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johnwk
02-03-2017, 12:40 PM
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The fact is, Trump’s “immigration ban list” may be based on illogical thinking, and even have nefarious motives behind it, but when looking at the facts it certainly is not a “Muslim ban”, which is what countless “fake news” sources have labeled it.


If it was a “Muslim ban”, Indonesia, with 87 % of its population being Muslim, would be on the list. It’s not.


If it was a “Muslim ban”, Pakistan with 96 % of its population being Muslim, would be on the list. It’s not.


If it was a “Muslim ban”, Egypt, with 90% of its population being Muslim, would be on the list. It’s not.


If it was a “Muslim ban”, Bangladesh, with 90% of its population being Muslim, would be on the list. It’s not.


Now, when and where did the list of countries banning immigrants come from? Well, the fact is, it came from “the Visa Waiver Program and Terrorist Travel Protection Act of 2015“ (https://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/visa-waiver-program/visa-waiver-program-improvement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq), which was adopted long before Trump was elected as our President. The list includes: Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Libya, Somalia, and Sudan.


So, why are so many of our media personalities constantly beating the drum and calling it a “Muslim ban”?


JWK


Our media personalities are entitled to their opinions, but are lying when creating fake-news facts.

CPUd
02-03-2017, 12:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUK2aMYGMCg

Zippyjuan
02-03-2017, 12:52 PM
Now, when and where did the list of countries banning immigrants come from? Well, the fact is, it came from “the Visa Waiver Program and Terrorist Travel Protection Act of 2015“, which was adopted long before Trump was elected as our President. The list includes: Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Libya, Somalia, and Sudan.

"Alternative facts". The only countries mentioned in that act were Syria and Iraq. It also did not ban travel from those countries. Text: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/158/text

Christian refugees from the countries in the Trump EO are to be allowed while others (Muslims) are to be denied travel (even if already vetted which takes up to two years). That makes it about only one religion. But you are right it does not cover all Muslims in the world. But neither is it about terrorism and "protecting" the US from attack. The countries where terror attack suspects in the US have come from are mostly not on the list. (most US terror suspects have been home grown anyways).

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/27/politics/trump-christian-refugees/


Trump says US will prioritize Christian refugees

President Donald Trump said in a new interview Friday that persecuted Christians will be given priority over other refugees seeking to enter the United States, saying they have been "horribly treated."

Speaking with the Christian Broadcasting Network, Trump said that it had been "impossible, or at least very tough" for Syrian Christians to enter the United States.

"If you were a Muslim you could come in, but if you were a Christian, it was almost impossible and the reason that was so unfair -- everybody was persecuted, in all fairness -- but they were chopping off the heads of everybody but more so the Christians. And I thought it was very, very unfair. So we are going to help them."

Trump did not name a reason or offer any evidence about why the agencies that vet refugees, including the Department of Homeland Security and the State Department, would have prioritized Muslim refugees over Christians.

According to a report by the non-partisan Pew Research Center, however, 99% of the nearly 12,600 Syrians granted refugee status last year were Muslims. Less than 1% were Christian. Syria's population is 87% Muslim and 10% Christian, according to the CIA World Fact Book.



Also: http://www.businessinsider.com/giuliani-trump-asked-me-how-to-do-a-muslim-ban-legally-2017-1


GIULIANI: Trump asked me how to do a Muslim ban 'legally'

Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani told Fox in an interview on Saturday that he helped draft President Donald Trump's "extreme vetting" executive order after Trump called him and asked how to do a "Muslim ban" "legally."

"When he first announced it, he said 'Muslim ban,'" Giuliani, who served as the vice chairman of Trump's transition team, told Fox. "He called me up. He said 'put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.'"

Giuliani then put a commission together with Judge Mike Mukasey, Congressman Mike McCaul, Rep. Pete King, and a "whole group of very expert lawyers on this," he said.

