Elections official asks Trump for evidence of voter fraud

[Zippyjuan]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-election-fraud-idUSKBN15Q01O


A member of the Federal Election Commission on Friday called on President Donald Trump to share any evidence he has to support a statement that voter fraud caused him and former Senator Kelly Ayotte to lose in New Hampshire in the 2016 U.S. election.

“The scheme the President of the United States alleges would constitute thousands of felony criminal offenses under New Hampshire law,” FEC Commissioner Ellen Weintraub said in a statement. (bit.ly/2lAnk7t)

Trump blamed voter fraud for his and Ayotte's losses in New Hampshire in November's election while speaking on Thursday with a bipartisan group of U.S. senators, saying that Ayotte's re-election bid was spoiled by "thousands" of people from neighboring Massachusetts voting in New Hampshire, according to media reports.

Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton narrowly won New Hampshire’s four electoral votes by nearly 3,000 votes, while Ayotte, a Republican like Trump, lost by only 743 votes.

Weintraub, who was appointed by former Republican President George W. Bush, asked Trump to "immediately share his evidence with the public and with the appropriate law-enforcement authorities so that his allegations may be investigated promptly and thoroughly."

Trump said on Sunday he would put Vice President Mike Pence in charge of a special commission to investigate voter fraud, despite numerous studies showing that such fraud is rare in the United States.

Trump has said that fraud may account for his loss nationwide in the popular vote to Clinton by nearly 3 million votes.

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[Zippyjuan]

Hmm. Tons of executive orders but nothing on election fraud? http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/trump-calls-for-major-investigation-into-voter-fraud/


Trump considers executive order on voter fraud

By Dan Merica, Eric Bradner and Jim Acosta, CNN
Updated 6:57 PM ET, Wed January 25, 2017

President Donald Trump could sign an executive order or presidential memorandum initiating an investigation into voter fraud as early as Thursday, a senior administration official tells CNN. The investigation would be carried out through the Department of Justice.

The move would expand on Trump's interest in the unproven claims he has made since November's election alleging millions of illegal votes were cast, without citing any evidence.

"I will be asking for a major investigation into VOTER FRAUD, including those registered to vote in two states, those who are illegal and ... even, those registered to vote who are dead (and many for a long time). Depending on results, we will strengthen up voting procedures!" Trump wrote in two consecutive tweets Wednesday morning.

Been about three weeks since then.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/05/trump-walks-back-false-voter-fraud-claim-in-interview-with-bill-oreilly/?utm_term=.a83921e2217e


Trump walks back false voter fraud claim in interview with Bill O’Reilly

He certainly did not admit to being wrong, but in his own way President Trump walked back his false claim that 3 million to 5 million illegal ballots were cast in the November election when he sat down with Fox News host Bill O’Reilly for an interview that aired before the Super Bowl.

Asked whether it was irresponsible for the president to undermine public confidence in the integrity of the vote without data to back up his assertion, Trump said, “It doesn’t have to do with the vote.”

“It has to do with the registration,” he continued. “And when you look at the registration, and you see dead people that have voted, when you see people that are registered in two states — and that voted in two states — when you see other things, when you see illegals, people that are not citizens and they are on the registration rolls. Look, Bill, we can be babies, but you take a look at the registration. You have illegals, you have dead people, you have this — it’s really a bad situation. It’s really bad.”

O’Reilly pressed: “But the data has to show that 3 million illegals voted” for Trump to be right, he said.

“Forget that,” Trump replied. “Forget all that. Just take a look at the registration, and we’re going to do it. And I’m going to set up a commission to be headed by Vice President Mike Pence, and we’re going to look at it very carefully.”

“Forget all that” is about as close as Trump gets to acknowledging he was wrong to claim that millions of illegal ballots tainted an election in which he lost the popular vote. He is basically asking voters to pretend that what he really meant all along is that registries often contain inaccuracies.




