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Zippyjuan
02-09-2017, 02:06 PM
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/09/514310174/thousand-more-troops-needed-to-break-afghanistan-stalemate-general-warns



Thousands more troops and billions more dollars are needed to break the war in Afghanistan out of a "stalemate," the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan warned Congress on Thursday.

Army Gen. John Nicholson also told the Senate Armed Services Committee that outside powers have increased their meddling in Afghanistan over the past year, especially Russia, in ways that make it tougher for the U.S.-backed government in Kabul to make and keep gains against insurgents.

That's why the U.S. and its allies must send more troops and spend more money to help the Afghan military become more effective at attacking and defeating its enemies and keeping control of the ground they capture.

"Offensive capability is what will break the stalemate in Afghanistan," Nicholson said. He did not detail exactly how many additional troops are needed.

The general's testimony launched America's seldom-discussed, longest-running war back onto front pages. The conflict has been going badly but has been largely overshadowed by the historic presidential campaign and inauguration of President Trump.

The new administration's policy on Afghanistan is a question mark; it seldom came up during the election. When Trump visited the military headquarters at U.S. Central Command responsible for the war on Monday, he did not mention it. Nicholson's high profile warnings to Congress on Thursday put Afghanistan back at the top of the agenda for Trump and national security adviser Mike Flynn.

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain, R-Ariz., complained bitterly Thursday that the deadlock Nicholson described was the fault of former President Barack Obama. In 2012, Obama decided to settle for "Afghan good enough," leading to a steady withdrawal of American combat troops.

There are still more than 13,000 NATO troops — including 8,400 U.S. service members — deployed to Afghanistan, but McCain said he's been warning all along that the force is too small.

What Nicholson called a stalemate, McCain said, "was predicted — predicted — by those of us who know something about warfare."

Afghanistan is dealing with many of its same longstanding problems. Its weak, often shambolic central government cannot survive without heavy international financial support. Its military, which Nicholson said is improving, cannot win decisively against insurgents in key places or contested ground — and takes such heavy combat losses that it cannot get up to its full authorized strength.

Nicholson urged Congress to increase support for Afghanistan's U.S.-supplied and trained air force, which he said would help it turn the tide.

Even so, the Taliban's leaders can still repair to their safe havens in the tribal areas of neighboring Pakistan. They enjoy protection from the criminal Haqqani Network in places such as Quetta, out of the reach of major U.S. combat power.

Some challenges are new, however: Iran has begun to support the Taliban in Western Afghanistan, Nicholson said, and it's also recruiting Shiite Afghans to join its campaigns against the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq. Meanwhile, ISIS also wants to spread roots inside Afghanistan itself. The Kabul government is fighting a nascent ISIS presence as it also fights the Taliban, but Nicholson said Russia has begun claiming that isn't so.

Moscow has begun "a public effort to legitimize the Taliban," Nicholson said, that is aimed at undermining Kabul among its own citizens and warning neighboring countries that ISIS could spill over into their nations as it did in the Levant.

"This is a false narrative," Nicholson told senators. He alluded to "reports" about Russia supporting the Taliban directly. Later, he added: "I believe its intent is to undermine the United States and NATO."

He pointed out that U.S. and Afghan forces have killed a number of ISIS leaders in Afghanistan, as well as terror bosses from al-Qaida, who continue to use ungoverned spaces there to plot attacks as they did before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The counterterror mission is working, Nicholson said. That has the troops, drones and resources needed. But he said the U.S. and NATO need to send more troops to continue training Afghanistan's regular troops, so they can resist the Taliban's attacks, keep control of territory and reverse the "stalemate."

AngryCanadian
02-09-2017, 02:08 PM
Oh really? so after 20 years of failure they are blaming Afghanistan failures on Russia again? really? are they stupid?


Moscow has begun "a public effort to legitimize the Taliban," Nicholson said
An militia group which was made by the US gov during the 80s.

Even if America sends a Thousands more troops the taliban wont end.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
02-09-2017, 02:09 PM
Why do you keep posting these stories? You have no interest in real discussion. You are not here to learn anything. You do not post to support the site's mission. Almost all of your posts (except for football and music) are contrary. You've been making contrary posts to everyone for 9 nine years to be disruptive. Tell me why.

Zippyjuan
02-09-2017, 02:12 PM
Why do you keep posting these stories? You have no interest in real discussion. You are not here to learn anything. You do not post to support the site's mission. Almost all of your posts (except for football and music) are contrary. You've been making contrary posts to everyone for 9 nine years to be disruptive. Tell me why.

Thank you for your informative contribution to the thread.

Zippyjuan
02-09-2017, 02:13 PM
Oh really? so after 20 years of failure they are blaming Afghanistan failures on Russia again? really? are they stupid?


An militia group which was made by the US gov during the 80s.

