TX-Dallas teacher loses job after being exposed as porn star 16 years prior

[Anti Federalist]

Shitty situation: sounds like she called cops on drunk driver and somebody took great offense at that (cool).

This person then "doxxes" her, causing her to lose her job. (not cool).

Ron Paul woman as well.



Middle school science teacher, 38, fights to keep her job after her past as a porn star 13 years ago is exposed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4184374/Teacher-leave-past-pornography-revealed.html

http://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/02/Resa-Woodward-teacher-porn-star-twitter-640x480.jpg

Resa Woodward taught sixth grade science at middle school in Dallas, Texas
Woodward said she was forced into pornography about 16 years ago by an older man she was living with during times of financial strain
She appeared in 16 films, including compilations, largely from 2001 to 2004
But she received her master's degree and became a successful teacher
In the fall 2016, a man who disagreed with her revealed her past on social media

By Jessica Chia For Dailymail.com

Published: 09:49 EST, 2 February 2017 | Updated: 17:51 EST, 2 February 2017

A middle school teacher is fighting to keep her job after it was revealed she was an adult film actress in at least 16 productions.

Resa Woodward, 38, taught sixth grade science at the Young Women's Science Technology Engineering and Math Academy at Balch Springs Middle School in Dallas, Texas, and was placed on administrative leave in late November.

Woodward said she was forced into pornography more than a decade ago, and since received a master's degree and become a successful teacher, the Dallas Morning News reported.

Resa Woodward (pictured) taught sixth grade science at the Young Women's Science Technology Engineering and Math Academy at Balch Springs Middle School

Woodward, who worked as an adult film actress under the name Robyn Foster, appeared in at least 16 films, mostly between 2001 and 2004. Some compilation films including her past performances were released as recently as 2013.

Woodward claims she was forced into pornography in times of financial strain by an older man she was living with, and said: 'That involvement was not of my own choosing.'

She decided to pursue a different career and worked in education for 15 years before the Dallas Independent School District received an anonymous tip regarding Woodward's past on March 10.

But the ensuing investigation concluded that 'Woodward’s past participation in pornography does not in itself constitute a policy violation', according to records obtained by the Dallas Morning News.

The 38-year-old said she was allowed to continue teaching as long as her past remained private, she said.

Months later, Woodward, who is an active member of the Libertarian Party of Texas, shared an experience she had calling the police on a drunk driver.

She shared the post on Facebook, and a Libertarian man from another state opposed her views of the police and revealed her past on social media.

When Woodward told the school district, they placed her on administrative leave, and said they were pursuing termination 'because it became public', she told the Dallas Morning News.

Woodward, who says she has received pay increases at the all-girls school in the last two years, also questioned what her termination would signal to her students.

She said: 'I taught in an all-girls STEAM academy that was all about empowerment for women. The sad thing is that if these girls find out that I’m being punished for something that I did nearly 20 years ago and had no control of and fought to get out of, well, what does that say about empowerment?'

Woodward has filed an appeal with the Texas Education Agency, but a spokesperson said an independent review was not going to be pursued because it was not submitted correctly.

The school district spokesperson said Woodward is still on administrative leave as an investigation continues.

[dannno]

she called cops

There is a lesson here somewhere...

[Feeding the Abscess]

The person who did the outing, ironically, ended up going all in for Trump. Criticizing someone else for utilizing police when you go balls deep for Trump is perplexing, at best.

He also posted constant anti-women content, mostly about exes, and occasionally about his mother. He didn't choose his relationship with his mother, but he clearly chose the relationships with his exes. He also continued to communicate with them. There's a common denominator in all of that, and it wasn't everybody else.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

'I taught in an all-girls STEAM academy...



Steam. All girls. Yeah, I could see that.


http://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/02/Resa-Woodward-teacher-porn-star-twitter-640x480.jpg

[sam1952]

Months later, Woodward, who is an active member of the Libertarian Party of Texas, shared an experience she had calling the police on a drunk driver.

See something, say something.

She shared the post on Facebook, and a Libertarian man from another state opposed her views of the police and revealed her past on social media.

See something, say something.

[timosman]

Months later, Woodward, who is an active member of the Libertarian Party of Texas, shared an experience she had calling the police on a drunk driver.

See something, say something.

She shared the post on Facebook, and a Libertarian man from another state opposed her views of the police and revealed her past on social media.

See something, say something.

But this is not the same thing!:cool:

[sam1952]

No it's not the same thing, I just found a little irony in it :)

[timosman]

No it's not the same thing, I just found a little irony in it :)

That's how the argument goes.:cool:

[alucard13mm]

Her alias is important :p.. time to do some research on Robyn Foster

[timosman]

Did she participate in the pussy march?

[brushfire]

I dig the tattoo

[juleswin]

Sad story and even sadder that I was tempted for a short minute to look up her porn history.

