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Ender
02-04-2017, 07:52 PM
Margolis.

On the nose, as usual.



Muslims: Keep Out!

By Eric Margolis

February 4, 2017

When I was suffering through advanced infantry training in the US Army many, many moons ago, I learned the Trump negotiating system.

Our dreaded first sergeant, Delmar Creech, would terrorize us, inflict push-ups or latrine detail, and then restrict us to barracks over weekends for some minor infraction.

We hated him with a passion. But then one Friday he strode into the barracks and, with a big smile, said ‘you boys have been good. I’m granting you PX privileges!’

A cheer erupted. We were being allowed to go to the base store to buy candy, cigarettes, and magazines. Suddenly, everyone said, `Sarge ain’t such a bad guy after all.’

This is the secret to Donald Trump’s negotiating tactics: a storm of invective and abuse, followed by some minor concessions. `Trump ain’t such a bad guy after all.’

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We just witnessed this technique used on our old ally, Australia, where Trump threw a telephone tantrum over the prospect of a modest number of mainly South Asian Muslim refugees held on Australia’s Devil’s Island entering the US.

This nasty little spat came on the heels of last week’s refusal by Trump to accept Mideast refugees from seven nations, supposedly to keep America safe. However, there has not been a single attack against the US from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria or Yemen – even though all have been bombed (26,171 times) or had their governments overthrown by the US and its allies. American Raj Liberatio... Eric Margolis

President Trump is doing precisely what he promised voters, something very rare in politics. One of the last presidents to do so was Democrat James K. Polk in the mid-1800’s who stormed into office on the promise of conquering northern Mexico, lowering tariffs, and bluffing the British out of Oregon.

Polk accomplished all of his goals, then refused to run for a second term so he would not be compelled to make political compromises. He died in 1849. His legacy was the new American states of California, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and other western regions.

This writer had hoped that when Trump felt the full weight of office he would make good on his vow to press for a real Palestinian-Israeli peace agreement. Instead, Trump welcomed Israeli PM Benyamin Netanyahu, packed his cabinet with rabid Muslim-haters, neo-cons, and far right zanies and has just about proclaimed a new crusade against Islam.

Was all this real or a political ploy? We must remember that nearly half of all Republican voters – Trump’s base – describe themselves as practicing born-again Christians. The Christian fundamentalist right played a key role in George Bush’s two victories. Some 78% of born-again Christians voted for Bush.

These religious right voters come from the Bible Belt South and Midwest, a vast expanse routinely ignored by East and West coast pundits and political operatives. The Trump campaign was extremely clever in analyzing this political geography and focusing efforts on the evangelical empty spaces between New York and Los Angeles – the same region that brought Prohibition in 1919 and Trump in 2016. War at the Top of the ... Eric Margolis

One of the key tenets of Republican theological voters is the hatred of Islam as the ‘new’ Communism and the fear that Islam’s growth is far outpacing Christianity.

Few of these confused Republican core voters have any sense of geography or history. After the 9/11 attacks, surveys showed that 78% or more were convinced that Iraq’s Saddam Hussein was behind the attacks. This was a glaring example of what expert Kevin Phillips terms `the American Disenlightenment.’

President Trump benefitted from this accrued ignorance in his startling electoral victory. East and West coast media were astounded because they had never attended a Pentecostal Church or listened to the poisonous sermons of ‘Rev’ John Hagee or so-called Christian radio from whose bizarre ravings many Christian fundamentalists receive all their news.

I witnessed the birth of the strange alliance between America’s Christian far right and Israel in the early 1980’s during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. Two radio stations from the Bible Belt USA rushed in to begin broadcasting their fundamentalist creed to Lebanon and Syria.

We laughed at these Christian broadcasters but the Israelis were smart enough to understand how their new born-again fundamentalist allies could be used as the first step to winning over the America’s Christian far right. The fundamentalists believe that Biblical Israel must be re-created (never mind Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine) before Christ can return.

Armageddon, the ultimate battle between good and evil, would ensue, bringing the destruction of the Earth. Born-agains will zip up to heaven while the rest of us slowly burn in hellfire.

Three decades later, Christian Conservatives are one of America’s leading political forces. President Trump just called for the ban on churches preaching politics and fundraising be lifted.

