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RandallFan
01-29-2017, 03:39 AM
Who pays for the healthcare and to move the corpse?


https://apnews.com/a59ff945c2c449c69e8f7de96932eb65

Her mother-in-law's sister, a 67-year-old Yemeni citizen coming to live with family in the U.S. because she is sick from heart problems and diabetes, was detained after getting off a plane from Saudi Arabia.

"We're very sad. She lives a very bad life. We try in her last days to (give her) a good life," Ghaled said, adding that the family had been told that she would be refused entry and put on a jet back to Saudi Arabia. "We've waited for this many years, (for) her to come. They should just let us see her. Seeing her would make you feel a little better."

KrokHead
01-29-2017, 06:51 AM
Immigrants contribute to the US and pay taxes, however there is inevitable abuse of the social safety net.

The problem is with welfare, not immigration.

tod evans
01-29-2017, 06:59 AM
Immigrants contribute to the US and pay taxes, however there is inevitable abuse of the social safety net.

The problem is with welfare, not immigration.

Both are handled by government so it stands to reason that there's problems with both....

Not just one or the other.

timosman
01-29-2017, 07:21 AM
Both are handled by government so it stands to reason that there's problems with both....

Not just one or the other.

Why is there always somebody who makes the same easily debunked argument? How many sock puppets are there?:confused:

TheCount
01-29-2017, 07:51 AM
Immigrants contribute to the US and pay taxes, however there is inevitable abuse of the social safety net.

The problem is with welfare, not immigration.Welfare has nothing to do with this story.

tod evans
01-29-2017, 07:55 AM
Welfare has nothing to do with this story.

Neither of you know whether or not this old broad will use public monies for her healthcare.

timosman
01-29-2017, 07:59 AM
Neither of you know whether or not this old broad will use public monies for her healthcare.

Hmmmmm, let me think. She might use an IRA/401k from her home country to pay for our overpriced healthcare providing she has enough funds there. The likelihood of such a scenario is not very high, I'd give it 0.000001%

ChristianAnarchist
01-29-2017, 08:02 AM
Both are handled by government so it stands to reason that there's problems with both....

Not just one or the other.

Neither immigration nor welfare were handled by the goonerment 200 years ago and neither is "authorized" by the constitution (of no effect)...

TheCount
01-29-2017, 08:04 AM
Neither of you know whether or not this old broad will use public monies for her healthcare.She has family, and immigrants are not eligible for use of public money for healthcare.

The closest she could come would be going to the emergency room and then not paying, which - again - has nothing to do with welfare.

tod evans
01-29-2017, 08:04 AM
Neither immigration nor welfare were handled by the goonerment 200 years ago and neither is "authorized" by the constitution (of no effect)...

200 years ago "He needed shot your honor." was a legitimate defense...;)

Count me in for the time travel brigade.

tod evans
01-29-2017, 08:06 AM
She has family, and immigrants are not eligible for use of public money for healthcare.

The closest she could come would be going to the emergency room and then not paying, which - again - has nothing to do with welfare.

Whatever term you choose to use to describe publically funded healthcare doesn't change who's paying for it.

timosman
01-29-2017, 08:09 AM
She has family, and immigrants are not eligible for use of public money for healthcare.

The closest she could come would be going to the emergency room and then not paying, which - again - has nothing to do with welfare.

Aye, aye, Sir! :rolleyes:

timosman
01-29-2017, 08:10 AM
Whatever term you choose to use to describe publically funded healthcare doesn't change who's paying for it.

I am dense on purpose. :cool:

timosman
01-29-2017, 08:11 AM
Whatever term you choose to use to describe publically funded healthcare doesn't change who's paying for it.

If I had a pussy you'd be convinced already.:cool:

TheCount
01-29-2017, 08:16 AM
Whatever term you choose to use to describe publically funded healthcare doesn't change who's paying for it.Unpaid emergency room visits are not paid for by the public.

timosman
01-29-2017, 08:20 AM
Unpaid emergency room visits are not paid for by the public.

Absolutely not. There is a special secret fund which takes care of it. :rolleyes:

tod evans
01-29-2017, 08:21 AM
Unpaid emergency room visits are not paid for by the public.

Reference $25.00 aspirins and $100.00 boxes of Kleenex...

Of course they are paid by the public!

Maybe you're referring to the funds being directly disbursed by government...

TheCount
01-29-2017, 08:46 AM
Reference $25.00 aspirins and $100.00 boxes of Kleenex...

Of course they are paid by the public!

Maybe you're referring to the funds being directly disbursed by government...Paid by other customers at the same hospital is not the same as paid by the public.

timosman
01-29-2017, 08:55 AM
Paid by other customers at the same hospital is not the same as paid by the public.