Must resist
Must resist

Must resist...........

[presence]

Woodward said she was forced into pornography about 16 years ago by an older man she was living with during times of financial strain
[]
she had calling the police on a drunk driver
[]
I’m being punished for something that I did nearly 20 years ago and had no control of and fought to get out of, well, what does that say about empowerment


Did he stick a gun in your face?
Else, drop it with the forced victim drama bullshit and be frank:
You got a roof and in voluntary exchange you gave up some legalized hooker ass on film.
Now you're wearing a freedom hat and revolution tat while ratting people out for statutory violations, more victim drama.
Then you're getting your panties in a wod when your gov't job boss fires you, for whatever reason, as if you're entitled to a job, yet more victim drama.

You're not being "punished" for anything.
You are simply not valuable to this employer any longer.
The cat is out of the bag and bossman thinks your mere presence encourages little kids to look up porn online.

Move on and get past yourself.
Actions have consequences.

[tod evans]

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Nailed it! ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Calling the kops was the deal breaker for me, fuckin' rat.

[jkr]

Sad story and even sadder that I was tempted for a short minute to look up her porn history.

Must resist
Must resist

Must resist...........
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wt07sgEnJys/TzMulZdTfYI/AAAAAAAAIFk/lhc3tDX2Om0/s1600/picard3+as+locutus+a+BORG.jpg

[fedupinmo]

The person who did the outing, ironically, ended up going all in for Trump. Criticizing someone else for utilizing police when you go balls deep for Trump is perplexing, at best.

He also posted constant anti-women content, mostly about exes, and occasionally about his mother. He didn't choose his relationship with his mother, but he clearly chose the relationships with his exes. He also continued to communicate with them. There's a common denominator in all of that, and it wasn't everybody else.

Will he get a W2 from Soros this year? Sounds too "good" to be true...

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/t/houseplant-12450911.jpg

[juleswin]

Did he stick a gun in your face?
Else, drop it with the forced victim drama bull$#@! and be frank:
You got a roof and in voluntary exchange you gave up some legalized hooker ass on film.
Now you're wearing a freedom hat and revolution tat while ratting people out for statutory violations, more victim drama.
Then you're getting your panties in a wod when your gov't job boss fires you, for whatever reason, as if you're entitled to a job, yet more victim drama.

You're not being "punished" for anything.
You are simply not valuable to this employer any longer.
The cat is out of the bag and bossman thinks your mere presence encourages little kids to look up porn online.

Move on and get past yourself.
Actions have consequences.

Serious question, you are driving home from a family outing and you see a drunk driver speeding and driving in a reckless way or same scenario, driving home with wife and kids and witness a bunch of kids street racing. What do you do?

- Ignore them and drive home
- Try to resolve the problem
- or Call the cops

In my scenario I specifically made the drunk driver and street racers a danger to the public. So please answer with that in consideration.

[presence]

Must resist...........

http://www.elephanttube.com/search/Robyn%20Foster
http://www.porn.com/pornstars/robyn-foster-7671


'That involvement was not of my own choosing.'


lol

[presence]

Serious question, you are driving home from a family outing and you see a drunk driver speeding and driving in a reckless way or same scenario, driving home with wife and kids and witness a bunch of kids street racing. What do you do?

- Ignore them and drive home
- Try to resolve the problem
- or Call the cops

In my scenario I specifically made the drunk driver and street racers a danger to the public. So please answer with that in consideration.

1) Do you believe this individual INTENDED to cause you harm? mens rea
2) Did you apprehend imminent harm from this individual? actus reus

if not BOTH, then you have no LAWFUL claim of violence.

I don't believe in arbitrary statutory public dangers.
I believe in natural law:
No Victim = No Crime.
Ignore them and drive home.



Generally, the essential elements of assault consist of an
act intended
to cause an apprehension of harmful or offensive contact
that causes apprehension
of such contact in the victim.



http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Assault

[Anti Federalist]

There is a lesson here somewhere...

Wonder what that could be?

Just to be clear my "cool" remark was directed at the fellow who was indignant at her doing that.

At least that is what I'm assuming.

Anybody here FedBook that can post the exchange?

[Anti Federalist]

The person who did the outing, ironically, ended up going all in for Trump. Criticizing someone else for utilizing police when you go balls deep for Trump is perplexing, at best.

He also posted constant anti-women content, mostly about exes, and occasionally about his mother. He didn't choose his relationship with his mother, but he clearly chose the relationships with his exes. He also continued to communicate with them. There's a common denominator in all of that, and it wasn't everybody else.

Can you post the exchange?

[juleswin]

I don't believe in public dangers.
I believe in natural law:
No Victim = No Crime.
Ignore them and drive home.

That is pretty hardcore. Hate to say it but I am definitely calling the cops. I think you have a different opinion after you have taken care of a patient who was hit by a drunk driver. You cannot imagine how many pieces your pelvis can be broken into.