"We focused on, instead of religion, on danger," Giuliani continued. "The areas of the world that create danger for us. Which is a factual basis, not a religious basis. Perfectly legal, perfectly sensible. And that's what the ban is based on."

Experts have noted that the countries included in the ban — Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen — seem arbitrary, and do not include countries that have posed serious terror threats in the past such as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the United Arab Emirates.

The order cites the September 11, 2001 terror attacks three times as justification for the ban, but the 9/11 hijackers were from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Lebanon — none of which were included on the list of banned countries.

Zippyjuan
02-03-2017, 01:15 PM
Kellyanne Conway said that Obama set the precedent by banning Iraqis following the Bowling Green Massacare. Problem is that neither event actually occurred. (Starts 2:40) The administration has a problem with facts. But policy is more important than facts. Say whatever it takes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qkudoXsk-Y

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/03/kellyanne-conway-cites-bowling-green-massacre-that-never-happened-to-defend-travel-ban/?utm_term=.ad911a45ac27


Kellyanne Conway cites ‘Bowling Green massacre’ that never happened to defend travel ban


Kellyanne Conway has taken “alternative facts” to a new level.

During a Thursday interview with MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, the counselor to the president defended President Trump’s travel ban related to seven majority-Muslim countries. At one point, Conway made a reference to two Iraqi refugees whom she described as the masterminds behind “the Bowling Green massacre.”

“Most people don’t know that because it didn’t get covered,” Conway said.

The Bowling Green massacre didn’t get covered because it didn’t happen. There has never been a terrorist attack in Bowling Green, Ky., carried out by Iraqi refugees or anyone else.

It appeared initially that Conway was referring to two Iraqi citizens living in Bowling Green who were arrested in 2011 and eventually sentenced to federal prison for attempting to send weapons and money to al-Qaeda in Iraq for the purpose of killing U.S. soldiers, according to a statement from the Justice Department.

johnwk
02-03-2017, 02:54 PM
"Alternative facts". The only countries mentioned in that act were Syria and Iraq.]

FROM THE LINK:


What are the additional questions being added to the ESTA application in June 2016?
The additional/modified questions are:
Have you traveled to, or been present in, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen on or after March 1, 2011?
CBP Global Entry program number, if applicable.
Are there other countries that I have traveled to that might impact VWP travel?
Yes, on February 18, 2016, DHS announced that it is continuing its implementation of the Act* with the addition of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen as three countries of concern, limiting VWP travel for certain individuals who have traveled to these countries. DHS continues to consult with the Department of State and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence to determine whether other countries would be added to this list.

johnwk
02-03-2017, 02:58 PM
Kellyanne Conway said that Obama set the precedent by banning Iraqis following the Bowling Green Massacare. Problem is that neither event actually occurred.

I see you did not mention she acknowledged making a misstatement about the Bowling Green massacre.

Zippyjuan
02-03-2017, 03:14 PM
FROM THE LINK:


What are the additional questions being added to the ESTA application in June 2016?
The additional/modified questions are:
Have you traveled to, or been present in, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen on or after March 1, 2011?
CBP Global Entry program number, if applicable.
Are there other countries that I have traveled to that might impact VWP travel?
Yes, on February 18, 2016, DHS announced that it is continuing its implementation of the Act* with the addition of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen as three countries of concern, limiting VWP travel for certain individuals who have traveled to these countries. DHS continues to consult with the Department of State and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence to determine whether other countries would be added to this list.

Countries added AFTER Obama signed the act.

johnwk
02-03-2017, 03:15 PM
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Also: http://www.businessinsider.com/giuliani-trump-asked-me-how-to-do-a-muslim-ban-legally-2017-1


When trump first approached Giuliani he said “Muslim ban”. The fact is, I could see myself also saying “Muslim ban”, but really thinking “Muslim Terrorists”.

Now, click on the following link to hear Giuliani give the actual history behind the “ban” .

https://youtu.be/aGOwEOTYfuE?t=188


Is it possible that Trump and his current Administration really are concerned about allowing Muslim Terrorists entering our country and the “ban” is really an attempt to deal with this?