In either case, as Carlin would put it, somebody is getting fuсked. :cool:

Suzanimal
01-29-2017, 11:06 AM
Unpaid emergency room visits are not paid for by the public.

Can I chose a hospital that doesn't participate in this program?

Anti Federalist
01-29-2017, 11:09 AM
Can I chose a hospital that doesn't participate in this program?

No, you cannot.

Therefore you are the public.

Suzanimal
01-29-2017, 11:11 AM
No, you cannot.

Therefore you are the public.

Exactly.

timosman
01-29-2017, 11:13 AM
Exactly.

Nicely done! :cool:

Madison320
01-29-2017, 11:45 AM
She has family, and immigrants are not eligible for use of public money for healthcare.

The closest she could come would be going to the emergency room and then not paying, which - again - has nothing to do with welfare.

My wife is from Colombia. Her mom is not a US citizen and came here recently (legally). She get's all her healthcare paid for by SS or Medicare.

timosman
01-29-2017, 11:48 AM
My wife is from Colombia. Her mom is not a US citizen and came here recently (legally). She get's all her healthcare paid for by SS or Medicare.

How exactly does it work? :confused:

Brian4Liberty
01-29-2017, 12:39 PM
My wife is from Colombia. Her mom is not a US citizen and came here recently (legally). She get's all her healthcare paid for by SS or Medicare.

Years ago, a friend had a roommate from Egypt. Her parents visited from Egypt, signed up for some kind of SS monthly payment which continued after they went home. The daughter would keep some, send some back to her parents in Egypt. She said it was a common practice. Guess the US government had the belief that they had moved here. Possibly refugee status?

But hey, immigrants (legal or otherwise), never get benefits. And they never vote either. :rolleyes:

specsaregood
01-29-2017, 12:56 PM
No, you cannot.

Therefore you are the public.

People with no job and no means of support on lots of public assistance regularly take a 30+ minute bus ride from the ghetto, passing 4 other closer hospitals so that they can go the ER at the fancy new hospital that DW works at. When asked why, they will say its because of the private rooms, the room service, nice accommodations, etc. they regularly bring their entire family along to stay in the room with them.

Ender
01-29-2017, 01:01 PM
So, if it was your sick relative that needed family in their final years, you'd be against them coming?

And then there's the Syrian Christians who just got stopped in Philly airport and sent back; worked 15 years to get here legally to be with family..

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/us/syrian-family-trump-travel-ban/

Everyone here is an immigrant so get over it.

Brian4Liberty
01-29-2017, 01:06 PM
People with no job and no means of support on lots of public assistance regularly take a 30+ minute bus ride from the ghetto, passing 4 other closer hospitals so that they can go the ER at the fancy new hospital that DW works at. When asked why, they will say its because of the private rooms, the room service, nice accommodations, etc. they regularly bring their entire family along to stay in the room with them.

Ah, the family parties in the patient's room. That probably works better in private rooms. In shared rooms, the other patients aren't particularly happy when 10 people with food and drinks spend the night in the room laughing and arguing.

Hospitals and "rehab" places are the last place you want to be to get rest.

Madison320
01-29-2017, 01:17 PM
How exactly does it work? :confused:

Don't know. But as far as I know it's common and legal.

Suzanimal
01-29-2017, 01:26 PM
So, if it was your sick relative that needed family in their final years, you'd be against them coming?

And then there's the Syrian Christians who just got stopped in Philly airport and sent back; worked 15 years to get here legally to be with family..

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/us/syrian-family-trump-travel-ban/

Everyone here is an immigrant so get over it.

Nope. I'm not against her coming, either. I just don't want to be forced to pay for her medical care.

timosman
01-29-2017, 01:47 PM
Don't know. But as far as I know it's common and legal.

Common. Legal. Nobody knows how it works. I call BS on at least one out of three. :cool:

P3ter_Griffin
01-29-2017, 02:53 PM
The law requiring emergency facilities to treat individuals with life ending illness or injuries applies equally to new born babies born in the US to US citizens. If that law gives reason for the government to control immigration it follows that that law gives reason for the government to control reproduction.

timosman
01-29-2017, 02:57 PM
The law requiring emergency facilities to treat individuals with life ending illness or injuries applies equally to new born babies born in the US to US citizens. If that law gives reason for the government to control immigration it follows that that law gives reason for the government to control reproduction.

What are you trying to say? :cool:

Ender
01-29-2017, 02:57 PM
Nope. I'm not against her coming, either. I just don't want to be forced to pay for her medical care.

Exactly.

The answer is too get rid of entitlements- not add more stinkin' laws and regulations.

timosman
01-29-2017, 03:00 PM
Exactly.

The answer is too get rid of entitlements- not add more stinkin' laws and regulations.