And yes, it doesn't have to come from a drunk driver but it is especially infuriating when it comes from a drunk driver. I think bad actors in society should sent to the police. The other way I look at it is this way, if I was living in an anarchic society and driving the the privately owned and serviced private roads, would I call the private security if I saw the same thing? and the answer is yes.

Now If I was someone parked by the road drunk and trying to sleep it off. I wouldn't call the cops even though that is technically considered drunk "driving".

[timosman]

The porn industry should put a statement about being unfairly demonized. They provide employment to so many people without talent.:cool:

[presence]

That is pretty hardcore. Hate to say it but I am definitely calling the cops.

why not?

a statutory rat doesn't have a nickle in the outcome;
there's no reason for honesty amid illegalisms...
just point fingers and watch the SJW state violence unfold



if I was living in an anarchic society

Your assault claim, if unfounded, would expose you to counter suit.


Any plaintiff must be cautious in impleading persons in an action.

http://www.unifiedinjury.com/content/what-happens-if-someone-wrongfully-brings-personal-injury-claim-against-me

[Brian4Liberty]

Can you post the exchange?

Yeah, before judging her reporting of a drunk driver, we would have to know the details of how that went down.

[presence]

Yeah, before judging her reporting of a drunk driver, we would have to know the details of how that went down.

There is an easy way to resolve that.

simple question:

did she report an vehicular assault as a plaintiff
or victim drama snitch on statutory drunk driver?

its kind of like:

did she report a sexual assault as a plaintiff
or victim drama weasel out of personal responsibility while girl2 softly sucked dude's cum from her ass for a free apartment?

[juleswin]

why not?

a statutory rat doesn't have a nickle in the outcome;
there's no reason for honesty amid illegalisms...
just point fingers and watch the SJW state violence unfold




Your assault claim, if unfounded, would expose you to counter suit.



http://www.unifiedinjury.com/content/what-happens-if-someone-wrongfully-brings-personal-injury-claim-against-me

Come on man, a drunk driving driving recklessly is an accident waiting to happen. Its no different from a drunk person waving a loaded gun in public. You don't have to wait for him/her to start shooting to act.

Sorry but I am not waiting to hear about an actual accident before I report the case. This is the exception to the rule that says it is never a good idea to call the police.

[CaptUSA]

Yeah, before judging her reporting of a drunk driver, we would have to know the details of how that went down.

I see what you did there.

[timosman]

or victim drama weasel out of personal responsibility while girl2 softly sucked dude's cum from her ass for a free apartment?

She's not a victim drama. This stuff happened for real.:cool:

[juleswin]

The porn industry should put a statement about being unfairly demonized. They provide employment to so many people without talent.:cool:

Blasphemy young man, you have no idea what talent is. For example, Police men have no talents while porn stars are oozing with talents.

[timosman]

Blasphemy young man, you have no idea what talent is. For example, Police men have no talents while porn stars are oozing with talents.

Not according to this story. :cool:

[69360]

I would only call the cops if there was imminent danger. Real danger like all over the road into oncoming traffic danger. How else do some of you propose to deal with that? You can't stop them yourself, the cops would come after you for it. Sometimes Libertarian utopia isn't practical.

[juleswin]

I would only call the cops if there was imminent danger. Real danger like all over the road into oncoming traffic danger. How else do some of you propose to deal with that? You can't stop them yourself, the cops would come after you for it. Sometimes Libertarian utopia isn't practical.

It's funny the person calling libertarian society a utopia would only call the police only if there is imminent danger. Like the police can just show up in 1 min or so after they are called. If you are going to wait until it is a drunk driver driving into oncoming traffic, then you are not that much different from a libertarian extremist who you ironically criticize.

Btw in a libertarian society, I am 100% sure that vast majority of the people would still call road security when they see a clearly drunk person driving down they road. I bet that most people libertarian or not wouldn't wait until the last possible minute to call security cos nobody who cares about their safety wants to share the road with a drunk driver even if said driver was going in the right direction in traffic.

[presence]

nobody who cares about their safety wants to share the road with a drunk driver even if said driver was going in the right direction in traffic.

every time you get in a car you invariably pass drunks on the other side
in their own lane, minding their own business, and harming no one
and time and time again you go on your merry way oblivious

those that actually get caught and pay hard time and money for this supposed offense
represent a drop in the bucket of what is actually out there

but but but soccer mom was on her cellphone when she drove past me... I was so scared

[Suzanimal]

She reported herself?:confused:


Months later, Woodward, who is an active member of the Libertarian Party of Texas, shared an experience she had calling the police on a drunk driver.

She shared the post on Facebook, and a Libertarian man from another state opposed her views of the police and revealed her past on social media.

When Woodward told the school district, they placed her on administrative leave, and said they were pursuing termination 'because it became public', she told the Dallas Morning News.

