Trump says "drain the swamp" was cute but no longer needed

[devil21]

Through Newt, the ultimate swamp dweller. Pledges to stick to the principle though :snort:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-21/trump-adviser-says-he-is-ditching-drain-the-swamp


Washington (AP) -- One of Donald Trump's advisers says the president-elect is no longer interested in his rallying cry "drain the swamp."

"I'm told he now just disclaims that. He now says it was cute, but he doesn't want to use it anymore," former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said in an interview that aired Wednesday on NPR. Gingrich, a vice chairman of the transition team, also predicted there would be "constant fighting" over Trump's efforts to reduce the influence of lobbyists and Washington insiders.

Trump's aides say he remains committed to his underlying swamp-draining policies, such as banning outgoing Trump transition and administration members from lobbying for five years. Trump also prohibits any lobbyists from joining his transition team or administration unless they de-register.

[brushfire]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51o13LjYANL.jpg

[CPUd]

Gingrich: Trump backing away from 'drain the swamp'


President-elect Donald Trump campaigned on a promise to “drain the swamp” in Washington of corruption, but now that he’s preparing to move into the White House, Newt Gingrich said the Manhattan real estate mogul is looking to distance himself from that message.

“I'm told he now just disclaims that. He now says it was cute, but he doesn't want to use it anymore,” the former House Speaker and close Trump adviser said of the “drain the swamp” message in an NPR interview published Wednesday morning. “I've noticed on a couple of fronts, like people chanting ‘Lock her up,’ that he's in a different role now and maybe he feels that as president, as the next president of the United States, that he should be marginally more dignified than talking about alligators in swamps.”

While Trump made his “drain the swamp” pledge a major part of his campaign message in the final weeks of the presidential race, his transition team was, in its early days after the election, packed with lobbyists for the pharmaceutical, chemical, fossil fuel and tobacco industries. Under pressure, Trump’s team instituted a rigid lobbying ban that prompted some to leave, but the group orchestrating the president-elect’s transition still relies heavily on GOP insiders.

Trump’s Cabinet and other high-level appointments seem to have deviated somewhat from his “drain the swamp” message. After attacking Democrat Hillary Clinton regularly throughout the campaign for being too close to Wall Street banks, Trump has put three former Goldman Sachs executives in prominent White House positions, including Steven Mnuchin as treasury secretary, Steve Bannon as chief White House strategist and Gary Cohn as the director of the National Economic Council.

Gingrich also suggested that Trump should quickly find a transparent solution to concerns about conflicts of interest between his presidency and the massive business empire he has pledged to hand over to his kids once he takes office. The former House speaker said putting such complex assets into a blind trust, the arrangement generally promised by presidents, would be “an absurdity” for Trump but that some other "common-sense" arrangement will be necessary.

“This is not a country that wanders around trusting people with power. This is a country that wants accountability,” Gingrich said. "He has to understand and his family has to understand that there is a public interest which transcends them.”

As a solution, Gingrich suggested that Trump appoint a panel of experts that would have “total access” to oversee his assets and advise him as to what is appropriate and what is not. That panel could be populated by individuals like former Attorney General Michael Mukasey, Gingrich said.

“A large part of his holdings are Trump golf clubs, Trump hotels,” the former speaker said. “I mean, we have never quite had anyone of this scale to occupy the White House and it's going to require us to think about, how do you deal with this in a way that's effective and that serves the interest of the country, but also meets some kind of practical common-sense test?”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/newt-gingirch-trump-drain-the-swamp-232878

[brushfire]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?505636-Trump-says-quot-drain-the-swamp-quot-was-cute-but-no-longer-needed

[Kade]

Heard the interview on NPR this morning. He 'backed away" from Drain the Swamp when he shoe-horned Goldman's elite into his cabinet... specifically Cohn.

[enhanced_deficit]

Despite what may have been the public definition of "swamp" during election season, the private definition was narrow.

http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/barack-obama-hillary-clinton-hug-photoshop-battle-56.jpg

[timosman]

..

