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Suzanimal
01-30-2017, 10:39 AM
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Written by Ron Paul
Monday January 30, 2017

Just one week in office, President Trump is already following through on his pledge to address illegal immigration. His January 25th executive order called for the construction of a wall along the entire length of the US-Mexico border. While he is right to focus on the issue, there are several reasons why his proposed solution will unfortunately not lead us anywhere closer to solving the problem.

First, the wall will not work. Texas already started building a border fence about ten years ago. It divided people from their own property across the border, it deprived people of their land through the use of eminent domain, and in the end the problem of drug and human smuggling was not solved.

Second, the wall will be expensive. The wall is estimated to cost between 12 and 15 billion dollars. You can bet it will be more than that. President Trump has claimed that if the Mexican government doesn’t pay for it, he will impose a 20 percent duty on products imported from Mexico. Who will pay this tax? Ultimately, the American consumer, as the additional costs will be passed on. This will of course hurt the poorest Americans the most.

Third, building a wall ignores the real causes of illegal border crossings into the United States. Though President Trump is right to prioritize the problem of border security, he misses the point on how it can be done effectively and at an actual financial benefit to the country rather than a huge economic drain.

The solution to really addressing the problem of illegal immigration, drug smuggling, and the threat of cross-border terrorism is clear: remove the welfare magnet that attracts so many to cross the border illegally, stop the 25 year US war in the Middle East, and end the drug war that incentivizes smugglers to cross the border.

The various taxpayer-funded programs that benefit illegal immigrants in the United States, such as direct financial transfers, medical benefits, food assistance, and education, cost an estimated $100 billion dollars per year. That is a significant burden on citizens and legal residents. The promise of free money, free food, free education, and free medical care if you cross the border illegally is a powerful incentive for people to do so. It especially makes no sense for the United States government to provide these services to those who are not in the US legally.

Likewise, the 40 year war on drugs has produced no benefit to the American people at a great cost. It is estimated that since President Nixon declared a war on drugs, the US has spent more than a trillion dollars to fight what is a losing battle. That is because just as with the welfare magnet, there is an enormous incentive to smuggle drugs into the United States.

We already know the effect that ending the war on drugs has on illegal smuggling: as more and more US states decriminalize marijuana for medical and recreational uses, marijuana smuggling from Mexico to the US has dropped by 50 percent from 2010.

Finally, the threat of terrorists crossing into the United States from Mexico must be taken seriously, however once again we must soberly consider why they may seek to do us harm. We have been dropping bombs on the Middle East since at least 1990. Last year President Obama dropped more than 26,000 bombs. Thousands of civilians have been killed in US drone attacks. The grand US plan to “remake” the Middle East has produced only misery, bloodshed, and terrorism. Ending this senseless intervention will go a long way toward removing the incentive to attack the United States.

I believe it is important for the United States to have secure borders, but unfortunately President Trump’s plan to build a wall will end up costing a fortune while ignoring the real problem of why people cross the borders illegally. They will keep coming as long as those incentives remain.


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LibertyEagle
01-30-2017, 10:45 AM
Ron had 40 years to try to get that done when he was in Congress. Didn't happen; nor will it happen now. Trump is doing what he CAN do.

CaptUSA
01-30-2017, 10:53 AM
Ron had 40 years to try to get that done when he was in Congress. Didn't happen; nor will it happen now. Trump is doing what he CAN do.

"Government will never give up their power; so they have to increase it and use it the right way!"

amirite?!

robert68
01-30-2017, 10:58 AM
Hispanics are just as likely as whites to identify themselves as libertarian, 11% to 12%.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/08/25/in-search-of-libertarians/

Hispanics are more libertarian than most on US foreign policy. In particular, more than any other group they oppose “US drone strikes against extremists”, 54% to 39%:
http://www.people-press.org/2015/05/28/public-continues-to-back-u-s-drone-attacks/

Brian4Liberty
01-30-2017, 11:23 AM
I agree with Ron. Never been a fan of the "border wall". Obviously it makes sense in some places, but not worth the expense along the entire border. I agree with Trump's decision to add more Border Patrol agents to the border itself. Technology will also help. More than anything, actually having the Border Patrol do their job will help, as opposed to Obama's faux enforcement.