[presence]

She reported herself?:confused:

a drama queen cannot exist without an audience

5603

[Valli6]

Yeah, before judging her reporting of a drunk driver, we would have to know the details of how that went down.
Exactly. Calling the cops on a guy only because you happen to know he just had 5 or 6 drinks - that's being an a$$hole, but for all we know this guy was driving stupidly and hit her, or side swiped a couple cars.

Also it's not that unusual for persons who are broke to feel "forced" into taking extreme measures to pay off debts. Maybe this is how she paid for her education? I notice she chose to teach at an all girls school - devoid of any young porn-seeking males who might dig into her past. She did manage to totally turn her life around. Redemption is a positive thing - and God knows we don't need more leftists teaching kids their warped ideology.

[fisharmor]

Sorry but I am not waiting to hear about an actual accident before I report the case. This is the exception to the rule that says it is never a good idea to call the police.
I think it's been shown beyond the faintest shadow of a doubt, on this very site, over the course of the decade I've been paying attention, that when you call the cops, there is a non-zero, in some cases fairly substantial, chance that someone is going to die.

When you call the cops on the person weaving in and out of traffic, you're saying that that person has forfeited his life.

[juleswin]

I think it's been shown beyond the faintest shadow of a doubt, on this very site, over the course of the decade I've been paying attention, that when you call the cops, there is a non-zero, in some cases fairly substantial, chance that someone is going to die.

When you call the cops on the person weaving in and out of traffic, you're saying that that person has forfeited his life.

Actually that is not true, you know, one of my guilty pressures is watching the prison documentaries on MSNBC and watching it, you would not believe how many times someone whose life was going in the wrong direction got it turned around because of an arrest. Encounters with the police can sometimes be a needed wake up call.

Also, the saying about the media that goes like this "if it bleeds, it leads" applies to the horror stories we hear about cops. I mean, no reporter would spend the time reporting on the millions of other interactions between the police and citizen where nothing bad happened. The selective reporting by the media is the biggest reason why we have this very bad impression about the police.

On the other hand, anyone who puts my life in danger by driving drunk deserves the police. Like Frank rep says "he brought it on him/herself.

[TheTexan]

There is a lesson here somewhere...

That the hot ones are almost always crazy?

[Brian4Liberty]

Exactly. Calling the cops on a guy only because you happen to know he just had 5 or 6 drinks - that's being an a$$hole, but for all we know this guy was driving stupidly and hit her, or side swiped a couple cars.

Also it's not that unusual for persons who are broke to feel "forced" into taking extreme measures to pay off debts. Maybe this is how she paid for her education? I notice she chose to teach at an all girls school - devoid of any young porn-seeking males who might dig into her past. She did manage to totally turn her life around. Redemption is a positive thing - and God knows we don't need more leftists teaching kids their warped ideology.

It sounds like she did turn her life around, and deserves a chance.

Here they are concerned about someone who overcame adversity to become a teacher, yet every week it seems that there is a new story about some relatively young female teacher who wants to become a porn star with her students...

[Brian4Liberty]

She reported herself?:confused:

She probably thought it was the right thing to do, and "doing right" would result in some amount of leniency...

[CPUd]

When I used to go for job interviews, I would tell them in the interview the titles of all the adult videos I have been in. It was really weird because I wasn't getting called back, but one time I didn't do that and I got hired.

[TheTexan]

you would not believe how many times someone whose life was going in the wrong direction got it turned around because of an arrest.

I agree, I don't think we're sending enough people to prison.

[CaptUSA]

When I used to go for job interviews, I would tell them in the interview the titles of all the adult videos I have been in. It was really weird because I wasn't getting called back, but one time I didn't do that and I got hired.

Bestiality porn has that effect on people. ;)

[TheTexan]

When I used to go for job interviews, I would tell them in the interview the titles of all the adult videos I have been in. It was really weird because I wasn't getting called back, but one time I didn't do that and I got hired.

Pics or didnt happen

[CPUd]

Bestiality porn has that effect on people. ;)

interspecies erotica!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNB-m48TlbI

[pcosmar]

I would only call the cops if there was imminent danger.

and if there were no Cops to call.. (in a more perfect world)

what would you do?

see this is exactly the problem.. Lack of responsibility.

You want it stopped,, YOU stop it,, or you don't, and go about your own business.

This whole idea of calling for a gunman rather than taking responsibility is disturbing.

[Suzanimal]

vvv This the impression I'm getting with the facts that have been presented.


a drama queen cannot exist without an audience

5603

[tod evans]

and if there were no Cops to call.. (in a more perfect world)

what would you do?

see this is exactly the problem.. Lack of responsibility.

You want it stopped,, YOU stop it,, or you don't, and go about your own business.

This whole idea of calling for a gunman rather than taking responsibility is disturbing.

+rep!

