Obama Selected The List Of Muslim Countries in Trump’s Executive Order

[LibertyEagle]

According to the draft copy of Trump's executive order, the countries whose citizens are barred entirely from entering the United States is based on a bill that Obama signed into law in December 2015.

Obama signed the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act as part of an omnibus spending bill. The legislation restricted access to the Visa Waiver Program, which allows citizens from 38 countries who are visiting the United States for less than 90 days to enter without a visa.

Though outside groups such as the American Civil Liberties Union and NIAC Action — the sister organization of the National Iranian American Council — opposed the act, the bipartisan bill passed through Congress with little pushback.

At the initial signing of the restrictions, foreigners who would normally be deemed eligible for a visa waiver were denied if they had visited Iran, Syria, Sudan or Iraq in the past five years or held dual citizenship from one of those countries.

In February 2016, the Obama administration added Libya, Somali and Yemen to the list of countries one could not have visited — but allowed dual citizens of those countries who had not traveled there access to the Visa Waiver Program. Dual citizens of Syria, Sudan, Iraq and Iran are still ineligible, however.

So, in a nutshell, Obama restricted visa waivers for those seven Muslim-majority countries — Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen — and now, Trump is looking to bar immigration and visitors from the same list of countries.

more here:
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/01/29/news-bulletin-the-list-of-muslim-nations-in-trumps-socalled-muslim-ban-are-ones-obama-choose-n2278021

[shakey1]

wonder why Saudi Arabia & Afghanistan didn't make the cut?

[afwjam]

Oh ok. So they are working together? Kinda like Obama and Romney worked together on ACA and the way the last five presidents including trump are working together to make us less safe by breeding terrorists in the desert? Glad you approve of the authoritarians, bow down and kiss their ring.

[Pizzo]

"Obama didn't start these wars, Bush did" Obama didn't create the patriot act, Bush did" Obama didn't create the drone program, Bush did" and so on and so forth.
I mean if the point is that it is false outrage from the left, fine, agreed. But if a case for justifying something is the piece of shit before you started it, i think that's silly.

[CaptUSA]

Oh, well if Obama did it... that changes everything. :rolleyes:

https://media.giphy.com/media/5OKXdMkMNgMrC/giphy.gif

Left, Right, Left, Right.............

[phill4paul]

Oh, well if Obama did it... that changes everything. :rolleyes:

https://media.giphy.com/media/5OKXdMkMNgMrC/giphy.gif

Left, Right, Left, Right.............

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CaptUSA again.

[donnay]

"Obama didn't start these wars, Bush did" Obama didn't create the patriot act, Bush did" Obama didn't create the drone program, Bush did" and so on and so forth.
I mean if the point is that it is false outrage from the left, fine, agreed. But if a case for justifying something is the piece of $#@! before you started it, i think that's silly.

But Obama didn't stop them he expanded them. It really goes further back to Bush Sr.

ETA:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtlO39wIRWs

[CPUd]

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https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/825823957597167616

[seapilot]

wonder why Saudi Arabia & Afghanistan didn't make the cut?

https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iFQO_2U8bXVg/v5/800x-1.png


https://griid.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/afghanistanmapsmall.jpg

[phill4paul]

825823957597167616
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/825823957597167616

You should probably listen to LE instead of this Justin Amash hack. What the hell does he know? It's not like he is a principled liberty Congressman.

[Pizzo]

But Obama didn't stop them he expanded them. It really goes further back to Bush Sr.

ETA:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtlO39wIRWs

Exactly. And what trump is doing is an expansion on what Obama did, no? What I wrote was put into quotation marks because those are the nonsense excuses Dems used the last eight years, not what I personally said.

[donnay]

Exactly. And what trump is doing is an expansion on what Obama did, no? What I wrote was put into quotation marks because those are the nonsense excuses Dems used the last eight years, not what I personally said.

My apologies, I understand what you're saying now. Trump is enforcing what Obama implemented and didn't do, I wouldn't say expanding it. If Trump was doing what the Democrats are alleging that he is doing; "stopping Muslims," the list would have been expanded.

[Jan2017]

. . . Trump is looking to bar immigration and visitors from the same list of countries.


Temporarily for the next 90 days while security changes implemented/intensified - seems prudent,
and in three months with new security in place Trump could look good here.

[enhanced_deficit]

Barack Obama Started Muslim Ban (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?507013-Kellyanne-Conway-Barack-Obama-Started-Muslim-Ban&)

[Pizzo]

My apologies, I understand what you're saying now. Trump is enforcing what Obama implemented and didn't do, I wouldn't say expanding it. If Trump was doing what the Democrats are alleging that he is doing; "stopping Muslims," the list would have been expanded.
This just came across the news wires I have at work. Disclosure, source of article is Washington post so grains of salt and all that jazz.

13:43 (US) Trump administration reportedly circulates draft executive order to further restrict immigration and foreign travel to the US - press - Draft order calls for significant change to how the US administers immigrant and nonimmigrant visas overall; to tightly control who enters the country and who can enter the workforce; and to reduce inflow of immigrants who are more likely to use social services - Order would rescind work visa provisions for foreign nationals found not to be in 'the national interest' or in violation of immigration laws - Source TradeTheNews.com

[enhanced_deficit]

This just came across the news wires I have at work. Disclosure, source of article is Washington post so grains of salt and all that jazz.

..; and to reduce inflow of immigrants who are more likely to use social services - Order would rescind work visa provisions for foreign nationals found not to be in 'the national interest' or in violation of immigration laws /QUOTE]

If that is mong the main the criterion being used by Trump, it would explain confusion in media. Media had started with the label "muslim ban". It was also called "refugee ban" and was even called banning of people who look like Obma etc.
But in the end unrest and following are the criterion being used?

[QUOTE]Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

Alan Gomez , USA TODAY Published Sept. 2, 2015

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/


Incidentally, such reports have been refuted by others based on quick search.

[CPUd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRxozK6Bpvk

[Ender]

You should probably listen to LE instead of this Justin Amash hack. What the hell does he know? It's not like he is a principled liberty Congressman.

Ya think? :rolleyes:

People who have worked to get here LEGALLY for years are being turned away at US airports. This whole thing is disgusting.

[Zippyjuan]

more here:
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/01/29/news-bulletin-the-list-of-muslim-nations-in-trumps-socalled-muslim-ban-are-ones-obama-choose-n2278021

The Act Obama signed didn't list any specific countries (actually it does mention Iraq and Syria but no others- Trump lists seven countries). Neither did it ban immigrants from any countries. Read it here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/158/text

[Jan2017]

Ya think? :rolleyes:

People who have worked to get here LEGALLY for years are being turned away at US airports. This whole thing is disgusting.

Then if they are all legal and cool then they wait an additional 90 days if from (or through)
one of the seven nations on immigration/refugee hold.

Intel may have indicated that it was better to shut down any cracks while new security clearances issued individually.
Legal entries have their apple cart turned over in the first 100 days of Trump administration but eventually get in.

[Ender]

Then if they are all legal and cool then they wait an additional 90 days if from (or through)
one of the seven nations on immigration/refugee hold.

Intel may have indicated that it was better to shut down any cracks while new security clearances issued individually.
Legal entries have their apple cart turned over in the first 100 days of Trump administration but eventually get in.

Apparently you haven't heard of the Christian Syrians who were sent home after reaching the Philly airport? They had prepared for 15 years to make the trip and be with family- and were entirely legal.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/01/31/after-trump-executive-order-syrian-christians-sent-back-to-genocide-zone-n2279296

[Jan2017]

Apparently you haven't heard of the Christian Syrians who were sent home after reaching the Philly airport? They had prepared for 15 years to make the trip and be with family- and were entirely legal.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/01/31/after-trump-executive-order-syrian-christians-sent-back-to-genocide-zone-n2279296

OK not fair, and it becomes 15 years and 90 days for those that any new legalities check out.

It is turning over the apple cart for those, but there could be someone that was trying to slide under the radar
before changes and enforcement of a new US administration.

[Ender]

OK not fair, and it becomes 15 years and 90 days for those that any new legalities check out.

It is turning over the apple cart for those, but there could be someone that was trying to slide under the radar
before changes and enforcement of a new US administration.

Where do they go for 90 days? Back to the killing zone?

