Is Obama a killer?

[enhanced_deficit]

While it is very important to label/hold accountable foreign killers, "charity begins at home" doctrine demands that same be done for "domestic killers".
Where do you stand on this issue?


Related

O'Reilly "putin is a killer!" Trump "america is not so innocent" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?507232-O-Reilly-quot-putin-is-a-killer%21-quot-Trump-quot-america-is-not-so-innocent-quot&)

[nikcers]

Are you asking if the president is a drone gangster puppet? I think a better question is has this fact changed since we got a new president?

[TheCount]

I wasn't sure if he was or not, but then I saw him wearing a backwards baseball cap and I knew he was a killer.

[enhanced_deficit]

Alternate poll question would be, "Did moderate neocon Bill O'Really pal around with a killer?".

http://static2.blastingnews.com/media/photogallery/2016/7/26/290x290/b_290x290/5_1_2014_2013oreilly8201-jpg-washington-times-washingtontimes-com_804485.jpg




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Cornel West Calls Obama a 'War Criminal' That Kills Children
▶ 0:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8HWy90_jSo
Aug 4, 2014

http://media.salon.com/2016/01/barack_obama_crying2.jpg
"Every Time I Think About Those Kids It Gets Me Mad"
Obama Tears Up



From: Civil Rights Icon and War Criminals Enabler John Lewis says Trump not a 'legitimate' prez (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506292-Suspected-War-Criminals-enabler-JL-to-skip-inauguration-says-Trump-not-a-legitimate-prez&)

[brushfire]

He's a killer...

[nikcers]

Alternate poll question would be, "Did moderate neocon Bill O'Really pal around with a killer?".

I remember when RPF thought O'really* was a neocon. I guess if you compare his foreign policy to Trump its a lot more moderate.

[Zippyjuan]

http://www.bokbluster.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/120329bok-open-mic-missile-defense.jpg

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/4319666/images/o-PUTIN-TRUMP-KISS-LITHUANIA-facebook.jpg

[Ender]

While it is very important to label/hold accountable foreign killers, "charity begins at home" doctrine demands that same be done for "domestic killers".
Where do you stand on this issue?


Related

O'Reilly "putin is a killer!" Trump "america is not so innocent" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?507232-O-Reilly-quot-putin-is-a-killer%21-quot-Trump-quot-america-is-not-so-innocent-quot&)

Lessee....

Was Zachary Taylor? Lincoln? Teddy Roosevelt? FDR? Truman? Johnson? Clinton? Bush? etc., etc., etc.,

I realize you have an Obama hate-thing but how about some perspective?

[enhanced_deficit]

I remember when RPF thought O'really* was a neocon. I guess if you compare his foreign policy to Trump its a lot more moderate.

"While it is important to evaluate 8 days of DJT's Presidency, until DGP puppet return his Nobel Peace Prize, 8 years of his bloody legacy can and should be continued to be evaluated."


From: Barack Obama's Now Mainly Focusing on Wearing This Casual Backwards Hat (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?507139-Barack-Obama-s-Now-Mainly-Focusing-on-Wearing-This-Casual-Backwards-Hat&)

[CPUd]

https://i.imgur.com/acg4Rnb.jpg

[69360]

Of course Obama is a killer. Every president in history has been a killer. It's part of the job description to order the deaths of others. Sometimes it was justified, usually it wasn't.

[enhanced_deficit]

CPUd, where you stand on non-fake news?

Based on Hersh article, Obama lied about Osama (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?474449-Based-on-Hersh-article-Obama-lied-about-Osama&)

Majority of Americans now believe Obama is "dishonest and untrustworthy" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?433586-Majority-of-Americans-now-believe-Obama-is-quot-dishonest-and-untrustworthy-quot&)



Related
Donald Trump: President Barack Obama 'Is the Founder of ISIS' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?499292-Donald-Trump-President-Barack-Obama-Is-the-Founder-of-ISIS&)

[enhanced_deficit]

Of course Obama is a killer. Every president in history has been a killer....

The question is why Media neocons use this term for foreign killers but not for domestic ones.

O'Reilly "putin is a killer!"