[presence]

The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988


Actually that is not true, you know, one of my guilty pressures is watching the prison documentaries on MSNBC and watching it, you would not believe how many times someone whose life was going in the wrong direction got it turned around because of an arrest. Encounters with the police can sometimes be a needed wake up call.

tell me more about these amazing anecdotes learned of on a state monopoly propagandist channel


The selective reporting by the media is the biggest reason why we have this very bad impression about the police.

It couldn't be 16 dead dogs and 6 dead people daily.


Police men have no talents while porn stars are oozing with talents.

Indeed nobody would pay for police salaries without police coercion.

Pornstars on the other hand can easily find willing parties willing to pay $1000 for an hour or two of their time.

[presence]

This whole idea of calling for a gunman rather than taking responsibility is disturbing.

the whole calling a gunman thing; its the same as the government funded abortion issue

not only are they calling a gunman.... with impunity... but they are calling a gunman to do something I DONT WANT and forcing me to pay for it

[Feeding the Abscess]

Can you post the exchange?

The person in question has had many sock accounts on facebook, most (all?) of which have been banned. I'm not even certain which account is actually their name or identity, if any, or if they're currently using the site.

[juleswin]

vvv This the impression I'm getting with the facts that have been presented.

Et tu Suz?

What facts have you seen that made you think that cartoon represented the events that was described in the OP article? And no she did not report herself per say.


Months later, Woodward, who is an active member of the Libertarian Party of Texas, shared an experience she had calling the police on a drunk driver.

She shared the post on Facebook, and a Libertarian man from another state opposed her views of the police and revealed her past on social media.

When Woodward told the school district, they placed her on administrative leave, and said they were pursuing termination 'because it became public', she told the Dallas Morning News.

She was told by the school admin that if the story went public, it would lead to a possible termination and while she was living her life and being politically active, some dickhead decided to doxx her and make her porn story public. This is when she proactively trigger the inevitable and informed the administration of the doxxing. This is not the same thing as her "reporting herself."

There seems to be little to no compassion around her for someone who is definitely a team member, it seems like we are too quick around here to eat our own and that is very sad.

[juleswin]

The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

tell me more about these amazing anecdotes learned of on a state monopoly propagandist channel

Well what do you know, it turns out Ron Paul is not always right. Any experience can make you a better person. But speaking of police encounters, they provide a safe and controlled way of "hitting rock bottom" and it's a clique that people in bad situations need to hit rock bottom to get their sh*t in order



It couldn't be 16 dead dogs and 6 dead people daily.

Indeed nobody would pay for police salaries without police coercion.

Pornstars on the other hand can easily find willing parties willing to pay $1000 for an hour or two of their time.

16 dead dogs and over 6 dead per day and that is out of how many million encounters? Sorry but you would have a totally diff opinion of the police had the media been reporting on every police encounter in the country.

I would pay for security even without the state. Ofc, I would only pay enough for my own protection and not a cent more to harass me for doing something like smoking weed or patronizing that lovely Ron Paul lady.

And no, you cannot easily find someone to pay $1000 for 1-2 hrs of your time. Maybe $200 but $1000 is premium plus territory and most guys are not looking for that kind of a good time.

[69360]

and if there were no Cops to call.. (in a more perfect world)

what would you do?

see this is exactly the problem.. Lack of responsibility.

You want it stopped,, YOU stop it,, or you don't, and go about your own business.

This whole idea of calling for a gunman rather than taking responsibility is disturbing.

You misunderstood. I would call the cops because if I handled it myself, I would suffer reprisals from the cops. In a perfect world I could take care of the situation. In the world we live in, I'd call the cops because it's the only option available.

[pcosmar]

In the world we live in, I'd call the cops because it's the only option available.

Expand your options.

[106459]

Ah yes, nothing like the irate minority on a minority forum (or other arbitrary percentage thereof)... Anyways, my initial thoughts are that this is a sad story. Angering as well, I get the feeling that even Texas has any number of anti-discrimination laws or list of reasons why you can't fire someone without cause, yet it seems they want to be held to a lower standard. In the interest of limited government, Texas should have any of those restrictions its passed strictly enforced on itself.

I'm not understanding the "never-call-the-cops" sentiment in this thread. I would self-identify as extremely anti-cop, I have a lovely category in my personal finance for "government extortion" in my finance software, and have no immediate desire to call them for any reason outside of a personally life threatening emergency, for better or worse.

With that said, it doesn't seem reasonable to blame someone for calling the cops in the proposed scenario of egregious drunk driving. It seems like the "be a hero" sentiment is being pushed, where there's the idea that a normal person is expected to initiate a pursuit against a suspect, perform intervention techniques as needed, and neutralize threats? Call me crazy, but I'd like to think there are alternatives to having me (an 8-5 sit at a computer all day guy) personally resolve the issue. I can't begin to imagine all the liability induced by me attempting to ensure a dangerously drunk driver is taken off the road. I guarantee I wouldn't risk my lifelihood to do anything different, other stay the hell away from him. Other unsuspecting people, or those unfortunate enough to not have an option to react? Probably less lucky.