I don’t know what is in their minds and hearts of this Administration, but I can say I would be extremely cautious at this time about allowing Muslims, or anyone in, from countries where ISIS is a major player. This is only common sense.

So, why is there such an uproar over Trump's proposal?

JWK

johnwk
02-03-2017, 03:18 PM
Countries added AFTER Obama signed the act.

And? The countries were added before Trump was elected. What is your freaken point other than to confuse people?

JWK



Obama’s mission from the very start has been ___ death to America by a thousand cuts.

Zippyjuan
02-03-2017, 03:19 PM
I see you did not mention she acknowledged making a misstatement about the Bowling Green massacre.

She did today tweet it was not a massacare. But she is still wrong that travel from Iraq was blocked after the incident.


Beyond what Conway said about the non-existent Bowling Green Massacre, the rest of her statement was misleading as well. As The Washington Post’s fact checker has documented, President Obama did not impose a formal six-month ban on Iraqi refugees, though there was a decline in the admission of Iraqi refugees in 2011 and the Obama administration did revamp its vetting procedures in response to the arrest of the two Iraqis, who later pled guilty to federal terrorism charges.

Conway’s false statement stands out because it is simultaneously inaccurate and has the potential to be extremely inflammatory. But it fits a broader pattern of high-profile Trump administration aides marshaling inaccurate information in an attempt to defend the president, his policies, or the extent of his support, and then remaining defiant when challenged on their claims.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/kellyanne-conway-bowling-green-massacre-alternative-facts/515619/

seapilot
02-03-2017, 03:27 PM
As The Washington Post’s fact checker has documented

Why should any sane person believe the WaCompost, NYT, CNN, MSNBC, Politico etc? Because they are the loudest? They lack in credibility, the same as Trump lacks credibility by getting caught numerous times falsifying and half truths. The best sources are independent or original text. Start digging and stop letting the Machine control the mind.

Zippyjuan
02-03-2017, 03:34 PM
Why should any sane person believe the WaCompost, NYT, CNN, MSNBC, Politico etc? Because they are the loudest? They lack in credibility, the same as Trump lacks credibility by getting caught numerous times falsifying and half truths. The best sources are independent or original text. Start digging and stop letting the Machine control the mind.


Yes- all media lies and all politicians always tell the truth. Original sources? Ok. Jump to 3:29


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8Y9KWP1hCU





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDffWUjcBA

enhanced_deficit
02-03-2017, 03:44 PM
Obama’s mission from the very start has been ___ death to America by a thousand cuts.



Not a fan of DGP puppet and he may have been implicated in creation of ISIS but this is a pretty controversial statement.

As to OP title, yea media spins as always are erring on the side of telling lies.


If they are consistent, let's see how many haedlines are generated tomorrow about Trump's "Israeli settlements ban" after news today.

TheCount
02-03-2017, 04:05 PM
Obama’s mission from the very start has been ___ death to America by a thousand cuts.Boogity boogity boogity.


It's over.
You're going to need new lines.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
02-03-2017, 04:09 PM
Boogity boogity boogity.


It's over.
You're going to need new lines.



It's over for your candidate Hillary. You're going to need new protests.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
02-03-2017, 04:09 PM
Yes- all media lies and all politicians always tell the truth. Original sources? Ok. Jump to 3:29


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8Y9KWP1hCU





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDffWUjcBA



Why?

johnwk
02-03-2017, 04:13 PM
She did today tweet it was not a massacare. But she is still wrong that travel from Iraq was blocked after the incident.





So freaken what? You are beating a dead horse. What on earth does all that crap have to do with putting a temporary halt on immigration from war torn Islamic Terrorists states?