[FSP-Rebel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KzO3r2ZFs8

[CPUd]

811610862926659584
https://twitter.com/CLewandowski_/status/811610862926659584

[devil21]

^^^^^That video is insane. The CEO of ExxonMobil is an outsider, according to AJ. lol

I sure hope no one listens to that dude anymore.

[Todd]

Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again........

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss"

[CPUd]

^^^^^That video is insane. The CEO of ExxonMobil is an outsider, according to AJ. lol

I sure hope no one listens to that dude anymore.

Not to mention, was brought in on the advice of fellow shareholders Condi Rice and Dick Cheney.

[timosman]

^^^^^That video is insane. The CEO of ExxonMobil is an outsider, according to AJ. lol

I sure hope no one listens to that dude anymore.

Why is AJ whoring himself so cheaply?

Hey Alex, here is the deal. We buy you a nice studio. Whatever you make selling these herbal supplements is yours. Do we have a deal?

[robert68]

The pigs start to resemble humans, as they walk upright, carry whips, and wear clothes. The Seven Commandments are abridged to a single phrase: "All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others". Napoleon holds a dinner party for the pigs and local farmers, with whom he celebrates a new alliance. He abolishes the practice of the revolutionary traditions and restores the name "The Manor Farm".

..

[Carlybee]

Shocking

[Brian4Liberty]

When was the last time Trump used the phrase?

[LibertyEagle]

Washington (AP) -- One of Donald Trump's advisers says the president-elect is no longer interested in his rallying cry "drain the swamp."

"I'm told he now just disclaims that. He now says it was cute, but he doesn't want to use it anymore," former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said in an interview that aired Wednesday on NPR. Gingrich, a vice chairman of the transition team, also predicted there would be "constant fighting" over Trump's efforts to reduce the influence of lobbyists and Washington insiders.

Trump's aides say he remains committed to his underlying swamp-draining policies, such as banning outgoing Trump transition and administration members from lobbying for five years. Trump also prohibits any lobbyists from joining his transition team or administration unless they de-register.

So basically, he doesn't want to use the slogan any longer, but still wants to do the actions.

Did any of you actually read the article?

[goldenequity]

So basically, he doesn't want to use the slogan any longer, but still wants to do the actions.
Did any of you actually read the article (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-21/trump-adviser-says-he-is-ditching-drain-the-swamp)?

yup.


Trump's aides say he remains committed to his underlying swamp-draining policies,
such as banning outgoing Trump transition and administration members
from lobbying for five years.

Trump also prohibits any lobbyists from joining his transition team or administration
unless they de-register.

Gingrich told NPR that as the incoming president, perhaps Trump
feels that "he should be marginally more dignified" than leading crowds
in "lock her up" and "drain the swamp" chants.

[dannno]

When was the last time Trump used the phrase?

Trump probably said it once in passing, then the media repeated it 80 million times.

[dannno]

Heard the interview on NPR this morning. He 'backed away" from Drain the Swamp when he shoe-horned Goldman's elite into his cabinet... specifically Cohn.

lol.. NPR.. I listen to that sometimes, a lot of propaganda on there.

How much do you hate Donald Trump on a scale of 1-10? I'll bet it's a lot, I mean you were lied to about Donald Trump on a daily basis for a year and a half, you must hate him a lot.

I didn't vote for the dude, I have a few issues with him but wow did the media completely get it wrong on almost every issue related to Trump.. I hope you didn't buy all that crap.

[CPUd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBzDYGXTX-0

[TheCount]

Trump probably said it once in passing I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or if you have really become a complete Trumpkin.

[dannno]

I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or if you have really become a complete Trumpkin.

I'd rather be a Trumpkin than some retard repeating mainstream media bullshit on a daily basis.

It turns out that when you assume 98% of what the media says is a complete lie, you end up being pretty well informed of what isn't true.

[Ender]

Trump probably said it once in passing, then the media repeated it 80 million times.

He's said it a few times and not in passing. It was his main focus in his Colorado speech in Oct and he has had it on his website:


Trump Pledges To Drain The Swamp And Impose Congressional Term Limits

There is another major announcement I am going to make today as part of our pledge to drain the swamp in Washington. If I am elected President, I will push for a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress.