It is common for people who move from one state to another to be registered in both because of faulty record keeping, although there is no evidence that voting twice is an epidemic. People registered in more than one state during the election included Trump’s younger daughter, Tiffany; senior adviser Stephen K. Bannon; son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner; and press secretary Sean Spicer.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

There's definitely some fraud going on in this thread.

[Zippyjuan]

There's definitely some fraud going on in this thread.

Examples? Please provide proof to show that it is indeed fraud.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Examples? Please provide proof to show that it is indeed fraud.



Take your pick:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?58229-TheCount

[spudea]

Examples? Please provide proof to show that it is indeed fraud.


Mexican woman in Texas sentenced to 8 years in prison for voter fraud

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/11/mexican-woman-in-texas-sentenced-to-8-years-in-prison-for-voter-fraud.html


A Mexican citizen living in Texas was sentenced this week to eight years in prison for voting illegally in elections in 2012 and 2014.

Rosa Maria Ortega, 37, was found guilty Wednesday on two counts of illegal voting after she falsely claimed to be a United States citizen and voted at least five times between 2012 and 2014.

A jury sentenced her Thursday to eight years in prison and a $5,000 fine.

The Dallas News reported Ortega voted in the November 2012 election and May 2014 GOP primary runoff in Dallas County.

According to Fox 4 News, Ortega’s identity came into question after she tried to register to vote twice in Tarrant County. Both applications were denied.

She had voted in five elections in Dallas before her registration was canceled in April 2015.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton – for whom Ortega voted in 2014 – assisted in the prosecution.

“This case shows how serious Texas is about keeping its elections secure, and the outcome sends a message that violators of the state’s election law will be prosecuted to the fullest,” he said.

According to the New York Times, Ortega was born in Monterrey, Mexico and brought to the U.S. by her mother as an infant. More than a decade later, her mother was deported and Ortega became a permanent resident.

In her defense, Ortega testified that she didn’t understand the differences between the rights granted to citizens and the rights granted to legal residents.

“My mom just used us to get stamps. She never gave us love or guidance. She got deported,” she said, according to Fox 4. "All my life since I worked, I always on my knowledge thought I was a U.S. citizen because I never knew the difference of U.S. citizen and U.S. resident. And the point is if I knew, everything would've been the correct way."


The Dallas News reported that prosecutors showed that Ortega has checked a box on her driver’s license form indicating she was not a citizen.

However, the Dallas County election administrator said Ortega had filled out a voter application and checked that she was a citizen in 2015.

Voter fraud became a hot topic after President Trump made an unsubstantiated claim that he would have won the popular vote if millions had not voted illegally.

In addition to the long prison sentence, Ortega is likely to be deported, her lawyer Clark Birdsall said.

"She'll do eight years in a Texas prison," he told the Times. "And then she'll be deported, and wake up blinking and scratching in a country she doesn't know."

Here let me help you.

[sparebulb]

Zippyfed and C-Pud haven't once questioned Hillary or Stein for proof about their allegations of voter fraud.

And yet, they are here, spreading their shat.

[Zippyjuan]

Zippyfed and C-pud haven't once questioned Hillary or Stein for proof about their allegations of voter fraud.

And yet, they are here, spreading their shat.

You should go back into my post history. I was also critical of their claims of voter fraud.

Found the thread. Looking for the posts. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?504558-Jill-Stein-raises-600k-in-one-day-of-2M-needed-to-fund-recounts-in-WI-MI-PA&highlight=zippyjuan+jill+stein

Just jump to the last page.


One deadline for one procedure of three options to get a recount. Not that it is going to make any difference anyways. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/28/jill_stein_requests_recount_in_pennsylvania_but_ha s_no_evidence_of_fraud.html

[sparebulb]

You should go back into my post history. I was also critical of their claims of voter fraud.

And yet, you are here, spreading your shat.

get used to your new meme, Zippy

[CPUd]

Zippyfed and C-Pud haven't once questioned Hillary or Stein for proof about their allegations of voter fraud.

And yet, they are here, spreading their shat.

