Who Ya Gonna Trust? New Poll People Choose Media over Trump

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/22/donald-trump-is-losing-his-war-with-the-media/?utm_term=.521bff1ab3a6

He has called the media "the enemy of the people". It is supposed to provide a check against government. But Trump always feels the need to be attacking somebody.


Donald Trump is losing his war with the media

It's pretty clear what President Trump is doing by going after the media. He sees someone who is tough on him, with a lower approval rating, and he sets up a contrast. It's like making yourself look taller by standing next to a short person.

“You have a lower approval rate than Congress,” he needled reporters at last week's news conference, making clear he had done the math.

Except maybe it's not really working.

A new poll from Quinnipiac University suggests that while people may be broadly unhappy with the mainstream media, they still think it's more credible than Trump. The president regularly accuses the press of “fake news,” but people see more “fake news” coming out of his own mouth.

The poll asked who registered voters “trust more to tell you the truth about important issues.” A majority — 52 percent — picked the media. Just 37 percent picked Trump.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2017/02/Capture11.png&w=1484

The poll did find that registered voters by a narrow margin think the media has treated Trump unfairly, with 50 percent saying they disapproved of the coverage of Trump and 45 percent approving. But voters are even more critical of Trump's treatment of the media, with 61 percent disapproving and 35 percent approving.

Even 23 percent of Republicans say Trump is mistreating the media, and independents disapprove 59-35.

The poll was conducted Feb. 16 through 21 — beginning the day Trump jousted with the media at a news conference Thursday and continuing through the weekend. Trump called the media “the enemy of the American people” in a tweet Feb. 17, drawing widespread condemnation from journalists and defenders of the free press. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) even compared Trump's tactic to what dictators do to undermine it.

[Zippyjuan]

His own popularity ratings (just out today):

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/320670-q-poll-trump-approval-hits-new-low


President Trump's approval rating has slipped to 38 percent, a new national poll finds.

The Quinnipiac University survey released on Wednesday says that only 38 percent of Americans approve of Trump's job performance, while 55 percent disapprove of the commander in chief.

According to Quinnipiac, the 17-point difference in Trump's approval rating is the worst he's fared in a poll since taking office in January.

An earlier survey from the pollster this month registered Trump with 42 percent approval and 51 percent disapproval.

“President Trump’s popularity is sinking like a rock," Tim Malloy, the assistant director of the poll, said in a statement announcing the findings.

"He gets slammed on honesty, empathy, level headedness and the ability to unite. And two of his strong points, leadership and intelligence, are sinking to new lows. This is a terrible survey one month in.”

Polls of Trump's approval rating have shown a wide disparity, according to data tracked by RealClearPolitics. Several others polls put the president's approval rating in the mid-40s, with the conservative-leaning Rasmussen putting his approval rating as high as 51 percent.

Not surprisingly, the Quinnipiac poll found a strong partisan divide in job approval ratings. An 83 percent majority of Republicans approve of the president, while 91 percent of Democrats disapprove of his job performance.

[69360]

Where is the option for neither?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

How do you compare an actual person to an abstract entity like "media?" Shouldn't the comparison be apples to apples? Shouldn't you compare two people or two institutions?

Wouldn't this be like saying:

Who do you trust more: Cesar Chavez or big business?

Who do you trust more: Sam Walton or unions?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

One moderator already moved two Zip threads to The Vent forum. I suggest this one be moved for the same reason.

[Zippyjuan]

Where is the option for neither?

That in in the grey section.

[spudea]

no the enemy of the people is FAKE NEWS media. Just like your post is fake news by leaving that part of the quote out.

Ah yes Quinnipiac polls.... had clinton to win nationally by +6, clinton to win florida, north carolina, and pennsylvania. Failing pile of garbage pollster.

[phill4paul]

Thus proving the majority of Americans are dumb-asses. So what else is new? 10% is the best the liberty movement could hope for.

[openfire]

Who am I gonna trust? Definitely not any polls published by WaPo or NYT:

As always, the skew can be found in the methodology:



PARTY IDENTIFICATION QUESTION WORDING
-
Generally speaking, do you consider yourself a
Republican, a Democrat, an Independent, or what?
REGISTERED VOTERS
PARTY IDENTIFICATION
Republican 25%
Democrat 34
Independent 33
Other/DK/NA 8

https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us02222017_demos_Urj52hkb.pdf/

[Zippyjuan]

Who am I gonna trust? Definitely not any polls published by WaPo or NYT:

As always, the skew can be found in the methodology:

https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us02222017_demos_Urj52hkb.pdf/

Samples are never the exact same as the population at large in any survey. Thus they "weight" the results- distributing them the same as the population. Reading further down in your link:


This survey uses statistical weighting procedures to account for deviations in the survey
sample from known population characteristics, which helps correct for differential survey
participation and random variation in samples. The overall adult sample is weighted to
recent Census data using a sample balancing procedure to match the demographic makeup of
the population by region, gender, age, education and race. Margins of sampling error for
this survey are not adjusted for design effect.