Decades of failure in Washington, and decades of special interest dealing, must come to an end. We have to break the cycle of corruption, and we have to give new voices a chance to go into government service. The time for Congressional term limits has arrived.

...

If we let the Clinton Cartel run this government, history will record that 2017 was the year America lost its independence.

We will not let that happen.

It is time to drain the swamp in Washington, D.C.

That is why I am proposing a package of ethics reforms to make our government honest once again.

First: I am going to institute a 5-year ban on all executive branch officials lobbying the government after they leave government service.

Second: I am going to ask Congress to institute its own 5-year ban on lobbying by former members of Congress and their staffs.

Third: I am going to expand the definition of lobbyist so we close all the loopholes that former government officials use by labeling themselves consultants and advisors when we all know they are lobbyists.

Fourth: I am going to issue a lifetime ban against senior executive branch officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.

Fifth: I am going to ask Congress to pass a campaign finance reform that prevents registered foreign lobbyists from raising money in American elections.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/trump-pledges-to-drain-the-swamp



COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — Donald Trump on Tuesday pushed a package of ethics reforms he said would "drain the swamp" of Washington, D.C., including strict limitations on lobbying and a constitutional amendment imposing term limits on Congress.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/10/18/donald-trump-rally-colorado-springs-ethics-lobbying-limitations/92377656/

[TheCount]

I'd rather be a Trumpkin than some retard repeating mainstream media bullshit on a daily basis.

It turns out that when you assume 98% of what the media says is a complete lie, you end up being pretty well informed of what isn't true. You don't have to rely on the mainstream media. There's plenty of video of Trump starting chants of drain the swamp at various rallies, as well as generally using the phrase. And of course his website.

Intentionally burying your head in the sand won't stop things from being true.

[silverhandorder]

Lol triggering. Triggering all over.

All the moves he took so far look to me like he is draining the swamp. Put in our people in top positions.

[ChristianAnarchist]

I'd rather be a Trumpkin than some retard repeating mainstream media bull$#@! on a daily basis.

It turns out that when you assume 98% of what the media says is a complete lie, you end up being pretty well informed of what isn't true.

I, for one do not need ANY "media" (be it establishment or "fake news") to tell me Trump will be the same-ol-same-ol. I have Thousands of years of history to back me up as well as my own personal experience and observations over some 60 plus years. I chuckle when I hear the Trump supporters tinkle their pants dreaming of all the great things he's going to do. We will revisit this in a year or two and see what changes he's initiated...

[Jamesiv1]

because New Gingrich said so? HAHAHA!!!!

the fakest of fake news

[Madison320]

Let's give the guy a chance and wait until he actually takes office. There's a couple things I'm watching for. In March we hit the debt ceiling. Let's see what happens there. We could have a balanced budget, all they have to do is enforce the debt ceiling. Second, when the economy starts its epic crash, due to record amounts of stimulus, what does Trump do? Will he double down on more stimulus? Or let the depression run its course, allow banks to fail, partially default on the debt, etc.

[Jamesiv1]

Let's give the guy a chance and wait until he actually takes office.
nah.... that's no fun.

Let's sit around and throw stones, call him names, guarantee he's only going to do bad things

hell, let's cuss him up one side and down the other before he even gets sworn in!!! HELLZ YEAH!!!!!!!

GOLDMANN SACHS!! GOLDMANN SACHS!!! GOLDMANN SACHS!!!!

[CPUd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmX6DOBPLDQ

[newbitech]

good, about time that retarded meme was handled properly.


According to etymologist Barry Popik,[10] (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/drain-the-swamp#fn10) “drain the swamp” was originally used metaphorically in 1903 by Social Democratic Party organizer Winfield R. Gaylord in a letter discussing how socialists wish to deal with big business:
“Socialists are not satisfied with killing a few of the mosquitoes which come from the capittalist [sic] swamp; they want to drain the swamp.