To clarify, again we'd be talking about egregious drunk driving where a guy is pretty clearly not controlling his vehicle. It isn't so much a comparison of there is a piss-drunk guy with a properly holstered and secured gun walking around, but that he's now actively holding it, it's being waved around and pointed at you for you or anyone less fortunate to be shot at a moments notice.
-To add, I also absolutely despise the current "drunk driving campaign", where everytime I go to a bar and have 1-2 drinks I have to have 4 different people tell me "dont drink and drive (hurr-durr)". I can see the backlash of why people get pissed off when drunk driving is talked about now, because honestly, there are plenty of people who drink and drive safely.

Anyways, just wanted to express the above sentiments. Back on topic, my immediate thoughts are this is BS where the government fired someone they no longer liked whereas they require other private companies to retain them all the time.

[phill4paul]

Like Frank rep says "he brought it on him/herself.

About all I needed from you to bring my respect to zero.

[presence]

BS where the government fired someone

what happened to BS where the government hired someone?

[pcosmar]

I'm not understanding the "never-call-the-cops" sentiment in this thread.

It is very simple.

It starts with the definition of Police. And that means "to Control".
They are an authoritarian construct.. imported to this country from Authoritarian nations.

Free people do not need to be controlled.. and the idea that they do is rooted in elitism.

Police should not exist,, and in fact can not exist in a free society.

Period.

[pcosmar]

You can't stop them yourself, the cops would come after you for it.

and just why is that?

Oh yeah,, because they exist..

That needs to change.

[phill4paul]

It'd be a hell of a thing to call in a drunk driving report only to have the drunk driver flee arrest, at the first whiff of cop, and guarantee 105 miles an hour wreck.

[106459]

what happened to BS where the government hired someone?

Hahaha, I don't recall that being brought up - if we're going to fire everyone in public education, get our tax money back, and fund private institutions that'd be great :). Otherwise, I'm not optimistic her replacement will be quite as friendly to our causes.

On that note, yeah - hopefully she can get a better job at a private institution, that reminds me of my personal policy of never working for the government.

[fisharmor]

Actually that is not true, you know, one of my guilty pressures is watching the prison documentaries on MSNBC and watching it, you would not believe how many times someone whose life was going in the wrong direction got it turned around because of an arrest. Encounters with the police can sometimes be a needed wake up call.
Translation: law is not there to settle disputes between individuals. Law is there to control your behavior and make you act in a manner according to the state's wishes.

I mean, I wouldn't call you a fascist pig if you hadn't been on this site for the last six years, because I'd know you were likely never exposed to any idea other than the one you just espoused. But here we are, apparently.


Also, the saying about the media that goes like this "if it bleeds, it leads" applies to the horror stories we hear about cops. I mean, no reporter would spend the time reporting on the millions of other interactions between the police and citizen where nothing bad happened. The selective reporting by the media is the biggest reason why we have this very bad impression about the police.

Ok, so there are no stories of cops doing good things? None at all?
I remember some of them being posted here by people who thought the same way you do. They always boiled down to cops doing what we would expect any random person to do. Like picking up an infant out of a garbage heap, or trying to get an elderly person out of a burning car.
Congratulations, cop, you acted like a human being. You deserve a medal!


On the other hand, anyone who puts my life in danger by driving drunk deserves the police. Like Frank rep says "he brought it on him/herself.
So yes, you are saying that if someone has three drinks in a hour and gets behind a wheel, that person deserves to die.

[106459]

It is very simple.

It starts with the definition of Police. And that means "to Control".
They are an authoritarian construct.. imported to this country from Authoritarian nations.

Free people do not need to be controlled.. and the idea that they do is rooted in elitism.

Police should not exist,, and in fact can not exist in a free society.

Period.

Taking a crack at replying here without having to contemplate an over-arching end-all philosophy...

Assuming the definition of the police is "to control", I'm not sure why that has to be immediately applied to all people, as opposed to rightful criminals? I can see how under our current government the concern is to create a "people" who are criminals at any point in time for any reason, but that strikes me as more a problem of our form of government rather than the existence of the police. From an initial perspective, police controlling an appropriate definition of criminal seems like a good thing.

Personally, I can see myself as having a higher quality-of-life if there was a way to keep criminals from having a negative impact on me or society, without implying that I become personally responsible for resolving all issues (and accepting the liabilities involved). I suppose that's how law enforcement came to be, the idea that someone can't just commit a crime (get away, move states), life a normal life and repeat, because there's an agency who's job it is to ensure that criminals are apprehended/subsequently sentenced to justice.

