Gov. LePage signs marijuana moratorium bill into law

[CaseyJones]

http://www.wcsh6.com/news/local/gov-lepage-signs-marijuana-moratorium-bill-into-law/394019707


Governor LePage signed the marijuana moratorium bill into law on Friday afternoon, one day after the bill passed the legislature and three days before recreational pot becomes legal in Maine.

The moratorium law allows personal use of the drug starting Monday, but buys the Governor and Legislature a year to fine tune marijuana policy, before retail sales will be allowed to begin all over the state.

It was not certain if the governor would approve the legislation, since two provisions he wanted were shot down in a House vote Thursday.

Governor LePage asked for $1.6 million in funding, so the state could hire staff and pay other costs to begin creating new rules needed to implement the law. He also asked that oversight be switched from the Maine Department of Agriculture to the Bureau of Alcoholic Beverages and Lottery Operations.

Democrats had opposed adding the Governor's two items to the emergency moratorium bill, saying those issues could be decided by a special committee that will be formed next week.

So Governor LePage's action on the bill Friday afternoon was two-fold: he signed the moratorium bill, as is, into law. But he also issued an executive order, turning one of his requested changes into law.

“Because I do not trust Speaker Gideon will approve my language in the bill she submitted in her own name, I will issue an Executive Order delegating oversight of marijuana from ACF to BABLO,” said Governor LePage. “However, no rules will be promulgated until the Legislature allocates money to fund the rulemaking process. I sign this bill today to protect Maine children from the dangers of marijuana.”

Maine Speaker of the House Sarah Gideon, a democrat, was heavily criticized in Governor LePage's announcement.

“I deal in policy, and others deal in politics,” said Governor LePage. “I would like to commend House Minority Leader Ken Fredette and Senate Democrat Leader Troy Jackson for their attempts to fix this bill. Unfortunately, Speaker Gideon is playing dirty politics, while Ken and Troy are truly working for the best interests of the Maine people.”

The governor goes on to say that Speaker Gideon convinced her party to reject his amendments, then introduced a new bill in her name, that does the exact same thing.

Democrats in the House say Speaker Gideon submitted her own version of Governor LePage's requests in order to allow time for public hearings.

The new moratorium law, called "An Act To Delay the Implementation of Certain Portions of the Marijuana Legalization Act," puts a hold on many aspects of the legal pot law. Because the language of the legalization act started as a referendum question put before Maine voters, lawmakers said they had some concerns about possible loopholes.

The referendum language did not specifically state that marijuana possession would be illegal for people under 21. It only specified that marijuana possession would become legal for those over 21.There was some question about whether or not this would make it legal for minors to possess pot, but lawmakers decided to expressly forbid it in this new legislation.

The "moratorium" portion of this law puts a hold on dispensaries opening in Maine. Adults will be allowed to have pot starting on Monday, but no commercial growing or retail sites will be allowed to open for another year, to give time to legislators to create needed regulations.

[tod evans]

I sign this bill today to protect Maine children from the dangers of marijuana.”

Fuck off LePage!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg9wHovN5FI

[69360]

$#@! off LePage!

I agree with LePage. I voted yes on the ballot question and am for legalization. But it was flawed it would have made dope legal for kids to possess. The new law fixes that and just delays sales until the state comes up with some sort of rules and regualtions. It's no big deal. Anyone over 21 can legally possess or use it on monday.

[tod evans]

I agree with LePage. I voted yes on the ballot question and am for legalization. But it was flawed it would have made dope legal for kids to possess. The new law fixes that and just delays sales until the state comes up with some sort of rules and regualtions. It's no big deal. Anyone over 21 can legally possess or use it on monday.

Let me get this straight.........

You think weed is 'dangerous' to kids but not adults, is this correct?

My comment was about the quote I posted where he claims to be 'protecting children'...


[edit]

How 'illegal' is weed for people under 21?

Did you vote to make 20 y/o pot smokers felons?

[bunklocoempire]

Legal torture, legal weed. lol

[69360]

Let me get this straight.........

You think weed is 'dangerous' to kids but not adults, is this correct?

My comment was about the quote I posted where he claims to be 'protecting children'...


[edit]

How 'illegal' is weed for people under 21?

Did you vote to make 20 y/o pot smokers felons?

Yes, I think kids shouldn't smoke dope. I don't care what adults do.

A 20 year old wouldn't be a felon in Maine. It was decriminalized a long time ago. possession is a misdemeanor.

[pcosmar]

I agree with LePage. I voted yes on the ballot question and am for legalization. But it was flawed it would have made dope legal for kids to possess. The new law fixes that and just delays sales until the state comes up with some sort of rules and regualtions. It's no big deal. Anyone over 21 can legally possess or use it on monday.

Why do you think it is harmful for kids to possess Cannabis?

Most current users (or very many of) started as "children". In the early 70s,, most of my friends smoked,, and I knew families that smoked. to 4 generations.

It is a non toxic substance safer than school glue and crayons.

Seriously,, It is every bit as beneficial to children as it is to adults.

add
I remember one family,,
The kids would compete (behaved themselves) for the "honor" of passing the joint. The kids did not smoke,, but were not taught that there was anything wrong with it.
Three kids,, and I watched them grow to responsible adults with families of their own.

[tod evans]

Yes, I think kids shouldn't smoke dope. I don't care what adults do.

A 20 year old wouldn't be a felon in Maine. It was decriminalized a long time ago. possession is a misdemeanor.

I didn't ask or comment on whether or not you think kids should smoke dope...

I did ask if you thought as your Governor apparently does, in that weed is dangerous and kids should be 'protected' by legislation?

Thank you though for clarifying that getting busted at 20 is only a misdemeanor..

[69360]

Yes I think it's harmful to kids and should be illegal. Kids shouldn't be using any drugs or alcohol.

I don't care what adults do, not my business.

This is hardly a controversial position. Only the most extreme legalization proponents think kids should be smoking dope.

[tod evans]

I did ask if you thought as your Governor apparently does, in that weed is dangerous and kids should be 'protected' by legislation?



Yes I think it's harmful to kids and should be illegal. Kids shouldn't be using any drugs or alcohol.