[nikcers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmX6DOBPLDQ I never saw that argument against the Iran deal. Trump said part of the Iran deal is if Iran gets attacked we have to protect them. Then he even qualifies this by saying what if Israel attacks Iran are we going to attack Israel? No wonder people like Bolton who advocate for Israel to nuke Iran love Trump.

[UWDude]

So, real news is Trump didn't say that, fake news is Trump did say it.

Fake news, fake thread title.

Gingrich said it, not Trump.

[dannno]

So, real news is Trump didn't say that, fake news is Trump did say it.

Fake news, fake thread title.

Gingrich said it, not Trump.

Anti-Trump thread titles have about a 5% accuracy rate.

[Jim Casey]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/newt-gingirch-trump-drain-the-swamp-232878


Gingrich also suggested that Trump should quickly find a transparent solution to concerns about conflicts of interest between his presidency and the massive business empire he has pledged to hand over to his kids once he takes office. The former House speaker said putting such complex assets into a blind trust, the arrangement generally promised by presidents, would be “an absurdity” for Trump but that some other "common-sense" arrangement will be necessary.

Newt seems pretty upset that blind trusts are as scalable as they are.

[dannno]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmX6DOBPLDQ

Here's what I don't get. If Obama is so anti-Israel, what's with the Syria and Libyan wars? What's with helping fund ISIS to destabilize countries Israel doesn't like?

Obviously Trump has a lot of Jewish friends, that is the nature of his business. Certainly it is plausible he may be calling in favors (or not). And I'm not totally comfortable with all of his rhetoric on Israel, I still just can't imagine he is any worse than Hillary in any particular area including this one.

But ya that video wasn't very good, only raised a few issues that have to do with what I addressed already.

[nikcers]

Here's what I don't get. If Obama is so anti-Israel, what's with the Syria and Libyan wars? What's with helping fund ISIS to destabilize countries Israel doesn't like?

Obviously Trump has a lot of Jewish friends, that is the nature of his business. Certainly it is plausible he may be calling in favors (or not). And I'm not totally comfortable with all of his rhetoric on Israel, I still just can't imagine he is any worse than Hillary in any particular area including this one.

But ya that video wasn't very good, only raised a few issues that have to do with what I addressed already. The MIC thinks that Israel is just as great of menace in the middle east. Signing the Iran agreement said we would protect Iran if they got attacked, which meant that we would not let Israel Bomb Iran. Trump basically campaigned on "having Israel's back" and ending the Iran deal on day one. This is why he advocates for people like John Bolton for SoS. When Russia started putting out propaghanda on RT about Bolton wanting to bomb Iran Trump responded by announcing EXXON CEO Rex Tillerson, which basically was saying that Russia will have to sit down and shut up or they don't get any more oil. Trump basically just threatened to do what he campaigned on, "take the oil" and he is doing it.

[devil21]

So, real news is Trump didn't say that, fake news is Trump did say it.

Fake news, fake thread title.

Gingrich said it, not Trump.

So you are saying that Newt, a close advisor, is lying? I'm as skeptical of msm as anyone but you're claiming fake news when it is NEWT who said that he was told that Trump no longer has use for the phrase. Hearsay yes, but fake? It's not fake news. You're suggesting NEWT is lying, not the media. Fake NEWT perhaps. It came from Newt's mouth on NPR. Explain yourself.

[UWDude]

So you are saying that Newt, a close advisor, is lying?

No, I am saying you are lying, because your thread title says Trump said it, and he didn't.

[devil21]

No, I am saying you are lying, because your thread title says Trump said it, and he didn't.

You said fake news. Don't move the goalposts. Bit of a clickbaity thread title as a dogwhistle, sure, but not fake news. Are you suggesting clickbaity thread titles are now fake news too? I'm flattered! Didn't know I am a media outlet! Do I get a press pass? Newt is the one who said that Trump said it. I relayed that it was Newt's statement and stated so, plus quoted the article content, all in the OP. So again, explain what is fake news about it please.

(btw, when you start shouting about "fake news" at the drop of a hat you don't associate yourself with very good company, unless you consider NYT, SNL, Colbert and the like to be good company.)

[nikcers]

No, I am saying you are lying, because your thread title says Trump said it, and he didn't. Well Gingrich is part of his team, Trump said it, since he hasn't disavowed it or fired Gingrich.. Trump pays Gingrich to say these types of things, and he doesn't like paying people who do a bad job.

[jmdrake]

You don't have to rely on the mainstream media. There's plenty of video of Trump starting chants of drain the swamp at various rallies, as well as generally using the phrase. And of course his website.

Intentionally burying your head in the sand won't stop things from being true.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd3fnEAUuio


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDGJB_jXK_o


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Sh74mk7VM8

[devil21]

The best drain the swamp video. "Then I started saying it like I meant it."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AaMtf338JI

[Brian4Liberty]

811975049431416832
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/811975049431416832

[nikcers]

811975049431416832
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/811975049431416832



"Draining the swamp is in. The alligators should be worried," Gingrich said in the video posted on Twitter.
"When I make a mistake, I'm going to be straightforward and tell you. I blew that one. Draining the swamp is in. President-elect Trump wants to do it. And you're going to get to be part of it."

Yay we can be a part of it too guys

[staerker]

Fake news!

[Origanalist]

People say this, people say that, people say all kinds of shit and everybodies wrong. I'm sick of the whole fucking mess. Screw this shit. See you in about six months when there's something concrete to discuss.

[dannno]

People say this, people say that, people say all kinds of shit and everybodies wrong. I'm sick of the whole fucking mess. Screw this shit. See you in about six months when there's something concrete to discuss.

Ya it just amazes me to see people like devil21 still falling for it after at least a year and a half of the same thing happening every few days.

I can understand why the establishment shills will try and propagate this stuff but everybody else should have learned their lesson by now.

[CPUd]

Redefine the Swamp!

[dannno]

Redefine the Swamp!

Ok.

Mainstream media.

[presence]

Redefine the Swamp!

I think at last count there are 4.2 million federal employees.
We could start there... then work on the state level lowlands.

[Dr.3D]

But if we drain the swamp, it will smell like low tide at the marina.

[nikcers]

Drain the evil mustaches


Several of Mr Trump’s associates said they thought that John Bolton (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/john-bolton-claim-russia-election-hack-false-flag-fox-news-barack-obama-cia-a7470086.html)’s brush-like moustache was one of the factors that handicapped the bombastic former United Nations ambassador in the sweepstakes for the role.


“Presentation is very important because you’re representing America not only on the national stage but also the international stage, depending on the position,” said Trump transition spokesman Jason Miller.


“Donald was not going to like that moustache,” said one, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “I can’t think of anyone that’s really close to Donald that has a beard that he likes.”

[devil21]

Ya it just amazes me to see people like devil21 still falling for it after at least a year and a half of the same thing happening every few days.

I can understand why the establishment shills will try and propagate this stuff but everybody else should have learned their lesson by now.

I'm not falling for anything. Call Newt a liar if you wish but don't blame me for posting what he said that Trump said. I'm rather surprised you're apparently falling for the Trump schtick, actually. Not sure how many Goldmanites, billionaires and oil tycoons he needs to hire but I guess it's not enough yet. Maybe Erik Prince for Head of the Joint Chiefs? Oh wait, Trump already has his sister in his cabinet so not necessary....

[fcreature]

All the moves he took so far look to me like he is draining the swamp.

lol

Yea, every single one of them.

[devil21]

Newt never says he made it up. Just says he "made a boo boo" and "blew it" and "goofed" and "made a mistake". Obviously Newt was NOT supposed to repeat that publicly and got an earful over running his mouth once it caught on. Never mind that Newt is talking to people like they're friggin 6 years old in this vid.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLlnO6SdRIA

[silverhandorder]

lol

Yea, every single one of them.

Yes.

[nikcers]

Never mind that Newt is talking to people like they're friggin 6 years old in this vid. That's the joke, if Newt was going around lying about Trump he should be fired, if Trump wanted to send any message that he was going to drain the swamp he would fire Newt. Newt Gingrich is part of the swamp, that's why him saying this resonates so much.

[robert68]

..