[69360]

The question is why Media neocons use this term for foreign killers but not for domestic ones.

O'Reilly "putin is a killer!"

Oh the media called American presidents killers plenty. Bush 2 was a killer. LBJ was a baby killer.

[enhanced_deficit]

Oh the media called American presidents killers plenty. Bush 2 was a killer. LBJ was a baby killer.


You are right if you are suggesting that media called Bush and other presidents "killers". But almost never the term was used in case of Obama, not sure if out of respect for his Nobel Peace Prize or some other reason but it is strange.


https://www.google.com/#q=Putin+is+a+killer+site:washingtonpost.com
"Putin is a killer" site:washingtonpost.com

1054 results found for "Putin is a killer"




https://www.google.com/#q=Bush+is+a+killer+site:washingtonpost.com
"Bush is a killer" site:washingtonpost.com

4 results results found for "Bush is a killer"



https://www.google.com/#q=Obama+is+a+killer+site:washingtonpost.com
"Obama is a killer" site:washingtonpost.com

No results found for "Obama is a killer"

[klamath]

You are right if you are suggesting that media called Bush and other presidents "killers". But almost never the term was used in case of Obama, not sure if out of respect for his Nobel Peace Prize or some other reason but it is strange.


https://www.google.com/#q=Putin+is+a+killer+site:washingtonpost.com
"Putin is a killer" site:washingtonpost.com

1054 results found for "Putin is a killer"




https://www.google.com/#q=Bush+is+a+killer+site:washingtonpost.com
"Bush is a killer" site:washingtonpost.com

4 results results found for "Bush is a killer"



https://www.google.com/#q=Obama+is+a+killer+site:washingtonpost.com
"Obama is a killer" site:washingtonpost.com

No results found for "Obama is a killer" You won't on the Washington post. They are in the pockets democrats. A general google search will return results for Obama is a killer.

[klamath]

Personally has he killed anyone? Doubt it. Has Putin, Obama and Trump ordered the killing of people? Without a doubt.

[pcosmar]

Personally has he killed anyone? Doubt it. Has Putin, Obama and Trump ordered the killing of people? Without a doubt.

So,,where is responsibility?
Is one who ordered the hit guilty?

How about one who paid for it,, hired the killer.

who is responsible?

[klamath]

So,,where is responsibility?
Is one who ordered the hit guilty?

How about one who paid for it,, hired the killer.

who is responsible?
Personally I would say yes they are responsible. It has gotten a lot more intimate in recent years with personally signed off presidential drone strikes and special ops strikes.

[timosman]

CPUd, where you stand on non-fake news?

Based on Hersh article, Obama lied about Osama (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?474449-Based-on-Hersh-article-Obama-lied-about-Osama&)

Majority of Americans now believe Obama is "dishonest and untrustworthy" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?433586-Majority-of-Americans-now-believe-Obama-is-quot-dishonest-and-untrustworthy-quot&)



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Donald Trump: President Barack Obama 'Is the Founder of ISIS' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?499292-Donald-Trump-President-Barack-Obama-Is-the-Founder-of-ISIS&)

In case you have not noticed CPUd never replies to direct questions.

[anaconda]

You won't on the Washington post. They are in the pockets democrats.

Seems to me like The Washington (Com)Post is in the pockets of the globalist banking cabal, for which the Republican and Democratic Parties are simply coequal public relations firms.

This thread is killer.

[dude58677]

Ha! 12-0! Looks like a guilty verdict!:D

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

Seems to me like The Washington (Com)Post is in the pockets of the globalist banking cabal, for which the Republican and Democratic Parties are simply coequal public relations firms.

ya think ?

you mighta forgot about every other major news source, but noting that one gets you some rep

[oyarde]

I voted .

[pcosmar]

Personally I would say yes they are responsible. It has gotten a lot more intimate in recent years with personally signed off presidential drone strikes and special ops strikes.
Who hired them?
Who pays them?

More folks are responsibly than are talking on the TV.

[DisneyFan]

Of course he is.

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

https://i.imgur.com/acg4Rnb.jpg

you might be one of the 3 people that actually believes that crock.