I don't care what adults do, not my business.

This is hardly a controversial position. Only the most extreme legalization proponents think kids should be smoking dope.

So "yes" you think kids should be 'protected' by force of law from weed?

[pcosmar]

Yes I think it's harmful to kids and should be illegal. Kids shouldn't be using any drugs or alcohol.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-vzhUT5irY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USi1_3Fdjyw

and this is only one benefit. Just one of many.

The plant is a Gift from God.. Forbidding it is pure evil.

[bunklocoempire]

Decided on a family level vs. decided by government.

[Suzanimal]

Yes I think it's harmful to kids and should be illegal. Kids shouldn't be using any drugs or alcohol.

I don't care what adults do, not my business.

This is hardly a controversial position. Only the most extreme legalization proponents think kids should be smoking dope.

Well, I don't think kids *should* be smoking dope but I also don't think they should be going to jail for smoking it, either.

[tod evans]

Well, I don't think kids *should* be smoking dope but I also don't think they should be going to jail for smoking it, either.

I don't think anyone, kid or adult, should have a criminal record follow them for life over weed, even an entire semi-truck full.

However..............I do think anybody who has participated in prosecuting anybody for weed, kops/DAs/snitches/judges/etc....should be hanged publically....

[69360]

I knew somebody would go there with the medical thing. I have no problem with using it on kids for medical reasons. I don't think kids should use it recreationally.

Kids do NOT go to jail in Maine for possession. It's a misdemeanor. You pay a fine and it's done. If it's a juvenile offense, it won't be on your adult record.

I think all of you as adults should smoke all the dope your heart desires.

[tod evans]

I knew somebody would go there with the medical thing. I have no problem with using it on kids for medical reasons. I don't think kids should use it recreationally.

Kids do NOT go to jail in Maine for possession. It's a misdemeanor. You pay a fine and it's done. If it's a juvenile offense, it won't be on your adult record.

I think all of you as adults should smoke all the dope your heart desires.

Bullshit!

[bunklocoempire]

I knew somebody would go there with the medical thing. I have no problem with using it on kids for medical reasons. I don't think kids should use it recreationally.

Kids do NOT go to jail in Maine for possession. It's a misdemeanor. You pay a fine and it's done. If it's a juvenile offense, it won't be on your adult record.

I think all of you as adults should smoke all the dope your heart desires.

Do you have some examples to share, as to why a family shouldn't be deciding what their kids can or can't do?

I am curious in how opinions are formed.

[tod evans]

I am curious in how opinions are formed.

Propaganda would be my bet...

The DARE program specifically bolstered by the Tee-Vee......

[Suzanimal]

I knew somebody would go there with the medical thing. I have no problem with using it on kids for medical reasons. I don't think kids should use it recreationally.

Kids do NOT go to jail in Maine for possession. It's a misdemeanor. You pay a fine and it's done. If it's a juvenile offense, it won't be on your adult record.

I think all of you as adults should smoke all the dope your heart desires.

That may be BUT when cops show up, we all know how horribly wrong things can go.

[Suzanimal]

Propaganda would be my bet...

The DARE program specifically bolstered by the Tee-Vee......

Fucking DARE...I never got offered drugs as much as they promised.:mad:

[tod evans]

Fucking DARE...I never got offered drugs as much as they promised.:mad:

'Twasn't an issue when I was skooled...

[69360]

Bull$#@!!

Juvy records are sealed. Regardless a juvy record for a misdemeanor is hardly disqualifying for anything.


Do you have some examples to share, as to why a family shouldn't be deciding what their kids can or can't do?

I am curious in how opinions are formed.

I'm not even going to have this argument. Kids should not be using drugs and parents should not be allowing their kids to use drugs. I don't have anything else to add to that.

[enhanced_deficit]

That is an interesting jump for the Maine Gov. from his previous controversial anti-heroin stance.
And he has been a big Trump supporter.


Related

Maine's governor blames heroin epidemic on men with nicknames like "D-Money, Smoothie, Shifty" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?487870-Maine-s-governor-blames-heroin-epidemic-on-men-with-nicknames-like-quot-D-Money-Smoothie-Shifty-quot&)


https://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/gov3.jpg?w=700

[pcosmar]

I am curious in how opinions are formed.

I am curious as to what fabricated harm he is in fear of.

What Harm is there from consuming cannabis?
And serious documented cases of actual harm caused by the plant,, not some hoodoo that is simply blamed on it.

[jkr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-vzhUT5irY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USi1_3Fdjyw

and this is only one benefit. Just one of many.

The plant is a Gift from God.. Forbidding it is pure evil.

if only people would read a bible they could know that too...

denying the medicine made for these children, by GOD, is evil...but, THEY ARE EVIL, so i guess thats no surprise.

...but humanity just loves their suffering, the day just isnt complete without crushing your brothers and sisters and seeing them writhing in pain, hungry, and powerless

[Suzanimal]

That may be BUT when cops show up, we all know how horribly wrong things can go.

I would also like to add to this...

What happens when the kid or parent can't pay the ticket?

[bunklocoempire]

Juvy records are sealed. Regardless a juvy record for a misdemeanor is hardly disqualifying for anything.



I'm not even going to have this argument. Kids should not be using drugs and parents should not be allowing their kids to use drugs. I don't have anything else to add to that.
Sorry if I came off as arguing. I'm genuinely curious about what you have experienced personally.

I don't think most kids should be using either. I don't think a lot of adults should be using. I don't think government is in the place to tell families or adults what to do.

Individuals can and should say something and try to help ABUSE.
VOLUNTARY organizations should say something and try to help any abuse.
The individual, and an individual family, is not a one size fits all kind of thing. There should be relationships involved, to attempt to curb any behavior you or I don't agree with. Not an unaccountable 3rd party -an unaccountable 3rd party helps NO ONE and actually makes things worse.

[jmdrake]

Let me get this straight.........

You think weed is 'dangerous' to kids but not adults, is this correct?

My comment was about the quote I posted where he claims to be 'protecting children'...


[edit]

How 'illegal' is weed for people under 21?

Did you vote to make 20 y/o pot smokers felons?

