Trump to announce US embassy will move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem on Monday

[goldenequity]

This needed it's own thread... It was buried here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506658-Bill-Submitted-to-withdraw-the-US-from-the-UN-the-American-Sovereignty-Restoration-Act).

EMBASSY

Gregor Peter
►#Breaking - Israeli TV: U.S embassy move to Jerusalem to be announced tomorrow following Trump-Bibi phone call tonight

Gregor Peter
Mais
►WHITE HOUSE SAYS IT IS IN "BEGINNING STAGES" OF DISCUSSING MOVE OF U.S. EMBASSY IN ISRAEL TO JERUSALEM -- RTRS

Donald Trump ‘to announce US embassy will move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem on Monday' (http://archive.is/NA6wB)

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2017/01/22/16/us-embassy-israel.jpg
(I like the guy changing his shirt up in the window next to the flag. hahaha :) )


The Jerusalem Post
►Trump: Phone call with Netanyahu was 'very nice'.

Gregor Peter
►PRESIDENT TRUMP INVITES NETANYAHU TO W.H. IN FEBRUARY: HAARETZ










WEST BANK SETTLEMENTS + E. JERUSALEM CONSTRUCTION :eek: ( like building the Third Temple?? SEE HERE (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506620-An-Inaugural-Curse&p=6402097&viewfull=1#post6402097) )

Gregor Peter
►NETANYAHU TO ANNOUNCE "SIGNIFICANT" WEST BANK EXPANSION SOON, LIFTS POLITICAL RESTRICTIONS FOR BUILDING IN EAST JERUSALEM

[nikcers]

Trump to announce US embassy will move from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem on Monday (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506670-Trump-to-announce-US-embassy-will-move-from-Tel-Aviv-to-Jerusalem-on-Monday&p=6402508#post6402508)
Trump Invites Israeli PM Netanyahu to Washington, Israel Says
(http://abcnews.go.com/International/trump-speak-israeli-pm-netanyahu-today/story?id=44968543)Trump says 'day one' of his administration will be Monday, (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/real-time/Trump-Day-one-of-my-administration-starts-on-Monday.html)
Shits about to hit the fan. DAY ONE = ripping up the Iran deal.

[CPUd]

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/814113616110751744

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/814114980983427073

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https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/814129958385831936

[nikcers]

Kerry, Abbas warn of an 'explosion' of violence with Jerusalem embassy move

“You’d have an explosion, an absolute explosion in the region (http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Kerry-warns-of-an-explosion-of-violence-with-Trump-embassy-move-477736), not just in the West Bank and perhaps even in Israel itself, but throughout the region,” Kerry warned.

“The Arab world has enormous interest in the Haram al-Sharif, as it is called, the Temple Mount, the Dome [of the Rock], and it is a holy site for the Arab world.”

[Dr.3D]

Now the envoy to Israel expecting an embassy in Jerusalem doesn't look so stupid.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?505430-Trump-s-pick-for-envoy-to-Israel-expects-embassy-in-Jerusalem

[enhanced_deficit]

His daughter and son in law are jewish, they could still talk him out of this by next week.



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Haaretz
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/polopoly_fs/1.766601.1485054573!/image/446912015.JPG_gen/derivatives/headline_339x191/446912015.JPG (http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.766599)Jared Kushner's Brother Reportedly Spotted at anti-Trump Protest March in D.C. (http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.766599)

By Amir Tibon13 hours ago

[afwjam]

That will help.

[CPUd]

https://i.imgur.com/wNlzx2C.png

[BamaAla]

Only care if we get the contract on the new facility.

[enhanced_deficit]

Kerry, Abbas warn of an 'explosion' of violence with Jerusalem embassy move

“You’d have an explosion, an absolute explosion in the region (http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Kerry-warns-of-an-explosion-of-violence-with-Trump-embassy-move-477736), not just in the West Bank and perhaps even in Israel itself, but throughout the region,” Kerry warned.

“The Arab world has enormous interest in the Haram al-Sharif, as it is called, the Temple Mount, the Dome [of the Rock], and it is a holy site for the Arab world.”

It would be a blunder if his goal is to cut wars spending abroad and spend more at home, he probaby would avoid such a step in the end.
The 1995 Act was passed before 9/11 and would not have same support in Congress in the post 9/11/Iraq war/Barack Hussein Obama world


US allies point out that if the embassy move takes place, it will matter where exactly it goes. West Jerusalem would be less problematic than if it's placed in East Jerusalem, which Palestinians could see as an annexation by Israel.

"If it's moved into East Jerusalem, the Palestinians would certainly view it as a provocative move," said another European diplomat.

