lives and no entitlements. Get it out of education, medicine, business, welfare, etc. etc. etc.

AND- bring the troops home and stop meddling in the affairs of other countries.

[nikcers]

Blacks get shunned for embracing western culture also. Anyone who doesn't is pounced upon by the lefties teaching division in the schools. The forced tolerance breaks down your ability to think for yourself- its a two-fer. This is the purist root of the alt right movement. The culture shock as people watched the left slowly erode American culture by using political correctness. It would be a great movement if it was honest in its intentions, if they weren't trying to push a foreign policy that makes other countries hate our culture. It would be a great movement if blowback wasn't real.

[MallsRGood]

Dude, no one is trying to attach themselves to the liberty movement. The so-called liberty movement, at least in this forum, sold its soul by supporting Johnson/Weld. How embarrassing.

LMFAO

Yea, it was three people who cast a protest vote for the LP who fucked things up...

Get a fucking grip.

[Origanalist]

Exactly.

Get .gov out of everyone's lives and no entitlements. Get it out of education, medicine, business, welfare, etc. etc. etc.

AND- bring the troops home and stop meddling in the affairs of other countries.

You must be one of those ineffective purists.

[Ender]

You must be one of those ineffective purists.

Yeah, I guess so-especially when I worked to turn the whole young adult population in my locale into Ron Paul lovers- worked but the MSM never let anyone know.

[afwjam]

Yeah, I guess so-especially when I worked to turn the whole young adult population in my locale into Ron Paul lovers- worked but the MSM never let anyone know.

Yeah but they talk about trump, so he must be for Liberty like Ron Paul.

[Ender]

Yeah but they talk about trump, so he must be for Liberty like Ron Paul.

Especially when Trump bans them. ;)

[Wooden Indian]

you take issue with tax cuts, jobs, and immigration?...

What tax cuts am I seeing?

What private sector jobs does the government create?

Why would I take issue with immigration?

[RonPaulMall]

So are you saying alt-right members don't generally support using government force to exclude people from America based on religion, race, IQ, ideology or any of that kind of thing?


Under a libertarian regime, most of those people would have been excluded via private property and freedom of association. The Alt-Right favors harnessing the power of government to reverse the current demographics which are themselves a result of government intervention.

From a practical standpoint, this strikes me as far more realistic than waiting for the day America suddenly turns in to libertarian paradise. The former at least has a possibility of happening. The latter amounts to nothing more than shouting at a cloud while you watch your nation destroyed.

[nikcers]

Under a libertarian regime, most of those people would have been excluded via private property and freedom of association. The Alt-Right favors harnessing the power of government to reverse the current demographics which are themselves a result of government intervention.

From a practical standpoint, this strikes me as far more realistic than waiting for the day America suddenly turns in to libertarian paradise. The former at least has a possibility of happening. The latter amounts to nothing more than shouting at a cloud while you watch your nation destroyed.

If its inevitable, if it's a predetermined outcome, someone's gonna light Rome on fire -so might as well be you?

[undergroundrr]

From a practical standpoint, this strikes me as far more realistic than waiting for the day America suddenly turns in to libertarian paradise.

Consider the practical outcome in time though. Any government means used to segregate for you will be used next time the pendulum swings to a social democrat administration to force integration right back in your face. Before you know it, Afro-Mexican trannies will be knocking on your front door to use your toilet because it's now been deemed a public facility.

Fighting for property rights and protecting your own property are your only practical means to keep away those who you find undesirable.

[TheCount]

Under a libertarian regime, most of those people would have been excluded via private property and freedom of association. The Alt-Right favors harnessing the power of government to reverse the current demographics which are themselves a result of government intervention.

I find it interesting that multiple people on this forum seem to have picked up this talking point at the same time.

Thinking that you know better than the free market, or that you can use government power to make the free market do the 'correct' thing that it 'should have been doing all along' is fundamentally a leftist idea. Central planning is central planning, even if you mumble 'free market free market free market' under your breath while doing it.


You view the government as encouraging immigration, but one could just as easily make the argument that it has been discouraging it instead. How do you know that your central planning is the 'correct' central planning?


Also, if your government is going to 'do the thing that the free market itself would do anyway if we let it,' wouldn't it be far less expensive, more effective, and overall more efficient to just let the free market do it?