You were not even able to make a dent on this front. The entitlements are growing. Do you have a plan B?

Zippyjuan
01-29-2017, 03:00 PM
The law requiring emergency facilities to treat individuals with life ending illness or injuries applies equally to new born babies born in the US to US citizens. If that law gives reason for the government to control immigration it follows that that law gives reason for the government to control reproduction.

Ban babies! They get free treatment at hospitals!

Ender
01-29-2017, 03:02 PM
You were not even able to make a dent on this front. The entitlements are growing. Do you have a plan B?

I already live it- I am a Minister Under a Vow of Poverty.

nikcers
01-29-2017, 03:05 PM
You were not even able to make a dent on this front. The entitlements are growing. Do you have a plan B?

Ron Paul says the fed will end itself, as long as we get out of wars in the middle east..

P3ter_Griffin
01-29-2017, 03:05 PM
What are you trying to say? :cool:

That Trump should consider putting birth control in Chicago's tap water.

nikcers
01-29-2017, 03:06 PM
That Trump should consider putting birth control in Chicago's tap water.

Whats that going to do to fix interest rates which is causing massive inflation in things like healthcare?

spudea
01-29-2017, 03:15 PM
many rules and laws cause unfortunate harm. I don't think you can weight this one sob story over the countless others.

timosman
01-29-2017, 03:16 PM
many rules and laws cause unfortunate harm. I don't think you can weight this one sob story over the countless others.

but this is exactly what the sob stories are used for :cool:

P3ter_Griffin
01-29-2017, 03:29 PM
Whats that going to do to fix interest rates which is causing massive inflation in things like healthcare?

I was of course being a little snarky, I don't think Trump should do that. I can't recite any statistics but I've read numerous times of the cost imposed to heathcare facilities for unpaid bills, presumably some from cases where the facility was required by law to treat the patient. Point I'm trying to make is that we should be ditching the socialism instead of trying to make the socialist system work, such as controlling immigration or reproduction.

Zippyjuan
01-29-2017, 03:33 PM
I was of course being a little snarky, I don't think Trump should do that. I can't recite any statistics but I've read numerous times of the cost imposed to heathcare facilities for unpaid bills, presumably some from cases where the facility was required by law to treat the patient. Point I'm trying to make is that we should be ditching the socialism instead of trying to make the socialist system work, such as controlling immigration or reproduction.

Should hospitals kick out sick or dying people because of their cost to the hospital?


How should the uninsured problem be taken care of? Some would consider that immoral and "un-Christian". "The richest country in the world can't even take care of their sick?"

timosman
01-29-2017, 03:38 PM
Should hospitals kick out sick or dying people because of their cost to the hospital?


How should the uninsured problem be taken care of? Some would consider that immoral and "un-Christian". "The richest country in the world can't even take care of their sick?"

Their sick? Why don't we start sending bills back to the country where the patient came from.:confused:

tod evans
01-29-2017, 03:56 PM
Should hospitals kick out sick or dying people because of their cost to the hospital?


How should the uninsured problem be taken care of? Some would consider that immoral and "un-Christian". "The richest country in the world can't even take care of their sick?"

Pauper hospitals are the only logical solution..

But then society has to deal with the 'equal rights' bullshit.......

P3ter_Griffin
01-29-2017, 04:00 PM
Should hospitals kick out sick or dying people because of their cost to the hospital?


How should the uninsured problem be taken care of? Some would consider that immoral and "un-Christian". "The richest country in the world can't even take care of their sick?"

Property owners should be free to do what they wish with their property. I think getting rid of the licensing requirements could go a long way in giving people access to healthcare. Speculation: if government had never attempted to fill the role of charaties/non-profits there would be a much better- more sustainable, more antifragile- system of the poor receiving healthcare, and the absence of such a law wouldn't phase you.

nikcers
01-29-2017, 04:33 PM
I was of course being a little snarky, I don't think Trump should do that. I can't recite any statistics but I've read numerous times of the cost imposed to heathcare facilities for unpaid bills, presumably some from cases where the facility was required by law to treat the patient. Point I'm trying to make is that we should be ditching the socialism instead of trying to make the socialist system work, such as controlling immigration or reproduction.
Yeah I wasn't trying to be snarky either, I just see lots of team red people on here blaming things the Fed causes on regulation and Obama and everything but our interest rates and foreign policy. Healthcare is one of the things that usually eats the brunt of the inflation until debt started to liquidate, that's why we will have insurance companies closing soon which would automatically cause health care to get cheaper. The team red people want to stop the insurance companies from failing though because as soon as one bubble bursts the next one is short to follow.