Are you against restricting alcohol to people 21 and over?

[jmdrake]

I am curious as to what fabricated harm he is in fear of.

What Harm is there from consuming cannabis?
And serious documented cases of actual harm caused by the plant,, not some hoodoo that is simply blamed on it.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/10/news/stoned-driving-fatal-accidents/

And sure. Drunk drivers kill people too. I don't think pot is any more dangerous than alcohol. But both have an aspect of danger.

[tod evans]

Are you against restricting alcohol to people 21 and over?

Restricting how?

By force of law with criminal liability? Absolutely not.

By social construct without government intervention? Absolutely.

[jmdrake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-vzhUT5irY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USi1_3Fdjyw

and this is only one benefit. Just one of many.

The plant is a Gift from God.. Forbidding it is pure evil.

So....recreational pot for adults.....medical pot for everyone.....problem is......?

[jmdrake]

Restricting how?

By force of law with criminal liability? Absolutely not.

By social construct without government intervention? Absolutely.

Okay. But the reality that we live in now, the reality that governor LePage lives in, restriction is done via criminal liability. LePage isn't being any tougher on pot than current state law is on alcohol. It would be a bizarre result if kids could legally buy pot but not booze.

[tod evans]

Okay. But the reality that we live in now, the reality that governor LePage lives in, restriction is done via criminal liability. LePage isn't being any tougher on pot than current state law is on alcohol. It would be a bizarre result if kids could legally buy pot but not booze.

My initial post was about children needing 'protected' from the 'dangers' of weed...

Weed isn't dangerous and to think that government is out to protect anybody but themselves is plain ludicrous..

When the method used to 'protect' is more harmful than the substance one is protected from there's something seriously wrong.

[dannno]

Why do you think it is harmful for kids to possess Cannabis?

Most current users (or very many of) started as "children". In the early 70s,, most of my friends smoked,, and I knew families that smoked. to 4 generations.

It is a non toxic substance safer than school glue and crayons.

Seriously,, It is every bit as beneficial to children as it is to adults.

add
I remember one family,,
The kids would compete (behaved themselves) for the "honor" of passing the joint. The kids did not smoke,, but were not taught that there was anything wrong with it.
Three kids,, and I watched them grow to responsible adults with families of their own.

The bigger question is whether throwing a kid in jail is worse than just letting them smoke pot or let their parents handle it. Going to jail or giving them a record can turn them into criminals, and possibly onto harder drugs.

I'm willing to concede an 18+ law for sales to get it legalized, but I wouldn't complain if it were treated like tomatoes either.

[tod evans]

Marijuana protection team actively protecting your children;


http://3ncb884ou5e49t9eb3fpeur1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/swat-raid.jpg

[69360]

Okay. But the reality that we live in now, the reality that governor LePage lives in, restriction is done via criminal liability. LePage isn't being any tougher on pot than current state law is on alcohol. It would be a bizarre result if kids could legally buy pot but not booze.

That's really not true. LePage is on record many times saying he does not want to jail addicts, he wants to rehab them. He most surely does want to jail heroin dealers.


I would agree that pot is probably better for you than alcohol if you are going to use something.

21 seems to work. By 21 kids are getting more responsible. Every kid is different though. I suppose it wouldn't be the end of the world if they could buy dope and booze at 18, but maybe 21 is better.

[pcosmar]

So....recreational pot for adults.....medical pot for everyone.....problem is......?

Recreational/medical makes no difference.

If someone uses recreationally they receive medical benefits. someone using for medical may feel euphoric effects.

It's called a side effect. and as side effects go,, it is not unpleasant.

[pcosmar]

It would be a bizarre result if kids could legally buy pot but not booze.

even better would be to have the Government out of Commerce entirely. other than preventing barriers to free trade.(commerce clause)

[surf]

I voted for it in WA State with full recognition of all the flaws inherent in the "legalization" laws.

am not surprised that our gov't can try to screw up something so simple as this. decrim is still a dream of mine, and i'm w/tod evans:
Fuck off LePage!

[CaseyJones]

I voted for it in WA State with full recognition of all the flaws inherent in the "legalization" laws.

am not surprised that our gov't can try to screw up something so simple as this. decrim is still a dream of mine, and i'm w/tod evans:

you need to know about this bill then
http://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=1092&Year=2017
would allow home growing in washington
urge your legislator to support it

[pcosmar]

I voted for it in WA State with full recognition of all the flaws inherent in the "legalization" laws.

am not surprised that our gov't can try to screw up something so simple as this. decrim is still a dream of mine, and i'm w/tod evans:

It was cool watching Washington State LOWER taxes on cannabis though. :D

They still seem pleased at the tax profits.. at 25%

[oyarde]

Marijuana protection team actively protecting your children;


http://3ncb884ou5e49t9eb3fpeur1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/swat-raid.jpg
Fort Worth .

[surf]

you need to know about this bill then
http://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=1092&Year=2017
would allow home growing in washington
urge your legislator to support itthanks for posting that. i'm already urging my legislators to sign on.

[CaseyJones]

thanks for posting that. i'm already urging my legislators to sign on.

np
also urge them to not support this one
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506931-Washington-state-bill-would-ban-bitcoin-for-marijuana-sales

[CaseyJones]

and tell your Rep to join the bipartisan Cannabis Caucus
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506527-Action-Alert-Tell-Your-Federal-Rep-To-Join-The-Cannabis-Caucus
I will bump the thread now

[jmdrake]

Okay. This is where libertarians cross the line from sensible advocates of decriminalization to zealots.


even better would be to have the Government out of Commerce entirely. other than preventing barriers to free trade.(commerce clause)

Ummmm.....that's not what the interstate commerce clause is for. It was never meant to prevent states from restricting commerce within their own state. It was meant to prevent states from restricting interstate commerce. States have always had the right to prohibit the sale of alcohol, prostitution, marijuana, or whatever. Maybe a state should be able to restrict anything but that's not the meaning of the interstate commerce clause.


Recreational/medical makes no difference.

If someone uses recreationally they receive medical benefits. someone using for medical may feel euphoric effects.

