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goldenequity
02-16-2017, 08:34 AM
"US will work with Russia if it benefits American people."

Lavrov, Tillerson meet for 1st time at crucial point in Russia-US relations (https://www.rt.com/news/377534-lavrov-tillerson-g20-meeting/)

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Lavrov also emphasized that current developments in Washington are US domestic affairs, in which Moscow has no interest in meddling.

"One should understand that we don't interfere in other nations' domestic affairs," he told reporters when asked if "turbulence" in the American capital has ramifications for US-Russia relations.

Earlier comments from the Russian Foreign Ministry suggested that Syria and sensitive bilateral issues would be discussed at the meeting.

The US State Department told reporters the upcoming conversation with Lavrov “obviously will be a very important one,” adding that Tillerson is likely to use the occasion to seek “ways for pragmatic and constructive cooperation in areas where our interests overlap.”

Areas of mutual interest might include “counter-ISIS [Islamic State] and counterterrorism” efforts, State Department officials said at a special briefing.

The officials also said that Tillerson would not soften Washington's stance on Ukraine, a crisis which remains largely unresolved. The secretary of state would “push for full implementation of the parties’, including Russia’s, commitments under the Minsk agreement for the Donbass.”

Ukraine and the issue of economic sanctions look like becoming a stumbling block for future dialogue between Moscow and Washington. President Donald Trump has claimed that Crimea – a region that was reunited with mainland Russia following a 2014 referendum – was “taken” by Moscow, prompting a measured but swift response from the Russian Foreign Ministry.

“Crimea is part of the Russian Federation,” Zakharova told reporters on Wednesday.

It will be the first time Lavrov has met the newly-appointed Tillerson. It comes as US-Russia relations are under particular scrutiny following the election of President Trump, who has repeatedly pledged to mend ties with Moscow.

goldenequity
02-16-2017, 10:51 AM
Russian Market
Mais
►TOP U.S, RUSSIAN MILITARY TO MEET TODAY THURS. IN AZERBAIJAN:PENTAGON

PRIOR COMMENTS/PRE-MEETING POSTURES
MoD SHOIGU: "Russia won't be talked to 'from position of strength' - responds to US Statement. (https://www.rt.com/news/377527-russia-position-strength-mattis/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=RSS)

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“We remain open to opportunities to restore a cooperative relationship with Moscow,
while being realistic in our expectations and ensuring our diplomats negotiate from a position of strength.” -- US Sec Def James Mattis.

Mattis on Thursday said he had “no need to respond” to Shoigu’s remark. He added that Moscow had to prove its trustworthiness before the Pentagon would cooperate with the Russian military.

“We are not in a position right now to collaborate on a military level. But our political leaders will engage and try to find common ground,” the Pentagon chief told reporters after talks at NATO headquarters in Brussels.

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Zippyjuan
02-16-2017, 12:16 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/us-secretary-state-tillerson-meets-russias-lavrov-45531532


US secretary of state says Russia must honor Ukraine deal

U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said Thursday that Russia must abide by a 2015 deal aimed at ending fighting between Ukrainian forces and Russia-backed separatists as the Trump administration searches for ways to work cooperatively with Moscow.

The former Exxon Mobil CEO spoke after meeting Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov for the first time, in the highest-level face-to-face contact between representatives from the two countries since Trump took office on Jan. 20.

Russia annexed the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine in 2014, and Russian-speaking separatists in Ukraine's began protests that escalated into a war, with thousands killed. A deal two years ago known as the Minsk agreement was intended to end the conflict, but skirmishes have continued.

"As we search for new common ground, we expect Russia to honor its commitments to the Minsk agreements and work to de-escalate the violence in the Ukraine," Tillerson said after talks with Lavrov.

goldenequity
02-16-2017, 04:40 PM
What's the Weather like? :)



►Moscow expects Pentagon to explain intention to negotiate with Russia from position of strength - Defense Minister Shoigu

►RUSSIAN GENERAL STAFF CHIEF GERASIMOV THANKS AZERBAIJANI AUTHORITIES FOR ARRANGING MEETING WITH DUNFORD IN BAKU - AZERBAIJAN

►Attempts to negotiate with Russia from position of strength futile - Defense Ministry Shoigu

►De Mistura to meet with Shoigu, following \'useful meeting\' with Lavrov

►ATTEMPTS TO BUILD DIALOGUE WITH RUSSIA FROM POSITION OF STRENGTH ARE UNPROMISING - RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTER ON PENTAGON CHIEF\'S STATEMENT

►THERE ARE NO MORE DIRECT CLASHES BETWEEN GOVT TROOPS AND MODERATE OPPOSITION IN SYRIA - SHOIGU

►SHOIGU HOPES SINGLE MAP OF SYRIA SEPARATING MODERATE OPPOSITION FROM TERRORISTS WILL BE AGREED ON THURSDAY

►Process of building normal business-like relations with U.S. to begin sooner or later - Kremlin

►Peskov declines to comment on impersonal reports on possible U.S. ground operation in Syria

►No need to rush improvement in Russia-U.S. relations, wait until Trump forms his administration - Kremlin

►Crimea not subject matter of bilateral relations, Russia has no intention of discussing it with U.S.

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Forty nine military helicopters have been dispatched by the US to Germany in order to confront Russia.


►NATO rules out military operations in Syria (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/nato-rules-military-operations-syria/)

nikcers
02-16-2017, 05:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exuPcisyRhM

goldenequity
02-16-2017, 05:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exuPcisyRhM

In context.. 'The greatest thing I could do [politically] is shoot that ship out of the water.'
Why?
cuz he's surrounded by a political class who want war... war with Russia.
He's being blunt not stupid.
I'm no fan but it's tragic
and would rather have him make statements like this
than something 'clever'.
Raw is better than chocolate covered.

The lunatics are running the asylum.
The Russians know full well they are dealing with a treacherous serial killer called the United States Government.

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nikcers
02-16-2017, 05:24 PM
In context.. 'The greatest thing I could do [politically] is shoot that ship out of the water.'
Why?
cuz he's surrounded by a political class who want war... war with Russia.
He's being blunt not stupid.
I'm no fan but it's tragic
and would rather have him make statements like this
than something 'clever'.
Raw is better than chocolate covered.

The lunatics are running the asylum.

Either that or Trump is talking out of two sides of his mouth like he normally does.

nikcers
02-16-2017, 06:07 PM
In context...
Here is some actual context, not "interpretation"

“Putin probably assumes that he can’t make a deal with me anymore because politically it would be unpopular for a politician to make a deal – I can’t believe I’m saying I’m a politician but I guess that’s what I am now. “I don’t know if we’re going to make a deal. We might, we might not.”

AZJoe
02-17-2017, 06:36 AM
In context.. 'The greatest thing I could do [politically] is shoot that ship out of the water.'

Correct. He was referring to the minds of the media. They would cheer. Here is extended context:

“If we could get along with Russia, that’s a positive thing. We have a very talented man, Rex Tillerson, who’s going to be meeting with them shortly and I told him. I said I know politically it’s probably not good for me [to get along with Russia]”

The greatest thing I could do is shoot that ship that’s 30 miles off shore right out of the water. Everyone in this country’s going to say “oh, it’s so great.” That’s NOT great. That’s not great. I would love to be able to get along with Russia."

nikcers
02-17-2017, 08:34 AM
[to get along with Russia]
That's the only thing you added to what was in the video I posted. That extra context adds nothing to the quote. Trump isn't saying going to war with Russia would be a bad thing, he just insinuates that getting along would be a good thing, but even suggests that it's a remote possiblity. He is even suggesting to people that they think that it would be great if Trump shot a ship. Trump talks a big game about getting along with Russia but he has done very little but piss them off. How is starting a war with Iran, going to improve relations with Russia?

UWDude
02-17-2017, 10:55 AM
OMG!! PROOF OF COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA!!

AZJoe
02-17-2017, 12:34 PM
The most significant thing to come from the entire 77 minute press conference was to reconfirm the commitment to establishing good relations with Russia:


I love to negotiate things. I do it really well and all that stuff. But it's possible I won't be able to get along with Putin. Maybe it is. I just want to tell you, the false reporting by the media, by you people, the false, horrible fake reporting makes it much harder to make a deal with Russia. And probably Putin said, you know, he's sitting behind his desk saying, you know, I see what's going on in the United States, they follow it closely. It's going to be impossible for President Trump to ever get along with Russia because of all the pressure he's got with this fake story. Okay? And that's a shame. Because if we could get along with Russia, and by the way, China and Japan and everyone, if we could get along, it would be a positive thing, not a negative thing. …

probably Putin assumed he cannot make a deal with me because it's politically not popular for me to make a deal, so Hillary Clinton tries to reset. It failed. They all tried. But I'm different than those people, go ahead. …

I think Putin probably assumes that he can't make a deal with me anymore because politically it's unpopular for a politician to make a deal. – I can’t believe I’m saying I’m a politician but I guess that’s what I am now. … Look, it'd be much easier for me to be tough on Russia but then we're not going to make a deal. Now, I don't know that we're going to make a deal. I don't know. We might. We might not.

But it would be much easier for me to be so tough, the tougher I am on Russia, the better, but you know what? I want to do the right thing for the American people, and to be honest, secondarily, I want to do the right thing for the world. If Russia and the United States actually got together and got along, and don't forget, we're a very powerful nuclear country, and so are they.
There's no upside. We're a very powerful nuclear country and so are they. I've been briefed. I can tell you one thing about a briefing, that we're allowed to say because anybody that ever read the most basic book can say it, nuclear holocaust would be like no other. They're a very powerful nuclear country, and so are we. If we have a good relationship with Russia — believe me — that's a good thing, not a bad thing. … maybe I'm not going to be able to do a deal with Russia, but, at least, I will have tried, ...

goldenequity
02-17-2017, 04:53 PM
The most significant thing to come from the entire 77 minute press conference was to reconfirm the commitment to establishing good relations with Russia:


I love to negotiate things. I do it really well and all that stuff. But it's possible I won't be able to get along with Putin. Maybe it is. I just want to tell you, the false reporting by the media, by you people, the false, horrible fake reporting makes it much harder to make a deal with Russia. And probably Putin said, you know, he's sitting behind his desk saying, you know, I see what's going on in the United States, they follow it closely. It's going to be impossible for President Trump to ever get along with Russia because of all the pressure he's got with this fake story. Okay? And that's a shame. Because if we could get along with Russia, and by the way, China and Japan and everyone, if we could get along, it would be a positive thing, not a negative thing. …

probably Putin assumed he cannot make a deal with me because it's politically not popular for me to make a deal, so Hillary Clinton tries to reset. It failed. They all tried. But I'm different than those people, go ahead. …

I think Putin probably assumes that he can't make a deal with me anymore because politically it's unpopular for a politician to make a deal. – I can’t believe I’m saying I’m a politician but I guess that’s what I am now. … Look, it'd be much easier for me to be tough on Russia but then we're not going to make a deal. Now, I don't know that we're going to make a deal. I don't know. We might. We might not.

But it would be much easier for me to be so tough, the tougher I am on Russia, the better, but you know what? I want to do the right thing for the American people, and to be honest, secondarily, I want to do the right thing for the world. If Russia and the United States actually got together and got along, and don't forget, we're a very powerful nuclear country, and so are they.
There's no upside. We're a very powerful nuclear country and so are they. I've been briefed. I can tell you one thing about a briefing, that we're allowed to say because anybody that ever read the most basic book can say it, nuclear holocaust would be like no other. They're a very powerful nuclear country, and so are we. If we have a good relationship with Russia — believe me — that's a good thing, not a bad thing. … maybe I'm not going to be able to do a deal with Russia, but, at least, I will have tried, ...

Agree.

Regarding the whole Crimea thing...
(which seemed to come out of 'nowhere'..)

It's often a 'common' tactic in negotiating..
to ask for MORE then you EVER hope to get
right out of the gate... "Let ALL the hostages go... and then we'll talk."
You KNOW they're not going to do it.
but
It makes "OK so let all the women and injured go and I'll get you your helicopter."
seem like a 'concession'.

Trump KNOWS they'll never give up Crimea.
Betcha a million bucks. :)
and
Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that ... hahaha.

nikcers
02-17-2017, 05:05 PM
Agree.

Regarding the whole Crimea thing...
(which seemed to come out of 'nowhere'..)

It's often a 'common' tactic in negotiating..
to ask for MORE then you EVER hope to get
right out of the gate... "Let ALL the hostages go... and then we'll talk."
You KNOW they're not going to do it.
but
It makes "OK so let all the women and injured go and I'll get you your helicopter."
seem like a 'concession'.

Trump KNOWS they'll never give up Crimea.
Betcha a million bucks. :)
and
Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that Trump 'knows' that Putin 'knows' that ... hahaha.

Came out of nowhere? Mccain dropped a football field full of weapons on them and then Putin responded by dropping two. It looks like they are increasing aggression after Trumps statements as well.

nikcers
02-17-2017, 05:14 PM
I would love to be able to get along with Russia."
That's why you are telling Russia to give btfo Ukraine putting Iran on "notice" and soon to have boots on the ground in Syria?

goldenequity
02-17-2017, 05:44 PM
[Crimea].... Came out of nowhere?

What I'm referencing is:
Following the Inauguration.... with the entire heads of State around the globe holding their collective breath waiting for
the very first 'utterance' from the new administration...
What's the 'first' thing that came out?
Nikki Haley's statement regarding Crimea.
It was very weird...
and seems (imo) to 'come out of nowhere'.
Nobody anticipated that would BE Trump's position...
much less..
that it would be the FIRST thing (of any Geopolitical consequence)
coming out of their mouth.

My point here is:
It (imo) was SO strange and 'orphaned' that I'm thinking (now) it was part of an opening 'gambit'..
meant for LEVERAGE
more
than real substance.

Who knows the man. Not me.

nikcers
02-17-2017, 05:56 PM
What I'm referencing is:
Following the Inauguration.... with the entire heads of State around the globe holding their collective breath waiting for
the very first 'utterance' from the new administration...
What's the 'first' thing that came out?
Nikki Haley's statement regarding Crimea.
It was very weird...
and seems (imo) to 'come out of nowhere'.
Nobody anticipated that would BE Trump's position...
much less..
that it would be the FIRST thing (of any Geopolitical consequence)
coming out of their mouth.

My point here is:
It (imo) was SO strange and 'orphaned' that I'm thinking (now) it was part of an opening 'gambit'..
meant for LEVERAGE
more
than real substance.

Who knows the man. Not me.

Don't look at Trumps words, look at his actions. John Bolton's name getting floated around now again..

Here comes the next wave of the U.S. oil boom (http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/17/investing/us-oil-comeback-opec/)

goldenequity
02-17-2017, 06:25 PM
Don't look at Trumps words, look at his actions. John Bolton's name getting floated around now again..


yeah... that's depressing.

silverhandorder
02-17-2017, 06:34 PM
I am getting tired of questioning him. At this point I trust him more than political pundits even on our side.