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Keith and stuff
02-09-2017, 10:39 AM
The New Hampshire House just voted 200 to 97 to pass the best Constitutional Carry bill in the nation. Senate Bill 12 was the first bill the New Hampshire Senate heard this year. It passed the Senate and moved to the House. Senate Bill 12 was the first Senate bill the New Hampshire House voted on. Bills with the exact same text passed in 2015 and 2016 but were vetoed by the former governor. Since the Governor of New Hampshire, Senate leadership, and House leadership campaigned on this issue, they fast tracked it. The bill becomes law as soon as the governor signs it.

Keith and stuff
02-09-2017, 11:17 AM
Update with photo of the vote total.
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Source https://www.facebook.com/FreeStateProject.org/photos/a.172188502824404.34847.147390698637518/1401626716547237/?type=3&theater

Anti Federalist
02-09-2017, 04:50 PM
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Stanleybolten
02-10-2017, 08:48 AM
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Well if people can lawfully carry guns in what used to be gun-free zones, then the school shootings and mall shootings would end.

The reason people end up dead in the mass shootings is because the victims are unarmed. If at least even one law abiding citizen carries a gun where a madman starts a shootout, then the law abiding citizen can shoot the mass shooter before the death toll even rises, thus saving lives.

Concealed carry, or even allowing guns at Colleges, can prevent the mass shootings that go on there.

More guns equals less crime.

presence
02-10-2017, 09:54 AM
Bill Text: NH SB12 | 2017 | Regular Session | Introduced

New Hampshire (https://legiscan.com/NH) Senate Bill 12


NH State Legislature page for SB12 (http://gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/bill_status.aspx?lsr=140&sy=2017&sortoption=&txtsessionyear=2017&txtbillnumber=SB12)


Summary (https://legiscan.com/NH/bill/SB12/2017)
Sponsors (https://legiscan.com/NH/sponsors/SB12/2017)
Texts (https://legiscan.com/NH/drafts/SB12/2017)
Votes (https://legiscan.com/NH/votes/SB12/2017)
Research (https://legiscan.com/NH/research/SB12/2017)
Comments (https://legiscan.com/NH/comments/SB12/2017)
Track (https://legiscan.com/gaits/monitor)





Introduced (https://legiscan.com/NH/text/SB12/id/1442360)


Bill Title: Repealing the licensing requirement for carrying a concealed pistol or revolver.

Spectrum: Partisan Bill (Republican 19-0)

Status: (Engrossed) 2017-02-09 - Reconsider SB 12 (Rep. Hinch): Motion Failed Voice Vote 02/09/2017 [SB12 Detail] (https://legiscan.com/NH/bill/SB12/2017)

Download: New_Hampshire-2017-SB12-Introduced.html (https://legiscan.com/NH/text/SB12/id/1442360/New_Hampshire-2017-SB12-Introduced.html) SB 12-FN - AS INTRODUCED


2017 SESSION
17-0140
04/09

SENATE BILL 12-FN

AN ACT repealing the licensing requirement for carrying a concealed pistol or revolver.

SPONSORS: Sen. Bradley, Dist 3; Sen. Avard, Dist 12; Sen. Birdsell, Dist 19; Sen. Carson, Dist 14; Sen. Daniels, Dist 11; Sen. Gannon, Dist 23; Sen. Giuda, Dist 2; Sen. Gray, Dist 6; Sen. Innis, Dist 24; Sen. Morse, Dist 22; Sen. Reagan, Dist 17; Sen. Sanborn, Dist 9; Sen. Ward, Dist 8; Rep. Itse, Rock. 10; Rep. Spillane, Rock. 2; Rep. Pearl, Merr. 26; Rep. Hinch, Hills. 21; Rep. Harrington, Straf. 3

COMMITTEE: Judiciary

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ANALYSIS

This bill:

I. Increases the length of time for which a license to carry a pistol or revolver is valid.

II. Allows a person to carry a loaded, concealed pistol or revolver without a license unless such person is otherwise prohibited by New Hampshire statute.

III. Requires the director of the division of state police to negotiate and enter into agreements with other jurisdictions to recognize in those jurisdictions the validity of the license to carry issued in this state.

IV. Repeals the requirement to obtain a license to carry a concealed pistol or revolver.

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Explanation: Matter added to current law appears in bold italics.
Matter removed from current law appears [in brackets and struckthrough.]
Matter which is either (a) all new or (b) repealed and reenacted appears in regular type.
17-0140
04/09

STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE

In the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand Seventeen

AN ACT repealing the licensing requirement for carrying a concealed pistol or revolver.

Be it Enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Court convened:

1 Pistols and Revolvers; License to Carry. Amend RSA 159:6 to read as follows:
159:6 License to Carry.
I.(a) The selectmen of a town, the mayor or chief of police of a city or a full-time police officer designated by them respectively, the county sheriff for a resident of an unincorporated place, or the county sheriff if designated by the selectmen of a town that has no police chief, upon application of any resident of such town, city, or unincorporated place, or the director of state police, or some person designated by such director, upon application of a nonresident, shall issue a license to such applicant authorizing the applicant to carry a loaded pistol or revolver in this state for not less than [4] 5 years from the date of issue, if it appears that the applicant has good reason to fear injury to the applicant’s person or property or has any proper purpose, [and that the applicant is a suitable person to be licensed] unless the applicant is prohibited by New Hampshire or federal statute from possessing a firearm. Hunting, target shooting, or self-defense shall be considered a proper purpose. The license shall be valid for all allowable purposes regardless of the purpose for which it was originally issued.
(b) The license shall be in duplicate and shall bear the name, address, description, and signature of the licensee. The original shall be delivered to the licensee and the duplicate shall be preserved by the people issuing the same for [4] 5 years. When required, license renewal shall take place within the month of the [fourth] fifth anniversary of the license holder’s date of birth following the date of issuance. The license shall be issued within 14 days after application, and, if such application is denied, the reason for such denial shall be stated in writing, the original of which such writing shall be delivered to the applicant, and a copy kept in the office of the person to whom the application was made. The fee for licenses issued to residents of the state shall be $10, which fee shall be for the use of the town or city granting said licenses; the fee for licenses granted to out-of-state residents shall be $100, which fee shall be for the use of the state. The director of state police is hereby authorized and directed to prepare forms for the licenses required under this chapter and forms for the application for such licenses and to supply the same to officials of the cities and towns authorized to issue the licenses. The form shall require no more information than was required on the state of New Hampshire application for pistol/revolver license, form DSSP 85, as revised in December 2009. No other forms shall be used by officials of cities and towns. The cost of the forms shall be paid out of the fees received from nonresident licenses.
II. No photograph or fingerprint shall be required or used as a basis to grant, deny, or renew a license to carry for a resident or nonresident, unless requested by the applicant.
III. The availability of a license to carry a loaded pistol or revolver under this section or under any other provision of law shall not be construed to impose a prohibition on the unlicensed transport or carry of a firearm in a vehicle, or on or about one’s person, whether openly or concealed, loaded or unloaded, by a resident, nonresident, or alien if that individual is not otherwise prohibited by statute from possessing a firearm in the state of New Hampshire.
2 Pistols and Revolvers; Reciprocity. RSA 159:6-d is repealed and reenacted to read as follows:
159:6-d Reciprocity. The director of the division of state police shall negotiate and enter into reciprocal agreements with other jurisdictions to recognize in those jurisdictions the validity of the license issued under RSA 159:6. The director shall apply to every jurisdiction with which New Hampshire does not have a reciprocity agreement, at least once every 5 years to obtain recognition in those jurisdictions of the license issued under RSA 159:6. Any such agreement executed shall not expire unless an expiration date is required under the statutes of the reciprocal jurisdiction.
3 Repeal. RSA 159:4, relative to requiring a license to carry a concealed pistol or revolver, is repealed.
4 Effective Date. This act shall take effect upon its passage.

LBAO
17-0140
12/30/16

SB 12-FN- FISCAL NOTE
AS INTRODUCED

AN ACT repealing the licensing requirement for carrying a concealed pistol or revolver.

FISCAL IMPACT: [ X ] State [ X ] County [ X ] Local [ ] None







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FY 2021


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Expenditures
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COUNTY:






Revenue
$0
$0
$0
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Expenditures
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LOCAL:






Revenue
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Expenditures
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METHODOLOGY:
This bill increases the length of time for which a license to carry a pistol or revolver is valid; allows a person to carry a loaded, concealed pistol or revolver without a license unless such person is otherwise prohibited by New Hampshire statute; requires the director of the division of state police to negotiate and enter into agreements with other jurisdictions to recognize in those jurisdictions the validity of the license to carry issued in this state; and repeals the requirement to obtain a license to carry a concealed pistol or revolver.
The State Police Permits and Licensing Unit issued 8,923 non-resident licenses in FY 2016. The four year license at a cost of $100 has generated nearly $1,000,000 of revenue deposited into the general fund in each of the last three fiscal years. The repeal of RSA 159:4 and the proposed change from a four year license to a five year license in RSA 159:6 would result in a significant decline in general fund revenue. Although a non-resident pistol license would still be available under the proposed law, and would extend the expiration from one year to five years, it would not be required under the amended version of RSA 159:6. Therefore, it would be highly likely that the number of licenses issued would drop dramatically and result in a significant reduction of revenue to the general fund, likely to be close to the total amount of revenue currently received. There would be less permits to issue, therefore, there would be an expenditure decrease as less resources would be needed. However, the amount of revenue decrease is indeterminable, and as a result, the associated amount of the expenditure decrease is also indeterminable.
NH resident pistol licenses are issued locally with a cost of $10 for a four-year license. This revenue total is indeterminable as there is no mechanism in place to track and obtain this figure. Currently, this revenue is designated for the use of the local law enforcement agencies. The amendment to RSA 159:6 extends the expiration of this license by one year, and as with non-resident pistol licenses, the need to obtain a resident pistol license would be obsolete other than for the purpose of utilizing reciprocity agreements within other states. The reenacted version of RSA 159:6 would dramatically reduce this funding source to local cities and towns. The NH Municipal Association states that most municipalities issue between 20 to 400 licenses annually, with smaller towns issuing fewer and larger cities issuing more. Cities like Manchester and Nashua typically issue about 1,500 resident pistol licenses each year. They would potentially also require less resources towards issuance of permits, however, the amount is unknown due to the revenue decrease being indeterminable.

This bill also removes penalties that may have an impact on the New Hampshire judicial and correctional systems. There is no method to determine how many charges will not be brought as a result of the changes contained in this bill to determine the fiscal impact on expenditures. However, the entities impacted have provided the potential costs associated with these penalties below.



Judicial Branch
FY 2018
FY 2019


Class B Misdemeanor
$49
$50


Class A Misdemeanor
$71
$72


Routine Criminal Felony Case
$451
$456


Appeals
Varies
Varies


It should be noted average case cost estimates for FY 2018 and FY 2019 are based on data that is more than ten years old and does not reflect changes to the courts over that same period of time or the impact these changes may have on processing the various case types. An unspecified misdemeanor can be either class A or class B, with the presumption being a class B misdemeanor.


Department of Corrections




FY 2016 Average Cost of Incarcerating an Individual
$35,832
$35,832


FY 2016 Average Cost of Supervising an Individual on Parole/Probation
$573
$573


NH Association of Counties




County Prosecution Costs
Indeterminable
Indeterminable


Estimated Average Daily Cost of Incarcerating an Individual
$85 to $110
$85 to $110



The Judicial Council assumes the indigent delivery system handles an insignificant number of concealed carry cases that are not accompanied by some other criminal offense that trigger the right to appointed counsel at the State's expense. Therefore, the Council does not anticipate this bill will have an impact on the Council's expenditures.

Many offenses are prosecuted by local and county prosecutors. When the Department of Justice has prosecutorial responsibility or is involved in an appeal, the Department would likely absorb the cost within its existing budget. Therefore, it is not anticipated this bill will impact the Department's expenditures.

AGENCIES CONTACTED:
Judicial Branch, Departments of Safety, Corrections and Justice, Judicial Council, New Hampshire Association of Counties, New Hampshire Municipal Association


https://legiscan.com/NH/text/SB12/2017

phill4paul
02-10-2017, 01:16 PM
Congrats. N.C. has one in the works. I don't know how far it will get and the are still plenty of restrictions.


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Ten North Carolina Republican legislators want handgun owners to be able to carry their weapons concealed without a permit.

House Bill 69, the “Constitution Carry Act,” would remove the concealed-carry permit requirement for handguns, but not for larger firearms.

A handgun is defined by the bill as “a firearm that has a short stock and is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand.” Any U.S. citizen 18 years or older would be able to carry a concealed handgun under the proposed legislation unless otherwise disallowed by state or federal law.

In North Carolina, concealed carry of a handgun without a permit is a Class 2 misdemeanor for a first offense and a Class H felony for a subsequent offense.

Lawmakers proposed lifting permit requirements last year in the form of a constitutional amendment that would go to voters for consideration, but it never received a hearing.

Concealed carry of handguns still would have some limitations if the bill were to pass.

It would be illegal to concealed carry or have a dangerous weapon at all if the person is participating in, affiliated with or present as a spectator at a parade or funeral.

It also would be illegal to concealed carry a handgun in: any place where alcoholic drinks are sold and consumed and where firearms are not allowed; on the premises of the State Capitol, Governor’s Mansion or Western Residence of the governor; in courthouses; at picket lines and certain demonstrations; and some other areas.

Under the bill, it would be illegal to concealed carry while drinking alcohol, or any time while the carrier has any alcohol or controlled substance in their system.

Concealed carriers would also have to keep an identification on them at all times, disclose to any law enforcement officer who approaches or addresses them that they are carrying a concealed handgun, and show the officer their ID upon request.

A “conspicuous notice or statement” posted by the property owner would be required to prevent someone from concealed carrying on their property. Law enforcement would be an exception to this limitation.

It would still be illegal to concealed carry a bowie knife, dirk, dagger, sling shot, loaded cane, metal knuckles, razor, shuriken, stun gun or other deadly weapons except on a person’s private property. Pocket knives that cannot be opened by “a throwing, explosive or spring action” are permitted.

Some gun owners still may want to consider obtaining a concealed handgun permit, according to the bill, since it makes it more convenient to concealed carry when traveling outside North Carolina and makes buying a firearm more efficient.

The bill’s sponsors include Reps. Larry G. Pittman of Concord, Michael Speciale of New Bern, Beverly G. Boswell of Dare County and Jay Adams of Hickory.

Calls and emails to the bill’s primary sponsors were not immediately returned Thursday.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article131771434.html#storylink=cpy

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article131771434.html

Keith and stuff
02-10-2017, 07:22 PM
Congrats. N.C. has one in the works. I don't know how far it will get and the are still plenty of restrictions.


It took us many years to get this in NH. We had the cleanest Constitutional Carry bill ever in NH in the 2011/2012 session. However, the NRA came in, said it was too pro-liberty, and demanded we add restrictions. The Republican senators throw up their hands at the confusion and the bill died. We finally told the NRA to stop trying to push the gun control that Republicans pass in other states on us. In 2015 and 2016, we passed the cleanest Constitutional Carry bill in both legislative bodies, only to have the governor veto the bills. This time we got a governor that campaigned in favor of CC. It is still the cleanest bill. We have no age restriction. We have no residency restriction. We have no duty to inform the police restriction. It was a long journey but we are about to be the model all hardcore gun activists want to follow. Right now there are zero states with clean Constitutional Carry and a license/permit still in place for those wishing to carry outside of the state, but there is about to be one :) Pretty soon the border states of VT/NH will be the only states with what mean people really consider to be CC ;)

Anti Federalist
02-10-2017, 07:37 PM
It took us many years to get this in NH. We had the cleanest Constitutional Carry bill ever in NH in the 2011/2012 session. However, the NRA came in, said it was too pro-liberty, and demanded we add restrictions. The Republican senators throw up their hands at the confusion and the bill died. We finally told the NRA to stop trying to push the gun control that Republicans pass in other states on us. In 2015 and 2016, we passed the cleanest Constitutional Carry bill in both legislative bodies, only to have the governor veto the bills. This time we got a governor that campaigned in favor of CC. It is still the cleanest bill. We have no age restriction. We have no residency restriction. We have no duty to inform the police restriction. It was a long journey but we are about to be the model all hardcore gun activists want to follow. Right now there are zero states with clean Constitutional Carry and a license/permit still in place for those wishing to carry outside of the state, but there is about to be one :) Pretty soon the border states of VT/NH will be the only states with what mean people really consider to be CC ;)

Maine as well.

All three northern New England states will all be CC.

Keith and stuff
02-10-2017, 08:02 PM
Maine as well.

All three northern New England states will all be CC.

The Maine law isn't clean. Don't get me wrong, it isn't as flawed as the Wyoming law, but it has two problems. It has an age restriction, plus there is a duty to tell the police if they pull you over while driving and you are carrying concealed but don't have a license/permit to conceal carry. But Maine had a Democrat house when it passed, so it needed to be highly watered down to get passed. I understand why Maine doesn't have a clean bill. All of the other states passed it with a GOP house and GOP senate.

phill4paul
02-10-2017, 09:01 PM
It took us many years to get this in NH. We had the cleanest Constitutional Carry bill ever in NH in the 2011/2012 session. However, the NRA came in, said it was too pro-liberty, and demanded we add restrictions. The Republican senators throw up their hands at the confusion and the bill died. We finally told the NRA to stop trying to push the gun control that Republicans pass in other states on us. In 2015 and 2016, we passed the cleanest Constitutional Carry bill in both legislative bodies, only to have the governor veto the bills. This time we got a governor that campaigned in favor of CC. It is still the cleanest bill. We have no age restriction. We have no residency restriction. We have no duty to inform the police restriction. It was a long journey but we are about to be the model all hardcore gun activists want to follow. Right now there are zero states with clean Constitutional Carry and a license/permit still in place for those wishing to carry outside of the state, but there is about to be one :) Pretty soon the border states of VT/NH will be the only states with what mean people really consider to be CC ;)

Outstanding.