It's called a side effect. and as side effects go,, it is not unpleasant.

Well for most of the rest of the planet it does. Question. Do you think minors should be allowed to recreationaly use all drugs including heroin? Oxycontin is basically synthetic heroine. If your position is "All drugs should be legal for all people at all ages for any reason whatsoever" then fine. That's your position. I see no logical reason though to rag on LaPage for not going as far as you want on this issue even though he's gone further than many other governors.



My initial post was about children needing 'protected' from the 'dangers' of weed...

Weed isn't dangerous and to think that government is out to protect anybody but themselves is plain ludicrous..

When the method used to 'protect' is more harmful than the substance one is protected from there's something seriously wrong.

If a 16 year old smokes weed and gets behind the wheel that's dangerous. And yes, it's dangerous for a 21 year old to do that as well. But society takes the view that a 16 year old is more likely to take stupid chances than a 21 year old. Of course that could be because many who take stupid chances at 16 don't make it to 21.


The bigger question is whether throwing a kid in jail is worse than just letting them smoke pot or let their parents handle it. Going to jail or giving them a record can turn them into criminals, and possibly onto harder drugs.

Ummmm....that's why there is a juvenile justice system. It's unlikely for someone under 18 who gets busted for pot to get a criminal record. The real effect of having laws prohibiting minors from buying alcohol, cigarettes, porn or whatever is that the adults who sell it to them, buy it for them, end up with criminal records. Now here's something else to consider. If alcohol and cigarettes are still barred from minors but pot is allowed for minors then the bizarre result would be that instead of risking breaking the law to buy booze or cigs, minors would simply legally buy pot. Maybe that's a desired result for you, but to me that makes no sense.


I'm willing to concede an 18+ law for sales to get it legalized, but I wouldn't complain if it were treated like tomatoes either.

As for tomatoes? I've never heard of someone getting into a fatal car crash because he or she was driving under the influence of tomatoes.



That's really not true. LePage is on record many times saying he does not want to jail addicts, he wants to rehab them. He most surely does want to jail heroin dealers.

Thanks for the added info! So that even further bolsters my point that attacking LePage for not going so far as to say "6 year olds should be able to buy pot too" is just plain silly.



I would agree that pot is probably better for you than alcohol if you are going to use something.

21 seems to work. By 21 kids are getting more responsible. Every kid is different though. I suppose it wouldn't be the end of the world if they could buy dope and booze at 18, but maybe 21 is better.

I don't know if pot is worse or booze is worse. I know both can impair someone to the point that it isn't safe for that person to drive. And the average 16 year old has so little driving experience that he really doesn't need anything else that might cause him to have an accident. I'm fine with treating pot like booze. To me it doesn't make sense to treat pot like tomatoes.

[pcosmar]

I don't know if pot is worse or booze is worse. .



I would refute your entire post,, a piece at a time..

But that would be a wall of text. And that one line is quite enough.

You don't know shit but are willing to legislate it anyway.

The fact that you put the two in the same sentence as comparison is clear proof.

You truly are comparing tomato and gasoline,, and you don't know the difference between them.

[tod evans]

If a 16 year old smokes weed and gets behind the wheel that's dangerous. And yes, it's dangerous for a 21 year old to do that as well. But society takes the view that a 16 year old is more likely to take stupid chances than a 21 year old. Of course that could be because many who take stupid chances at 16 don't make it to 21.


Oh good grief!

16 y/o kids are more prone to do stupid shit due to hormonal overdoses than a weed buzz...

Seriously..........

[pcosmar]

Seriously..........
seriously

For thousands of years,, the plant was clothing,housing,food, medicine and commerce.
in only the last 100 years has it been outlawed and forbidden. and humans suffer for it.

and people who observed the total stupidity that was Alcohol prohibition,, want to continue the same.
it is madness.

[jmdrake]

I would refute your entire post,, a piece at a time..

But that would be a wall of text. And that one line is quite enough.

You don't know $#@! but are willing to legislate it anyway.

The fact that you put the two in the same sentence as comparison is clear proof.

You truly are comparing tomato and gasoline,, and you don't know the difference between them.

:rolleyes: Sorry my friend but you are full of shyt this time. I already posted a link showing the already high incidents of pot based DUIs in states where pot is legalized. It doesn't matter if pot is worse than alcohol or not. Pot is clearly worse than tomatoes. You argument lacks logic, reason and merit.

[jmdrake]

Oh good grief!

16 y/o kids are more prone to do stupid $#@! due to hormonal overdoses than a weed buzz...

Seriously..........

:rolleyes: Care to post stats of stats of 16 y/o kids who have had fatal crashes due to hormonal overdoes? Or are emotional pro pot outbursts all you are capable of? LaPage signed a law decriminalizing pot in his state. You should be happy about it.

[dannno]

Now here's something else to consider. If alcohol and cigarettes are still barred from minors but pot is allowed for minors then the bizarre result would be that instead of risking breaking the law to buy booze or cigs, minors would simply legally buy pot. Maybe that's a desired result for you, but to me that makes no sense.

As for tomatoes? I've never heard of someone getting into a fatal car crash because he or she was driving under the influence of tomatoes.

.

In Colorado, fatal accidents went down as a result of legalization... because people were drinking and driving less, suddenly many people had a new or better option.. Alcohol causes a lot of impairment for most drivers, a few people can handle being pretty drunk and drive ok and are comfortable enough to decide when they ok and not ok, but for most not only does it cause impairment for driving but it causes impairment for decision making. People who are really drunk will think they are not drunk (I've heard people say things like, "I had 12 drinks and I wasn't even drunk!!") Hah.. ya right, if you saw a video tape of how you were acting you probably wouldn't feel that way.. people in this state often think they are ok to drive when they are not.

Alcohol does cause issues with driving for most people, I don't know the best way to deal with it for certain, but I will admit it causes issues.

Cannabis for the most part causes little to no driving impairment in most cases, and in some cases studies have shown that small to moderate amounts of cannabis can actually cause people to drive safer. They don't tend to speed or drive aggressively, change lanes and they tend to obey the laws more carefully.