Get rid of the welfare magnet. And enforce existing law.

bunklocoempire
01-30-2017, 01:42 PM
"Government will never give up their power; so they have to increase it and use it the right way!"

amirite?!

What could has possibly actually go gone wrong?

There is no escalate and flinch with Dr. Paul. :cool: Rights make right.

oyarde
01-30-2017, 02:42 PM
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I agree . At this point , how can people not be willing to give it a try ?

CPUd
01-30-2017, 02:49 PM
Assault gators are much cheaper and are better shots.

https://i.imgur.com/mZUfciLh.jpg

LibertyEagle
01-30-2017, 02:52 PM
"Government will never give up their power; so they have to increase it and use it the right way!"

amirite?!

Trump isn't increasing the size of government. Not yet, anyway. He's enforcing our laws.

LibertyEagle
01-30-2017, 02:53 PM
I agree . At this point , how can people not be willing to give it a try ?

Oh, come on, now. AFter all this time on the forums, you don't know why Congress is unwilling to go against all the money that other interests have been lining their pockets with?

Influenza
01-30-2017, 03:26 PM
Trump isn't increasing the size of government. Not yet, anyway. He's enforcing our laws.

Not increasing the size of government? So the wall's gonna be free? Enforcing our laws? You mean like banning hundreds of thousands of green card holders from leaving and reentering the country?

undergroundrr
01-30-2017, 03:58 PM
LibertyEagle is right. Guys, he's only been our dear leader for 11 days. Let him actually DO something to our country before you jump to conclusions. I know he's TALKED about $1 trillion in infrastructure spending and massive armed forces tumescence. But lets wait until he actually DOES it. Reducing government CAN'T BE DONE. You should know that by now. For once we have somebody actually taking up the fasces and ACTING.

I suppose you guys would have rather had Nazi cakes all over the place. Sheesh

CaptUSA
01-30-2017, 05:56 PM
Trump isn't increasing the size of government. Not yet, anyway. He's enforcing our laws.

Are you seriously this intellectually dishonest?! Did you read the article? We are talking about the wall. Not only is he talking about a HUGE public works project, but he is also talking about increasing the number of federal agents. But ok... this is just "enforcing our laws". :rolleyes:

Ender
01-31-2017, 02:53 PM
Are you seriously this intellectually dishonest?! Did you read the article? We are talking about the wall. Not only is he talking about a HUGE public works project, but he is also talking about increasing the number of federal agents. But ok... this is just "enforcing our laws". :rolleyes:

Unconstitutional laws, at that. :rolleyes:

CaptainAmerica
01-31-2017, 03:10 PM
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they would be out marching for their "rights" to steal my money in a heart beat.

Mach
01-31-2017, 07:44 PM
Ron Paul speaks, people should listen (spread it).

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/01/ron-paul/better-solution-wall/


Third, building a wall ignores the real causes of illegal border crossings into the United States. Though President Trump is right to prioritize the problem of border security, he misses the point on how it can be done effectively and at an actual financial benefit to the country rather than a huge economic drain.

The solution to really addressing the problem of illegal immigration, drug smuggling, and the threat of cross-border terrorism is clear: remove the welfare magnet that attracts so many to cross the border illegally, stop the 25 year US war in the Middle East, and end the drug war that incentivizes smugglers to cross the border.

The various taxpayer-funded programs that benefit illegal immigrants in the United States, such as direct financial transfers, medical benefits, food assistance, and education, cost an estimated $100 billion dollars per year. That is a significant burden on citizens and legal residents. The promise of free money, free food, free education, and free medical care if you cross the border illegally is a powerful incentive for people to do so. It especially makes no sense for the United States government to provide these services to those who are not in the US legally.