JWK

CPUd
02-03-2017, 04:16 PM
Kellyanne Conway said that Obama set the precedent by banning Iraqis following the Bowling Green Massacare. Problem is that neither event actually occurred. (Starts 2:40) The administration has a problem with facts. But policy is more important than facts. Say whatever it takes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qkudoXsk-Y

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/03/kellyanne-conway-cites-bowling-green-massacre-that-never-happened-to-defend-travel-ban/?utm_term=.ad911a45ac27

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3xJZdBWIAUyqlX.jpg

johnwk
02-03-2017, 04:24 PM
Not a fan of DGP puppet and he may have been implicated in creation of ISIS but this is a pretty controversial statement.



Not in my mind.

The sad truth is, Obama has added more to the national debt than all other presidents combined;

He has given aid and comfort to our enemies by releasing them from GITMO;

He has attempted to strike a deal with a hostile foreign nation behind closed doors and without the consent of the United State Senate being required as commanded by our Constitution;

He is allowing a thousand Islamic "refugees" into the U.S. each month without proper screening or a requirement they renounce an allegiance to their country of origin;

He has transferred America’s weapons of defense and military technology to hostile Islamic leaders [the Islamic Brother Hood];

He has assisted an Islamic terrorist state to move forward with producing the component parts for a nuclear arsenal;

He has worked to release $150 Billion in assets to the terrorist government of Iran and given them $400 billion in ransom;

He has allowed our southern border to be invaded by the poverty stricken populations of Mexico and Central America;

He has decided to prop up the communist government of Cuba by normalizing relations, which in turn will yield a needed infusion of money to strengthen this government’s iron fist (http://www.amazon.com/Iron-Fist-Lacey-Skull-Handbag/dp/B004PKKWFO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1351197354&sr=8-2&keywords=iron+fist) around the necks of its citizens;

He has released thousands of criminal illegal aliens from our nation’s jails into our nation’s population;

He is responsible for undermining our election process by making it easy for ineligible persons to vote;

He has interfered with our nation’s ability to develop our nation’s natural resources, namely oil, coal and natural gas, to fuel our economy;

He has worked to stifle America’s agricultural industry and ability to produce food under the guise of environmental necessity;

He has intentionally sabotaged our nation’s health care (http://skimlinks.pgpartner.com/mrdr.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fskimlinks.pgpartner.com% 2Fsearch.php%2Fform_keyword%3Dhealth%2Bcare) delivery system;

He has blatantly impinged upon the American People’s inalienable right to make their own choices and decisions regarding their health care (http://skimlinks.pgpartner.com/mrdr.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fskimlinks.pgpartner.com% 2Fsearch.php%2Fform_keyword%3Dhealth%2Bcare) and medical needs;

He is responsible for a dramatic increase in the number of people receiving food stamps;

He is responsible for a dramatic drop in fulltime employment;

He is responsible for a dramatic increase in the unemployment rate among our nation’s Black and poverty stricken youth;

He has used the force of our federal government to tax the paychecks of hard working people living in our nation’s inner cities and then transferred $ billions from our federal treasury to his inner circle friends under the guise of “green energy” [Solyndra/Chevy Volt/Fisker, Exelon, etc.];

He has repeatedly circumvented our Republican Form of Government by issuing Executive Orders and memorandums;

He has stood by and allowed his Administration to use the force of the federal government to attack "conservatives" who dare to exercise their right to freedom of speech;

And he has worked to disarm local police forces which are America’s front line in dealing with domestic terrorism!

Who can truthfully deny Obama has intentionally attempted to destroy America from within?

JWK





Obama is the worst President ever! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9ixOsjut3E). Here is a LIST (http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/06/president-barack-obamas-complete-list.html) of Obama’s evil doings!

Zippyjuan
02-03-2017, 04:37 PM
Relevance to Trump's travel ban? (too many errors to address and too off topic anyways)


So freaken what? You are beating a dead horse. What on earth does all that crap have to do with putting a temporary halt on immigration from war torn Islamic Terrorists states?