With that said, I can understand how that's ultimately a personal preference, and you actually shouldn't be required to buy-in to my notions of a good society. I suppose that's why a lot of people got together and tried to establish a limited (and partitioned government) to form a baseline people could agree upon, which had criminal laws introduced at various levels, and law enforcement created.

I think we both see the current clusterfuck the current government is, but if it had to be recreated I would probably still vote to have a police force, at whatever level of government that's appropriate. I get the feeling you wouldn't, I'm open to alternative ideas if there's a good theory not involving an otherwise unrelated individual having sole responsibility (and authority) to apprehend or not apprehend a criminal when they may just want to live their life.

[juleswin]

Translation: law is not there to settle disputes between individuals. Law is there to control your behavior and make you act in a manner according to the state's wishes.

Different laws are enacted for different reason, saying "the law" is this or not is too much of a broad statement for me to work with. Drunk driving laws even though they used in a secondary way to collect state fund is primarily there to keep the roads safe. They are put in the law books to remove dangerous actors from the road. This law would be enforced even in private run roads


I mean, I wouldn't call you a fascist pig if you hadn't been on this site for the last six years, because I'd know you were likely never exposed to any idea other than the one you just espoused. But here we are, apparently.

I mean, I wouldn't call you an ideologue because I do not believe that you would act like your forum persona when faced with the scenario in real life. I think this is just talk.


Ok, so there are no stories of cops doing good things? None at all?
I remember some of them being posted here by people who thought the same way you do. They always boiled down to cops doing what we would expect any random person to do. Like picking up an infant out of a garbage heap, or trying to get an elderly person out of a burning car.
Congratulations, cop, you acted like a human being. You deserve a medal!

Well, it is not a secret that the vast majority of the police stories covered in the media is of the police misbehaving variety. Yes there are exception to every rule and congratulations, you found it.


So yes, you are saying that if someone has three drinks in a hour and gets behind a wheel, that person deserves to die.

The scenario that I am going by is the one I asked presence and that is "What would you do if you witnessed a drunk/impaired driver, speeding and driving reckless on the road?" I really do not care how much someone drink just as long as they are driving safely on the road. The 3 drink criteria is not what I am arguing about.

[presence]

I'm open to alternative ideas

grant police no powers beyond the common mundane
remove all involuntary tax funding
all volunteer force
problem solved

[juleswin]

About all I needed from you to bring my respect to zero.

Congratulation to me!!!!

Going from our history the last few weeks, that number must have gone way up from a much bigger -ive number. I must go out tonight to celebrate this great news but just know I would be thinking about you when drinking tonight. Don't worry, uber will be driving me home tonight, hate to bring some of that police brutality upon myself :)

[106459]

grant police no powers beyond the common mundane
remove all involuntary tax funding
all volunteer force
problem solved

Just as you may have additional stipulations if it came to fruition, I reserve the right to any reservations :).


grant police no powers beyond the common mundane
-Seems reasonable. All people should have the right to apprehend a criminal, and that's the only power police should need. Makes sense.


remove all involuntary tax funding
-Seems appropriate, no one should have to pay for something they don't want (and particularly won't use, especially in its current state).
• It would raise concern with others that a vital service won't get funding, and not exist.
o I'd argue that a vital service would get funding, and if it didn't then it must not be so vital
• It raises the concern that people could avoid paying for a service but still enjoy all the benefits
o I suppose it'd be appropriate for those who pay to receive benefits as intended, but those in need to have accessibility via a pre-determined private rate (determined solely by the police agency, which presumably does want to uphold law and service as many people as possible ... otherwise, grounds for another agency to crop up)


all volunteer force
• Presumably, the any funding the agency would receive would be enough to compensate volunteers. (Otherwise, I’ll be spending my life taking a job that puts food on my table).
o Presumably, any concerns about inadequate funding aren’t relevant. In my mind, I imagine a “coming of age” PSA put together by someone/organization that cares, telling you that you’re an adult and these are the things you need to know/pay for (or these are the consequences). No other cure for stupidity I don’t think, not off-hand.
• Having to be paid a full-time wage for full-time work kind of makes them seem more like employees ... and raises concerns about employee/employer liability, specifically in regards to excessive force/violation of individual rights
o Granted police are the saviors that people claim them to be, I don’t see why there wouldn’t be an insurance agency that could provide affordable insurance to the “volunteer” officers, and that their compensation would afford them this. Added benefit of bad/uninsurable officers being forced out due to their own financial concerns.

Great start, if not more. I would especially like the idea that people could de-fund the agency if it had bad policy, which is the incentive to change.

With all that out of the way, and under the assumption that we live in a world with your ideal police force, if you saw a drunk driver (visibly maintaining inadequate control of his vehicle, drifting from lane etc), would you call those police as a legitimate concern? Or does your previous post #19 stand? (Which I summarize as no violence/no issue – no call).