[anaconda]

ya think ?

you mighta forgot about every other major news source, but noting that one gets you some rep

Of course you are correct. But I was simply responding to the assertion that the Washington ComPost is "in the pockets of the Democrats."

[Zippyjuan]

Obama's a killer. Putin is a killer. Trump is a killer. None of them directly killed anyone but ordered others to kill. Anybody who voted for spending a dollar on the military is technically a killer- which would include Rand Paul (Ron always voted against any spending bill).

[timosman]

Obama's a killer. Putin is a killer. Trump is a killer. None of them directly killed anyone but ordered others to kill. Anybody who voted for spending a dollar on the military is technically a killer- which would include Rand Paul (Ron always voted against any spending bill).

Is Zippy a killer? - Thank you for providing the answer. :cool:

[Schifference]

Are you asking if the president is a drone gangster puppet? I think a better question is has this fact changed since we got a new president?

I don't think the new president is in denial in regards to killing people.

[shakey1]

Of course Obama is a killer. Every president in history has been a killer. It's part of the job description to order the deaths of others. Sometimes it was justified, usually it wasn't.

Yes, & now made all the easier with Obama's secret kill list, which successive presidents shall inherit... it's the gift that keeps on giving.

http://www.batr.org/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/BeFunky_FeaturedEffects_3116.jpg

[timosman]

How much does it cost to have somebody's name put on the kill list? A perfect crime. :rolleyes:

[enhanced_deficit]

You won't on the Washington post. They are in the pockets democrats.

You're right but my primary focus was MSM broadcasts to public, hence used prominent media source as example.

On this, Foxnews.com is only slightly different than WaPo:

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Russian anti-smoking poster likens Obama to mass killer | Fox News
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Feb 18, 2016

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In case you have not noticed CPUd never replies to direct questions.

No biggie, people can be too busy, shy or uninterested in dialog :)

[nikcers]

Is Russia "great"?

[enhanced_deficit]

Every president in history has been a killer.

Even if that is true, not all have been accused of breeding armies of killers to such extent as happened recently.

Why Obama, ISIS, Boko Haram are departing at same time? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506259-Why-Obama-ISIS-Boko-Haram-are-departing-at-same-time&)

[69360]

Even if that is true, not all have been accused of breeding armies of killers to such extent as happened recently.

Why Obama, ISIS, Boko Haram are departing at same time? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506259-Why-Obama-ISIS-Boko-Haram-are-departing-at-same-time&)

Reagan was, both Bushes were, Clinton was for the Balkan wars. You must have selective memory or be young.

[Zippyjuan]

Even if that is true, not all have been accused of breeding armies of killers to such extent as happened recently.

Why Obama, ISIS, Boko Haram are departing at same time? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506259-Why-Obama-ISIS-Boko-Haram-are-departing-at-same-time&)

ISIS and Boko Haram not near gone yet.

[AZJoe]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--pHbs3obg3k/URN9RYS-n1I/AAAAAAAAH7s/1M7yubIw6zE/s400/Obama-Yes-We-Can-Murder-Alexander-Higgins-blog.png

[Leaning Libertarian]

I despise terrorism and terrorist organizations. This being said, Anwar Al-Awlaki was a U.S. Citizen killed overseas by a US Drone strike. He was alleged to be recruiting for a terrorist organization. I think he should have been afforded a court trial before issued a death sentence, as he was not actively engaged as an enemy combatant. If he could not be reached to appear, he should have been given a trial in absentia. He was killed none the less. His teenage son, abdulrahman al-awlaki, was a high school student in Colorado. He went to go look for his dad, and was killed in a separate drone attack. His teenage son was also not engaged as an enemy combatant, but was also given a death sentence. The Obama administration felt it beneath themselves to even provide a justification for the act of killing this US Citizen teenager, they just acknowledged it. I tend to think yes, he is a killer.

[klamath]

The fact that Trump acknowledged that Putin is a killer but has consistently shown great admiration for Putin, leaves any thrill that Trump admits what everyone knows a little ominous. In Trump fashion he wants to make killer states acknowledged and something to be proud of. We are killers and proud of it! Make brutal leaders great again. Make it so people can be proud of brutal leaders and not hide in shame!