JWK

NorthCarolinaLiberty
02-03-2017, 05:11 PM
... too off topic anyways)


The substitute Zip giving up. The real Zip does not say that. lol

69360
02-03-2017, 05:28 PM
Trump's EO was clearly intended to stop Muslim terrorists from entering the US. I won't even engage with anyone arguing otherwise.

However the choice of countries is ridiculous. Adding Iran but leaving off Saudi Arabia? Iran hasn't caused any problems since the 70's. Saudi nationals killed more Americans in terror attacks than all the others combined.

Ender
02-03-2017, 05:33 PM
So freaken what? You are beating a dead horse. What on earth does all that crap have to do with putting a temporary halt on immigration from war torn Islamic Terrorists states?


JWK

Iran is neither war torn or terrorists.

Ender
02-03-2017, 05:36 PM
Trump's EO was clearly intended to stop Muslim terrorists from entering the US. I won't even engage with anyone arguing otherwise.

However the choice of countries is ridiculous. Adding Iran but leaving off Saudi Arabia? Iran hasn't caused any problems since the 70's. Saudi nationals killed more Americans in terror attacks than all the others combined.

The only reason Iranians caused problems in 79 is because they took their country back from the US. Shocker.

Zippyjuan
02-03-2017, 05:37 PM
Trump's EO was clearly intended to stop Muslim terrorists from entering the US. I won't even engage with anyone arguing otherwise.

However the choice of countries is ridiculous. Adding Iran but leaving off Saudi Arabia? Iran hasn't caused any problems since the 70's. Saudi nationals killed more Americans in terror attacks than all the others combined.

Most of the "terror attacks" in the US have been committed by people born here.

San Bernardino- US born

Chattanooga- came to US as in infant so grew up in US

Charleston, S.C.- US born

Las Vegas- US born

Boston Marathon- came to US as kids but were born in Chechnya and traveled back and forth. Only real "immigrants" on this list.

Milwaukee - US born

Fort Hood, Texas- US born

Aurora, CO- US born

Oklahoma City- US born

Columbine- US born

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/dec/29/what-citizenship-status-terrorists-united-states/

https://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/n_iv/600/1011271.jpg

NorthCarolinaLiberty
02-03-2017, 05:43 PM
http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/589104d3713ba11b008b5ce2-1201

















http://www.businessinsider.com/death-risk-statistics-terrorism-disease-accidents-2017-1

69360
02-03-2017, 07:11 PM
The only reason Iranians caused problems in 79 is because they took their country back from the US. Shocker.

They didn't need to hold the hostages. Overthrowing the Shah was justified. Regardless, there has been no serious trouble between the US and Iran since. I don't view them as terrorists.


Most of the "terror attacks" in the US have been committed by people born here.

San Bernardino- US born

Chattanooga- came to US as in infant so grew up in US

Charleston, S.C.- US born

Las Vegas- US born

Boston Marathon- came to US as kids but were born in Chechnya.

Milwaukee - US born

Fort Hood, Texas- US born

Aurora, CO- US born

Oklahoma City- US born

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/dec/29/what-citizenship-status-terrorists-united-states/

Saudi citizens have killed I believe probably 20 times the number of American citizens in terror attacks than all other nations combined. Yet Trump did not put Saudi Arabia on his verboten country list. Make what you want of that, I know what it tells me.

johnwk
02-03-2017, 08:34 PM
Iran is neither war torn or terrorists.

It's a hotbed for Islamic terrorists. Get rid of the water pipe.

JWK



American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax slaves and forced to finance the personal economic needs of millions of foreigners who have invaded America’s borders.

Zippyjuan
02-03-2017, 08:37 PM
It's a hotbed for Islamic terrorists. Get rid of the water pipe.

JWK



American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax slaves and forced to finance the personal economic needs of millions of foreigners who have invaded America’s borders.



When was the last time an Iranian terrorist attacked the United States? What about a Yemeni or Syrian? A Somalian or Sudanese?

