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Suzanimal
02-01-2017, 05:52 AM
San Francisco became the first city to sue the Trump Administration over immigration policy on Tuesday, as City Attorney Dennis Herrera announced a federal lawsuit regarding so-called sanctuary cities.

Flanked by lawyers at City Hall, the city attorney criticized President Trump's executive order seeking to cut federal funding to cities that restrict the amount local officials will cooperate with federal immigrations agents.

"The president's executive order is not only unconstitutional, it's un-American. That's why we must stand up and oppose it," he said. "This is not a step I take lightly but it's one that is necessary to protect the people of this city, this state and this country from the overreach of a president who has shown little respect for our Constitution, states rights or the rule of law."

The federal funds potentially at stake for San Francisco, which amount to over $1.2 billion, have not yet been cut, but Herrera argued the lawsuit was necessary to prevent that from happening.

Herrera cited previous case law that suggests the federal government "can't put a financial gun" to the head of local and state governments in order to force them "to act as its agents." Said Herrera: "That remains true no matter who is in charge of Washington, D.C."

"Obey the rule of law. Abide by the Constitution," he said when asked if he had a message for Trump. "You're not [an] emperor who rules by fiat."

Along with the executive order, the lawsuit filed in California's Northern District challenges a federal statute related to information-sharing between state and federal authorities. In addition to Trump and the United States, the suit names Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly and acting attorney general Dana Boente.

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http://time.com/4655515/san-francisco-lawsuit-sanctuary-city-trump/?xid=time_socialflow_twitter



Make Every State a Sanctuary State

CBS reports that "California may prohibit local law enforcement from cooperating with federal immigration authorities, creating a border-to-border sanctuary in the nation’s largest state as legislative Democrats ramp up their efforts to battle President Donald Trump’s migration policies."

In this context, of course, California — should the proposed legislation pass — would decline to participate in helping federal agents enforce federal immigration law.

In terms of American political and legal traditions, California is well within its rights, and by refusing to assist federal agents would simply be building on a past tradition in which state governments have refused to assist the federal government with a number of policies.

A Long History of Nullifying Federal Laws

Historically, the more famous of these cases include:

Several Northern states refused to assist federal agents with capturing (i.e., kidnapping) fugitive slaves.
Kentucky and Connecticut refused to provide military assistance to the federal government in the Civil War and the War of 1812, respectively.
Colorado (and other states) currently refuse to assist the federal government in prosecuting and arresting marijuana users.
Other states have proposed additional forms of nullification in this regard including refusals to assist the federal government with enforcing Obamacare and federal gun laws. Such cases are not merely symbolic. In practice, the federal government possesses nowhere near the resources necessary to enforce federal law consistently without the assistance of state and local law enforcement. Moreover, this becomes all the more true if federal budgets are squeezed.

Not only are refusals to comply with federal laws well grounded in historical practice, but they also have Supreme Court decisions on their side. In the 1842 Supreme Court case Prigg v. Pennsylvania, justice Joseph Story — writing for the majority — noted that states cannot be compelled to enforce federal laws:

The fundamental principle applicable to all cases of this sort, would seem to be, that where the end is required, the means are given; and where the duty is enjoined, the ability to perform it is contemplated to exist on the part of the functionaries to whom it is entrusted. The clause is found in the national Constitution, and not in that of any state. It does not point out any state functionaries, or any state action to carry its provisions into effect. The states cannot, therefore, be compelled to enforce them; and it might well be deemed an unconstitutional exercise of the power of interpretation, to insist that the states are bound to provide means to carry into effect the duties of the national government, nowhere delegated or instrusted to them by the Constitution.
There is little doubt that many Trump supporters, and other advocates for powerful and centralized federal power, will complain that California must help the federal government in its immigration laws.

Not only is this claim generally untrue, it is especially ungrounded in Constitutional realities in the case of immigration. As Judge Napolitano has pointed out, "[T]he Constitution itself — from which all federal powers derive — does not delegate to the federal government power over immigration, only over naturalization."

The two are not the same thing, and this distinction also partly explains how, in the nineteenth century, 22 American states and territories granted voting rights to non-citizens.

When we look at how limited the federal government should rightly be in these cases, we see that one of the few federal powers here is the power of federal spending. Should California wish to ignore federal laws, the federal government can and should withhold federal spending from California. The sooner states get used to making do with less federal money, the better. Indeed, federal spending is critical in expanding centralized federal power. If federal spending loses its importance as a source of funding for state governments, the US will become increasingly decentralized.

California is well aware of federal threats to cut funds, but given the immense amount of tax revenue produced by Californians, California has proposed limiting its own payments to the federal government.

