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Brian4Liberty
12-26-2016, 01:20 PM
Obama's exit interview: I could've won again (http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/politics/axe-files-president-obama/index.html)


(CNN) Arguing that Americans still subscribe to his vision of progressive change, President Barack Obama asserted in an interview recently he could have succeeded in this year's election if he was eligible to run.

"I am confident in this vision because I'm confident that if I had run again and articulated it, I think I could've mobilized a majority of the American people to rally behind it," Obama told his former senior adviser David Axelrod in an interview for the "The Axe Files" podcast, produced by the University of Chicago Institute of Politics and CNN.

"I know that in conversations that I've had with people around the country, even some people who disagreed with me, they would say the vision, the direction that you point towards is the right one," Obama said in the interview, which aired Monday.

"In the wake of the election and Trump winning, a lot of people have suggested that somehow, it really was a fantasy," Obama said of the hope-and-change vision he heralded in 2008. "What I would argue is, is that the culture actually did shift, that the majority does buy into the notion of a one America that is tolerant and diverse and open and full of energy and dynamism."
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More: http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/politics/axe-files-president-obama/index.html

Natural Citizen
12-26-2016, 01:28 PM
I'm so glad that dude is out the door. It's just a bonus that Clinton didn't get in.

KEEF
12-26-2016, 01:34 PM
I'm so glad that dude is out the door. It's just a bonus that Clinton didn't get in.
Agree, but I am more ecstatic that Hillary didn't win then I am of Berry leaving the Whitehouse.

Dr.3D
12-26-2016, 01:35 PM
Obama, a legend in his own mind.

Brian4Liberty
12-26-2016, 01:36 PM
Prediction: radical Democrats will call for ending the two term restriction on POTUS...

Natural Citizen
12-26-2016, 01:39 PM
Agree, but I am more ecstatic that Hillary didn't win then I am of Berry leaving the Whitehouse.

Yeah I'm with you on that, man.

I think Trump has a little over a hundred court appointments to make. Not counting SCOTUS. That could have been Clinton with that power.

Natural Citizen
12-26-2016, 01:40 PM
Prediction: radical Democrats will call for ending the two term restriction on POTUS...

Probably.

KEEF
12-26-2016, 01:45 PM
Prediction: radical Democrats will call for ending the two term restriction on POTUS...
YES!!! More Hope And Change with Obama 3.0 in 2020. I can see it now, "Hoping and Changing to Make America Greater Again." <sarcasm >

oyarde
12-26-2016, 03:21 PM
Obama can run against Biden in the Primary .

timosman
12-26-2016, 03:40 PM
He was talking about the game of spades:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9FZv6_rxPE

oyarde
12-26-2016, 03:47 PM
YES!!! More Hope And Change with Obama 3.0 in 2020. I can see it now, "Hoping and Changing to Make America Greater Again." <sarcasm >

Hoping for larger fines for any poor without health insurance and more drone bombings .

Dr.3D
12-26-2016, 04:07 PM
Prediction: radical Democrats will call for ending the two term restriction on POTUS...
Then they run the risk of having Trump as president, indefinitely.

Superfluous Man
12-26-2016, 04:15 PM
He's right, of course.

The DNC actually accomplished something pretty difficult by picking someone so bad in 2016 they could lose to Trump.

AZJoe
12-26-2016, 04:58 PM
It's All About ME!!!

http://thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/obama-show-and-tell.jpg

69360
12-26-2016, 05:41 PM
I agree Obama would have beat Trump. I don't like either of them.

timosman
12-26-2016, 05:46 PM
I agree Obama would have beat Trump. I don't like either of them.

Brainfart?:confused:

silverhandorder
12-26-2016, 06:19 PM
He's right, of course.

The DNC actually accomplished something pretty difficult by picking someone so bad in 2016 they could lose to Trump.


I agree Obama would have beat Trump. I don't like either of them.

The pain will stop some time around 2019. Then it will begin for you all over again when God Emperor is re-elected.