Now if we start attacking them, perhaps the will try to strike back at us.

johnwk
02-03-2017, 08:40 PM
Most of the "terror attacks" in the US have been committed by people born here.




Tell that to the people living in France, England and Germany who opened their arms to massive unchecked immigration.

JWK




Without our Fifth Column Media, Loretta Lynch and a corrupted FBI, Hillary Clinton would be making license tags in a federal penitentiary

Zippyjuan
02-03-2017, 08:52 PM
Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
Most of the "terror attacks" in the US have been committed by people born here.

Tell that to the people living in France, England and Germany who opened their arms to massive unchecked immigration.

JWK






Let's look at German attacks since 2000.

2004- Cologne. Domestic terrorists- National Socialist Underground

2007- Heilbron- same group.

2011- Frankfurt- immigrant from Kosovo

2015- Berlin- Iranian threatened cop with a knife. (serious attack? Terrorism? He had previously tried to assassinate the then Iraqi prime minister in Germany) One dead- the attacker.

2016- Wurtzburg- guy with an axe. Again- a serious terrorist attack? One dead.

2016- Ansbach- OK- finally a terrorist attack. Syrian refugee.

2016- Berlin- Christmas Market truck attack. From Tunisia.

But no Iranians. Except the guy with the knife.

Zippyjuan
02-03-2017, 09:08 PM
Britain. Lots of attacks but prior to 2005, most were by the Irish Republican Army.

2005- Central London bombing. four Islamic terrorists. Three born in UK, one from Jamaica.

2007- Glasgow- failed attack with jeep and propane tanks. British born.

2008- Exiter. Citizen kills himself trying to blow up a public toilet.
- former Ukrainian- set off bomb said he wanted to start a race war.

2015- East London- Leytonstone Tube station three people stabbed by citizen saying "this is for Syria"

2015- Liverpool- citizen tries to get and send ricin. Plot discovered and was given flour instead. Blamed TV show "Breaking Bad".

2015- anniversary of 7/7. Attempt to blow up shopping mall. Culprit daughter of Magistrate and her also citizen husband. Arrested before plot was executed for testing bomb in back yard.

Hmm. Not a lot of Syrians or Iranians there either. Mostly home grown too.

No time right now to go down France's list. But I expect similar results.

liveandletlive
02-03-2017, 10:14 PM
"The Donald has signed his executive order. Now let him enforce it."

-Every federal judge in America.

seapilot
02-03-2017, 10:32 PM
When was the last time an Iranian terrorist attacked the United States? What about a Yemeni or Syrian? A Somalian or Sudanese?

Now if we start attacking them, perhaps the will try to strike back at us.

There was those Somalians in Ohio with the machetes. They went with traditional methods. Iranians are the boogie man. Of all the countries listed Iran is probably the most stable and actually would be the safest for a person to live in.

Zippyjuan
02-03-2017, 10:39 PM
There was those Somalians in Ohio with the machetes. They went with traditional methods. Iranians are the boogie man. Of all the countries listed Iran is probably the most stable and actually would be the safest for a person to live in.

One person. Not Somali. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/16/random-act-or-islamist-terrorism-questions-linger-as-ohio-restaurant-reopens-after-machete-attack/?utm_term=.d30f1c316899


On Monday, an FBI spokesman said that the attacker, 30-year-old Mohamed Barry, hailed from the west African country of Guinea, not from Somalia, as CNN and CBS had initially reported.

Iran is more involved with Shiite vs Sunni branches of Islam (Iran being Shia) conflict in the Middle East than Middle East/ Western Nations- Islam/ Christian conflict. If Trump is afraid of what they might do, he should be in favor of the nuclear weapons deal or they could go full nuclear. And if he attacks them, Iran could shift their focus in our direction. It won't solve his perceived problems.

seapilot
02-03-2017, 10:45 PM
One person. Not Somali. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/16/random-act-or-islamist-terrorism-questions-linger-as-ohio-restaurant-reopens-after-machete-attack/?utm_term=.d30f1c316899

CNN caught making up stuff again.