I don't recommend driving under the influence of cannabis if a person is severely intoxicated or if they have very little experience, but the fact is cannabis actually has the opposite effect of alcohol when it comes to deciding to operate a vehicle. People who are actually capable of driving tend to feel like they can't, and they will actually decide not to drive when they would have been ok to drive. So it is a lot more rare for someone who is too heavily intoxicated on cannabis to actually be driving. They will probably just wait 30-60 minutes until some of it has worn off, or they will fall asleep on their friend's couch for a short time wake up and be ok to drive or something. If you're not eating cannabis edibles, you can typically drive within an hour or 2 of consuming large amounts of cannabis without any issue.

But driving aside, cannabis is far safer for people to consume in general than alcohol, and it is also healthier for the body in the longrun than cigarettes.

[tod evans]

:rolleyes: Care to post stats of stats of 16 y/o kids who have had fatal crashes due to hormonal overdoes? Or are emotional pro pot outbursts all you are capable of? LaPage signed a law decriminalizing pot in his state. You should be happy about it.

What I'm not happy about is his, and your, blatant lies about pot being 'dangerous'.........

You even go so far as to cite DUI arrests.......................For weed! :rolleyes:

Were the kids driving too slow on their way to the pizza parlor?

Having lived long ago as a pot smoking teen who was enamored by both pussy and hotrods , and after watching a few generations struggle with hormones/booze and weed I'm very comfortable stating that most teens are better drivers stoned than distracted by hormones...

But feel free to carry on spouting complete and utter emotional state sponsored bullshit..

[pcosmar]

:rolleyes: Care to post stats of stats of 16 y/o kids who have had fatal crashes due to hormonal overdoes?

Stats,, no..
Not sure they were even considered let alone recorded.
but art mimics life.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IRNLeBoozo

[jmdrake]

What I'm not happy about is his, and your, blatant lies about pot being 'dangerous'.........

The post stats to show I'm lying. You won't because you can't because you are the one lying.



You even go so far as to cite DUI arrests.......................For weed! :rolleyes:


Liar. I posted stats from pot related fatal crashes. Not DUI arrests. Good grief why is this so important that you need to lie and then falsely accuse me of lying?



Were the kids driving too slow on their way to the pizza parlor?


I dunno. I simply posted stats from fatal crashes where one of the drivers had cannabis in his/her system and those stats are up since Washington state legalized pot. Now there are a lot of positives from legalizing pot. Overdoes from prescription drugs tend to go down for instance. One can be rational and point out the positives without being irrational, like you are, and pretending no negatives or potential negatives exist.



Having lived long ago as a pot smoking teen who was enamored by both pussy and hotrods , and after watching a few generations struggle with hormones/booze and weed I'm very comfortable stating that most teens are better drivers stoned than distracted by hormones...


Anecdotal bullshyt that really doesn't mean anything.


But feel free to carry on spouting complete and utter emotional state sponsored bull$#@!..

:rolleyes: Keep being a pot cultist and lose all credibility with anyone else who isn't a pot cultist.

[jmdrake]

In Colorado, fatal accidents went down as a result of legalization... because people were drinking and driving less, suddenly many people had a new or better option.. 's

Great. Post the link to the stat. That's what I did. I posted a link to a stat showing fatal crashes involving pot went up in Washington state after pot legalization. Now, maybe total fatal accidents went down. Wonderful. But consider the freakanomic effect if pot is legal for teens and alcohol isn't. So teens which might not use either will naturally gravitate to pot. Perhaps that's a better option, but the best option for being behind the wheel is neither pot nor alcohol. I'm not sure why this is even controversial. :confused:

[dannno]

Great. Post the link to the stat. That's what I did. I posted a link to a stat showing fatal crashes involving pot went up in Washington state after pot legalization. Now, maybe total fatal accidents went down. Wonderful. But consider the freakanomic effect if pot is legal for teens and alcohol isn't. So teens which might not use either will naturally gravitate to pot. Perhaps that's a better option, but the best option for being behind the wheel is neither pot nor alcohol. I'm not sure why this is even controversial. :confused:

Since marijuana legalization, highway fatalities in Colorado are at near-historic lows


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/08/05/since-marijuana-legalization-highway-fatalities-in-colorado-are-at-near-historic-lows/?utm_term=.be7774e5af9a



The reason why fatal accidents related to cannabis in WA went up after legalization is because they started doing more testing in more locales, it was ordered by the state as part of the ordinance going into effect.

[tod evans]

The post stats to show I'm lying. You won't because you can't because you are the one lying.



Liar. I posted stats from pot related fatal crashes. Not DUI arrests. Good grief why is this so important that you need to lie and then falsely accuse me of lying?



I dunno. I simply posted stats from fatal crashes where one of the drivers had cannabis in his/her system and those stats are up since Washington state legalized pot. Now there are a lot of positives from legalizing pot. Overdoes from prescription drugs tend to go down for instance. One can be rational and point out the positives without being irrational, like you are, and pretending no negatives or potential negatives exist.



Anecdotal bullshyt that really doesn't mean anything.



:rolleyes: Keep being a pot cultist and lose all credibility with anyone else who isn't a pot cultist.

So refusing to swallow the approved narrative cited in anti-pot statistics makes one a "pot cultist" eh?

Sorry dude I'm not going to play your game, and make no mistake, it is a game....One you want to engage in that threatens both your family and mine.

Pot is not dangerous unless a load falls on you from great height, citing government statistics about how THC was found in XYZ circumstances after legalization is just another form of government worship designed to rile the ignorant. In any study you may find relative to weed impairment you'll be left to deduce that weed was "dangerous" from conjecture and not fact.

Here's a simple fact that big-government proponents always fail to address; Weed is far less "dangerous" to society than weed laws and their enforcement.

So carry on with your statistics, downplay anecdotal (first hand) evidence and put your family at risk of harm from the government you seem to want protecting you....But by God stay the fuck away from me and mine! My family is much safer around plants than armed, brain washed goons and their lawyers.

That said...........Pay attention! My argument is simply that weed is much less "dangerous" than government enforcement of weed laws.

Anything else you want to bring to the table is addressing your own beliefs and not mine.