Let’s hope Trump uses some of his great energy to arm twist Israelis and Palestinians into a decent peace deal. This, alas, seem unlikely.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/02/eric-margolis/warmongers-top/

CPUd
02-04-2017, 08:05 PM
Few of these confused Republican core voters have any sense of geography or history. After the 9/11 attacks, surveys showed that 78% or more were convinced that Iraq’s Saddam Hussein was behind the attacks. This was a glaring example of what expert Kevin Phillips terms `the American Disenlightenment.’

Give them a few more months, they will think it was Iran who did 9/11

LibertyEagle
02-04-2017, 08:08 PM
Oh yes. Because we should want to duplicate here, what has happened in Europe. What right do we have to screen people who come into our country? Hell no. Not if you listen to dingaling leftists.

CaptainAmerica
02-04-2017, 08:24 PM
No one is entitled to the united states of america, and no one is entitled to citizenship or our tax money. sick and tired of this .............................

timosman
02-04-2017, 08:34 PM
Another troll started thread.

Ender
02-04-2017, 08:39 PM
More Margolis:



Mr Trump, Don’t Tear Down This Deal

By Eric Margolis

December 2, 2016

President-elect Donald Trump vows to either tear up or rewrite the recent international nuclear deal with Iran, calling it ‘disastrous,’ and ‘the worst deal ever negotiated by Washington.’

Iran, which has closed important nuclear facilities, shut down half its centrifuges, and neutralized its stores of nuclear material under the international agreement, must be wondering if it’s nuclear deal was not really, really disastrous.

In his rush to condemn the Iran deal, Donald Trump seems to be forgetting that the pact was co-signed by Britain, France, Russia, China, Germany and the UN. Backing out of the pact will be no easy matter and sure to provoke a diplomatic storm.

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The outgoing CIA director, John Brennan, calls Trump’s plan to junk the Iran deal ‘the height of folly.’ Brennan warns that doing so would further destabilize the Mideast and embolden hard-liners on all sides. He could have added that if Iran resumes nuclear enrichment, Israel’s far-right government will likely go to war with Iran in order to preserve its Mideast nuclear monopoly. American Raj Liberatio... Eric Margolis

An Israeli attack on Iran could quickly drag in the United States and become a major Mideast conflict. The Pentagon is not anxious to get involved in yet another war in the Muslim world. Interestingly, some Iranian hardliners actually hope the US will attack Iran: ‘America will break its teeth on Iran, and that will be the end of its Mideast empire,’ as one overconfident Iranian told me.

Adding to tensions, the Iranian nuclear deal has been under heavy attack in the US that may sabotage the pact even without Donald Trump’s intervention. The US Israel lobby has made sabotaging the deal with Tehran a priority. Equally important, Israel’s extraordinary influence over the US Congress and media has been directed at overturning or at least derailing the nuclear accord.

Iran is loudly accused of sponsoring ‘terrorism’ for supporting the Palestinian cause and Lebanon’s resistance movement Hezbollah and Yemen’s shadowy Houthi tribal movement. This while the US is arming, supplying and financing ultra-violent anti-regime jihadists in Syria and waging war in East Africa.

US Congressmen and senators hypocritically blasted the late Fidel Castro for being a dictator while hailing Egypt’s brutal dictatorship of Field Marshall al- Sisi and, of course, China’s dictatorship. At least Castro was esteemed, even loved, by most of his people. One seeks in vain any traces of affection for US-backed dictators like Sisi or the Saudi royal family.

Meanwhile, Israel’s partisans have been waging what they call ‘Lawfare’ against the Iran deal by trying to obstruct it in many legal and bureaucratic ways, particularly by refusing to remove most of the US trade and financial embargo on Tehran stipulated in the agreement. Europe is also forced, unwillingly, to comply with many of the US trade sanctions against Iran. War at the Top of the ... Eric Margolis

One of the more egregious examples was recent efforts by Israel’s supporters in Congress to thwart the sale of some 200 commercial US and European jets to Iran. Over 30 years of US embargo have left Iran with a dilapidated and often perilous transport fleet that has killed large numbers of Iranians in crashes caused by mechanical failures.

Iran seeks to renew its civil fleet by ordering $25 billion of new aircraft from Boeing and Europe’s Airbus. But Republicans in Congress voted to block the sale, clearly choosing Israel’s demands over jobs for tens of thousands of US workers. Rarely have we seen so raw an exercise of power.