Zippyjuan
02-03-2017, 10:46 PM
Early reports of events often include errors in information. It can take time to sort the details out.

Superfluous Man
02-03-2017, 10:58 PM
Countries added AFTER Obama signed the act.

Added by the Obama administration.

Ender
02-03-2017, 11:02 PM
It's a hotbed for Islamic terrorists. Get rid of the water pipe.

JWK



American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax slaves and forced to finance the personal economic needs of millions of foreigners who have invaded America’s borders.



Iran is a very civilized nation that has caused no war for at least 100 yrs. The US creates the "hotbed" of terrorists by taken over countries.

Wake. Up. Perhaps you are the dude with the hookah. ;)

Ender
02-03-2017, 11:03 PM
There was those Somalians in Ohio with the machetes. They went with traditional methods. Iranians are the boogie man. Of all the countries listed Iran is probably the most stable and actually would be the safest for a person to live in.

^^THIS^^

seapilot
02-03-2017, 11:09 PM
Iran is a very civilized nation that has caused no war for at least 100 yrs. The US creates the "hotbed" of terrorists by taken over countries.

Wake. Up. Perhaps you are the dude with the hookah. ;)

I mentioned it was the safest on the list, Iran still is ruled under Sharia law which can be barbaric. Still no good reason for US to saber rattle.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/03/iran-blind-acid-attack-woman-retribution-punishment/

Ender
02-03-2017, 11:36 PM
I mentioned it was the safest on the list, Iran still is ruled under Sharia law which can be barbaric. Still no good reason for US to saber rattle.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/03/iran-blind-acid-attack-woman-retribution-punishment/

Still Persians are some of the smartest people on the planet. Their cities are very modern and their tolerance for others is pretty high. Know some Iranians who are way cool.

Zippyjuan
02-03-2017, 11:39 PM
Good article on the youth of Iran: https://www.theguardian.com/world/iran-blog/2014/jun/03/iran-youth-internet-restrictions-claustrophobia

KrokHead
02-04-2017, 06:58 AM
Well, to give libtards credit it does ban Muslims from the part of the world where John Q Idiot thinks Muslims are.

johnwk
02-04-2017, 10:40 AM
Iran is a very civilized nation that has caused no war for at least 100 yrs. The US creates the "hotbed" of terrorists by taken over countries.

Wake. Up. Perhaps you are the dude with the hookah. ;)

Yo, dude, if what you say above about Iran being civilized is true, unlike the United States, why are you living here?

Put the weed down pal.


JWK

Ender
02-04-2017, 11:50 AM
Yo, dude, if what you say above about Iran being civilized is true, unlike the United States, why are you living here?

Put the weed down pal.


JWK

Never said "unlike the US". :rolleyes:

And, here's a whole lotta pics of uncivilized Tehran at Christmas.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Tehran+christmas+pics&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjDppu1gPfRAhXCqFQKHbsSDEwQsAQIGw&biw=1296&bih=662

johnwk
02-04-2017, 01:29 PM
Federal judge temporarily blocks Trump travel ban (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/federal-judge-declines-to-extend-one-week-freeze-against-trumps-travel-ban/)

Last Updated Feb 4, 2017 12:15 AM

”Gorton’s Friday ruling is a victory for the Trump administration, especially since Gorton wrote that Mr. Trump has “broad powers” to decide who can enter the country. By denying the stay, the city must enforce Trump’s order when the temporary block expires Sunday, CBS Boston reports.
The ACLU said it’s deeply disappointed in this decision. Other plaintiffs included international aid group Oxfam America and several non-citizens living in the U.S. legally.”

This issue, Trump's "broad powers", to decide who can enter the country, will be the defining question resolved by the court.

There is no question, we need to know who is and who may not come into our country. And our legislature defines the rules! Not judges.