[openfire]

Samples are never the exact same as the population at large. Thus they "weight" the results- distributing them the same as the population. Reading further down in your link:

Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Just like the fake polls you and your colleague CPUd posted here every day during the election. Got it.

[spudea]

Samples are never the exact same as the population at large in any survey. Thus they "weight" the results- distributing them the same as the population. Reading further down in your link:

demographics do not include party identification, openfire is correct

[angelatc]

Same people who predicted a Hillary landslide

[Zippyjuan]

Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Just like the fake polls you and your colleague CPUd posted here every day during the election. Got it.

What polls do you trust?

[angelatc]

Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Just like the fake polls you and your colleague CPUd posted here every day during the election. Got it.

That oughta help the Libertarians force the committee to change the criteria. The polls are obviously not very accurate.

[LifeLibertyPursuit]

WaPo...........
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http://www.alternet.org/media/owner-washington-post-doing-business-cia-while-keeping-his-readers-dark

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[openfire]

What polls do you trust?

This one:

Poll: Just 6 Percent of People Say They Trust the Media

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/04/18/poll-just-6-percent-people-say-trust-media/

[openfire]

http://keknews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/lastest-poll-tracker-538.jpg

[openfire]

"I could go on and on and on"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOghpu6GLcU

[dannno]

Ah yes Quinnipiac polls.... had clinton to win nationally by +6, clinton to win florida, north carolina, and pennsylvania. Failing pile of garbage pollster.

But muh polls!

[AngryCanadian]

The same polls zippy which showed Hillary winning? it seems all these news media outlet still haven't learned NOTHING from 2016.

[AngryCanadian]

WaPo...........
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http://www.alternet.org/media/owner-washington-post-doing-business-cia-while-keeping-his-readers-dark

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According to the Washington Post RUSSIANS ARE COMING RUSSIANS ARE COMING! ZOMG! lol lol

[Zippyjuan]

This one:

Poll: Just 6 Percent of People Say They Trust the Media

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/04/18/poll-just-6-percent-people-say-trust-media/

But that uses the same methods (though they limit themselves to landlines). It must be a fake poll too.


As is done routinely in surveys, results were weighted, or adjusted, to ensure that responses accurately reflect the population’s makeup by factors such as age, sex, education, region and race. In addition, the weighting took into account patterns of phone use - landline only, cellphone only and both - by region

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/18/how-the-media-insight-project-poll-was-conducted/

https://www.americanpressinstitute.org/publications/reports/survey-research/appendix-trust-by-topic-and-source/

No surprise that Breitbart headline is misleading. They left off "great deal of confidence" in media with their 6% figure. Implies that only six percent have "any" trust in media.


Public confidence in the press by many measures is low. In this survey, for instance, 6 percent of people say they have a great deal of confidence in the press, 52 percent say they have only some confidence, and 41 percent say they hardly any confidence. These findings are similar to the results of other recent studies. For example, a September 2015 Gallup survey found 7 percent of Americans have a great deal of trust and confidence in the mass media, 33 percent have a fair amount, and 60 percent have either not very much or none at all.

This survey, however, does not delve deeply into the issue of confidence; nor does it analyze its trends over time. Our goal is to try to understand what makes people trust, rely, and turn to news sources and to understand what concrete steps news organizations can take to increase that trust.

That comes out to 58% having at least "some" confidence in media.
https://www.americanpressinstitute.org/publications/reports/survey-research/lose-trust/

[AngryCanadian]

What polls do you trust?

HAHAH you actually trust polls (https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-02-17/melania-trump-s-slovenia-would-pick-russian-over-u-s-protection)?

[Zippyjuan]

The same polls zippy which showed Hillary winning? it seems all these news media outlet still haven't learned NOTHING from 2016.

She did win the popular vote as they predicted. They were incorrect on the Electoral College results.

[AngryCanadian]

But that uses the same methods (though they limit themselves to landlines). It must be a fake poll too.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/18/how-the-media-insight-project-poll-was-conducted/

https://www.americanpressinstitute.org/publications/reports/survey-research/appendix-trust-by-topic-and-source/

No surprise that Breitbart headline is misleading. They left off "great deal of confidence" in media with their 6% figure. Implies that only six percent have "any" trust in media.



That comes out to 58% having at least "some" confidence in media.
https://www.americanpressinstitute.org/publications/reports/survey-research/lose-trust/


"a September 2015 Gallup "

CNN's poll.

[donnay]

Fake news and fake polls.

[AngryCanadian]

She did win the popular vote as they predicted. They were incorrect on the Electoral College results.

Actually Liberal. They polled that Hillary would win both.

