The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave

[LibertyEagle]

The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave
Why can’t our immigration authorities deport the hordes of illegal felons in our cities?
Heather Mac Donald
Winter 2004


Some of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens. Yet in cities where the crime these aliens commit is highest, the police cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them: their immigration status. In Los Angeles, for example, dozens of members of a ruthless Salvadoran prison gang have sneaked back into town after having been deported for such crimes as murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and drug trafficking. Police officers know who they are and know that their mere presence in the country is a felony. Yet should a cop arrest an illegal gangbanger for felonious reentry, it is he who will be treated as a criminal, for violating the LAPD’s rule against enforcing immigration law.

The LAPD’s ban on immigration enforcement mirrors bans in immigrant-saturated cities around the country, from New York and Chicago to San Diego, Austin, and Houston. These “sanctuary policies” generally prohibit city employees, including the cops, from reporting immigration violations to federal authorities.

Such laws testify to the sheer political power of immigrant lobbies, a power so irresistible that police officials shrink from even mentioning the illegal-alien crime wave. “We can’t even talk about it,” says a frustrated LAPD captain. “People are afraid of a backlash from Hispanics.” Another LAPD commander in a predominantly Hispanic, gang-infested district sighs: “I would get a firestorm of criticism if I talked about [enforcing the immigration law against illegals].” Neither captain would speak for attribution.

But however pernicious in themselves, sanctuary rules are a symptom of a much broader disease: the nation’s near-total loss of control over immigration policy. Fifty years ago, immigration policy might have driven immigration numbers, but today the numbers drive policy. The nonstop increase of immigration is reshaping the language and the law to dissolve any distinction between legal and illegal aliens and, ultimately, the very idea of national borders.

much more here:
https://www.city-journal.org/html/illegal-alien-crime-wave-12492.html

[timosman]

Let's wait for an opposing view to be presented by one of our resident shills. :rolleyes:

[Contumacious]

The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave
Why can’t our immigration authorities deport the hordes of illegal felons in our cities?
Heather Mac Donald
Winter 2004



much more here:
https://www.city-journal.org/html/illegal-alien-crime-wave-12492.html

I have a right to life, liberty , property and to pursue happiness. I am 70 years old. An "illegal" immigrant has NEVER interfered with those rights. But the government and their GUN FREE ZONES have.


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[timosman]

I have a right to life, liberty , property and to pursue happiness. I am 70 years old. An "illegal" immigrant has NEVER interfered with those rights. But the government and their GUN FREE ZONES have.


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I am also a bit of a hermit but this does not prevent me from engaging in a meaningful discussion about things I have no idea about. :cool:

[RJ Liberty]

I'm no hermit, but my rights have never been violated by an illegal, either. The illegals I've encountered are hard-working people who clean toilets, mop floors, and do other work most Americans absolutely refuse to do.

[Contumacious]

I am also a bit of a hermit but this does not prevent me from engaging in a meaningful discussion about things I have no idea about. :cool:


I see , so what are the consequences if you prevent someone from working because he is an "illegal"?


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[timosman]

I'm no hermit, but my rights have never been violated by an illegal, either. The illegals I've encountered are hard-working people who clean toilets, mop floors, and do other work most Americans absolutely refuse to do.

With the bar set so high - my rights have never been violated - no wonder it is hard for you to see the problem.

[Ender]

I'm no hermit, but my rights have never been violated by an illegal, either. The illegals I've encountered are hard-working people who clean toilets, mop floors, and do other work most Americans absolutely refuse to do.

That is also my experience.

[timosman]

I see , so what are the consequences if you prevent someone from working because he is an "illegal"?


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None, just like showing how stupid you are on the internets. :cool:

[Contumacious]

None, just like showing how stupid you are on the internets. :cool:



Hummmmmmmmmmm

Did a Mexican screw your wife?


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[LibertyEagle]

That is also my experience.

Kate Steinle does not agree with your "experience".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Kathryn_Steinle

http://cdn.thedcgazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Kate-3.jpg

[Superfluous Man]

Let's wait for an opposing view to be presented by one of our resident shills. :rolleyes:

Like Ron Paul?

[RJ Liberty]

That is also my experience.

Yes. I also have two friends who spent decades going through all the steps to become a US citizen. In both cases, the bureaucracy involved was utterly time-consuming and horribly daunting.