Money goes where it is welcome, and it is still not very welcome here in a Trump administration. Trump is going to destroy the dollar because the globalist know they have a rare opportunity to force the Russians into ousting Putin if their economy tanks enough. I am not defending that policy but it has everything to do with healthcare costs, and if we weren't doing all of that then we wouldn't even be arguing about pennies it costs to give people healthcare.

Madison320
01-29-2017, 06:55 PM
Common. Legal. Nobody knows how it works. I call BS on at least one out of three. :cool:

I'll raise ya.

My guess is that it also works for parents not just the spouse:

http://www.visitorscoverage.com/green-card-insurance/medicare-for-green-card/

"What are the eligibility criteria for Medicare? Can a green card holder apply for Medicare?

A US citizen or legal permanent resident aged 65 years or older usually qualify for Medicare. One of the eligibility criteria is that the person or spouse must have worked in the US and paid Medicare taxes for minimum 40 quarters.
If you are a recent green card holder or new immigrant to the US, aged 65 years or older, and never worked in the US, you may not immediately qualify for Medicare
If you don't qualify for free Medicare, you can still purchase it, if the following holds true in your casee:
You're 65 years or older.
You have recently become a US citizen by naturalization and haven't worked enough quarters to have social security coverage.
You are a lawfully admitted alien (green card holder) and have constantly lived in the United States for 5 years or longer and don't qualify for the Social Security benefits"

Zippyjuan
01-29-2017, 07:11 PM
I'll raise ya.

My guess is that it also works for parents not just the spouse:

http://www.visitorscoverage.com/green-card-insurance/medicare-for-green-card/

"What are the eligibility criteria for Medicare? Can a green card holder apply for Medicare?

A US citizen or legal permanent resident aged 65 years or older usually qualify for Medicare. One of the eligibility criteria is that the person or spouse must have worked in the US and paid Medicare taxes for minimum 40 quarters.
If you are a recent green card holder or new immigrant to the US, aged 65 years or older, and never worked in the US, you may not immediately qualify for Medicare
If you don't qualify for free Medicare, you can still purchase it, if the following holds true in your casee:
You're 65 years or older.
You have recently become a US citizen by naturalization and haven't worked enough quarters to have social security coverage.
You are a lawfully admitted alien (green card holder) and have constantly lived in the United States for 5 years or longer and don't qualify for the Social Security benefits"

1) You or spouse must be a legal resident or citizen
2) must be 65 or older
3) must have been a taxpayer for eight years prior


If you are a recent green card holder or new immigrant to the US, aged 65 years or older, and never worked in the US, you may not immediately qualify for Medicare

4) You can pay for it (the insurance) yourself if you have worked five years prior and are here legally at least that long

Woman in the OP would not be eligible.

P3ter_Griffin
01-29-2017, 10:33 PM
Yeah I wasn't trying to be snarky either, I just see lots of team red people on here blaming things the Fed causes on regulation and Obama and everything but our interest rates and foreign policy. Healthcare is one of the things that usually eats the brunt of the inflation until debt started to liquidate, that's why we will have insurance companies closing soon which would automatically cause health care to get cheaper. The team red people want to stop the insurance companies from failing though because as soon as one bubble bursts the next one is short to follow.

Money goes where it is welcome, and it is still not very welcome here in a Trump administration. Trump is going to destroy the dollar because the globalist know they have a rare opportunity to force the Russians into ousting Putin if their economy tanks enough. I am not defending that policy but it has everything to do with healthcare costs, and if we weren't doing all of that then we wouldn't even be arguing about pennies it costs to give people healthcare.

I don't know for certain but I'd think the larger harm (price increases) is done by poor government healthcare policies, regulations, and taxes from all levels of government over the harm done by inflation. Both hospitals in my area rank in the top 10 highest property tax payers locally (http://lacrossetribune.com/news/local/by-the-numbers-top-property-taxpayers-in-la-crosse-county/collection_8579d5c7-61bb-5ab1-a652-f29c99d4cac9.html#1). The fed helps facilitate the shit show so they definitely deserve some blame.

Ender
01-29-2017, 10:38 PM
I don't know for certain but I'd think the larger harm (price increases) is done by poor government healthcare policies, regulations, and taxes from all levels of government over the harm done by inflation. Both hospitals in my area rank in the top 10 highest property tax payers locally (http://lacrossetribune.com/news/local/by-the-numbers-top-property-taxpayers-in-la-crosse-county/collection_8579d5c7-61bb-5ab1-a652-f29c99d4cac9.html#1). The fed helps facilitate the $#@! show so they definitely deserve some blame.

Yep- .gov should not be in the medical business.

oyarde
01-29-2017, 10:40 PM
Their sick? Why don't we start sending bills back to the country where the patient came from.:confused:

I really see nothing unreasonable about that .