[enhanced_deficit]

ISIS and Boko Haram not near gone yet.

They are being wiped out, certainly would not be able to flourish the way they were flourishing with Obama attacking ISIS's enemies whereas Trump allying with ISIS enemies.



Reagan was, both Bushes were, Clinton was for the Balkan wars. You must have selective memory or be young.

Could be both.
Wars waged under the laws of wars create destruction/death also but I saw the scope of this question more along the lines of killing of civilians, unlawful killings, wanton bloodbaths etc.
For example Reagan supported Islamic Jihadis that fought Russian military in Afghanistan, it was not a civilian killer machine like the ISIS type groups that Obama cultivated & fertilized.

Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard Says The U.S. Government Is Directly Funding ISIS And Al Qaeda! (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?505149-Congresswoman-Tulsi-Gabbard-Says-The-U-S-Government-Is-Directly-Funding-ISIS-And-Al-Qaeda%21&)

Obama Years - A Violent Chapter In World History (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?498046-Obama-Years-A-Dark-Chapter-In-World-History&)

Another factor is scale and difference in expectation/perception vs reality; such activities are much more noteworthy for a President who came to power with the mandate to end wars and was awarded Nobel Peace Prize and will be judged politically based on those expectations.

[Ender]

They are being wiped out, certainly would not be able to flourish the way they were flourishing with Obama attacking ISIS's enemies whereas Trump allying with ISIS enemies.




Could be both.
Wars waged under the laws of wars create destruction/death also but I saw the scope of this question more along the lines of killing of civilians, unlawful killings, wanton bloodbaths etc.
For example Reagan supported Islamic Jihadis that fought Russian military in Afghanistan, it was not a civilian killer machine like the ISIS type groups that Obama cultivated & fertilized.

Another factor is scale and difference in expectation/perception vs reality; such activities are much more noteworthy for a President who came to power with the mandate to end wars and was awarded Nobel Peace Prize and will be judged politically based on those expectations.

There has been no constitutional war since WWII. And the "Islamic Jihadis" you speak of was the US support and build up of Al Qaeda. ISIS is just a further build up and has been going on since long before Obama.

[brushfire]

Obama personally ordered the killing of this child, just as he did his father. An American citizen, born in Colorado, 16 years old.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViGUSw6NBVU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulrahman_al-Awlaki

I'm sure there are countless other examples, but this pretty much makes him a "killer" - an "executioner" - even might call him a "murderer".

Now, by my saying this, the US government can murder me as well, while I'm traveling abroad - following the same precedence that was established with Anwar. Say something they dont like, and you can be droned. "...he should have had a more responsible father." -Robert Gibbs

[enhanced_deficit]

If this is confirmed, is he exempt from any trials or some ICC/SCOTUS can try him for killing this American kid.
DGP himself was a big fan of transparency and justice is a big part of it.

[klamath]

Obama personally ordered the killing of this child, just as he did his father. An American citizen, born in Colorado, 16 years old.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViGUSw6NBVU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulrahman_al-Awlaki

I'm sure there are countless other examples, but this pretty much makes him a "killer" - an "executioner" - even might call him a "murderer".

Now, by my saying this, the US government can murder me as well, while I'm traveling abroad - following the same precedence that was established with Anwar. Say something they dont like, and you can be droned. "...he should have had a more responsible father." -Robert Gibbs
And then Trump turns around and kills this American girl.http://www.truthdig.com/images/eartothegrounduploads/Screen_Shot_2017-01-30_at_10.21_.11_AM_.png

[enhanced_deficit]

If this is confirmed, a Nobel Peace Prize should be arranged for Trump also.

[brushfire]

And then Trump turns around and kills this American girl.http://www.truthdig.com/images/eartothegrounduploads/Screen_Shot_2017-01-30_at_10.21_.11_AM_.png

She's actually in the video I posted too. Unfortunately, I dont know all the details on Nora's death. It would not surprise me if Trump had her killed - he did say he would go after families.