How is that relevant? Neither of them are sitting presidents who claim even though they won, millions of people illegally voted for their opponent.

[sparebulb]

How is that relevant? Neither of them are sitting presidents who claim even though they won, millions of people illegally voted for their opponent.

C-Pud, do you think that allegations of fraud should be treated differently whether you are the victor or the vanquished?

Logic fail on you, C-Pud.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

How is that relevant?


C-Pud, do you think that allegations of fraud should be treated differently whether you are the victor or the vanquished?

Logic fail on you, C-Pud.




Hey C-Pud. You recently had an avatar that was a take-off on that blue-red abstract Snowden avatar. Your avatar was a cat that said "feed." What was that about? Are you against Snowden? Or were you just trying to mock people here?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

You should go back into my post history. I was also critical of their claims of voter fraud.

Found the thread. Looking for the posts. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?504558-Jill-Stein-raises-600k-in-one-day-of-2M-needed-to-fund-recounts-in-WI-MI-PA&highlight=zippyjuan+jill+stein

Just jump to the last page.


Not to the post to which you linked. You just posted an article in response to UWDude. You did not appear to make a judgment.

[AZJoe]

Here's some (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?507418-8-Years-for-illegal-voting)

[CPUd]

C-Pud, do you think that allegations of fraud should be treated differently whether you are the victor or the vanquished?

Logic fail on you, C-Pud.

No, I just find it humorous and a bit ironic.

[RPtotheWH]

Didn't the Jill Stein recount find some vote count problems in the Detroit area?

[silverhandorder]

Lol resident Dems fail hard. How does it feel to lose all credibility?

[Cleaner44]

Mexican Citizen Sentenced To 8 Years In Prison For Voter Fraud
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/02/09/grand-prairie-woman-sentenced-to-8-years-in-prison-for-voter-fraud/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po4Nnq7z1l0

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

Dog catcher asks President for evidence of stray dogs.

[seapilot]

Didn't the Jill Stein recount find some vote count problems in the Detroit area?

There was also that DNC intern caught registering dead people. The lady in Miami caught stuffing absentee ballots (not sure on details), and electronic voting machines changing peoples vote. Postal employee in Ohio bragged about destroying mail in ballots from a republican dominated district. Democrats admit registering voters then tearing up the registration later if they were not democrat.

One big fraud would be obvious. When its lots of little ones its harder to detect and all together adds up.

[Zippyjuan]

There was also that DNC intern caught registering dead people.
One big fraud would be obvious. When its lots of little ones its harder to detect and all together adds up.

Paying people to register new voters gives them incentive to add fake names to get more money. But not evidence of anybody voting using those names.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/Man-Accused-With-Filing-Fake-Voter-Registration-Applications-399027631.html


Porter said while the false applications were filed, no illegal votes were cast in this case.

"Since the fraudulent applications involved fictitious people, had the fraud not been uncovered the risk of actual fraudulent votes being cast was low," Porter said.

[seapilot]

Paying people to register new voters gives them incentive to add fake names to get more money. But not evidence of anybody voting using those names.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/politics/Man-Accused-With-Filing-Fake-Voter-Registration-Applications-399027631.html

It never happens? That is very naive thinking. Do not use google to search, they give leftist opinions top and bury the rest. Use Duckduckgo and the search results are completely different. Enter evidence of dead people voting

Here is just one of many. From a left leaning site.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Dead-voted-in-governor-s-race-1163612.php

[Zippyjuan]

It never happens? That is very naive thinking. Do not use google to search, they give leftist opinions top and bury the rest. Use Duckduckgo and the search results are completely different. Enter evidence of dead people voting

Here is just one of many. From a left leaning site.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Dead-voted-in-governor-s-race-1163612.php

Rampant voter fraud! Eight claimed- four identified. Three said they voted for their spouse- one said he only sent in his own. King County has 1.2 million registered voters.


McFarland said she signed her husband's name and mailed in his ballot, along with her own. She said she had power of attorney for her 92-year-old husband, who was blind.