My friend Phi came over from Kampuchea (now Cambodia) in the 1970s. He was a refugee, and had been tortured by the Khmer Rouge. (Among other things, they placed bamboo sticks between his fingers and then bound his hands tightly; he once demonstrated this for me, and I was glad it was only for a few minutes). He fled a forced-labor camp and was almost killed by a US serviceman near what he now believes was the Laos/Vietnam/Kampuchea border. But he was accepted as a refugee, and came to America. He's now a doctor (M.D.), and spends much of his time overseas helping refugees. He's received awards from the Vatican for his selflessness in helping others. Although he spent eight years in medical school, he told me two years ago that the process of becoming a doctor was far easier than becoming a U.S. citizen. That is fucked up!

My friend Sylvia came to the US in 1968, from Mexico. She said as a schoolgirl in Mexico, she didn't even own shoes; her family came to America for a better life. She studied, and became a cataloging librarian in the 1970s, and she worked in some of the most prestigious libraries in the country while waiting to fully become a citizen, but she didn't actually become a US citizen until 2010. While waiting, she got married, had children, and even grandchildren. She said the process went at a snail's pace for years and years, in part because the bureau lost her application or proof of continuous residence multiple times. But she never gave up, and now there is a photo of her in my office, proudly waving the American flag, on the day she finally became an American.

[Superfluous Man]

With the bar set so high - my rights have never been violated - no wonder it is hard for you to see the problem.

Tell us, what is the problem we're supposed to see?

[timosman]

Tell us, what is the problem we're supposed to see?

May I direct your attention to the OP in the same thread you are spewing your pablum in. :cool:

[timosman]

Like Ron Paul?

This is a site violation. Quoted for posterity. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. :cool:

[Superfluous Man]

May I direct your attention to the OP in the same thread you are spewing your pablum in. :cool:

Oh, you mean the problem of anti-immigration people trolling Ron Paul Forums and pushing an ideology that goes against the site's mission.

Yes, that is a problem. I agree that it should be dealt with.

[timosman]

Oh, you mean the problem of anti-immigration people trolling Ron Paul Forums and pushing an ideology that goes against the site's mission.

Yes, that is a problem. I agree that it should be dealt with.

You definitely have my support on this one. :cool:

[BSWPaulsen]

I hope the likes of Contumacious, RJ Liberty, and Ender never criticize the police and expect anyone to sympathize with their opinion given their collective attitude expressed here.

When discussing police brutality or corruption the vast majority of people blithely respond with some variation of "They've never violated my rights". Occasionally they volunteer a story of a cop they knew, or one who helped them, and therefore all is right in the world. They'll concede a few bad apples, and move on. Nothing changes. Another person will be brutalized and the cycle repeats itself.

This is why liberty loses without a fight. How do you, Contumacious, expect anyone to take your issue with the government violating your rights seriously when you are so very capable of casually dismissing actual criminals that happen to be illegal immigrants by pointing out that you have never suffered because of them?

Just like it is a certainty there are corrupt cops, it is a certainty there are illegal immigrants that are criminals. Pointing out the good cops/immigrants does not negate the bad ones! It does not mean they are not a problem worth addressing!

Just like every effort should be made to eliminate corruption within law enforcement it is only logical every effort should be made to ensure a high quality of immigrant is the only one in this country. Failure on both fronts leads to the people of this country suffering further violations of their rights that are both unnecessary and destructive to the social cohesion that allows for productive environments.

[CaptainAmerica]

I have a right to life, liberty , property and to pursue happiness. I am 70 years old. An "illegal" immigrant has NEVER interfered with those rights. But the government and their GUN FREE ZONES have.


.maybe you should come visit my 84 year old grandma who has lived in her house for over 50 years, and her neighborhood has been peaceful and quiet until illegal aliens moved into her neighborhood and F_ED UP every single house.DO YOU NEED PICTURES to see? I can bring pictures next time.Want to see all the wild packs of dogs that run around by the 10-20s? Want to see the back alley that the city dump trucks no longer drive down because of the heaps of GARBAGE? Maybe I should show you how the entire neighborhood LOOKS LIKE COMPLETE UTTER warzone SHIT....yet they all have brand new vehicles down her block because they work for the cartel. She speaks english fluently,and spanish fluently,word is out that the mexican cartels been there for years.......I know my city, I know my grandmas neighborhood.....these assholes did not come here 40 years ago....they moved in quietly in the past 10 years.So try your bullshit elsewhere.

[RJ Liberty]

I hope the likes of Contumacious, RJ Liberty, and Ender never criticize the police

I'm not sure what "never criticizing the police" has to do with illegals in the US. I've criticized the police repeatedly, both here and in real life, for acts of brutality committed against both US citizens and non-citizens, and I'll continue to do so.



Just like it is a certainty there are corrupt cops, it is a certainty there are illegal immigrants that are criminals.

So go after the corrupt cops and go after the illegals that are harming people. But going after some guy because he's illegally here, causing no one harm, violates the non-aggression principle. Let the dude scrub toilets and mop floors in peace.

[timosman]

Let the dude scrub toilets and mop floors in peace.

If you are stupid enough to believe everybody's ambitions end up with scrubbing toilets and nobody is willing to take shortcuts to change that I have a bridge in Brooklyn.

[BSWPaulsen]

I'm not sure what "never criticizing the police" has to do with illegals in the US. I've criticized the police repeatedly, both here and in real life, for acts of brutality committed against both US citizens and non-citizens, and I'll continue to do so.

Can you not read? I said I hope you haven't criticized the police, because you are the exact sort of person that fully deserves your criticism to amount to nothing.

Why? Because you deserve to run into the They've never violated my rights defense given you willingly ignored the illegal immigrants that are criminals (thread topic, in case you missed it) in order to focus on the good ones.

I doubt you'd tolerate it from someone that wears rose-colored glasses for the police, but yet when it comes to immigrants here you are.



So go after the corrupt cops and go after the illegals that are harming people. But going after some guy because he's illegally here, causing no one harm, violates the non-aggression principle. Let the dude scrub toilets and mop floors in peace.

Read the article (which, I have no doubt, despite its age, is still pertinent today). It mentions the issues concerning going after illegals known to have caused harm.

This isn't about janitors, so stop being disingenuous.

[dannno]

I grew up near the largest illegal alien encampment in California history. I could easily have walked there from my house. I've lived in many hispanic neighborhoods as an adult. I've never had a problem with any of them individually......

However....

Illegal immigrants are more likely to use government services and welfare, and their kids and their grandchildren are more likely to use government services and welfare and also they are more likely to vote Democrat and vote for more redistribution of wealth.

This DOES affect my individual rights, it affects all of us, man, our basic freedoms - I have no problem with the ones who come here to work - but the way we have it setup is a big government program. The government helps bring them in, they help keep them here and they give them a bunch of free stuff, so they can get more Democrat votes. Wake up.

[Ender]

Kate Steinle does not agree with your "experience".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Kathryn_Steinle

http://cdn.thedcgazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Kate-3.jpg






Special Report

The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States

Immigration and Crime
By
Walter Ewing, Ph.D., Daniel E. Martínez, Ph.D. and Rubén G. Rumbaut, Ph.D.
July 13, 2015

For more than a century, innumerable studies have confirmed two simple yet powerful truths about the relationship between immigration and crime: immigrants are less likely to commit serious crimes or be behind bars than the native-born, and high rates of immigration are associated with lower rates of violent crime and property crime. This holds true for both legal immigrants and the unauthorized, regardless of their country of origin or level of education. In other words, the overwhelming majority of immigrants are not “criminals” by any commonly accepted definition of the term. For this reason, harsh immigration policies are not effective in fighting crime. Unfortunately, immigration policy is frequently shaped more by fear and stereotype than by empirical evidence. As a result, immigrants have the stigma of “criminality” ascribed to them by an ever-evolving assortment of laws and immigration-enforcement mechanisms. Put differently, immigrants are being defined more and more as threats. Whole new classes of “felonies” have been created which apply only to immigrants, deportation has become a punishment for even minor offenses, and policies aimed at trying to end unauthorized immigration have been made more punitive rather than more rational and practical. In short, immigrants themselves are being criminalized.
Immigrants are Less Likely to be Criminals Than the Native-Born

Higher Immigration is Associated with Lower Crime Rates

Between 1990 and 2013, the foreign-born share of the U.S. population grew from 7.9 percent to 13.1 percent and the number of unauthorized immigrants more than tripled from 3.5 million to 11.2 million.
During the same period, FBI data indicate that the violent crime rate declined 48 percent—which included falling rates of aggravated assault, robbery, rape, and murder. Likewise, the property crime rate fell 41 percent, including declining rates of motor vehicle theft, larceny/robbery, and burglary.

Immigrants are Less Likely than the Native-Born to Be Behind Bars

According to an original analysis of data from the 2010 American Community Survey (ACS) conducted by the authors of this report, roughly 1.6 percent of immigrant males age 18-39 are incarcerated, compared to 3.3 percent of the native-born. This disparity in incarceration rates has existed for decades, as evidenced by data from the 1980, 1990, and 2000 decennial censuses. In each of those years, the incarceration rates of the native-born were anywhere from two to five times higher than that of immigrants.
The 2010 Census data reveals that incarceration rates among the young, less-educated Mexican, Salvadoran, and Guatemalan men who make up the bulk of the unauthorized population are significantly lower than the incarceration rate among native-born young men without a high-school diploma. In 2010, less-educated native-born men age 18-39 had an incarceration rate of 10.7 percent—more than triple the 2.8 percent rate among foreign-born Mexican men, and five times greater than the 1.7 percent rate among foreign-born Salvadoran and Guatemalan men.

Immigrants are Less Likely Than the Native-Born to Engage in Criminal Behavior

A variety of different studies using different methodologies have found that immigrants are less likely than the native-born to engage in either violent or nonviolent “antisocial” behaviors; that immigrants are less likely than the native-born to be repeat offenders among “high risk” adolescents; and that immigrant youth who were students in U.S. middle and high schools in the mid-1990s and are now young adults have among the lowest delinquency rates of all young people.


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[RJ Liberty]

Want to see all the wild packs of dogs that run around by the 10-20s? Want to see the back alley that the city dump trucks no longer drive down because of the heaps of GARBAGE? Maybe I should show you how the entire neighborhood LOOKS LIKE COMPLETE UTTER warzone $#@!

It's pretty easy to blame things on "the other": someone different than you. That's how dictators have come to power.

But the hillbilly redneck town in Arizona where I lived in for many years had wild packs of roaming dogs throughout the 1990s and early 2000s, trashy vehicles, rampant alcoholism and meth use, and heaps of garbage in most backyards, despite the fact that the town is 87% white. Blaming illegals for all the problems doesn't cut it, any more than blaming "the blacks".

[RJ Liberty]

Can you not read? I said I hope you haven't criticized the police, because you are the exact sort of person that fully deserves your criticism to amount to nothing.

Why? Because you deserve to run into the They've never violated my rights defense given you willingly ignored the illegal immigrants that are criminals (thread topic, in case you missed it) in order to focus on the good ones.

Yes, I can read. Please spare me the "you deserve x" garbage.

I think your analogy makes no sense. I feel I have the right to oppose police violence in great part because I pay their salary. I don't pay the salaries of violent illegals. Studies show (https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/criminalization-immigration-united-states) that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than US citizens. "This holds true for both legal immigrants and the unauthorized, regardless of their country of origin or level of education. In other words, the overwhelming majority of immigrants are not “criminals” by any commonly accepted definition of the term. Whole new classes of “felonies” have been created which apply only to immigrants, deportation has become a punishment for even minor offenses, and policies aimed at trying to end unauthorized immigration have been made more punitive rather than more rational and practical. In short, immigrants themselves are being criminalized."

[BSWPaulsen]

Yes, I can read. Please spare me the "you deserve x" garbage.

I think your analogy makes no sense. I feel I have the right to oppose police violence in great part because I pay their salary. I don't pay the salaries of violent illegals.

You do not need to pay the salaries of violent illegal immigrants in order to recognize them as the problem they are.

My analogy is simple: If someone can use the "They didn't violate my rights" response when it comes to illegal immigrants, then someone else can damn well turn around and use it in favor of police. It's the sort of irresponsible laziness that allowed police corruption and brutality to become what it is today, but yet you think that it is okay to do it when it comes to illegal immigrants.

Whether you pay their salary doesn't matter in the slightest. There are cops and illegal immigrants that deprive people of their rights. This is an inescapable fact. You should be consistent in your criticism of groups when they deserve it. You are not. You have gone out of your way to place immigrants in a good light in a thread emphasizing that some of them are, in fact, a problem.



Studies show (https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/criminalization-immigration-united-states) that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than US citizens. "This holds true for both legal immigrants and the unauthorized, regardless of their country of origin or level of education. In other words, the overwhelming majority of immigrants are not “criminals” by any commonly accepted definition of the term. Whole new classes of “felonies” have been created which apply only to immigrants, deportation has become a punishment for even minor offenses, and policies aimed at trying to end unauthorized immigration have been made more punitive rather than more rational and practical. In short, immigrants themselves are being criminalized."

Less likely to commit a crime does not mean crimes are not committed.

There are criminal illegal immigrants. This is a fact. That they are proportionally fewer than Americans is not an argument to be used in favor of uncontrolled immigration, it is actually an extremely effective argument in favor of strictly controlling immigration so as to limit the amount of criminals allowed in.

[mrsat_98]

This is a site violation. Quoted for posterity. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. :cool:

Can we get some more + rep over here ?

[RJ Liberty]

You do not need to pay the salaries of violent illegal immigrants in order to recognize them as the problem they are.

In fact, immigrants are less likely to commit violent crimes than native-born American citizens. That makes them less of a "problem" than US citizens. You fail to understand that. What if someone were to take your proposals seriously and the government, instead of focusing on lawbreakers, redirected its efforts to eradicating violence coming from illegal immigrants? The net result would be less focus on control of the criminal element among US citizens. And since studies show the proportions of violent crime are higher among US citizens than illegals, your argument would in fact cause more violent Americans to escape justice.



My analogy is simple: If someone can use the "They didn't violate my rights" response when it comes to illegal immigrants, then someone else can damn well turn around and use it in favor of police.

Your analogy is confused because one group is supposed to serve the public, and is thus beholden to public opinion, while the other group has nothing to do with serving the public. You're comparing apples and oranges, but you refuse to see it.



Less likely to commit a crime does not mean crimes are not committed.
No, it means the proportion is lower. And advocating for going after a group with low levels of violence because a small proportion of them are "violent criminals" is senseless. It's the type of scapegoating which has happened far too often in history. It's lazy, and irresponsible.

[presence]

And since studies show the proportions of violent crime are higher among US citizens than illegals, your argument would in fact cause more violent Americans to escape justice.


bingo

most "felonious" illegalized resident immigrants in federal prison are there for immigration violations and statutory drug violations

per capita, violent offenders are more likely to be US born than foreign born



undocumented immigrants had crime rates somewhat higher than those here legally, but much lower than those of citizens

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men ages 18 to 49, immigrants were one-half to one-fifth as likely to be incarcerated as those born in the United States.

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one-third of noncitizen federal inmates are serving time for immigration offenses



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/trump-illegal-immigrants-crime.html?_r=0

[Schifference]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfpUtTz9EeI

[euphemia]

It just goes to show how few people really understand immigrations. For me, it's not abstract. It represents real people. For example, illegal immigration has ruined the day labor market. Used to be a contractor who needed to replace a drywaller could go to one of the places where daylaborers gather and get a couple of guys to help finish his job. Nowdays the illegals have undercut the market so the regular day laborers have no work. It's easier to hire a guy and three of his friends for cheap to take them to a work site than to have to go to two or three sites to find some guys to come work.

Then there are housing issues. That's a whole different post.

Then there are personal violations that are never reported. Whole different post.

Failure of government to enforce law creates a whole mess of injustice. It's not a matter of freedom to travel and my rights. Illegal immigration is unjust and it will never be made just just because you think *your* rights are not being violated.

[BSWPaulsen]

In fact, immigrants are less likely to commit violent crimes than native-born American citizens. That makes them less of a "problem" than US citizens. You fail to understand that. What if someone were to take your proposals seriously and the government, instead of focusing on lawbreakers, redirected its efforts to eradicating violence coming from illegal immigrants? The net result would be less focus on control of the criminal element among US citizens. And since studies show the proportions of violent crime are higher among US citizens than illegals, your argument would in fact cause more violent Americans to escape justice.

Your willingness to excuse violent illegal immigrants because they are proportionally less than violent Americans is disgusting. No different at all from people that simply pass off bad cops as just a few bad apples. It is a morally bankrupt position, but what I should expect of someone that thinks they cannot criticize violent illegal immigrants because they do not pay their salaries? This type of insanity is to be expected from an ideologue.

Spare me the false dilemma fallacy. You do not cause violent Americans to go unpunished by pursuing violent illegal immigrants. That you think so is frankly absurd, and shows that not only do you not care at all by the people who suffer at the hands of illegal immigrant criminals, but that you will make excuses for them. Again, this thread is about the difficulty of pursuing illegal immigrants that are actual criminals. This isn't about harassing janitors, as you so disingenuously made it out to be.



Your analogy is confused because one group is supposed to serve the public, and is thus beholden to public opinion, while the other group has nothing to do with serving the public. You're comparing apples and oranges, but you refuse to see it.

The point is there are two groups of people, and within these two groups of people there is a subset that violate the rights of others. When this issue is pointed out people like you, instead of being intellectually consistent in criticizing both, will criticize one group and provide an excuse for the other group just as easily used for the group criticized.

That makes you a hypocrite, and it is unbecoming anyone that proclaims liberty.



No, it means the proportion is lower. And advocating for going after a group with low levels of violence because a small proportion of them are "violent criminals" is senseless. It's the type of scapegoating which has happened far too often in history. It's lazy, and irresponsible.

Lower proportion does not mean non-existent. You can tap dance around it all you like. The proportion that does exist violate other people's rights and you do not consider it a problem.

You are no different at all from people that pass off police corruption and brutality as only a few bad apples, thinking it not a problem.

[Zippyjuan]

Definitely a correlation between illegal immigration and crime.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1742299/original.jpg

[Contumacious]

maybe you should come visit my 84 year old grandma who has lived in her house for over 50 years, and her neighborhood has been peaceful and quiet until illegal aliens moved into her neighborhood and F_ED UP every single house.DO YOU NEED PICTURES to see? I can bring pictures next time.Want to see all the wild packs of dogs that run around by the 10-20s? Want to see the back alley that the city dump trucks no longer drive down because of the heaps of GARBAGE? Maybe I should show you how the entire neighborhood LOOKS LIKE COMPLETE UTTER warzone $#@!....yet they all have brand new vehicles down her block because they work for the cartel. She speaks english fluently,and spanish fluently,word is out that the mexican cartels been there for years.......I know my city, I know my grandmas neighborhood.....these $#@!s did not come here 40 years ago....they moved in quietly in the past 10 years.So try your bull$#@! elsewhere.

In that case I have some really bad news for you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_SPxjkqiZU

Bwahahahahahahaha

That's funny as s h i t !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Contumacious]

Definitely a correlation between illegal immigration and crime.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1742299/original.jpg

Yo Zippy, if you let Juan work in peace, then no crimes.


Look Vern, in 1889 the feds USURPED the authority to interdict and deport because the chinese wanted to work in the gold mines and in the racists mo'fo's view that constituted "an emergency" - a RACIST SCOTUS concurred.

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[LibertyEagle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6NYP9qmjfU

[Contumacious]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6NYP9qmjfU

The Truth About "illegal" immigrants?


Thats BULL S H I T

Undocumented aliens are human beings - not all human beings are alike

Now you can try a video entitled the Truth about Samsung 7 Phones.

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[CaptainAmerica]

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It's pretty easy to blame things on "the other": someone different than you. That's how dictators have come to power.

But the hillbilly redneck town in Arizona where I lived in for many years had wild packs of roaming dogs throughout the 1990s and early 2000s, trashy vehicles, rampant alcoholism and meth use, and heaps of garbage in most backyards, despite the fact that the town is 87% white. Blaming illegals for all the problems doesn't cut it, any more than blaming "the blacks".

Okay.....continue to make excuses for the shit happening.

[Tywysog Cymru]

I don't understand the sudden emergence of immigration as a top issue. Immigration has been decreasing in recent years IIRC.

[RJ Liberty]

I grew up near the largest illegal alien encampment in California history. I could easily have walked there from my house. I've lived in many hispanic neighborhoods as an adult. I've never had a problem with any of them individually......

However....

Illegal immigrants are more likely to use government services and welfare, and their kids and their grandchildren are more likely to use government services and welfare and also they are more likely to vote Democrat and vote for more redistribution of wealth.

This DOES affect my individual rights, it affects all of us, man, our basic freedoms - I have no problem with the ones who come here to work - but the way we have it setup is a big government program. The government helps bring them in, they help keep them here and they give them a bunch of free stuff, so they can get more Democrat votes.

See, this a reasonable and well-argued position regarding illegal aliens. I don't necessarily agree that the negatives outweigh the positives, but at least you have facts to back you up (http://cis.org/Cost-Welfare-Immigrant-Native-Households), and you aren't referring to the tired "OMG! Illegals cause crime waves! They're rapists and killers!" argument, which has been refuted by study after study.

Trump's "alternate facts" get in the way of reasonable arguments.

[RJ Liberty]

Definitely a correlation between illegal immigration and crime.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1742299/original.jpg


That's hilarious!

[dannno]

The Truth About "illegal" immigrants?


Thats BULL S H I T

Undocumented aliens are human beings - not all human beings are alike

Now you can try a video entitled the Truth about Samsung 7 Phones.

.

The video didn't say they were all alike, the video makes statistical comparisons using actual data..

And what is this with all Samsung 7 phones? What if one of them blows up in somebody's pocket? Does that mean they all blow up?

[AZJoe]

Interesting 2017 DHS report (https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Alien_Incarceration_Report_OIS_FY17_Q4_2.pdf) on immigration status of federal prison inmates. This report only pertains to federal prisons population, not the much larger state prisons. It also does not distinguish between the types of crimes convicted, merely including all felon inmates.

The report has some interesting results for both legal and illegal immigrants.

The report finds that the federal prison population of legal immigrants is only 1.2%. This ratio indicates legal immigrants populate federal prisons at a rate less than one half the rate of the US population as a whole.

Simultaneously, the report finds that 19% of the federal prison population are confirmed illegal immigrants, and including suspected illegal immigrants the report total is 31%. These number do not include simply immigration detainees that are held in detention facilities not federal prisons. This is strictly convicted felons. This ratio reveals illegal immigrants populate the federal prisons at more than 6 (to 10) times the rate of the US population as a whole.

The raw numbers suggest that as to federal felony crimes, legal immigrants are more than twice as law abiding as the general US population, while illegal immigrants are more than 6 (to 10) times as law-breaking as the general population.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

I have a right to life, liberty , property and to pursue happiness. I am 70 years old. An "illegal" immigrant has NEVER interfered with those rights. But the government and their GUN FREE ZONES have.


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Tell that to ever vote cast by an illegal, every dime you have had to pay for them and their brats, every voted they have cast for every marxist, gun grabbing moron they support who offers them more "free" stuff you pay for at gun point.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Interesting 2017 DHS report (https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Alien_Incarceration_Report_OIS_FY17_Q4_2.pdf) on immigration status of federal prison inmates. This report only pertains to federal prisons population, not the much larger state prisons. It also does not distinguish between the types of crimes convicted, merely including all felon inmates.

The report has some interesting results for both legal and illegal immigrants.

The report finds that the federal prison population of legal immigrants is only 1.2%. This ratio indicates legal immigrants populate federal prisons at a rate less than one half the rate of the US population as a whole.

Simultaneously, the report finds that 19% of the federal prison population are confirmed illegal immigrants, and including suspected illegal immigrants the report total is 31%. These number do not include simply immigration detainees that are held in detention facilities not federal prisons. This is strictly convicted felons. This ratio reveals illegal immigrants populate the federal prisons at more than 6 (to 10) times the rate of the US population as a whole.

The raw numbers suggest that as to federal felony crimes, legal immigrants are more than twice as law abiding as the general US population, while illegal immigrants are more than 6 (to 10) times as law-breaking as the general population.


Wow, who would have thought that people who very presence here is a crime would break more laws?

[Zippyjuan]

Interesting 2017 DHS report (https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Alien_Incarceration_Report_OIS_FY17_Q4_2.pdf) on immigration status of federal prison inmates. This report only pertains to federal prisons population, not the much larger state prisons. It also does not distinguish between the types of crimes convicted, merely including all felon inmates.

The report has some interesting results for both legal and illegal immigrants.

The report finds that the federal prison population of legal immigrants is only 1.2%. This ratio indicates legal immigrants populate federal prisons at a rate less than one half the rate of the US population as a whole.

Simultaneously, the report finds that 19% of the federal prison population are confirmed illegal immigrants, and including suspected illegal immigrants the report total is 31%. These number do not include simply immigration detainees that are held in detention facilities not federal prisons. This is strictly convicted felons. This ratio reveals illegal immigrants populate the federal prisons at more than 6 (to 10) times the rate of the US population as a whole.

The raw numbers suggest that as to federal felony crimes, legal immigrants are more than twice as law abiding as the general US population, while illegal immigrants are more than 6 (to 10) times as law-breaking as the general population.

Bureau of Prisons don't indicate the legal status (in the US legally or illegally) of their prison population but they do note their citizenship and in that they show that 79.5% of their inmates were US citizens. That means it is impossible that "up to 31%" of such inmates are in the country illegally. If every foreign born person in their system is in the country illegally that would leave a maximum of 20.5%

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_citizenship.jsp

[euphemia]

Zip, when you consider the interesting hopscotch enforcement of law regarding illegals, then you don't really know, do you? A lot of crime does not rise to the level of federal prison, so your so-called charts and statistics mean zip. zero. nada.

[spudea]

Bureau of Prisons don't indicate the legal status (in the US legally or illegally) of their prison population but they do note their citizenship and in that they show that 79.5% of their inmates were US citizens. That means it is impossible that "up to 31%" of such inmates are in the country illegally. If every foreign born person in their system is in the country illegally that would leave a maximum of 20.5%

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_citizenship.jsp

You are comparing different numbers. The DHS report includes more people in custody than just the BOP numbers to reach the 31% figure.

Edit: Actually I guess AZJoe's copy paste source is mistaken. But they do appear to be indicating the report total, but then immediately contradict themselves by saying its only convicted felons in the BOP.

[AZJoe]

Bureau of Prisons don't indicate the legal status (in the US legally or illegally) of their prison population but they do note their citizenship and in that they show that 79.5% of their inmates were US citizens. That means it is impossible that "up to 31%" of such inmates are in the country illegally. If every foreign born person in their system is in the country illegally that would leave a maximum of 20.5%

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_citizenship.jsp

Once again, the the Zippy fails to even bother reading. Contained directly in the initial 2017 DHS report, the report explains how the determinations are made:


Pursuant to EO 13768, USMS and BOP facilities have begun providing to ICE on a quarterly basis comprehensive biographic data on inmates and detainees who are identified as foreign born. In turn, ICE checks USMS and BOP foreign-born detainee data against its ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) case management system, the ENFORCE Alien Removal Module (EARM), and the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services’ Central Index System to identify aliens with immigration records and pending or completed removal proceedings. This approach allows ICE to place each foreign-born person within one of the following five categories for each quarterly report ...

A total of 58,766 known or suspected aliens were in in DOJ custody at the end of FY 2017, including 39,455 persons in BOP custody and 19,311 in USMS custody. Of this total, 37,557 people had been confirmed by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement(ICE) to be aliens ... while 21,209 foreign-born people were still under investigation by ICE to determine alienage. Among the 37,557 confirmed aliens, 35,334 people (94 percent) were unlawfully present. These numbers include a 92 percent unlawful rate among 24,476 confirmed aliens in BOP custody and a 97 percent unlawful rate among 13,081 confirmed aliens in USMS custody.

More Explained in the 2017 DHS Report (https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Alien_Incarceration_Report_OIS_FY17_Q4_2.pdf)

[AZJoe]

You are comparing different numbers. The DHS report includes more people in custody than just the BOP numbers to reach the 31% figure.

Edit: Actually I guess AZJoe's copy paste source is mistaken. But they do appear to be indicating the report total, but then immediately contradict themselves by saying its only convicted felons in the BOP.

Yes, a clarification is in order. The report includes both BOP and USMS numbers, but does break out the two. All of the BOP are convicted. The USMS numbers includes post conviction awaiting sentencing, post conviction awaiting placement, convicted inmates pending transfers, as well as pre-trial detainees not yet convicted or acquitted.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Once again, the the Zippy fails to even bother reading. Contained directly in the initial 2017 DHS report, the report explains how the determinations are made:

Pursuant to EO 13768, USMS and BOP facilities have begun providing to ICE on a quarterly basis comprehensive biographic data on inmates and detainees who are identified as foreign born. In turn, ICE checks USMS and BOP foreign-born detainee data against its ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) case management system, the ENFORCE Alien Removal Module (EARM), and the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services’ Central Index System to identify aliens with immigration records and pending or completed removal proceedings. This approach allows ICE to place each foreign-born person within one of the following five categories for each quarterly report ...

A total of 58,766 known or suspected aliens were in in DOJ custody at the end of FY 2017, including 39,455 persons in BOP custody and 19,311 in USMS custody. Of this total, 37,557 people had been confirmed by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement(ICE) to be aliens ... while 21,209 foreign-born people were still under investigation by ICE to determine alienage. Among the 37,557 confirmed aliens, 35,334 people (94 percent) were unlawfully present. These numbers include a 92 percent unlawful rate among 24,476 confirmed aliens in BOP custody and a 97 percent unlawful rate among 13,081 confirmed aliens in USMS custody.

More Explained in the 2017 DHS Report (https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Alien_Incarceration_Report_OIS_FY17_Q4_2.pdf)



Just remember, people like him know what they are doing, they just dont care about the fall out because "MUH FEELS".

[timosman]

Just remember, people like him know what they are doing, they just dont care about the fall out because "MUH FEELS".

The Chinese have a nice term for it - baizuo - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?510996-Baizuo-The-curious-rise-of-the-%91white-left%92-as-a-Chinese-internet-insult

[RestorationOfLiberty]

The Chinese have a nice term for it - baizuo - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?510996-Baizuo-The-curious-rise-of-the-%91white-left%92-as-a-Chinese-internet-insult

Fitting term, people who are more concerned with virtue signaling then survival.