Superfluous Man
12-26-2016, 06:58 PM
Brainfart?:confused:

You think Trump would have beaten Obama?

RandallFan
12-26-2016, 07:03 PM
It's a stupid thing to say at this point.

cindy25
12-26-2016, 10:25 PM
he could be right, for sure he would have carried MI, and quite possibly PA

but Joe Biden for sure would have carried PA and MI. subtract 36 from Trump and Biden is in the White House. Sanders would have lost also.

cindy25
12-26-2016, 10:27 PM
It's a stupid thing to say at this point.

not really, Bill Clinton said the same thing in 2000 and he was also right. Bush 43 would not have won, but Ike would have beaten JFK, hands down.

Dangergirl
12-27-2016, 12:24 PM
I think this crazy bastard might run in 2020 [hm]

Zippyjuan
12-27-2016, 12:55 PM
You think Trump would have beaten Obama?

Trump and Clinton both had high disapproval ratings. But winning a third time is hard. People are ready for change- even if the other option isn't that great.

Zippyjuan
12-27-2016, 12:57 PM
not really, Bill Clinton said the same thing in 2000 and he was also right. Bush 43 would not have won, but Ike would have beaten JFK, hands down.

GW Bush would not have gotten another term. Lowest "end of presidency" approval since Nixon.

Superfluous Man
12-27-2016, 01:25 PM
Trump and Clinton both had high disapproval ratings. But winning a third time is hard. People are ready for change- even if the other option isn't that great.

I can't see Obama doing as badly as or worse than Hillary. And that's what it would have taken to lose to Trump.

Brian4Liberty
12-27-2016, 06:54 PM
Trump and Clinton both had high disapproval ratings. But winning a third time is hard. People are ready for change- even if the other option isn't that great.

Incumbent always has a built-in advantage based on nothing more than voter inertia.

But people were sick and tired of Obama, and Hillary ran as third term Obama, so you never know if Obama would have won or not.

We would probably have Presidents for life without term limits, most of the Senate being a prime example.

vita3
12-27-2016, 06:58 PM
Turkey's Erdogan just accused US of aiding Isis in Syria.

Obama would have won? lollololololoollll

Superfluous Man
12-27-2016, 07:07 PM
Turkey's Erdogan just accused US of aiding Isis in Syria.

Obama would have won? lollololololoollll

What are you suggesting? That he would have lost because whats-his-name from whats-it-called accused the US of aiding whatchamacallit in wheres-that?

You're being sarcastic. Right?

vita3
12-27-2016, 07:31 PM
His foreign policy has been disastrous. Losing Turkey to Russia is just another huuuge example.

Right? Lol

vita3
12-27-2016, 08:20 PM
Arguing about an election that didn't happen is stupid.

My point is US, has lost close relationship with Turkey in favor of Russia. This is remarkable development under Obama's 8 years.

Story is all over U.K. Main stream
Press, but besides Reuters & some US alternative sites..

no US major is covering it

timosman
12-27-2016, 10:45 PM
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Weston White
12-28-2016, 12:29 AM
See this proves Michael Scott is much, much more intelligent than Obama!


Michael Scott, The Office: If I can just, think this through. If I can just think it exactly right, I can make this perfect. And then I can go down every avenue and every avenue off of that avenue. And then another avenue... And then another...

timosman
12-28-2016, 03:08 AM
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AZJoe
12-28-2016, 03:18 AM
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timosman
12-28-2016, 03:25 AM
https://dailydosha.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/ego-knowledge-ygoel-com_.jpg

timosman
12-28-2016, 03:39 AM
http://www.troll.me/images/baby-godfather/its-gettin-kinda-hard-out-here-for-a-pimp-thumb.jpg

anaconda
12-28-2016, 03:49 AM
Both parties are in dire straits. The mere fact that Soetoro is babbling this drivel is pathetic and telling.

enhanced_deficit
12-28-2016, 07:33 PM
Obama's exit interview: I could've won again




To be fair, he is really smart (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?504969-Did-Trump-cross-the-line-by-inviting-a-foreign-leader-who-called-Obama-quot-son-of-a-whore-quot-twice&p=6377057&viewfull=1#post6377057) when it comes to making predictions:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC1NGWM8gP8

ChaosControl
12-28-2016, 08:56 PM
He would have easily won. But it isn't because his vision. It all has to do with likability.
Clinton had none and that is how she lost to a complete nut job. If someone likable had run then they would have easily beaten Trump.