[enhanced_deficit]

If this graph is accurate, Obama was admitting few hundred syrian refugees per month during most of his term... that is a drop in ocean considering that millions of Syrians have been displaced due to his mideast destabilization policies:



https://i2.wp.com/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/08/11/05/article-3734124-371938FB00000578-832_964x499.jpg

[AZJoe]

"Muslim refugees are a problem for the US and Europe because the US and its NATO puppets have bombed a large number of Muslim countries entirely on the basis of lies. One might have thought, that with all its experience of war, the Western countries would be aware that wars produce refugees. But apparently not.The easiest and most certain way to deal with the problem of Muslim refugees is to stop the bombings that produce refugees." - PCR

It is dreadfully unfortunate however that the same people who march against this ban, would not march against the wars and bombings that produced the refugees in the first place.

[CPUd]

Detroit family caught in Iraq travel ban, mom dies waiting to come home
Mike Hager said his mom would still be alive today if not for the travel ban instituted by President Donald Trump.
By: Amy Lange

Posted:Jan 31 2017 05:33PM EST

Updated:Jan 31 2017 10:30PM EST

DETROIT (WJBK) - A local business owner flies to Iraq to bring his mother back home to the US for medical treatment. But under President Trump's ban on immigration and travel from seven predominately Muslim nations, he was forced to leave his family behind.

His mother died just one day after being told she couldn't return to the United States.

Mike Hager fled Iraq with his family during the Gulf War, returned during the Iraq war and worked alongside United States Marines and Army forces. He now owns a business in Metro Detroit and said his mom would still be alive today if President Donald Trump had not instituted his travel ban on Muslim countries.

Hager said he was returning home with his family that included his sick mom. They were returning home to the United States where his mother has lived since 1995. As they were waiting in line at the airport in Iraq on Friday, he was told that he could pass through because he was a U.S. citizen. But his family members - including his mom - weren't allowed, despite holding green cards.
Detroit family caught in Iraq travel ban, mom dies waiting to come home

"They destroyed us. I went with my family, I came back by myself. They destroyed our family," Hager said.

Hager was born in Iraq and fled during the Gulf War. He lived in a refugee camp with his family for four years before settling in the United States. In the 2000s, he returned to Iraq where he worked as a contractor for the United States Special forces between 2003 and 2008 as an interpreter and cultural advisor. He even survived being shot in the back while serving.

He's a proud American citizen whose family has now been torn apart.

"The immigration told us that the President of the United States put an order right now - you guys cannot go," he told FOX 2's Amy Lange.

Hager, his niece, and two nephews were traveling with his 75-year-old mother, Naimma, home to Michigan. They traveled to Iraq to visit family and when she fell ill. Hager said he didn't expect it to be a problem for the family to travel since they all had green cards and had lived in the United States for 20 years.

"I was just shocked. I had to put my mom back on the wheelchair and take her back and call the ambulance and she was very very upset. She knew right there if we send her back to the hospital she's going to pass away - she's not going to make it," Hager said.
http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/232856168-story

[timosman]

wonder why Saudi Arabia & Afghanistan didn't make the cut?

They start with A! They don't?! :eek:

[AZJoe]

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[Jan2017]

wonder why Saudi Arabia & Afghanistan didn't make the cut?

That is why I think this is significant . . .
maybe the same intel as President BO about something with these seven nations - Trump just freezes it until it's sorted out.
If these are the seven that need separate high-security resources than maybe Rand should re-introduce a bill
to address this from the legislative branch side.

Afghanistan and Arabia, Saudi were in Rand's list of 33 nations, an amendment that did not make it through the Senate in 2015.

Only 10 Senators Vote to Pause Immigration From ‘High Risk’ Countries


Paul’s amendment would have designated 33 countries as “high risk” and placed moratoriums on refugee resettlement and visa issuance to nationals from those countries until the Secretary of State, Secretary of Homeland Security, and Director of National Intelligence certify and new processes to identify security risks.

The 33 countries included: Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Egypt, Eritrea, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, Libya, Mali, Morocco, Nigeria, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tajikistan, Tunisia,Turkey, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Yemen, and the Palestinian Territories.

The bill would also have required a 30-day security review of immigrants seeking to enter the U.S., even if the traveler was from a country participating in the Visa Waiver Program.

Just 10 senators, all Republicans — including Paul — voted in favor of the legislation Thursday: Sen. John Barrasso (R-WY), Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), Sen. Mike Enzi (R-WY), Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT), Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL), Sen. Mark Kirk (R-IL), Sen. Jerry Moran (R-KS), Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL), and Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) —
Kirk, Moran, Lee and Shelby are all up for reelection and Vitter is retiring next year.

One senator —Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA) — did not vote and 89 senators voted against the proposal.