Even if America sends a Thousands more troops the taliban wont end.

Taliban did emerge during the failed Russia occupation of Afghanistan.

oyarde
02-09-2017, 02:28 PM
Leave Afghanistan . Now .

Origanalist
02-09-2017, 02:33 PM
Leave Afghanistan . Now .

The wars we have now are not meant to end.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
02-09-2017, 02:43 PM
Thank you for your informative contribution to the thread.

Thank you for your contribution to this site.

AngryCanadian
02-09-2017, 03:30 PM
Taliban did emerge during the failed Russia occupation of Afghanistan.

Yes because the west helped them grow.

Brian4Liberty
02-09-2017, 04:40 PM
Leave Afghanistan . Now .

Absolutely. Not a penny more. Let them break up into a bunch of smaller states.

Brian4Liberty
02-09-2017, 04:45 PM
Yes because the west helped them grow.

Support of the radical Salafis in Afghanistan ranks right up there with big mistakes of the century. After the Soviets left, the Saudi Salafists pumped money into Afghanistan to further radicalize them (and Pakistan) especially via Salafi Madrasas. Our great partners.

AZJoe
02-10-2017, 05:11 PM
Because Fifteen plus years and trillions of dollars for the MIC just isn't enough. One more year, and thousands more troops is just what is needed [to keep your money flowing to the MIC]. After all, you struggling working class Americans certainly have nothing better to spend your money on.
Sure all of our past promises were false, and we've fed you lie after lie, year after year. But this time it will be a cakewalk for sure. Trust us.

enhanced_deficit
02-10-2017, 05:17 PM
Thousands could still prolong the war for too long, millions of troops are really needed to wrap up the war within next few decades.
Do we really need our grandchildrens also to be asked to remove their shoes before boarding plains and tranes? Wars are supposed to be short.

Ender
02-10-2017, 05:18 PM
Because Fifteen plus years and trillions of dollars for the MIC just isn't enough. One more year, and thousands more troops is just what is needed [to keep your money flowing to the MIC]. After all, you struggling working class Americans certainly have nothing better to spend your money on.
Sure all of our past promises were false, and we've fed you lie after lie, year after year. But this time it will be a cakewalk for sure. Trust us.

But, but, we got dat WoD to grow our gangs and feed dem inner city folk-

Uriel999
02-10-2017, 08:01 PM
Absolutely. Not a penny more. Let them break up into a bunch of smaller states.

Yes about getting out.

However, in regards to states...It doesn't work that way in Afghanistan.

Outside of Kabul there is no government. No national identity. It is simply tribes. Some are nomadic. Some are not. Most practice Islam but not all. They also have many languages although Dari and Pashtu are the main ones. They will never be states, but are a primative people living not too differently than when the pedophile pirate "prophet" lived.

These are people that quite literally rape livestock. The possibility of states is simply impossible there. They should simply be left alone to molest their children, beat their women and live their subsistence lives killing each other because they practice the wrong form of Islam.

presence
02-10-2017, 08:20 PM
because they were being taxed to pay for provisions and barracks for the army (http://www.historyisfun.org/blog/quartering-act-of-1765/)

AngryCanadian
02-10-2017, 08:27 PM
Because Fifteen plus years and trillions of dollars for the MIC just isn't enough. One more year, and thousands more troops is just what is needed [to keep your money flowing to the MIC]. After all, you struggling working class Americans certainly have nothing better to spend your money on.
Sure all of our past promises were false, and we've fed you lie after lie, year after year. But this time it will be a cakewalk for sure. Trust us.

Maybe they should send Sen John McCain kids to the frontlines! after all that man loves wars and destruction.

AngryCanadian
02-10-2017, 08:28 PM
Yes about getting out.

However, in regards to states...It doesn't work that way in Afghanistan.

Outside of Kabul there is no government. No national identity. It is simply tribes. Some are nomadic. Some are not. Most practice Islam but not all. They also have many languages although Dari and Pashtu are the main ones. They will never be states, but are a primative people living not too differently than when the pedophile pirate "prophet" lived.

These are people that quite literally rape livestock. The possibility of states is simply impossible there. They should simply be left alone to molest their children, beat their women and live their subsistence lives killing each other because they practice the wrong form of Islam.

Whats more troubling.Taliban are becoming a political power house in some parts of Afghanistan so there's not a chance now that western countries can beat the Taliban with more boots on the ground.

Uriel999
02-10-2017, 08:37 PM
Whats more troubling.Taliban are becoming a political power house in some parts of Afghanistan so there's not a chance now that western countries can beat the Taliban with more boots on the ground.

Wait...you mean we can't just drone them into freedom?

AngryCanadian
02-10-2017, 09:35 PM
Wait...you mean we can't just drone them into freedom?

Haven't we being trying to do that for 20 years now?

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