JWK

…..we are not at liberty to second-guess congressional determinations and policy judgments of this order, however debatable or arguably unwise they may be…The wisdom of Congress' action, however, is not within our province to second guess. _________ELDRED et al. v. ASHCROFT, ATTORNEY GENERAL (2003)

H. E. Panqui
02-04-2017, 10:23 PM
:rolleyes:

...cut it out, jwk...anyone not a gd brain-laundered fool understands your stinking republicans [and the democrats] ARE THE ALL-TIME WORLD CHAMPION 'TERRORISTS'...

...republicrats....UGH!!!...:mad:

LibertyEagle
02-04-2017, 11:10 PM
:rolleyes:

...cut it out, jwk...anyone not a gd brain-laundered fool understands your stinking republicans [and the democrats] ARE THE ALL-TIME WORLD CHAMPION 'TERRORISTS'...

...republicrats....UGH!!!...:mad:

Republicans and Democrats in Congress no more belong to jwk than they do to you. Get off your high horse.

Back to the topic at hand. Ensuring to the best of our ability that those entering the U.S. are not individuals with plans to kill Americans.

AZJoe
02-05-2017, 09:09 AM
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s526x296/16508956_1333299063395737_2170483975757302484_n.jp g?oh=ced71369d33f8ec90bb0c4723297ffe8&oe=594592CA

enhanced_deficit
02-05-2017, 09:53 AM
"Media personalities" like these have about as much credibility or moral legitimacy to speak on this issue as last dronegangsta puppetbag:




http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Sabo-Comp1.jpg

http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h415/Stoltzpus/Gunz%20and%20Protection/Govermment%20Bastids/078567b4-9e58-4cde-a8c0-c96da1f9d022_zps6907eac2.jpg

http://radio.foxnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/obama-predator-drone.jpghttp://images.huffingtonpost.com/2013-07-29-15droneC1.png
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Cornel West Calls Obama a 'War Criminal' That Kills Children
▶ 0:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8HWy90_jSo
Aug 4, 2014

http://media.salon.com/2016/01/barack_obama_crying2.jpg
"Every Time I Think About Those Kids It Gets Me Mad"
Obama Tears Up

enhanced_deficit
02-05-2017, 10:10 AM
....


Obama is the worst President ever! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9ixOsjut3E). Here is a LIST (http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/06/president-barack-obamas-complete-list.html) of Obama’s evil doings!


I would concede that can't think of a Prez who was worse than him, damage he has done does seem of gigantic proportions compared to others.

H. E. Panqui
02-05-2017, 12:48 PM
Republicans and Democrats in Congress no more belong to jwk than they do to you. Get off your high horse.

Back to the topic at hand. Ensuring to the best of our ability that those entering the U.S. are not individuals with plans to kill Americans.

:cool:

...i would bet a bundle both you and jwk have supported, voted for, etc., waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more members of the stinking rotten republican party inc. than i...[i have supported, voted for, etc., exactly one member [ron paul] of the stinking republicrats in the last many many years... i'd tell you the number but you'd get to gloat at an old goat...

...what gets my goat is your [c'mon, admit it!!] stinking rotten republicans/crats whose goddamned fool, viciously evil, etc., foreign policies/police have created a world with so many individuals with hopes and plans to kill americans...

...and i'm not on any 'high horse'...anyone not a horse's arse understands the absolute debauchery of ?your stinking republicans and the stinking democrats....

nikcers
02-05-2017, 12:52 PM
So the king said he was wearing clothes, and then the media reported the king was wearing clothes. Why would Trump down play a ban on immigration with 7 countries we have been bombing besides Iran. Why is Iran so pissed off, maybe they got included with other countries that we are bombing and they know that they are next.

TheCount
02-05-2017, 02:46 PM
Back to the topic at hand. Ensuring to the best of our ability that those entering the U.S. are not individuals with plans to kill Americans.In the entire history of the United States, how many individuals entered the US from those countries and then killed Americans?`