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openfire
02-15-2017, 12:34 AM
"This is unprecedented!"
"They're trying to re-ignite the cold war with Russia so the MIC can cash in!"
"Whether you're for Trump or against Trump, the White House is under attack from elements inside the intelligence community which are trying to elevate tensions between Russia and the United States, and at the bottom of that is money, an agenda, for somebody to cash in on conflict between the US and Russia at any level"
"Wake up America!"

Lots of truth bombs here by Kucinich:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j_ZfKmcnSk

charrob
02-15-2017, 12:37 AM
Former US House of Representatives Member Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) presented an urgent warning to the American people in a Wednesday Fox Business interview regarding the resignation of Michael Flynn from the position of national security advisor after information was leaked about a phone conversation Flynn had with the Russian ambassador to the United States. “At the core” of the intercepting of the then-incoming national security advisor’s phone conversation and the sharing with media of related information by US intelligence officials, Kucinich says, “is an effort by some in the intelligence community to upend any positive relationship between the US and Russia.”

But why take such an action? Kucinich answers that the effort against Flynn is part of an effort to ensure that the “military-industrial-intel axis can cash in” from the deterioration of relations between the US and Russia and, potentially, a new cold war. As Kucinich notes, “the American people forked over billions of dollars” for the previous US-Soviet Union cold war. Kucinich elaborates:


This isn’t about whether you are for or against Donald Trump. Hello — this is about whether or not the American people are bystanders in a power play inside the intelligence committee, the outcome of which could determine our relationship with Russia and whether or not billions of dollars are going to be spent in a new cold war.

If Trump does not gain control over “his own intelligence apparatus,” Kucinich says that the resulting danger extends beyond a new cold war. Trump, Kucinich warns, “will never know the truth, the American people won’t know the truth, and we could be set at war with almost any country.”

Watch Kucinich’s complete interview here: http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2017/february/14/dennis-kucinich-push-for-new-cold-war-behind-effort-against-michael-flynn/





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j_ZfKmcnSk

dannno
02-15-2017, 12:42 AM
Holy shit. That's insane.

Glad to see him out front speaking truth on some issues here, but that is not good news.

CPUd
02-15-2017, 12:43 AM
Sounds like the POTUS wants to reignite the Cold War, too. He's been incredibly tough on Russia.

Trump expects Russia to ‘return Crimea' – White House (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?507537-Trump-expects-Russia-to-%91return-Crimea-%96-White-House)

timosman
02-15-2017, 12:43 AM
Should we expect any comments from the resident shills?

dannno
02-15-2017, 12:51 AM
Can Trump abolish the CIA?

nobody's_hero
02-15-2017, 12:52 AM
I wonder how long until Kucinich gets Seth Rich'ed.

timosman
02-15-2017, 01:12 AM
Can Trump abolish the CIA?

Nope.

specsaregood
02-15-2017, 05:59 AM
Can Trump abolish the CIA?

I guess we'll know the day federal troops descend upon the "intelligence" community and start making mass arrests...
The non-fascist part of me doesn't want to see that; but at the same time some part of me does... I guess that's how these things get started.

jmdrake
02-15-2017, 07:13 AM
There are some people on this forum that owe Dennis Kucinich an apology.

anaconda
02-15-2017, 01:52 PM
Can Trump abolish the CIA?

I was wondering to myself yesterday why he can't simply fire the entire CIA staff and rehire an entirely new one. Obviously they would not have to fire everyone by a long shot, but maybe 30% or so? Plus Trump himself might perhaps need only fire a few and let them begin a domino strategy of successively firing underlings that are bad apples.

anaconda
02-15-2017, 01:54 PM
There are some people on this forum that owe Dennis Kucinich an apology.

I've always been a big fan, along with Cynthia McKinney and Ralph.

