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staerker
02-04-2017, 10:02 AM
The new Trump-hating rage in corporate media and liberal social media is #DressLikeAWoman, which obviously proves that Trump is a mysoginist.

What are all these respectable news organizations citing? A report published by "Axios": https://www.axios.com/trump-101-the-producer-of-his-own-epic-film-2230577441.html (archive (http://archive.is/viOKQ))

Axios' anonymous source is quoted as saying:


Trump judges men's appearances as much as women's. A source who's worked with Trump explains: "If you're going to be a public person for him, whether it's a lawyer or representing him in meetings, then you need to have a certain look. That look —at least for any male — you have to be sharply dressed. Preferably, I would say, solid colors. … You should have a good physical demeanor, good stature, hair well groomed."

Trump likes the women who work for him "to dress like women," says a source who worked on Trump's campaign. "Even if you're in jeans, you need to look neat and orderly." We hear that women who worked in Trump's campaign field offices — folks who spend more time knocking on doors than attending glitzy events — felt pressure to wear dresses to impress Trump.

1. The word of Axious' anonymous source carries no weight anywhere on this planet.
2. Assuming the source is not lying or made up, Trump never said that he likes women to dress like women. Those are the source's words.
3. Assuming the source is not lying or made up, and Trump in fact did day those words, Trump's definition of "dressing like a woman" is "neat and orderly."

Goodbye fake news.

presence
02-04-2017, 10:32 AM
Answer:

Dress codes highlight an odd fact about sex discrimination cases: While laws prohibiting sex discrimination require employers to treat men and women equally, our society is still comfortable with the belief that there are fundamental cultural differences between the genders. Of course, no one disputes the basic biological fact that males and females generally have different body parts and different roles in the reproductive process. But culturally, many people still believe that men and women think and act differently (Mars and Venus, anyone?), express themselves differently, should play different roles in the family and close relationships, and yes, should dress differently.
Courts have grappled with how to handle this disconnect. On the one hand, employees in cases involving sex-based stereotypes have generally done well. In these cases, the employee is disciplined or fired for not conforming to the employer's notion of how men and women should act. In the Supreme Court case that paved the way for these employees, a woman successfully sued after she was denied partnership at the accounting firm Price Waterhouse. She was told she was too aggressive, needed to speak, act, and dress more femininely, and needed "a course in charm school." She succeeded in showing that these comments demonstrated that her employer penalized her for failing to live up to its idea of how women should behave, which is sex discrimination.
Dress code cases have taken a different turn, however. Generally, federal courts have upheld dress codes that require men and women to dress or groom themselves differently, and in a manner that conforms with gender stereotypes. Rules like those you describe have often been allowed: short hair for men but not women; suits for men and dresses or skirts for women; makeup prohibited for men but allowed or required for women, and so on. In fact, some courts have even allowed gender-based dress codes that create a more sexual image for women. Harrah's casino, for example, was allowed to require women to tease, curl or style their hair; to wear stockings; and to wear specific types of makeup, including lip color. These requirements are clearly intended to make female employees look more sexualized and more attractive in an entirely gender-based way, yet the court upheld them.
A court might step in if a dress code places a heavier burden on one gender. For example, if women were required to wear an elaborate costume and men had no dress code, that might be enough to cross the line. This is one possible line of attack in your case: Because women have to wear a particular brand of clothing and men do not, you might have a plausible claim if you are forced to spend more on your work wear. Even so, it wouldn't be much to hang a lawsuit on.
As gender identity and transgender legal issues get more attention, this disconnect will undoubtedly grow. These cases push back against cultural notions about what gender is and what role society should play in policing how it is expressed. In the meantime, however, it might be time for you to go shopping for a skirt and some makeup -- or a new job. Or a lawyer.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-employer-require-different-dress-codes-men-women.html

euphemia
02-04-2017, 11:24 AM
I do not understand the hoopla. My concern is that the next step would be to tell everyone they have to dress and look the same, meaning no makeup, same hairstyle, all the same clothes. I can't imagine that happening in a Trump Administration, but the concern is there, nonetheless.

Trump came from business, and he understands a business look. It's not about dresses and slacks. Ivanka wore a pantsuit to the inauguration. Go back and look at the pictures.

presence
02-04-2017, 01:36 PM
I do not understand the hoopla.

I took it to mean that Trump imposes an anti transgender dress code and liberals are upset that mindset interferes with muh job entitlement while crossdressing.

euphemia
02-04-2017, 03:45 PM
I don't think that's actually what it meant. It sounds like some of his work/volunteering preferences have been misinterpreted to people further away from the top of the power chart.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
02-04-2017, 04:00 PM
2. Assuming the source is not lying or made up, Trump never said that he likes women to dress like women. Those are the source's words.




That is one fundamental issue with today's butthurt snowflakes. They put words in quotes that were never said. They put their interpretation of your words in quotes. I see this in forums all the time.

So, your own words don't matter. Your explanation of your own words does not matter. Even denotation does not matter. The only thing that matters to today's snowflake is how he feels about what you said.

Two way communication has become a one way street. A street that is not straight and straightforward, but twisted and crooked from butt hurt travelers.

staerker
02-04-2017, 04:42 PM
That is one fundamental issue with today's butthurt snowflakes. They put words in quotes that were never said. They put their interpretation of your words in quotes. I see this in forums all the time.

So, your own words don't matter. Your explanation of your own words does not matter. Even denotation does not matter. The only thing that matters to today's snowflake is how he feels about what you said.

Two way communication has become a one way street. A street that is not straight and straightforward, but twisted and crooked from butt hurt travelers.

That is exactly the problem.

Take the top trending story on FB regrading this matter. It takes the anonymous paraphrase:


Trump likes the women who work for him "to dress like women," says a source who worked on Trump's campaign. "Even if you're in jeans, you need to look neat and orderly."

and creating an outright lie. Making old news relevant by pretending that Trump wanting campaign workers to "look neat and orderly" is the same as Trump enforcing a dress code on White House staff:

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/supernumberdresslikeawoman-donald-trump-causes-twitter-storm-with-alleged-sexist-dress-code/ar-AAmAGzT (archive (http://archive.is/uzhP0))


Misogyny has been a hot topic in 2017. According to a new report from Axios, nowhere is this more evident than in the office President Donald Trump.

President Trump has allegedly enforced a dress code upon female members of staff in the White House, insisting that they need to ‘dress like women’.

presence
02-04-2017, 04:58 PM
archie bunker would have words about this

enhanced_deficit
02-04-2017, 05:55 PM
Trump should focus on substance rather than dress even though it is not unimportant.

But if they have to be so picky... America has been blessed with two of the finest women leaders of our time, what is wrong with Trump staff ladies just following their dress code.

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/gettyimages-618594724.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=780