All of my posts in this thread address the use of the word "dangerous" to describe weed and the claim that kids need to be "protected" from weed.

[mrsat_98]

So refusing to swallow the approved narrative cited in anti-pot statistics makes one a "pot cultist" eh?

Sorry dude I'm not going to play your game, and make no mistake, it is a game....One you want to engage in that threatens both your family and mine.

Pot is not dangerous unless a load falls on you from great height, citing government statistics about how THC was found in XYZ circumstances after legalization is just another form of government worship designed to rile the ignorant. In any study you may find relative to weed impairment you'll be left to deduce that weed was "dangerous" from conjecture and not fact.

Here's a simple fact that big-government proponents always fail to address; Weed is far less "dangerous" to society than weed laws and their enforcement.

So carry on with your statistics, downplay anecdotal (first hand) evidence and put your family at risk of harm from the government you seem to want protecting you....But by God stay the $#@! away from me and mine! My family is much safer around plants than armed, brain washed goons and their lawyers.

That said...........Pay attention! My argument is simply that weed is much less "dangerous" than government enforcement of weed laws.

Anything else you want to bring to the table is addressing your own beliefs and not mine.

All of my posts in this thread address the use of the word "dangerous" to describe weed and the claim that kids need to be "protected" from weed.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to tod evans again.

[Keith and stuff]

No doubt LaPage is 100% wrong on this issue. There was way too much time for the state government to come up with the regulations as it was. The government officials in Maine are just being extremely lazy. They don't want to do their jobs. Shame on them. Of course, this is expected. Government bureaucrats tend to be lazy. In fact, the thing bureaucrats are best at is delaying good policies while implementing bad policies.

[phill4paul]

jmdrake I'm going to have to disagree with some of your points on this one. Don't believe AAA's statistics any more than MADD's. Any statistics either of these organizations cite come from the NHTSA. I did a lengthy post somewhere, in the long ago, here debunking the statistics that the government culls together.

[opal]

First.. anyone old enough to be drafted is old enough to decide for themselves
Second.. it's a flippin plant! treat it like spinach.. put it in the salad, make a pesto..
Govt.. gtfo

[devil21]

It takes about a year for all of the legislators and governors pals and family to set up a monopoly for cultivation and sales in the state. Lots of shell companies to be created, lots of grow spaces and store fronts to be outfitted through their stolen taxpayer funds, lots of regulations to devise to cut out everyone else. That doesn't happen overnight!

What, you didn't think the average joe would be allowed to quickly take over market segments, did ya? That's why it's being legalized instead of being made lawful.

[tod evans]

It takes about a year for all of the legislators and governors pals and family to set up a monopoly for cultivation and sales in the state. Lots of shell companies to be created, lots of grow spaces and store fronts to be outfitted through their stolen taxpayer funds, lots of regulations to devise to cut out everyone else. That doesn't happen overnight!

What, you didn't think the average joe would be allowed to quickly take over market segments, did ya? That's why it's being legalized instead of being made lawful.

Don't forget about protecting the children from dangerous plants!

That's governments most important responsibility..

You know........Like all the warrants handed down for Nightshade and castor beans........:rolleyes:

[jmdrake]

So refusing to swallow the approved narrative cited in anti-pot statistics makes one a "pot cultist" eh?

In this case yes. You haven't offered any actual alternative stats or logical viewpoint. Are you are doing in sticking your fingers in your ear and screaming "LA LA LA! POT IS WONDERFUL! Never criticize pot at all or I'm going to have a hissy fit!"

Use some freaking common sense. Marijuana is a mind altering drug. That's the reason people freaking take it. Only a total idiot or a cultist would think that using pot would not have any appreciable effect on one's ability to operate a motor vehicle. I tell you what. Go to Colorado, eat a pot brownie, full strength, smoke a bag of weed, get on a motorcycle and drive through the mountains using a GoPro camera and post the results.



Sorry dude I'm not going to play your game, and make no mistake, it is a game....One you want to engage in that threatens both your family and mine.


Here's the game you should play pot cultist. Go to Colorado, eat a pot brownie, full strength, smoke a bag of weed, get on a motorcycle and drive through the mountains using a GoPro camera and post the results.



Pot is not dangerous unless a load falls on you from great height, citing government statistics about how THC was found in XYZ circumstances after legalization is just another form of government worship designed to rile the ignorant. In any study you may find relative to weed impairment you'll be left to deduce that weed was "dangerous" from conjecture and not fact.


One more time. Go to Colorado, eat a pot brownie, full strength, smoke a bag of weed, get on a motorcycle and drive through the mountains using a GoPro camera and post the results.



Here's a simple fact that big-government proponents always fail to address; Weed is far less "dangerous" to society than weed laws and their enforcement.


Governor LePage just decriminalized pot! That's what makes your entire argument stupid beyond belief. But I tell you what. Go to Colorado, eat a pot brownie, full strength, smoke a bag of weed, get on a motorcycle and drive through the mountains using a GoPro camera and post the results.



That said...........Pay attention! My argument is simply that weed is much less "dangerous" than government enforcement of weed laws.


Governor LePage just decriminalized pot! That's what makes your entire argument stupid beyond belief. But I tell you what. Go to Colorado, eat a pot brownie, full strength, smoke a bag of weed, get on a motorcycle and drive through the mountains using a GoPro camera and post the results.


No doubt LaPage is 100% wrong on this issue.

Right. Because instead of making pot legal for adults he should keep it illegal for everyone. :rolleyes:


jmdrake I'm going to have to disagree with some of your points on this one. Don't believe AAA's statistics any more than MADD's. Any statistics either of these organizations cite come from the NHTSA. I did a lengthy post somewhere, in the long ago, here debunking the statistics that the government culls together.

I will give you the same challenge. Go to Colorado, eat a pot brownie, full strength, smoke a bag of weed, get on a motorcycle and drive through the mountains using a GoPro camera and post the results.


First.. anyone old enough to be drafted is old enough to decide for themselves

No argument from me there. I don't think the alcohol age should be higher than the draft age either. That said, I don't think there should be a draft at all.