Athan
02-15-2017, 01:56 PM
There are some people on this forum that owe Dennis Kucinich an apology.
Kucinich has always been a principled dude. Maybe wrong on economics somewhat, but always a straight shooter.

Unknownuser
02-15-2017, 02:25 PM
Interesting that pizzagate was brought into this. Both Flynn and Jr. Tweeted about it. Perhaps there is something here.

anaconda
02-15-2017, 06:12 PM
Kucinich has always been a principled dude.

Except for maybe here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/17/dennis-kucinich-health-care_n_502182.html

surf
02-15-2017, 08:35 PM
thanks for posting. I've defended Kucinich on this site for almost 8 years now. he was one of Ron's few and most eloquent allies on so many important issues (fed, war, weed).
and I can't forget his wife.

nikcers
02-15-2017, 08:44 PM
I was wondering to myself yesterday why he can't simply fire the entire CIA staff and rehire an entirely new one. Obviously they would not have to fire everyone by a long shot, but maybe 30% or so? Plus Trump himself might perhaps need only fire a few and let them begin a domino strategy of successively firing underlings that are bad apples.
In soviet America CIA fires you.

juleswin
02-15-2017, 08:46 PM
I watched a news segment one time with Kucinich where they were discussing how to stimulate the economy and his idea was for the govt to lower the retirement age and age for medicare eligibility so that the older workers would retire faster and companies would have to hire younger worker. Since that day, I just never saw him the same way, what I am trying to say is that he is not the sharpest too in the shed.

The fact that he believes this makes me question the whole premise.

nikcers
02-15-2017, 08:49 PM
I watched a news segment one time with Kucinich where they were discussing how to stimulate the economy and his idea was for the govt to lower the retirement age and age for medicare eligibility so that the older workers would retire faster and companies would have to hire younger worker. Since that day, I just never say him the same way, what I am trying to say is that he is not the sharpest too in the shed.

The fact that he believes this makes me question the whole premise.
Isn't that what Greece did? I am really ignorant about things that happen outside American politics.

juleswin
02-15-2017, 08:56 PM
Isn't that what Greece did? I am really ignorant about things that happen outside American politics.

Yea, the Greeks complicated their situation with many of their rich citizens tax dodging. My apologies if I was wrong, that is what I got from reading the MSM

goldenequity
02-16-2017, 05:33 AM
thanks for posting. I've defended Kucinich on this site for almost 8 years now. he was one of Ron's few and most eloquent allies on so many important issues (fed, war, weed).
and I can't forget his wife.

Elizabeth.

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Elizabeth+Kucinich+40th+AFI+Life+Achievement+4eQ5r NgebPXl.jpg

Athan
02-16-2017, 08:39 AM
Except for maybe here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/17/dennis-kucinich-health-care_n_502182.html

Like I said, on economics he isn't the wisest of creatures. No Austrian economist would have supported that damn mess.

AZJoe
02-16-2017, 11:06 AM
Judge Napolitano's take:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVkXrU47oZQ

TheCount
02-16-2017, 11:27 AM
Isn't that what Greece did? I am really ignorant about things that happen outside American politics.That was one of many problems that Greece had...very generous benefits and social safety net generally, high youth unemployment, high corruption, and low rate of taxpaying as Jules mentioned. They tried to cut the freebies because they literally couldn't afford them, and the people repeatedly rejected that... protesting, rioting, and voting in new people who promised not to cut benefits. The people decided on 100% of nothing rather than 50% of something.

AZJoe
02-16-2017, 11:54 AM
Check out this tweet by national security columnist and former NSA analyst and counterintelligence officer John Schindler.

Schindler claims he received an email from deep state intelligence community admitting the intelligence community admitting "war" against the sitting elected President of the American people, that they are taking their coup to "new levels", going to "go nuclear" against the President of the United States.