The Trump team has offered no specifics on when or where the embassy would move, but Trump has said he'd like it to happen soon.

The 1995 Jerusalem Embassy Act calls on the US to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and relocate the embassy there. But the law allows for the move to be waived if the President deems it harmful to US national security interests.

they fear the move will lead to security problems for US diplomatic missions and troops throughout the Middle East, create friction in US relationships with countries across the region, and cause even deeper rifts between Israelis and Palestinians.
With the six-month extension signed by Obama expiring on June 1, Israeli sources have suggested the May 24 Israeli holiday Jerusalem Day as a possible date for relocating the embassy. That national holiday commemorates the reunification of Jerusalem and the establishment of Israeli control over the Old City following the June 1967 Six Day War and typically is marked by ceremonies and memorial services.
But the extension could give the incoming administration time to rethink the consequences of its decision and find a face-saving way to back out. Diplomats suggested once the administration is in office for a few months, the realities of chaos in the Middle East and the need not to alienate US Arab allies may cause a newly minted President Trump to sing a different tune.

Last month, Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman played down the crucial nature of immediately relocating the embassy.
"We've seen this promise (from US presidential candidates) in every election," Lieberman noted during remarks at the Saban Forum.





Now the envoy to Israel expecting an embassy in Jerusalem doesn't look so stupid.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?505430-Trump-s-pick-for-envoy-to-Israel-expects-embassy-in-Jerusalem

Him being proven right in his expectation on this and looking stupid are not mutually exclusive though.



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[TheTexan]

https://i.imgur.com/wNlzx2C.png

Those bulldozers are really sturdy. Can take a lot of abuse. A+ israeli manufacturing IMO

[enhanced_deficit]

Those bulldozers are really sturdy. Can take a lot of abuse. A+ israeli manufacturing IMO

Except when the wrong guy gets behind the driver seat.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2Z0KS39ZUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2Z0KS39ZUg

[Dr.3D]

Those bulldozers are really sturdy. Can take a lot of abuse. A+ israeli manufacturing IMO
Built Ford tough.

[Jan2017]

I dunno what this means ultimately - The Holy City has not really been a target for anybody before.
Isn't Tel Aviv really the front lines ?

[enhanced_deficit]

Early speculation is not always right.

Trump team won't move embassy to Jerusalem quickly: report (http://thehill.com/policy/international/315595-trump-team-wont-move-us-embassy-to-jerusalem-quickly-report)


The Hill

- ‎3 hours ago‎



An MSNBC anchor, Ayman Mohyeldin, tweeted early Monday that sources told "Morning Joe" host Joe Scarborough that the president's priority is a regional peace deal.

[unknown]

Early speculation is not always right.

Trump team won't move embassy to Jerusalem quickly: report (http://thehill.com/policy/international/315595-trump-team-wont-move-us-embassy-to-jerusalem-quickly-report)


The Hill

- ‎3 hours ago‎



An MSNBC anchor, Ayman Mohyeldin, tweeted early Monday that sources told "Morning Joe" host Joe Scarborough that the president's priority is a regional peace deal.

Huh?

[opal]

spending money we can print all day.. lovely

[rpfocus]

Trump is just another puppet of the Israel lobby. Who's up for some proxy wars?! Are we great again yet?!

[goldenequity]

Trump Administration sources say US embassy in Israel will not be moved to Jerusalem any time soon
https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/823521241784938498

[bunklocoempire]

Anytime soon...

Okay.

Any real reasons for moving it in the first place? Is their lease up or something? Does the DSL suck? Crazy common area fees? Trying to help God with something?

Serious question, I may have completely missed the answer. I didn't know about La Macerana until two+ years later -it happens.

[Zippyjuan]

Trump backing down on another issue.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/notes-caution-surround-u-embassy-move-jerusalem-155114656.html


Trump White House lowers expectations for quick embassy move in Israel

JERUSALEM/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - During the presidential campaign, Donald Trump's team spoke often about moving the U.S. embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. But since taking office, the contentious issue has become more nuanced and may already be moving to the backburner.

In a statement issued before a first post-inauguration phone call between Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday and later reinforced at a White House news briefing, Trump's press secretary, Sean Spicer, lowered expectations of an imminent announcement of a move that could anger the Arab world.

"We are at the very beginning stages of even discussing this subject," Spicer wrote in an email on Sunday. "There's no decisions," he then told reporters on Monday.

Some Israeli news outlets and Israeli pro-settlement groups have taken it as a positive sign, interpreting the words of the new Trump White House as an indication that talks have begun on a move they long for, even if it could have profound repercussions for regional stability.

But Israeli officials said the issue was barely discussed on the 30-minute call, and diplomats said their understanding was that it was being pushed down the agenda, at least for now.