Every State Should be a Sanctuary State

This sort of state independence cuts both ways, however. If California establishes — yet again — that states can ignore and even inhibit federal arrests and prosecutions in the states, then it becomes all the easier for other states to refuse to enforce federal gun laws, federal drug laws, Obamacare, or federal mandates that states provide welfare programs and "free" taxpayer-funded services to non-citizens.1

The only tool the federal government should have in these cases is to cut off funding. This is a very powerful tool, mind you, but it is also hardly a given that every state would face disaster if facing a cut in federal spending. Nor is this a one-way street. for political reasons, the federal government wants to spend money in the states just as much as the states want to receive it.

So, let's make every state a sanctuary from federal gun laws, federal immigration law, federal drug laws, federal election laws, and more.

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https://mises.org/blog/make-every-state-sanctuary-state

Jamesiv1
02-01-2017, 06:01 AM
No federal soup for you, California.

spudea
02-01-2017, 07:16 AM
Pretty sure if an attorney general really wanted to take a marijuana state to court, fed government would win, supremacy clause and all that. They are mercifully allowed nullification unless you really piss off the feds. Same with immigration.

AZJoe
02-01-2017, 07:43 AM
San Francisco's argument will have trouble. Unfortunately South Dakota v. Dole (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota_v._Dole) which involved the nationalization of the drinking age to 21 held that the federal government could "put a financial gun" [highway funds], as the article describes, to the state and local governments to make them agents of the federal government - implement and enforce a national drinking age.

AZJoe
02-01-2017, 07:44 AM
So San Francisco has now become an advocate for Nullification (https://www.amazon.com/Nullification-Resist-Federal-Tyranny-Century/dp/1596981490/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485956681&sr=8-1&keywords=nullification). Imagine that.

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William Tell
02-01-2017, 08:47 AM
So San Francisco has now become an advocate for Nullification (https://www.amazon.com/Nullification-Resist-Federal-Tyranny-Century/dp/1596981490/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485956681&sr=8-1&keywords=nullification). Imagine that.

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Yeah, exactly.


Flanked by lawyers at City Hall, the city attorney criticized President Trump's executive order seeking to cut federal funding to cities that restrict the amount local officials will cooperate with federal immigrations agents.

"The president's executive order is not only unconstitutional, it's un-American. That's why we must stand up and oppose it," he said. "This is not a step I take lightly but it's one that is necessary to protect the people of this city, this state and this country from the overreach of a president who has shown little respect for our Constitution, states rights or the rule of law." Not sure those words have ever been uttered in SF before.

Scrapmo
02-01-2017, 10:16 AM
So the left are States rights, constitutionalist now? Where were ya the last 8 years?

brushfire
02-01-2017, 11:28 AM
Good for Kalifornia - the federal government should not be able to use coercion to force things such as obamacare. I hope they further the precedent.

GunnyFreedom
02-01-2017, 11:38 AM
Pretty sure if an attorney general really wanted to take a marijuana state to court, fed government would win, supremacy clause and all that. They are mercifully allowed nullification unless you really piss off the feds. Same with immigration.

That's really not what Article VI says. There is this funny little word in there, “Pursuance.” Has a pretty profound effect on what the sentence actually says. I really wish the members of our government had a better grasp on simple English grammar and syntax.

Dr.3D
02-01-2017, 11:56 AM
So now with California working toward making the entire state a sanctuary state, can they redraw the border so California is now a part of Mexico?

asurfaholic
02-01-2017, 02:56 PM
Caiforniaians are not constitutionalists if they think that their constitutional rights are being violated when they are denied tax dollars from citizens of another state.

They clearly missed something.

shakey1
02-01-2017, 03:48 PM
So the left are States rights, constitutionalist now? Where were ya the last 8 years?

Dems always seem to get a free pass.

Brian4Liberty
02-01-2017, 04:37 PM
Caiforniaians are not constitutionalists if they think that their constitutional rights are being violated when they are denied tax dollars from citizens of another state.

They clearly missed something.

Yeah, that part is funny. "It's our constitutional right for the federal government to give us money!"

Dr.3D
02-01-2017, 06:23 PM
So now with California working toward making the entire state a sanctuary state, can they redraw the border so California is now a part of Mexico?

Of course then they'll need a longer wall.

seapilot
02-01-2017, 08:02 PM
All of California is now on an FBI watch list.

https://patriotpost.us/alexander/12553

oyarde
02-01-2017, 09:07 PM
http://time.com/4655515/san-francisco-lawsuit-sanctuary-city-trump/?xid=time_socialflow_twitter



https://mises.org/blog/make-every-state-sanctuary-state

San Francisco Federal Funds must be stopped . Cal Exit Now .