831872441597194241

“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” - Senator Chuck Schumer

From Daily Caller:
"Schindler received heat for his tweet suggesting a coup by the intelligence community. ABC News chief foreign correspondent Terry Moran tweeted, “If this source is for real, talk of a ‘Deep State’ coup aren’t insane. [The president] will ‘die in jail’? Who do you think you are?”" http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/15/former-nsa-analyst-claims-intel-community-will-go-nuclear-against-trump/


From Zero Hedge:

"So when efforts to spin a Russian hacking narrative fail to sway an electorate in the desired direction of the intelligence community, we guess treason is the logical next step?"


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-15/he-will-die-jail-intelligence-community-ready-go-nuclear-trump

CPUd
02-16-2017, 11:58 AM
Check out this tweet by national security columnist and former NSA analyst and counterintelligence officer John Schindler.

Schindler claims he received an email from deep state intelligence community admitting the intelligence community admitting "war" against the sitting elected President of the American people, that they are taking their coup to "new levels", going to "go nuclear" against the President of the United States.

831872441597194241

From Daily Caller:
"Schindler received heat for his tweet suggesting a coup by the intelligence community.
ABC News chief foreign correspondent Terry Moran tweeted, “If this source is for real, talk of a ‘Deep State’ coup aren’t insane. [The president] will ‘die in jail’? Who do you think you are?”" http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/15/former-nsa-analyst-claims-intel-community-will-go-nuclear-against-trump/

Sounds like they have some serious dirt on him. Too bad they weren't doing this during the primaries.

timosman
02-16-2017, 12:02 PM
Sounds like they have some serious dirt on him. Too bad they weren't doing this during the primaries.

Yeah, he was having a threesome with Miss Venezuela and Miss Florida and Florida isn't even a country.:eek:

AZJoe
02-16-2017, 12:42 PM
Sounds like they have some serious dirt on him. Too bad they weren't doing this during the primaries.

Really? With illegal hand-picked directed leaks and disinformation campaign from the disinformation agencies that already cried wolf a thousand times now? Sounds more like some deluded wishful worshiping of one of the most corrupt organizations on the planet.

The CIA Criminals In Action organized crime intelligence agencies that routinely break any law committing the most serious crimes from drug running to murder, that funds and arms the most heinous and brutal of individuals and groups, that creates and fosters terrorists groups, that manufactures false flag operations. The same folks that did not care that Obama gave the go ahead to Hillary to transfer half the Uranium in the US to Russia; that did not care Hillary Clinton and Obama were funding ISIS with arms and training, or Hillary using a pay to play scheme with the Clinton Foundation lining her pockets with money from foreign governments, and so much corruption and foreign dealings to fill several encyclopedia sets (Corruption (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?499588-Clinton-Cash-Film-Exposes-Clintons%92-Pay-to-Play-Matrix&p=6339335&viewfull=1#post6339335), More Corruption (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?502307-Hillary-Clinton-Corrupt-Authoritarian&p=6332197&viewfull=1#post6332197), Big Corruption List (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?502071-Trump%92s-dirty-talk-versus-Hillary%92s-corruption&p=6329052&viewfull=1#post6329052) ) -

No, it looks more like a concerted standard operating procedure disinformation regime change coup operation by a military-surveillance-industrial complex deep state that is deathly afraid of actual peace breaking out, that wants another cold war no matter what, and will pull all stops to make it happen.

enhanced_deficit
02-16-2017, 01:27 PM
It is not often that few anti-war crazies on the left and right-wingers say similar things while MSM has a different line.


The Washington Free Beacon reported (http://freebeacon.com/national-security/obama-allies-working-undermine-trumps-national-security-team/) this week that allies of former President Obama still working for intelligence agencies are working to undermine Trump.

Some on the Right suggest that Obama is a gift that keeps on giving (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?507620-Some-on-the-Right-suggest-that-Obama-is-a-gift-that-keeps-on-giving&)

juleswin
02-16-2017, 01:34 PM
It is not often that few anti-war crazies on the left and right-wingers say similar things while MSM has a different line.



Some on the Right suggest that Obama is a gift that keeps on giving (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?507620-Some-on-the-Right-suggest-that-Obama-is-a-gift-that-keeps-on-giving&)

The question is this, why isn't Trump's CIA guy cleaning house? He should be cleaning house right now instead of playing golf and going on twitter. Maybe he is in on the act or he is just an incompetent leader. I think he is in on it, it helps to solidify the false perception that he is anti establishment

enhanced_deficit
02-16-2017, 01:40 PM
Good questions but to be fair it's been only short time and he's been busy with getting his nominations through and executives orders out.

But are you suggesting Trump and Obama are secretly in cahoots & working for same masters?

shakey1
02-16-2017, 03:07 PM
Look's like Trump's in for one hellava fight.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/3orif1uJmszWgDn3C8/200_s.gif

anaconda
02-16-2017, 07:05 PM
In soviet America CIA fires you.

I think the President could legally fire all of the trouble makers at the CIA.

timosman
02-16-2017, 07:22 PM
I think the President could legally fire all of the trouble makers at the CIA.

If he knew who they are. It might be time to go to mattresses.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-sIQpQ2drY

nikcers
02-16-2017, 07:31 PM
I think the President could legally fire all of the trouble makers at the CIA.

Maybe if Trump wasn't behind he CIA 1000%.. I think he would have to stop taking steroids to even consider firing and shutting down the shadow government that has no oversight or audits that probably helped him get elected.

anaconda
02-16-2017, 08:25 PM
Maybe if Trump wasn't behind he CIA 1000%.. I think he would have to stop taking steroids to even consider firing and shutting down the shadow government that has no oversight or audits that probably helped him get elected.

Trump would probably need to drop a net over the various heroin cash cows so that the CIA doesn't simply fund itself in hiatus. I also wonder how much rainy day cash the intel community has on hand to run operations?

AZJoe
02-16-2017, 08:36 PM
Damon Linker in (http://theweek.com/articles/680068/americas-spies-anonymously-took-down-michael-flynn-that-deeply-worrying) The Week (http://theweek.com/articles/680068/americas-spies-anonymously-took-down-michael-flynn-that-deeply-worrying):
The whole episode is evidence of the precipitous and ongoing collapse of America’s democratic institutions — not a sign of their resiliency. Flynn’s ouster was a soft coup (or political assassination) engineered by anonymous intelligence community bureaucrats. The results might be salutary, but this isn’t the way a liberal democracy is supposed to function.

In a liberal democracy, how things happen is often as important as what happens. Procedures matter. So do rules and public accountability. The chaotic, dysfunctional Trump White House is placing the entire system under enormous strain. That’s bad. But the answer isn’t to counter it with equally irregular acts of sabotage — or with a disinformation campaign waged by nameless civil servants toiling away in the surveillance state.

nikcers
02-16-2017, 08:51 PM
Trump would probably need to drop a net over the various heroin cash cows so that the CIA doesn't simply fund itself in hiatus. I also wonder how much rainy day cash the intel community has on hand to run operations?
Potentially they have enough blackmail material to print their own money. Which is why this is just a witch hunt against people like Snowden.

anaconda
02-16-2017, 08:57 PM
Potentially they have enough blackmail material to print their own money.

I never thought of this, actually. Interesting.

nikcers
02-16-2017, 09:07 PM
I never thought of this, actually. Interesting. That's what I think is the interesting thing about the "pizza gate". If they really have the abilities our intelligence community advertises that they have, then it is also a way they control actors to make them do their bidding. If there was any person of power who they could link to pizza then they could destroy their career. I bet they could even create the evidence and incriminate anyone they wanted even if they didn't have anything to do with pizza.