Second.. it's a flippin plant! treat it like spinach.. put it in the salad, make a pesto..
Govt.. gtfo

Opium is a plant. Hemlock is a plant. Nightshade is a plant. Poison Ivy is a plant. The fact that marijuana is a plant really has no relevance.

[jmdrake]

Don't forget about protecting the children from dangerous plants!

That's governments most important responsibility..

You know........Like all the warrants handed down for Nightshade and castor beans........:rolleyes:

You're right. Governor LePage should just make pot illegal for everyone because whiners like you will never be satisfied anyway.

[tod evans]

Go to Colorado, eat a pot brownie, full strength, smoke a bag of weed, get on a motorcycle and drive through the mountains using a GoPro camera and post the results. ad nauseam



Maybe a tad less alcohol before posting would help?

Or is it prescriptions that have your sensibilities all askew?

Either way you're sounding a bit like a nut this evening.

[tod evans]

You're right. Governor LePage should just make pot illegal for everyone because whiners like you will never be satisfied anyway.

Governor LePage is a complete idiot for calling weed "dangerous" and you're acting like an idiot for agreeing with him.

Go to bed before you make an even bigger ass out of yourself.

[jmdrake]

Governor LePage is a complete idiot for calling weed "dangerous" and you're acting like an idiot for agreeing with him.

Go to bed before you make an even bigger ass out of yourself.

Go do a bag a weed and drive off a cliff and make the world less whinny you stupid whiner.

[jmdrake]

Maybe a tad less alcohol before posting would help?

In other words you won't take my challenge because you know you're full of shyt. Thanks for coming clean.

[Ender]

Weed is not dangerous. Studies on impaired driving cannot provide any certainty on dope smokers; most accidents blamed on drugs involve several drugs, including prescription drugs.

I'm from California and never knew anyone that was involved in any serious accidents because of weed; in fact weed smokers actually have a tendency to drive slower, but not impaired.

I don't smoke it but have no problem with others, if that's their thing.

Marijuana was made "evil" by the gov to get rid of hemp, which was considered a gift from God by most indigenous cultures. George Washington taxed people who did not grow hemp, as it was so important in the colonies. It is stronger than steel, more durable than cotton and can be made into oil. Big Corps couldn't handle that and made a deal with TPTB to make the sister plant, cannabis, evil to the world. The Mexican nickname "marijuana" was even chosen to promote the elimination of hemp and the evilness of the plant to Americans.

[opal]

Opium is a plant. Hemlock is a plant. Nightshade is a plant. Poison Ivy is a plant. The fact that marijuana is a plant really has no relevance.

Um
Opium is not a plant.
The poppy is a plant
Kind of like the crude oil that comes out of the ground is not gasolene
Hemlock - is a plant.. and a tree that are not on the schedule 1 drug list
Nightshade is a class of plants, which include potatoes, tomatoes, peppers and more
Poison ivy.. yep, this one is a plant and hey look.. it's not on a drug schedule!
Feel free to go play in some

[devil21]

Go do a bag a weed and drive off a cliff and make the world less whinny you stupid whiner.

Smoke three marijuanas and see where you end up!

[tod evans]

Go do a bag a weed and drive off a cliff and make the world less whinny you stupid whiner.

Government sponsored propaganda shining through...

And this folks is actually a prime example of an 'educated American', the kind who fancy themselves politically astute and believe wholeheartedly that they are qualified to legislate how you and your family should behave under force of law....

Scary isn't it?

[jmdrake]

Weed is not dangerous. Studies on impaired driving cannot provide any certainty on dope smokers; most accidents blamed on drugs involve several drugs, including prescription drugs.

Studies on alcohol and marijuana show that when combined the impairment is worse than for either drug alone. That could also be true for prescription drugs. How many teenagers are on some kind of prescription drug?



I'm from California and never knew anyone that was involved in any serious accidents because of weed; in fact weed smokers actually have a tendency to drive slower, but not impaired.


Actually the studies show that the reason pot smokers tend to drive slower is because they know they are impaired!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722956/

This awareness of impairment has behavioral consequences. Several reviews of driving and simulator studies have concluded that marijuana use by drivers is likely to result in decreased speed and fewer attempts to overtake, as well as increased “following distance”. The opposite is true of alcohol.43 One review of eight driving simulator studies and seven on-road studies44 found that cannabis use was associated with either poor lane control41, 45–48 or slower driving that successfully maintained lane control.49–51 In seven of ten studies cited, cannabis use was associated with a decrease in driving speed despite explicit instructions to maintain a particular speed, whereas under the influence of alcohol, subjects consistently drove faster. Two simulator studies showed that the tendency to overtake was decreased with cannabis use but increased with alcohol.52, 53 One simulator study and two on-road studies examining car-following behavior concluded that cannabis smokers tend to increase the distance between themselves and the car in front of them.41, 45 Other studies have found no adverse effects of marijuana use on sign detection,49 a sudden lane-changing task,43 or the detection of and response to hazardous events.48

3.2.2 Studies that show impairment
Not all deficits can be compensated for through the use of behavioral strategies, however. Both alcohol and marijuana use increase reaction time and the number of incorrect responses to emergencies.43 Drivers under the influence of marijuana were not able to compensate for standard deviation of lateral position (SDLP, a measure of staying within lane), which increased with increasing doses of THC. This is a measure that is not subject to conscious compensatory mechanisms in the way that other aspects of driving are. Other studies have found poorer monitoring of the speedometer under the influence of marijuana,54 increased decision time when passing,52 increased time needed to brake when a light suddenly changes,55 and increased time to respond to a changing light45, 56 or sudden sound.57 Drivers also crashed more frequently into a sudden obstacle on a high dose of marijuana, although this did not happen at a low dose.45

Here's something else to consider. People know in most states if they get caught with pot in their system they're potentially in big trouble. So that could also account for more cautious driving.



I don't smoke it but have no problem with others, if that's their thing.


Nobody in this thread has argued that adults shouldn't be able to smoke pot. That's what makes this thread strange.