[pcosmar]

-Seems reasonable. All people should have the right to apprehend a criminal, and that's the only power police should need. Makes sense.

.
Not a right.. but a duty.

one that has been abdicated by most. and replaced with reliance on Govt.

[106459]

Not a right.. but a duty.

one that has been abdicated by most. and replaced with reliance on Govt.

I came "this" close to editting that into my post:). I would agree, it would be a duty for someone who saw a blatant crime to ensure it's stopped.

That said, I envisioned my hypothetical scenario where my wife (who sadly, is hypothetical) is driving down the road and witnesses a drunk driver who's a clear threat to any other driver near them. Unfortunately, as a husband, I would probably just encourage my wife to pull off the road and stay away from him, so she can come back to me (in my own selfish human desire).

So I suppose that's the not-so-black-and-white reality in my mind at the moment, people have duties, but I would never presume that people will selflessly fulfill their obligations.

[sam1952]

-Seems reasonable. All people should have the right to apprehend a criminal, and that's the only power police should need. Makes sense.
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https://youtu.be/9efgLHgsBmM

Sorry, it's Friday night and just seemed appropriate :cool:

[Suzanimal]

Et tu Suz?

What facts have you seen that made you think that cartoon represented the events that was described in the OP article? And no she did not report herself per say.



There seems to be little to no compassion around her for someone who is definitely a team member, it seems like we are too quick around here to eat our own and that is very sad.

I don't want to eat her, jules.:p She was forced into porn? Really? She wasn't some young kid, she was a 21 year old woman, ffs. Honestly, I don't care if she did porn but I'd have more respect for her if she just point blank owned up to it. She's coming across as a perpetual victim.

She made a poor choice in her youth and it's coming back to bite her. I've been there. I totally sympathize with her but at least I had the balls to own up to my mistake and not blame someone else for forcing me to do it.



She was told by the school admin that if the story went public, it would lead to a possible termination and while she was living her life and being politically active, some dickhead decided to doxx her and make her porn story public. This is when she proactively trigger the inevitable and informed the administration of the doxxing. This is not the same thing as her "reporting herself."

Actually, I reread the story and someone called and complained about her porn past and that's when the school told her it could lead to termination if it became public. Then the guy outed her on FB and that's when she reported herself as outed to the school. I can see why she reported herself and I can see why they're letting her go.

As far as the guy who doxxed her goes, he's a douche. I'm not sure what she can about him. Personally, I would out him for being a douche bag but that's me. His name would've been all over those articles.

[Valli6]

She wasn't some young kid, she was a 21 year old woman, ffs
You don't think being 21 years old is still very young? You must be 22.

[Suzanimal]

You don't think being 21 years old is still very young? You must be 22.

Sure. A twenty one year old is a young ADULT. A grown up, not a kid. And it's been awhile since I've seen 21 or 22.

I'm not bashing the woman for doing porn (for three years - I guess she was forced for three years?) and I commend her for getting her shit together but it's my opinion that she's playing the victim card. I'm not excusing the douche bag for doxxing her, either. He's clearly an ass who deserves a taste of his own medicine.

I suppose I could be wrong. The older man she was living with who desperately needed money could've been forcing her to star in 16 (if I recall correctly) films over three years in her early twenties. o_O

[pcosmar]

You don't think being 21 years old is still very young? You must be 22.

It was when I was robbing banks.

and no one "forced" me to do that either.

Lots of people do stupid stuff that they survive and learn from.

of course I was not too young at 17 to volunteer for VietNam either.

[KrokHead]

We should be encouraging porn stars to change careers. Texas teachers' unions must be impotent.

[Dr.3D]

So what does it matter what she did for a living before she became a teacher?

[tod evans]

So what does it matter what she did for a living before she became a teacher?

Cute broads who fuck for money are hated by everyone they're not fucking....

Some'll hate her for being cute, others for not fucking them,while others will hate her for fucking without a ring on her finger...

[Dr.3D]

Cute broads who fuck for money are hated by everyone they're not fucking....

Some'll hate her for being cute, others for not fucking them,while others will hate her for fucking without a ring on her finger...
And many of those same people will say they are loving their neighbor as they love themselves.

[nikcers]

And many of those same people will say they are loving their neighbor as they love themselves. Our warped sense of fairness turns this into an eye for an eye. Hate thy neighbor as thy hate themselves. I think if we expect others to treat us fairly then we should start with the government being an example of fairness. If people in Sub-zero temperatures can't burn wood for heat then why does California always seem to be on fire and not get any heat for it? If Clinton broke the law she should be subject to the laws that she helped establish.

[John F Kennedy III]

Her alias is important :p.. time to do some research on Robyn Foster

Way ahead of you.

[jct74]

saw this on r/libertarian today, some more details to the story:

https://libertyviral.com/how-a-libertarian-jerk-ruined-aanother-libertarians-career/