It's true, if Trump would just follow Step 3 the WALL would become obsolete.... hopefully Trump is not just feeding surface crap just to get people pumped, Repubs have the Majorities, so where's his plan for cutting benefits to, Illegal people?

openfire
01-31-2017, 08:00 PM
Leaked Executive Order Reveals Trump Crackdown On Immigrant Welfare

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-31/leaked-executive-order-reveals-trump-crackdown-immigrant-welfare

cindy25
01-31-2017, 08:02 PM
this should apply to legal and illegal immigrants

seapilot
01-31-2017, 08:18 PM
Leaked Executive Order Reveals Trump Crackdown On Immigrant Welfare

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-31/leaked-executive-order-reveals-trump-crackdown-immigrant-welfare

from the article:


The Washington Post reports that The Trump administration is considering a plan to weed out would-be immigrants who are likely to require public assistance, as well as to deport — when possible — immigrants already living in the United States who depend on taxpayer help, according to a draft executive order obtained by The Washington Post.

Following a little bit of RP advice? This could be fake as its from the WaCompost.

PatriotOne
01-31-2017, 08:49 PM
Ron Paul speaks, people should listen (spread it).

It's true, if Trump would just follow Step 3 the WALL would become obsolete.... hopefully Trump is not just feeding surface crap just to get people pumped, Repubs have the Majorities, so where's his plan for cutting benefits to, Illegal people?

I'm confident the plan is in the works.

As for the necessity of the wall, the concerns are child trafficking, organ trafficking, drug trafficking, and those pesky terrorists we created after bombing the middle east for decades. I have no doubts the NWO globalists would bring them in over the border themselves and arm them to cause chaos and attempt to overthrow Trump. They've been overthrowing other governments successfully for a long time now by training, arming, and putting terrorists on location. It's been planned all along to overthrow our government to force us to give up our sovereignty to the U.N. when they were done using us as their military arm.

THAT is what the wall is for. To stop THAT activity.

Though I suspect we already have some sleeper cells here in the country.

CPUd
01-31-2017, 08:52 PM
I'm confident the plan is in the works.

As for the necessity of the wall, the concerns are child trafficking, organ trafficking, drug trafficking, and those pesky terrorists we created after bombing the middle east for decades. I have no doubts the NWO globalists would bring them in over the border themselves and arm them to cause chaos and attempt to overthrow Trump. They've been overthrowing other governments successfully for a long time now by training, arming, and putting terrorists on location. It's been planned all along to overthrow our government to force us to give up our sovereignty to the U.N. when they were done using us as their military arm.

THAT is what the wall is for. To stop THAT activity.

A wall won't stop that. You're talking about a lot of very lucrative black market stuff. They will dig tunnels and sell ladders.

CPUd
01-31-2017, 08:57 PM
Check this shit out, dudes built submarines:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqYoif-9c64

P3ter_Griffin
01-31-2017, 09:02 PM
A wall won't stop that. You're talking about a lot of very lucrative black market stuff. They will dig tunnels and sell ladders.

^^ Like a lot of government policy, a wall for some is a hurdle for others.

Feeding the Abscess
01-31-2017, 11:27 PM
Trump isn't increasing the size of government. Not yet, anyway. He's enforcing our laws.

If a left fascist rises to power and uses indefinite detention provisions on constitutionalists, I'm sure you'll dispassionately state that the president is merely enforcing laws.

GunnyFreedom
01-31-2017, 11:40 PM
Trump isn't increasing the size of government. Not yet, anyway. He's enforcing our laws.

LMAO! As much as you despise Ron Paul's foreign policy nowadays, your avatar clearly amounts to false advertizing. Why are you so intent to put Ron Paul's name and image onto something he obviously and overtly despises? Are you intentionally trying to subvert and destroy Ron Paul's legacy of liberty? Because it sure looks like it.