Abrogation of the international nuclear deal with Tehran would almost certainly undermine the dominant moderates in Iran’s government and boost the hardliners back into power. They have all along claimed that the US cannot be trusted. Besides, North Korea’s Kim Jong-un has nuclear weapons and no one dares attack him.

But Trump will need Russian and European support for America’s other foreign policy headaches. Europe is totally behind the Iran deal and fears its rejection will ignite yet another crisis on its doorstep.

Mr. Trump is strongly advised to leave Obama’s Iran deal alone. It’s one of the outgoing administration’s few real foreign policy successes.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/12/eric-margolis/mr-trump-dont-tear-deal/

oyarde
02-04-2017, 08:40 PM
No one is entitled to the united states of america, and no one is entitled to citizenship or our tax money. sick and tired of this .............................

That seems like a valid point . I do not want to pay for any of it .

timosman
02-04-2017, 08:41 PM
Ender should not be letting CPUd use his account.

Ender
02-04-2017, 08:45 PM
Ender should not be letting CPUd use his account.

My patience is thin, right now, timosman, so cut the insults, por favor.

And reading is your friend- Margolis understands foreign relations better than most.

oyarde
02-04-2017, 08:48 PM
I did not have 1st Sgt Delmar Creech . I had SFC Hill , senior drill sgt , who looked like a postcard caricature of a 60 yr old wyoming cowboy whose face resembled an old saddle . SSG Calloway , a cocky little red headed prick from Ky , SSG Barnes ( about to retire )and the sadistic Sgt Hall who resembled an NFL Tight End and drove a Lincoln . At no time did I ever really think any of them but maybe Barnes was not a bad guy . Barnes was a softy who resembled a human with no personality and he would let me smoke a couple cigarettes a day , LOL

timosman
02-04-2017, 08:49 PM
My patience is thin, right now, timosman, so cut the insults, por favor.

And reading is your friend- Margolis understands foreign relations better than most.

Oh, I am so sorry. Apologies for wearing your patience thin. Welcome to the club. :cool:

TheTexan
02-04-2017, 08:49 PM
Of course we should be able to ban immigration from these seven Muslim majority countries.

It's certainly, not our country's fault, that those countries are super shitty places to try to live or even survive.

Nope, they can stay in their shitty countries, thanks!

timosman
02-04-2017, 08:52 PM
Of course we should be able to ban immigration from these seven Muslim majority countries.

It's certainly, not our country's fault, that those countries are super shitty places to try to live or even survive.

Nope, they can stay in their shitty countries, thanks!

What are you suggesting? We owe them something because a few assholes started wars over there and now we all have to pay? Did anybody lose their head over this?

TheTexan
02-04-2017, 08:53 PM
What are you suggesting? We owe them something because a few assholes started wars over there and now we all have to pay? Did anybody lose their head over this?

Of course not, we dont owe them anything. Why would we?

RJB
02-04-2017, 09:13 PM
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AZJoe
02-04-2017, 09:21 PM
"Dudley notes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2017/01/30/iran-to-ditch-dollar/#466ffc12676d) that since 1975, “no Americans (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/no-terror-attacks-muslim-ban-7-countries-trump_us_588b5a1fe4b0230ce61b4b93) have been killed in terrorist attacks in the US by the citizens of the countries included in the ban,” while countries such as Saudi Arabia (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/countries-where-trump-does-business-are-not-hit-by-new-travel-restrictions/2017/01/28/dd40535a-e56b-11e6-a453-19ec4b3d09ba_story.html?utm_term=.0758c755d4be) — “home of 15 of the 19 terrorists involved in the 9/11 attacks” — were left out of the list of prohibited countries.
http://theantimedia.org/iran-ditched-dollar-us-matters/

LibertyEagle
02-04-2017, 09:29 PM
What are you suggesting? We owe them something because a few $#@!s started wars over there and now we all have to pay? Did anybody lose their head over this?

Of course that is what he means. Apparently, some believe that we deserve to die because of our government meddling in the Middle East.

LibertyEagle
02-04-2017, 09:30 PM
Of course not, we dont owe them anything. Why would we?