"If I did something that wasn't right, you can just throw that ballot out," McFarland said last night.

Huennekens said one of the P-I's eight cases involved an administrative error that showed a deceased person as voting and would be corrected. In four cases, the signatures on the ballot matched. Huennekens said officials needed further information or could not track down enough information on the other cases.

Election officials said that if cases merit potential fraud, they would forward them on for prosecution.

King County keeps a voter list as a record of who voted in elections and to establish requirements for levies and bonds, Logan said.

The preliminary voter list shows that Mary Coffey mailed in a ballot. But the 51-year-old Seattle woman died about two weeks before absentee ballots were mailed.

"She couldn't have (voted). She died on Sept. 29," said her husband, Michael Coffey. He added that he voted by mail, but destroyed his wife's ballot when it arrived in the mail.

"I don't see how she could have voted. It doesn't make sense. There has to be some kind of error that happened."

Election officials were still looking into what happened in her case.

Bob Holmgren said yesterday that he voted on behalf of his late wife, Charlette Holmgren, who died Sept. 29. The West Seattle man filled out his own ballot and hers, and signed both of them.

"Her vote was important to her," Holmgren said. "She was very strongly against Governor-elect Gregoire." Election officials said all signatures on absentee ballots were doubled-checked against the signature on record.

It does happen, but it is extremely rare. Nothing near the three million illegal immigrants voting Trump tried to claim. Most "evidence" is just poor paperwork.

[CPUd]

There was also that DNC intern caught registering dead people. The lady in Miami caught stuffing absentee ballots (not sure on details), and electronic voting machines changing peoples vote. Postal employee in Ohio bragged about destroying mail in ballots from a republican dominated district. Democrats admit registering voters then tearing up the registration later if they were not democrat.

One big fraud would be obvious. When its lots of little ones its harder to detect and all together adds up.

It's not going to add up to millions, and probably not even thousands in a single state like NH.

[JK/SEA]

thanks to Trump, we're finally having a 'conversation' over this issue...win win.

[JK/SEA]

It's not going to add up to millions, and probably not even thousands in a single state like NH.

can you post a link to your findings?...

[Zippyjuan]

thanks to Trump, we're having a 'conversation' over this issue...win win.

The real goal of claiming voter fraud is to reduce people's eligiblity to cast votes. Restricting real voters.

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

The real goal of denying voter fraud is to destroy America and empower murderous Communist sh1tbags.

[Zippyjuan]

can you post a link to your findings?...

Some interesting numbers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/02/12/mixed-into-his-falsehoods-on-voter-fraud-stephen-miller-did-hit-on-one-truth/?utm_term=.7fecc91a1fb4


Trump lost the state by 2,700 votes — a narrow margin but in a small state. It came down to about 0.4 percent of votes cast. Trump reportedly claimed that the difference was because of people being bused in from Massachusetts. He also claimed that former senator Kelly Ayotte (R) lost her race for the same reason.

That’s weird, though, because Ayotte lost only by 1,000 votes. What’s more, Hillary Clinton earned about 6,000 fewer votes in the state than did the Democratic Senate candidate, Maggie Hassan. Trump got about 7,800 fewer votes than Ayotte. So how does that work? People came in to vote just for Hassan but not Clinton? Did some illegal voters come in to vote for Ayotte but not Trump? In the same election, New Hampshirites elected Chris Sununu as governor. He’s a Republican. Were the illegal voters told to cast votes only for Senate and the presidency? This is a complicated operation, to be sure.

Fergus Cullen, who ran the state Republican Party in 2007 and 2008, expressed skepticism about the bused-in-voters claim on Twitter. “I will pay $1000 to 1st person proving even 1 out-of-state person took bus from MA 2 any NH polling place last Election Day,” he wrote. It’s a safe bet; a review of a decade of news reports on Nexis about voter fraud arrests in the state turned up the following:

A man from Manchester, N.H., who said he lived in Salem, N.H., to vote there.
A state representative who tried to cover up the fact that he’d moved out of his district.
The end.


They did find two examples in a ten year period.

[nikcers]

It's not going to add up to millions, and probably not even thousands in a single state like NH.

That's beside the point, you remember when democrats ran in 08. They ran against George Bush, the most unpopular candidate to democrats. He was the devil, he was the cause of all our problems. Then we had a financial crash where 20 trillion dollars was wiped off our economy.

Trump ran against the same "devil" he got all these suckers to vote for him, because he ran against the cause of all of our problems, Hillary Clinton! Now they are going to do the same thing, you assholes are going to get suckered into voting against the devil you know the next go around, or whoever they pick to be canon fodder for the establishment.

Knowing this though its easy to see why Trump is so defensive about his popularity, and the way that people talk about him. He probably will try to fight against this narrative, but unless he shuts down speech I don't think its possible. Especially since he is doing all the same things the previous "devils" did.

[CPUd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvq0H5Apkm0

[Zippyjuan]

But they wouldn't do that, right? Only Democrats do! This woman cited Trump claims of voter fraud to justify her attempt to vote twice.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-supporter-votes-twice-because-she-fears-rigged-process


Trump supporter votes twice because she fears a ‘rigged’ process

Despite all the rhetoric and voter-suppression laws, actual instances of voter fraud are extremely rare. But every once in a while, an incident pops up, such as this one, as reported by the Des Moines Register.

A Des Moines woman has been arrested on suspicion of voting twice this month in the general election, police and court records show.

Terri Lynn Rote, 55, was booked into the Polk County Jail about 3:40 p.m. Thursday on a first-degree election misconduct charge, which is a Class D felony.
Apparently, Rote, an enthusiastic Donald Trump supporter, cast one ballot at a local county election office, and then went to a separate satellite voting location to vote again.

The system worked and Rote was caught. The local report added that the Polk County auditor said this was the first time in 12 years his office had to report alleged voter fraud.

The part of the story that struck me as most interesting, though, was the part about her motivation.

Rote told Iowa Public Radio that she cast her first ballot for Trump but feared it would be changed to a vote for Hillary Clinton.

“The polls are rigged,” Rote told the radio station.
Ah, I see. A Trump supporter who actually believes Trump’s claims was so worried about the legitimacy of the process that she thought it’d be a good idea to deliberately commit voter fraud. It’s a reminder that many of the Republican candidate’s most ardent supporters don’t always realize that his rhetoric is ridiculous – so they accept his falsehoods at face value..

But wait, some on the right are saying, didn’t a station in Philadelphia just report on dead people casting votes? The headline may have given that impression, but the details point in a very different direction.

Al Schmidt, a GOP election commissioner, said the station brought 20 cases to his attention. His office investigated and found three types of error: Some voters were alive and mistakenly listed on death rolls; some had the same or similar names to dead people in their voting precinct and erroneously signed in the wrong space at the polls; or poll workers accidently scanned the wrong barcode on the voter rolls.

In each case, the person voting did so only once, he said.
“There is no voter fraud in these cases,” he said.

[Zippyjuan]

Of course it is possible that if there WAS massive election fraud that Trump did NOT really win the electoral college.

[nikcers]

Of course it is possible that if there WAS massive election fraud that Trump did NOT really win the electoral college.

It's also possible that democrat turnout was down for the same reason that Republican turnout was up, their nominee was as unpopular as George Bush.

[CPUd]

wow

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[silverhandorder]

Trump is right. You lying.

[CPUd]

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https://twitter.com/JWGOP/status/830845361644269568

[Zippyjuan]

It's also possible that democrat turnout was down for the same reason that Republican turnout was up, their nominee was as unpopular as George Bush.

Trump was equally unpopular. Nothing to brag about there. The both sucked as candidates.

[nikcers]

Trump was equally unpopular. Nothing to brag about there. The both sucked as candidates.

Yeah but most of the people who Trump was unpopular with, didn't vote against Trump. The people who Trump was most unpopular with were never going to vote for Trump or didn't vote against Trump because they hated Clinton more. Trump never had anything equivilant to this. Trump sold the far right a fantasy that made them blind to all of the connections Trump had with the elite.



It is happening.

FBI / Wikileaks are working together. The_Donald sub reddit is leading the charge.

BE A PART OF HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!No matter what you feel about Trump... HELP. This is bigger than just the election!

[Zippyjuan]

People mostly wanted something "different" and didn't see Clinton as different. Well, in behavior he is certainly different. Will it turn out to be an improvement? We can keep our fingers crossed and wait a couple years and see what happens. It certainly feels like he has been in charge a lot longer than three weeks.

[CPUd]

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https://twitter.com/nycjim/status/830881248281231360

[nikcers]

It certainly feels like he has been in charge a lot longer than three weeks.

Reince Priebus?

[seapilot]

Rampant voter fraud! Eight claimed- four identified. Three said they voted for their spouse- one said he only sent in his own. King County has 1.2 million registered voters.



It does happen, but it is extremely rare. Nothing near the three million illegal immigrants voting Trump tried to claim. Most "evidence" is just poor paperwork.

It is rare because hardly anyone is actively looking for it.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/voter-fraud-real-heres-proof/#disqus_thread


Further, the Brennan Center report argues that because prosecutor Kris Kobach’s review of 84 million votes cast in 22 states found only 14 instances of fraud referred for prosecution (which amounts to a 0.00000017 percent fraud rate), voter fraud is so statistically small that it’s a non-issue. Let’s follow this logic. Does the fact that 109 people were cited for jaywalking in Seattle in 2009 mean that only 109 people jaywalked in Seattle that year? Does the fact that 103,733 people were cited for driving without a seatbelt in Tennessee in 2015 mean that only that many people were driving without seatbelt in Tennessee in 2015?

Absolutely not. This can be proven easily because in 2014, the previous year, only 29,470 people were cited. The disparity is largely due to increased enforcement efforts in 2015. In other words, increasing enforcement of the crime revealed a much larger number of people committing the crime.

The exact same is true for voter fraud. We have no reason to believe that the low number of prosecutions means only that exact amount of voter fraud is happening. Rather, it could mean a lack of enforcement is failing to reveal the bulk of the violations that are occurring. Thus, as with many types of crimes, especially victimless crimes, the real number of cases is likely significantly higher than the number reported.

[Zippyjuan]

It is rare because hardly anyone is actively looking for it.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/voter-fraud-real-heres-proof/#disqus_thread

You mean that more people have committed jaywalking in Seattle than have committed voter fraud in the entire country?

[JK/SEA]

Some interesting numbers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/02/12/mixed-into-his-falsehoods-on-voter-fraud-stephen-miller-did-hit-on-one-truth/?utm_term=.7fecc91a1fb4





They did find two examples in a ten year period.

libertarians for GJ cost Trump the popular vote.

[UWDude]

Ohio woman sent to jail for false voter registrations, including dead people


LISBON, Ohio -- A woman who pleaded guilty to falsely registering dozens of people to vote, including some who were dead, was sentenced Monday to six months in prison, reports say.

Rebecca Hammonds, 34, of East Liverpool, pleaded guilty last month to 13 felony counts of making a false registration and one felony count of election falsification, wcpo.com reports. All are fifth-degree felonies. She originally had faced 35 counts.

Five of the names on the false registrations were for deceased people.

[Zippyjuan]

Ohio woman sent to jail for false voter registrations, including dead people

You left off a link: http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/03/ohio_woman_sent_to_jail_for_fa.html


Hammonds said she falsified the registrations because she was worried about losing her job if she didn't reach a quota set by the group, something the liberal-leaning organization denies.

"It was an hourly pay wage job and this defendant felt it was easier to sign up people falsely," Special Prosecutor Brian Deckert tells wkbn.com. "I think it just may have come down to human laziness."

No evidence that anybody even tried to vote using those names.