[AngryCanadian]

But to see you cite the Washington post after their fake news story of Russians hacking the power gird? your making urself look stupid.

[Zippyjuan]

CNN's poll.

American Press Institute poll- not CNN. As quoted at Breitbart.

[timosman]

She did win the popular vote as they predicted. They were incorrect on the Electoral College results.

Do you have any new material or you will continue rehashing the old talking points?

[AngryCanadian]

Trust in Media all time low. (https://www.ft.com/content/fa332f58-d9bf-11e6-944b-e7eb37a6aa8e)


The Edelman Trust Barometer. Is better then gallpoll

[AngryCanadian]

American Press Institute poll- not CNN. As quoted at Breitbart.

Not from one of your posts.


Public confidence in the press by many measures is low. In this survey, for instance, 6 percent of people say they have a great deal of confidence in the press, 52 percent say they have only some confidence, and 41 percent say they hardly any confidence. These findings are similar to the results of other recent studies. For example, a September 2015 Gallup survey found 7 percent of Americans have a great deal of trust and confidence in the mass media, 33 percent have a fair amount, and 60 percent have either not very much or none at all.

[AngryCanadian]

American Press Institute poll- not CNN. As quoted at Breitbart.

American Press Institute is also a liberal Institute.

[Zippyjuan]

Not from one of your posts.

That paragraph is from the report from the American Press Institute. All the numbers except that one line are from their poll and was the one cited by Breitbart.


Public confidence in the press by many measures is low. In this survey, for instance, 6 percent of people say they have a great deal of confidence in the press, 52 percent say they have only some confidence, and 41 percent say they hardly any confidence.

[Zippyjuan]

American Press Institute is also a liberal Institute.

Is that why Breitbart chose to cite them?

[Dr.3D]

Well, what do you expect the media to say?

[timosman]

Is that why Breitbart chose to cite them?

What would make you realize you are losing?

[AngryCanadian]

Well, what do you expect the media to say?

Remember kids its the media to control what we think. Not the presidents job or our job. The media is always right.

[timosman]

Remember kids its the media to control what we think. Not the presidents job or our job. The media is always right.

The lines on our teleprompters contain the truth!:cool:

[seapilot]

She did win the popular vote as they predicted. They were incorrect on the Electoral College results.

Does that mean there was no Russian Hacking going on? Think they would have gave Trump the popular vote too.

[Zippyjuan]

Trust in Media all time low. (https://www.ft.com/content/fa332f58-d9bf-11e6-944b-e7eb37a6aa8e)


The Edelman Trust Barometer. Is better then gallpoll

He shows Trust in Media at 43% global average (47% for the US- seventh highest of those surveyed- no change from year before, Russia one of the worst at 31% and down seven points) and trust in Government at 41% (also at 47% in US) Still ten points higher than Trump's approval.

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/2017trustbarometerglobalreportfinalwotalktrack-170115180740/95/2017-edelman-trust-barometer-global-results-12-1024.jpg?cb=1485020243

[seapilot]

Digging in the WAcompost again.

http://img.webmd.com/dtmcms/live/webmd/consumer_assets/site_images/articles/health_tools/mistakes_pet_owners_make_slideshow/getty_rm_photo_of_dog_eating_trash.jpg

[69360]

The world is so fucked up lately, I don't believe anyone or anything that I haven't personally seen anymore. Everything is lies these days.

[brushfire]

Hubba hubba hubba... Who do you trust?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FadBhbcV9c

[Dr.3D]

LOL, this cracks me up......

Just tuned over to Fox News and they are talking about the "fake news" like they were not part of it.
LOL... they even say how bad the media is while, ignoring that they themselves, are media. lol

[UWDude]

What would make you realize you are losing?


2018, then 2020. then maybe he'll take the Dalai Lama's recent advice to protesters, which is basically, the more you screeech, the more you lose.

[UWDude]

Does that mean there was no Russian Hacking going on? Think they would have gave Trump the popular vote too.

too obvious, I guess.

[CPUd]

http://i.imgur.com/0ZTVTF1.png

[ghengis86]

What polls do you trust?

Here's where you guys missed it. Instead of conceding that the polls he cites are shit, and unreliable, he deflects and parries, shifting the onus on the other party to demonstrate the accuracy of their poll, when, that was not the issue at hand. Looks like quite a few fell for that trap and got sucked in, rather than realize the implicit concession.

[Ender]

The world is so $#@!ed up lately, I don't believe anyone or anything that I haven't personally seen anymore. Everything is lies these days.

Yep- My motto is:

QUESTION EVERYTHING

[Jamesiv1]

#FakeThread

[openfire]

Here's where you guys missed it. Instead of conceding that the polls he cites are $#@!, and unreliable, he deflects and parries, shifting the onus on the other party to demonstrate the accuracy of their poll, when, that was not the issue at hand. Looks like quite a few fell for that trap and got sucked in, rather than realize the implicit concession.