Marijuana was made "evil" by the gov to get rid of hemp, which was considered a gift from God by most indigenous cultures. George Washington taxed people who did not grow hemp, as it was so important in the colonies. It is stronger than steel, more durable than cotton and can be made into oil. Big Corps couldn't handle that and made a deal with TPTB to make the sister plant, cannabis, evil to the world. The Mexican nickname "marijuana" was even chosen to promote the elimination of hemp and the evilness of the plant to Americans.

Nobody is arguing that marijuana is evil. That also makes this thread strange. I'm not saying marijuana should be treated like heroine. It's just not a diet coke either. And hemp can't get you high at all. I'm 100% for medical marijuana and would even gather signatures to get it on the ballot in all of the states where it's not legal yet. I'm totally fine with adults smoking pot. I just don't think its "evil" for marijuana to be restricted to medical use for minors and totally legal for everyone else. Seriously why are people freaking out about that? I wonder if people smoke a few joints before posting at RPF sometimes. There is "evil pot propaganda" out there which claims pot makes people psychotic, that it's a gateway drug, that it causes lung cancer worse than cigarettes and all sorts of things. I haven't referenced any of that but people are freaking out. That's silly.

And again, my GoPro smoke pot challenge is still open.

[jmdrake]

Government sponsored propaganda shining through...

And this folks is actually a prime example of an 'educated American', the kind who fancy themselves politically astute and believe wholeheartedly that they are qualified to legislate how you and your family should behave under force of law....

Scary isn't it?

Cowardly pot smoker shining through. Take the GoPro pot challenge or shut the fvck up.

[tod evans]

Cowardly pot smoker shining through. Take the GoPro pot challenge or shut the fvck up.

Look Ace, you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about.

Either it's prescriptions or you're drinking at 5:00AM?

Find anywhere where I have said that I smoke/eat or in any way ingest weed or have over the last few decades.........I would be really interested to see you try.

Maybe you should take your own "challenge" if for no other reason than to educate yourself.

Ignorance combined with bravado in a 'member of the court' is the status-quo but for Gods sake man try a little harder......

[jmdrake]

Look Ace, you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about.

Either it's prescriptions or you're drinking at 5:00AM?

Find anywhere where I have said that I smoke/eat or in any way ingest weed or have over the last few decades.........I would be really interested to see you try.

Maybe you should take your own "challenge" if for no other reason than to educate yourself.

Ignorance combined with bravado in a 'member of the court' is the status-quo by for Gods sake man try a little harder......

Do you need to buy you a GoPro? Can't afford one because you spent all your money on weed? Or are you too much of a coward to take the challenge?

[tod evans]

Do you need to buy you a GoPro? Can't afford one because you spent all your money on weed? Or are you too much of a coward to take the challenge?

I don't own a GoPro, not interested in buying one either. Especially for some idiot on the interwebs who would have me spend my hard earned money to entertain his sophomoric fantasies.

Grow up little boy, learn about things before you pontificate, it'll help you save face.

Either that or get off your dads account.

[jmdrake]

I don't own a GoPro, not interested in buying one either. Especially for some idiot on the interwebs who would have me spend my hard earned money to entertain his sophomoric fantasies.

Grow up little boy, learn about things before you pontificate, it'll help you save face.

Either that or get off your dads account.

In other words you're full of shyt just like I said. I would send you the GoPro loser. You can buy a knock off at Family Dollar you broke ass junkie. Or you can just use your damn cell phone.

[tod evans]

In other words you're full of shyt just like I said. I would send you the GoPro loser. You can buy a knock off at Family Dollar you broke ass junkie. Or you can just use your damn cell phone.

Look squirt, my cell phone folds in half, it's for talking on, you know like a phone....

And as far as your 'junkie' assertions....................How much real property do you own, or your dad? Hell combine them and let's compare net worth..

You're wrong and out of your league, sober up and try again later.

[jmdrake]

Look squirt, my cell phone folds in half, it's for talking on, you know like a phone....

And as far as your 'junkie' assertions....................How much real property do you own, or your dad? Hell combine them and let's compare net worth..

You're wrong and out of your league, sober up and try again later.

LOL. So you're so broke you got a flip phone. My last flip phone also had a camera punk. And if you don't have any other options then duct tape your POS laptop to your forehead and use your web camera.

[tod evans]

LOL. So you're so broke you got a flip phone. My last flip phone also had a camera punk. And if you don't have any other options then duct tape your POS laptop to your forehead and use your web camera.

Reading seems to be a challenge for you, or am I right that this is a kid posting on JM's account?

Go to school boy and give your dad back his computer.

It'll be okay if you skip the DARE class today, maybe go meet a girl and get a life?

[jmdrake]

Reading seems to be a challenge for you, or am I right that this is a kid posting on JM's account?

Go to school boy and give your dad back his computer.

It'll be okay if you skip the DARE class today, maybe go meet a girl and get a life?

LOL. I've heard of angry drunks and now I've met an angry pot head. Dude if I wanted another girl I'd hit up your mom. Now you want the last word for today you can have it as I actually have work to go do.

One more thing. As for your ignorant DARE class comment, I've been consistent throughout this thread that pot should be legalized. The Governor you are bitching about legalized pot. This is just more evidence of what a total dumbass loser you are.

[tod evans]

:rolleyes: (A little over 1 minute in his own words)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg9wHovN5FI

[specsaregood]

Actually the studies show that the reason pot smokers tend to drive slower is because they know they are impaired!


Personally, back when I was a pothead, I always drove by the rules and the speed limit as well; but it was less because I knew I was impaired (I did) and more because I didn't want to get pulled over and busted by the popo. I like to think that spending my life stoned as young adult kept me ticket free for over a decade.

[tod evans]

Here's an article (http://www.attn.com/stories/12093/six-false-claims-about-marijuana-from-maines-governor-paul-lepage) that debunks LePage

[Keith and stuff]

Right. Because instead of making pot legal for adults he should keep it illegal for everyone. :rolleyes:

The powers that be (including LaPage) in both states were against the efforts by the people. They are delaying. LaPage is against legalization and is doing what he can to hurt as many people as possible for as long as possible. He is generally decent, and better than all but a handful of governors. However, he is 100% wrong on this issue. It doesn't matter. He will try and try but fail to stop cannabis freedom :)