CPUd
02-16-2017, 09:19 PM
https://i.imgur.com/PZDrSm8.jpg

enhanced_deficit
02-16-2017, 10:26 PM
If there was any person of power who they could link to pizza then they could destroy their career.





https://i.imgur.com/PZDrSm8.jpg


https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR8IqdDJNocNaE3_OkhOGVBwaPa-KkoQT330b__9L2PV4JNiupP

KEEF
02-17-2017, 06:54 AM
+1 to Dennis

tod evans
02-17-2017, 07:54 AM
Wasn't there talk about swamp draining not too long ago?

Start with the GS-11's and higher.

Sew their eyelids open and stake 'em out on fire-ant nests facing West..

phill4paul
02-17-2017, 09:36 AM
Wasn't there talk about swamp draining not too long ago?

Start with the GS-11's and higher.

Sew their eyelids open and stake 'em out on fire-ant nests facing West..

And replace them with...no one.

PatriotOne
02-17-2017, 12:15 PM
"This is unprecedented!"
"They're trying to re-ignite the cold war with Russia so the MIC can cash in!"
"Whether you're for Trump or against Trump, the White House is under attack from elements inside the intelligence community which are trying to elevate tensions between Russia and the United States, and at the bottom of that is money, an agenda, for somebody to cash in on conflict between the US and Russia at any level"
"Wake up America!"

Lots of truth bombs here by Kucinich:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j_ZfKmcnSk

I like Kucinich. He's a good man with good intentions. But he seems rather surprised by it all. Maybe I give these people too much credit. Even I could have told Trump that all the intelligence agencies are infested with agents that have been put in place to protect the globalists agenda. This agenda has been being protected by these agents who have been blackmailed (honey traps, including pedophilia), mk ultra'd, bribed, or whatever trap they fell into. These people have been put in place most notably during Bush Sr's watch while CIA Diretor/Vice P/President but even before that.

Blackmail, etc., is what keeps the globalists system in place and their agenda moving forward. It's in our intelligence agencies, the media, a large portion of our Congress, Senate, Supreme Court, lots of other judges all over the country (9th Circuit for example), police forces, mayors, government contractors....I could go on and on and on...... They have been being put in place for DECADES now.

Maybe I should have briefed Trump if those on the inside don't even know this chit! They won' go down easy so Trump better be prepared to gut the system.

jmdrake
02-17-2017, 03:05 PM
Except for maybe here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/17/dennis-kucinich-health-care_n_502182.html

True. Then again Rand has made some votes (Iran sanctions for example) that have left people scratching their heads.

robert68
02-17-2017, 03:18 PM
The leaks are real, the news is fake --Trump :confused:

AZJoe
02-18-2017, 02:31 AM
Kucinich said he feared the intelligence community is trying to influence foreign policy … “it’s very clear that his communications were taped, they were transcribed, they were given to the media with specific timing involved,” Kucinich said. “This was clearly a trap that was set for him.”

Kucinich went on to say that The Washington Post … may have gained the intelligence through ties its owner, Jeff Bezos, forged … a multimillion-dollar cloud computing contract with the CIA … “I have a problem with The Washington Post having as a business partner the Central Intelligence Agency,” …

“We want to know who is really running the United States of America and we sure don’t want it to be a cadre of intelligence officials who are trying to use headlines and innuendo to upend a new administration,” he said.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2017/02/kucinich_intelligence_leaks_point_to_possible_trap _set_by_washington_post#.WKfm9WKYa0A.facebook

anaconda
02-18-2017, 03:01 AM
True. Then again Rand has made some votes (Iran sanctions for example) that have left people scratching their heads.

But not just after stepping off Air Force One.

nikcers
02-21-2017, 06:24 PM
That's what I think is the interesting thing about the "pizza gate". If they really have the abilities our intelligence community advertises that they have, then it is also a way they control actors to make them do their bidding. If there was any person of power who they could link to pizza then they could destroy their career. I bet they could even create the evidence and incriminate anyone they wanted even if they didn't have anything to do with pizza.
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