Lol, naw we know exactly what he's doing... The poll I posted was just for the entertainment value.

[angelatc]

She did win the popular vote as they predicted. They were incorrect on the Electoral College results.

That's a dumb thing to say. Every single map I saw had her winning states she did not win. "Cos polls.

[AngryCanadian]

http://i.imgur.com/0ZTVTF1.png
Are you Zippy?

[AngryCanadian]

Are you Zippy?

LOL at that Fake Poll.

Gallup 17–19, 2017 59%
Rasmussen Reports 62%
ABC News/The Washington Post 60%

Under Obama's admin watch.
-Allowed ISIS to expand and wanted to use ISIS/Jihadists agaisnt Assad. <Backfired.
-Two terrorist attacks, which also killed gays at a nightclub. Has MSM criticized

-fast and furious.
-Obamacare.
-Wanted to pass TPP!
-Kept bombing Yemen. < No outrage by the liberal anti war.

And these MSM fake polls had given the Obama admin an approval rating of 60%? for what? NOTHING.

[eleganz]

Wapo and NYT severely discredited. They may as well be contracted by the DNC for a Trump hit job.

They are on the same level as Salon and Huffpo now.

[CPUd]

http://i.imgur.com/0vcbDt1.png

[Jamesiv1]

http://i.imgur.com/0vcbDt1.png#FakePolls

[CPUd]

Trump's red line appears to be around 35/65. When it gets worse than that, he changes his behavior. It happened a couple times during the campaign. In general, if he stops running his mouth a few days, his numbers go up.

[timosman]

http://i.imgur.com/0vcbDt1.png

Good morning, how's the weather in Haifa today?

[CPUd]

http://i.imgur.com/RYuhrhY.png

[timosman]

Trump's red line appears to be around 35/65. When it gets worse than that, he changes his behavior. It happened a couple times during the campaign. In general, if he stops running his mouth a few days, his numbers go up.

How many shekels do you want to bet on this?

[timosman]

http://i.imgur.com/RYuhrhY.png

Is this poll kosher?:cool:

[CPUd]

http://i.imgur.com/0INO0TC.png

[Mordan]

"I could go on and on and on"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOghpu6GLcU

GOOLDEN!!!!!

Electoral College Blowout for Hillary!!! Very Very fake news.

[AngryCanadian]

http://i.imgur.com/RYuhrhY.png

Just like the 2016 election they are over sampling leftists. Who gave Obama 60%:rolleyes:
And still believe he was a amazing president.

[AngryCanadian]

Noticed the stupid question?
"Trump will try to limit Freedom of the Fake News Press?"

Liberals 78%

Only liberals find the news media honest.

[CPUd]

http://i.imgur.com/8CPomWF.png

[seapilot]

Thursday, February 23, 2017

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 52% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Forty-seven percent (47%) disapprove.

The latest figures include 38% who Strongly Approve of the way Trump is performing and 38% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of 0http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_feb23

[Superfluous Man]

Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Just like the fake polls you and your colleague CPUd posted here every day during the election. Got it.

The polls weren't that bad. I think they were generally right within the margin of error. It was a very close election. Hillary did get a higher nationwide popular vote, and only lost pretty narrowly in a number of states that could have made the difference in the outcome. I haven't gone back through the polls. But I think we'd find that they weren't actually bad.

[angelatc]

GOOLDEN!!!!!

Electoral College Blowout for Hillary!!! Very Very fake news.

Always remember Zippy said they were only projecting the popular vote. Also remember the biggest tell of a liberal is never admitting you're wrong.

[angelatc]

The polls weren't that bad. I think they were generally right within the margin of error. It was a very close election. Hillary did get a higher nationwide popular vote, and only lost pretty narrowly in a number of states that could have made the difference in the outcome. I haven't gone back through the polls. But I think we'd find that they weren't actually bad.

But if they had been projecting even a tight race, don't you think some of them would have predicted a Trump victory? All we heard was that it was going to be a landslide win for Her.

[CPUd]

But if they had been projecting even a tight race, don't you think some of them would have predicted a Trump victory? All we heard was that it was going to be a landslide win for Her.

Fivethirtyeight wasn't predicting landslide, at least not in October. In fact, the worst they had him in that time frame was 25%. That's the probability of winning 2 consecutive coin flips. They were also predicting a EC/PV split, but in the opposite direction from the results.

PEC had him at 1% probability the week of the election, which is insane.

[LibertyEagle]

He has called the media "the enemy of the people". It is supposed to provide a check against government. But Trump always feels the need to be attacking somebody.

No he didn't, Ziphead. He called the purveyors of fake news, enemies of the people. And he is right.

Seems to me that you exhibit the same behavior.