"Sounds more like walking it backwards," one Israeli official said in a text message after Spicer's statement.

Another said that during the call Netanyahu had not sought a commitment from Trump on the relocation or a timeframe for it.

The former spokesman for Israel's foreign ministry suggested Spicer's line was age-old diplomatic code for "not now". "This really means: 'Don't call us, we'll call you'" Yigal Palmor said on Twitter.

Netanyahu's spokesman did not respond to requests for comment.

NO EMBASSY IN JERUSALEM

While the Israeli prime minister cannot be seen to oppose the United States moving its embassy to Jerusalem - Israel considers the city its eternal and indivisible capital and wants all countries to base their embassies there - there is an awareness that such a move could be destabilizing.

Currently, no country has its embassy in Jerusalem, the Israeli foreign ministry said. Costa Rica and El Salvador did until a few years ago, but they are now in Tel Aviv.

[rpfocus]

Excerpt from: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2016/september/19/why-are-we-sending-38-billion-to-rich-and-powerful-israel/

Why Are We Sending $38 Billion to Rich and Powerful Israel?
written by ron paul

Last week’s announcement of a record-breaking US aid package for Israel underscores how dangerously foolish and out-of-touch is our interventionist foreign policy. Over the next ten years, the US taxpayer will be forced to give Israel some $38 billion dollars in military aid. It is money we cannot afford going to a country that needs no assistance to maintain its status as the most powerful military in the Middle East.

All US foreign aid is immoral and counterproductive. As I have often said, it is money taken from poor people in the US and sent to rich people overseas. That is because US assistance money goes to foreign governments to hand out as they see fit. Often that assistance is stolen outright or it goes to the politically connected in the recipient country.

Just as bad is the fact that much of what we call “foreign aid” is actually welfare for the wealthy here at home. The aid package to Israel is a very good example. According to the agreement, this $38 billion will all go to US weapons manufacturers. So the real beneficiaries are not the American people, and not even Israeli citizens. The real beneficiaries are the US military-industrial complex. Perhaps the money won’t even leave Washington – it may simply go across town, from the Fed to the Beltway bomb-makers.

[kpitcher]

does that 38 billion include the extra billion a year Israel gets as part of the Iran deal?

[P3ter_Griffin]

Trump backing down on another issue.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/notes-caution-surround-u-embassy-move-jerusalem-155114656.html

A potential alternative explanation:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn50VjiZCtA

[enhanced_deficit]

Huh?

Was suggesting that it is doubtful that embassy will move in coming few years... or ever.
Once new US ambassdor to Israel, Kushner etc find out that the showboating Act that called for US embassy move was passed before 9/11, they would put this move plan on back burner again.




I dunno what this means ultimately - The Holy City has not really been a target for anybody before.
Isn't Tel Aviv really the front lines ?

EM
Actually it has been targetted few times in the past.

Jerusalem captured in First Crusade - Jul 14, 1099 - HISTORY.com (http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/jerusalem-captured-in-first-crusade)
www.history.com/this-day-in-history/jerusalem-captured-in-first-crusade (http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/jerusalem-captured-in-first-crusade)
In 1095, Pope Urban II publicly called for a crusade to aid Eastern Christians and recover the holy lands. The response by Western Europeans was immediate. During the First Crusade, Christian knights from Europe capture Jerusalem after seven weeks of siege and begin massacring the city's Muslim and Jewish population.



Un-related

Christians are back! (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506577-Christians-is-back%21&)

Why Christians Are Fleeing the Holy Lands (http://forward.com/culture/340335/why-christians-are-fleeing-the-holy-lands/)









Edit to add:
Latest news suggest there is no hurry

White House Pushes Back on Quick Israeli Embassy Move
Newsweek-3 hours ago

Palestinians threaten consequences if US embassy moves to ...
International-Ynetnews-14 hours ago

[goldenequity]

Anytime soon...
Okay.
Any real reasons for moving it in the first place? Is their lease up or something? Does the DSL suck? Crazy common area fees? Trying to help God with something?
Serious question, I may have completely missed the answer. I didn't know about La Macerana until two+ years later -it happens.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXVx6yJQbn8

[rpfocus]

does that 38 billion include the extra billion a year Israel gets as part of the Iran deal?

Probably not. That money goes into the "Steal, I Mean 'Settle' More Land While Our Lobbyists Force the US to Look the Other Way Fund *wink wink*"

[enhanced_deficit]

Israeli gov’t doesn’t really want US to move embassy to Jerusalem — Foxman (http://mondoweiss.net/2017/01/israeli-embassy-jerusalem/)

Philip Weiss on January 25, 2017