Brian4Liberty
12-29-2016, 12:56 PM
To be fair, he is really smart (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?504969-Did-Trump-cross-the-line-by-inviting-a-foreign-leader-who-called-Obama-quot-son-of-a-whore-quot-twice&p=6377057&viewfull=1#post6377057) when it comes to making predictions:


Pretty much every single member of the pundit/media class was wrong about this election. No reason to believe that any of them would be correct about this hypothetical Obama vs Trump match-up.

enhanced_deficit
12-30-2016, 09:28 PM
Pretty much every single member of the pundit/media class was wrong about this election. No reason to believe that any of them would be correct about this hypothetical Obama vs Trump match-up.

There has been a chatter that some media insiders were aware of Billy Bush tape and manipulated polls believing that tape release would make Trump's election defeat certain. Many people rightly doubted accuracy of biased media's predictions.

timosman
12-30-2016, 10:46 PM
He would have easily won. But it isn't because his vision. It all has to do with likability.
Clinton had none and that is how she lost to a complete nut job. If someone likable had run then they would have easily beaten Trump.

This is not 2008.

Brian4Liberty
12-31-2016, 01:05 AM
There has been a chatter that some media insiders were aware of Billy Bush tape and manipulated polls believing that tape release would make Trump's election defeat certain. Many people rightly doubted accuracy of biased media's predictions.

Everyone would like to ignore the basics, even the Trump team at this point. Democrats want to double down on their failed policies, so they blame Russia.

Trump won the blue-dog Democrat vote. He did that by catering to the real concerns of the common man: jobs, income, standard of living, immigration, terrorism. Sure, fame, celebrity and disgruntled in your face talk helped, but most importantly, he used the blueprint laid out by Dave Brat to defeat Eric Cantor.

Trump was the only Republican who seized on that opportunity.

timosman
12-31-2016, 01:53 AM
Trump was the only Republican who seized on that opportunity.

Isn't this a shame?:confused:

anaconda
12-31-2016, 02:19 AM
Obama, a legend in his own mind.

A little weasel. Hope he's very proud of himself. 300 years of black humiliation and they pick this banker twit? Makes me sad. Soetoro couldn't carry Cynthia McKinney's water.

anaconda
12-31-2016, 02:23 AM
Trump was the only Republican who seized on that opportunity.

Rand wants to learn the hard way, apparently. Not seamlessly picking up the Ron Paul agenda killed him. Trump gave him a glimpse of how to play politics. Rand's head must be spinning over all of this.

timosman
12-31-2016, 02:52 AM
Rand wants to learn the hard way, apparently. Not seamlessly picking up the Ron Paul agenda killed him. Trump gave him a glimpse of how to play politics. Rand's head must be spinning over all of this.

It is called lack of imagination.

anaconda
12-31-2016, 03:09 AM
It is called lack of imagination.

Yes, perhaps yours is the best description. Rand imagined a free pass that was not there.

timosman
12-31-2016, 04:05 AM
Yes, perhaps yours is the best description. Rand imagined a free pass that was not there.

Children are the future. Let the interns run the show. They clearly know what's going on.

Feeding the Abscess
12-31-2016, 04:21 AM
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Obama voters probably didn't vote for D Senators/Representatives at the same rate as Romney supporters did R Senators/Representatives.

Plus, many Obama voters didn't show up in 2010 and 2014.

Obama voters cared more about Obama than the Democratic Party.