If you think you owe them your head, go ahead and give it to them. But, you have no right to offer anyone else's head up.

euphemia
02-04-2017, 09:31 PM
Reading comprehension low here, for sure. Does anyone know what kind of governments those seven countries have? Not much if anything. Passoorts and visas are government-issued documents for international travel. Veification of identity is crucial if authorities are going to monitor people who travel here. If someone from UK wants to come here, we can up the government and verify who that person is. Not so much with Yemen. Thwt's the reason for the list.

Anyone can be detained at a port of entry, no matter what kind of documents they hold. We can turn anyone away. For the next 90 days people from seven nations will not be admitted. It's really very simple.

klamath
02-04-2017, 09:36 PM
I love how after a century of invading and colonizing the middle east the Brits, french Americans and Italians are whining now. Oh so you mean going in a destroying Libya and encouraging a revolution in Syria might cause some instabilities!!!! No! say it aint so. The Muslims are invading us!!!!!!

LibertyEagle
02-04-2017, 09:40 PM
I love how after a century of invading and colonizing the middle east the Brits, french Americans and Italians are whining now. Oh so you mean going in a destroying Libya and encouraging a revolution in Syria might cause some instabilities!!!! No! say it aint so. The Muslims are invading us!!!!!!

So, you believe that because of our government meddling, that we owe it to the Jihadists to welcome them to the U.S. to murder Americans?

CPUd
02-04-2017, 09:48 PM
They hate us for our freedoms

klamath
02-04-2017, 09:57 PM
So, you believe that because of our government meddling, that we owe it to the Jihadists to welcome them to the U.S. to murder Americans? Name how many of civilians from those countries were on the planes on 911? I smell a wiff of swamp gas. Maybe we oaught to ban guns. We must have security at all cost. It doesn't matter if it violates the first admentment the second admendment ect. The president MUST protect us!

Ender
02-04-2017, 10:17 PM
Reading comprehension low here, for sure. Does anyone know what kind of governments those seven countries have? Not much if anything. Passoorts and visas are government-issued documents for international travel. Veification of identity is crucial if authorities are going to monitor people who travel here. If someone from UK wants to come here, we can up the government and verify who that person is. Not so much with Yemen. Thwt's the reason for the list.

Anyone can be detained at a port of entry, no matter what kind of documents they hold. We can turn anyone away. For the next 90 days people from seven nations will not be admitted. It's really very simple.

You wanna talk reading comprehension? I have replied to you 3 times that Iran most certainly has a strong central government. This whole thing is about Iran.

Ender
02-04-2017, 10:19 PM
Oh, I am so sorry. Apologies for wearing your patience thin. Welcome to the club. :cool:

Don't mean to offend- I think you are usually a pretty cool dude.

CaptainAmerica
02-05-2017, 12:51 AM
That seems like a valid point . I do not want to pay for any of it .

YEP. so to the "libertarians" and far left who think 100 percent open borders without any citizenship is okay........how do they feel about the Social Wars of Rome? or the rise to power by Julius G Caesar giving Roman Citizenship to 2 massive territories (Spain, & Gaul) instantly after seizing power ? It appears to me that the people who want their cake and then some to be represented can't fail at contradicting the very essence of representation by wanting millions of people to come into the united states and have equal representation (visa holders and illegal immigrants who are both not citizens) in specific have an inability to define government representation, civil order, ....and "citizenship". Do people seriously think that equality with an illegal immigrant who is not a citizen in elections is going to produce good results? Did not some of the old empires do this and deliberately destroy themselves and raise up tyrants using foreign military ,raising armies of non-citizenry? 2/3rds of the ROMAN EMPIRE MILITARY WERE "ALLIES" (allies were not roman citizens)........... and thats who marched into Rome with Julius G Caesar. Point given, the united states was established with citizenship for a reason.

timosman
02-05-2017, 12:52 AM
Reading comprehension low here, for sure. Does anyone know what kind of governments those seven countries have? Not much if anything. Passoorts and visas are government-issued documents for international travel. Veification of identity is crucial if authorities are going to monitor people who travel here. If someone from UK wants to come here, we can up the government and verify who that person is. Not so much with Yemen. Thwt's the reason for the list.

Anyone can be detained at a port of entry, no matter what kind of documents they hold. We can turn anyone away. For the next 90 days people from seven nations will not be admitted. It's really very simple.

What I do not understand is why the law was ignored for so long. :confused: