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CPUd
01-26-2017, 05:48 PM
Donald Trump said 11 false things in his first major TV interview as president


U.S. President Donald Trump makes frequent false claims about matters big and small. The Star is planning to track them all. Please contact Daniel Dale at ddale@thestar.ca if you hear Trump say anything you know is false or should be checked.

WASHINGTON—Trump sat down with ABC’s David Muir on Wednesday for his first major television interview as president. He showed no sign of abandoning his campaign penchant for littering interviews with false claims. We counted 11 — not including the outlandish but uncheckable claim that he was told he received “the biggest standing ovation since Peyton Manning had won the Super Bowl.”

1. The claim: “Look, Barack Obama — if you look back, eight years ago when he first ran — he was running for office in Chicago … and he was laughing at the system because he knew all of those votes were going to him … he was smiling and laughing about the vote in Chicago.”

In fact: This is a gross mischaracterization of Obama’s remarks and behaviour during the 2008 campaign. He did not laugh or smile about the voting system in Chicago, and he did not suggest in any way that he was going to be receiving fraudulent votes. He acknowledged that his party had sometimes “monkeyed” with Chicago elections “in the past.”

2. The claim: Regarding voting fraud: “You look at Philadelphia, you look at what’s going on in Philadelphia.”

In fact: There is no evidence of a significant voter fraud problem in Philadelphia.

3. The claim: Regarding voting fraud: “Chicago, look what’s going on in Chicago. It’s only gotten worse.”

In fact: There is no evidence of a significant voter fraud problem in Chicago, and there is no evidence that its voting system has become increasingly plagued by fraud.

4. The claim: Regarding his false claim of “millions” of possible illegal voters: “Those were Hillary votes. And if you look at it they all voted for Hillary. They all voted for Hillary. They didn’t vote for me. I don’t believe I got one. OK, these are people that voted for Hillary Clinton.”

In fact: These large numbers of illegal voters did not “all” vote for Clinton because they do not exist. Even if they did, it would be impossible for Trump to know that not a single one voted for him, since the ballot is secret. This claim is simply absurd.

5. The claim: “Now you’re telling me Pew report has all of a sudden changed.”

In fact: Trump was trying to use a 2012 Pew report as supposed evidence of widespread voter fraud. Muir told him he was wrong — not because the report changed but because it never showed what Trump falsely claims it showed. “The Pew study I directed doesn’t address voter fraud at all,” report leader David Becker told the Washington Post this week. Rather, the study addresses non-fraud voter registration issues, such as people remaining on one state’s rolls after they move to another.

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https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/01/26/donald-trump-said-11-false-things-in-his-first-major-tv-interview-as-president.html

NorthCarolinaLiberty
01-26-2017, 05:53 PM
This article said 11 false things. Fake news.

CPUd
01-26-2017, 05:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5rBC8uPoa8

NorthCarolinaLiberty
01-26-2017, 06:08 PM
So I actually looked at the story. A lot of those are not false things he stated. False means not in accordance with truth or fact. Or something that is incorrect.

A lot of what Don said is his interpretation of events. You can't characterize someone's perceptions as truths or falsehoods.


So, the story itself might even be called false. Looks like I got some of it right without even reading the story first. Fake news.

CPUd
01-26-2017, 06:10 PM
DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, I just have one more question on this. And it's — it's bigger picture. You took some heat after your visit to the CIA in front of that hallowed wall, 117 stars — of those lost at the CIA. You talked about other things. But you also talked about crowd size at the inauguration, about the size of your rallies, about covers on Time magazine. And I just wanna ask you when does all of that matter just a little less? When do you let it roll off your back now that you're the president?

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Okay, so I'm glad you asked. So, I went to the CIA, my first step. I have great respect for the people in intelligence and CIA. I'm — I don't have a lot of respect for, in particular one of the leaders. But that's okay. But I have a lot of respect for the people in the CIA.

That speech was a home run. That speech, if you look at Fox, okay, I'll mention you — we see what Fox said. They said it was one of the great speeches. They showed the people applauding and screaming and — and they were all CIA. There was — somebody was asking Sean — “Well, were they Trump people that were put--" we don't have Trump people. They were CIA people.

That location was given to me. Mike Pence went up before me, paid great homage to the wall. I then went up, paid great homage to the wall. I then spoke to the crowd. I got a standing ovation. In fact, they said it was the biggest standing ovation since Peyton Manning had won the Super Bowl and they said it was equal. I got a standing ovation. It lasted for a long period of time. What you do is take — take out your tape — you probably ran it live. I know when I do good speeches. I know when I do bad speeches. That speech was a total home run. They loved it. I could've …


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/26/donald-trumps-brazen-first-interview-as-president-annotated/

69360
01-26-2017, 06:13 PM
He said 11 alternative facts. Hugely alternative facts. Greatly alternative facts.

CPUd
01-26-2017, 06:20 PM
https://i.imgur.com/95EblaK.png

MallsRGood
01-26-2017, 06:26 PM
A lot of what Don said is his interpretation of events. You can't characterize someone's perceptions as truths or falsehoods.

My interpretation of events is that 100% of votes cast were cast for Vermin Supreme.

Since you can't prove me wrong, this isn't false.

Since you can't prove I don't actually believe this, I'm not lying.

And if you do commit the sin of objecting to my baseless claim, you are peddling in fake news.

Right?

NorthCarolinaLiberty
01-26-2017, 06:43 PM
My interpretation of events is that 100% of votes cast were cast for Vermin Supreme.

Since you can't prove me wrong, this isn't false.

Since you can't prove I don't actually believe this, I'm not lying.

And if you do commit the sin of objecting to my baseless claim, you are peddling in fake news.

Right?



Wrong. I said "a lot" of what he said. That's not 11.

MallsRGood
01-26-2017, 06:48 PM
Wrong. I said "a lot" of what he said. That's not 11.

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This article said 11 false things. Fake news.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
01-26-2017, 06:52 PM
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That's a running joke between CPUd and me. Kind of like how Don talks in superlatives and everybody gets butt hurt.

PierzStyx
01-26-2017, 07:03 PM
So I actually looked at the story. A lot of those are not false things he stated. False means not in accordance with truth or fact. Or something that is incorrect.

A lot of what Don said is his interpretation of events. You can't characterize someone's perceptions as truths or falsehoods..


The hell you can't. If you believe something that isn't true then you are wrong. It is that simple.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
01-26-2017, 07:25 PM
The hell you can't. If you believe something that isn't true then you are wrong. It is that simple.


Facts are not interpretations.


Fact: It's 98 degrees in the shade.

Perception: It's not that hot.



This is why is it so difficult to prosecute perjury.

Zippyjuan
01-26-2017, 07:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzLP2Z7JVZA

ChristianAnarchist
01-26-2017, 09:05 PM
Only 11 false things?? Could be a new record! Don't believe any previous president has held themselves to only 11...

CPUd
01-26-2017, 09:11 PM
The guy who wrote the OP has been tracking his false statements over the whole campaign.

https://i.imgur.com/T0kh9kv.png

Donald Trump: The unauthorized database of false things (https://www.thestar.com/news/world/uselection/2016/11/04/donald-trump-the-unauthorized-database-of-false-things.html)

phill4paul
01-26-2017, 09:22 PM
So I actually looked at the story. A lot of those are not false things he stated. False means not in accordance with truth or fact. Or something that is incorrect.

A lot of what Don said is his interpretation of events. You can't characterize someone's perceptions as truths or falsehoods.


So, the story itself might even be called false. Looks like I got some of it right without even reading the story first. Fake news.

So true, thank you, Jebby.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
01-27-2017, 04:16 AM
So true, thank you, eduardo.


Any time, PRB.

timosman
01-27-2017, 04:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzLP2Z7JVZA

Another joke Zippy did not get.

silverhandorder
01-27-2017, 04:56 AM
Trump was right butt hurt reporter wrong.

AngryCanadian
01-27-2017, 06:19 AM
The same news media that never saw Trump winning the General election right?:rolleyes:
Why are you guys still giving them ratings?

angelatc
01-27-2017, 09:54 AM
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/01/26/donald-trump-said-11-false-things-in-his-first-major-tv-interview-as-president.html

OMFG- go away already.

1. "Obama admitted but he did not laugh." Yeah. What the eff is wrong with you?
2. On election day there massive reports of vote tampering in Philly.
3.Chicago voter fraud 2016: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/21/1518460/-Election-Fraud-Proven-at-Audit-by-Chicago-BOE-flipped-precinct-by-18pts-from-Bernie-to-Hillary


Just go away already.

CPUd
01-27-2017, 10:21 AM
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https://twitter.com/ABC/status/824453051478003712

PierzStyx
01-27-2017, 11:28 AM
Facts are not interpretations.


Fact: It's 98 degrees in the shade.

Perception: It's not that hot.



This is why is it so difficult to prosecute perjury.

Fact: There is no evidence of voter fraud.

Trump: There was voter fraud.

That isn't a matter of perception. He said something that is provably false. He is wrong.

angelatc
01-27-2017, 11:46 AM
Fact: There is no evidence of voter fraud.

Trump: There was voter fraud.

That isn't a matter of perception. He said something that is provably false. He is wrong.



Fact: There *is* evidence of voter fraud.

timosman
01-27-2017, 12:09 PM
Fact: There *is* evidence of voter fraud.

SJW strategy: deny, deny, deny. It always wins. :cool:

angelatc
01-27-2017, 12:16 PM
SJW strategy: deny, deny, deny. It always wins. :cool:

You can't have a rational discussion when one party will not concede even the most obvious documented point. Make no mistake - I still chuckle at the absurdity every time reality hits me and I remember Trump is president, but this is why he is president. He does not waste time trying to placate his opposition. He already knows they live in an alternate reality.

CPUd
01-27-2017, 12:18 PM
http://i.imgur.com/wck4DKo.png
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_12617.pdf

RJB
01-27-2017, 12:31 PM
SJW strategy: deny, deny, deny. It always wins. :cool:

That is why they chant, "Not my president! Not my president!".

timosman
01-27-2017, 12:31 PM
You can't have a rational discussion when one party will not concede even the most obvious documented point. Make no mistake - I still chuckle at the absurdity every time reality hits me and I remember Trump is president, but this is why he is president. He does not waste time trying to placate his opposition. He already knows they live in an alternate reality.

Trump unlike most people does not give them credit for not lying all the time. Most people hope that with proper care these SJWs would lie less, not understanding the only reason for fewer lies is bending the reality the way they want. Just give them what they want and they will stop lying. Win-win.:rolleyes:

CPUd
01-27-2017, 12:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g_vpmhGYF4

NorthCarolinaLiberty
01-27-2017, 03:31 PM
Fact: There is no evidence of voter fraud.

Trump: There was voter fraud.

That isn't a matter of perception. He said something that is provably false. He is wrong.


That's not what the article's "fact" said. The article said (italics emphasis mine), "There is no evidence of a significant voter fraud problem in Philadelphia." And "There is no evidence of a significant voter fraud problem in Chicago,..."



Significant is an adjective that has to be defined. That leaves it open to interpretation in the article. That means you can't call those statements false.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
01-27-2017, 03:36 PM
A couple more examples of where Don does not say anything false, expect maybe the number 17%. And the article said that was 19%. Big deal.


9. The claim: “I think you’re demeaning by talking the way you’re talking. I think you’re demeaning. And that’s why I think a lot of people turned on you and turned on a lot of other people. And that’s why you have a 17 per cent approval rating, which is pretty bad.”




10. The claim: “No, no, you have to understand, I had a tremendous victory, one of the great victories ever. In terms of counties I think the most ever, or just about the most ever.”

NorthCarolinaLiberty
01-27-2017, 03:44 PM
I love these sites that take their opinions and try to present them as facts by putting the word "fact" in their name. A couple are Politifact and FactCheck. There's also Snopes.

Changing your name does not change the definitions of fact and opinion. We learned that in grade school, and it hasn't changed.