[TheCount]

Yay we can be a part of it too guysOh sweet Gingrich is going to help get the alligators out of the swamp!

[bubbleboy]

http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=54915I goofed. Draining the swamp is in Newt

[nikcers]

Here's what I don't get. If Obama is so anti-Israel.
This.

In a stunning departure from its policy over the last eight years, the Obama administration abstained from voting on a United Nations Security Council resolution Friday that demands an immediate halt to all Israeli settlement construction in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, enabling the measure to pass.The resolution was approved with 14 member states voting in favor, none voting against, and one abstention — the United States.
The text also calls on all states “to distinguish, in their relevant dealings, between the territory of the State of Israel and the territories occupied since 1967” — language that Israel fears will lead to a surge in boycott and sanctions efforts, and that an Israeli official warned would provide “a tailwind for terror.”
Speaking at the Security Council after the vote, US Ambassador Samantha Power said the vote underlined the Council’s long-standing position that “the settlements have no legal validity.” She claimed the US position was “fully in line with the bipartisan history” of how US presidents have approached the issue for decades.


Shortly before the vote, an Israeli official used unprecedentedly harsh language to accuse the Obama administration of scheming with the Palestinians to harm Israel with the resolution.
“The US administration secretly cooked up with the Palestinians an extreme anti-Israeli resolution behind Israel’s back which would be a tailwind for terror and boycotts and effectively make the Western Wall occupied Palestinian territory,” the official said

[dannno]

This.

Not sure why you can't address my comment more directly.. it's actually a lot more telling than anything else you keep posting.

[nikcers]

Not sure why you can't address my comment more directly.. it's actually a lot more telling than anything else you keep posting. Israel warned Obama over UN vote, calling on Trump for help (http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Obama-planned-to-abstain-from-UN-settlements-vote-Israel-asked-Trump-to-intervene-476297)

[dannno]

You still can't address my comment directly. Absolutely amazing.

You wanna give a fourth try?

[nikcers]

You still can't address my comment directly. Absolutely amazing.

You wanna give a fourth try?
The US administration secretly cooked up with the Palestinians an extreme anti-Israeli resolution behind Israel’s back which would be a tailwind for terror and boycotts and effectively make the Western Wall occupied Palestinian territory,” the official said. (The draft resolution refers to East Jerusalem as “occupied Palestinian territory.)

[timosman]

The US administration secretly cooked up with the Palestinians an extreme anti-Israeli resolution behind Israel’s back which would be a tailwind for terror and boycotts and effectively make the Western Wall occupied Palestinian territory,” the official said. (The draft resolution refers to East Jerusalem as “occupied Palestinian territory.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRiApSxVV0k

[nikcers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRiApSxVV0k
https://i.imgflip.com/idczd.gif

[dannno]

Fifth try maybe?

Do I need to remind you what I even said? It seems that you have totally forgotten, since it hasn't been addressed a single time in any of your posts.

[nikcers]

Fifth try maybe?

Do I need to remind you what I even said? It seems that you have totally forgotten, since it hasn't been addressed a single time in any of your posts. Yeah I guess I don't understand what you are saying then? As I understand this was all predicated by the Iran deal. There was this huge nuclear deal that Russia helped forge, and Israel was against it. Israel wants these settlements, they want to bomb Iran because they arm terror groups that Israel is against. This is why people who are against the Iran deal say that it is anti Israel. The deal would require us to protect Iran if they were attacked even if Israel attacked them and they all but said they wanted to.

This lead to a whole lot of presidential posturing where everyone in congress bent over backwards to meet with Netanyahu. They even put out a bunch of fake news articles saying Rand Paul didn't clap hard enough and sided with Obama on diplomacy with Iran.

That was when John Bolton, the guy Trump lauded for secretary of state announced that if we want to stop the bomb, we must bomb Iran, and advocated to let Israel nuke Iran and then clean up afterwards. This is the same thing that Trump originally criticized Ron Paul for, "siding with Obama on Iran".

[dannno]

Yeah I guess I don't understand what you are saying then? As I understand this was all predicated by the Iran deal. There was this huge nuclear deal that Russia helped forge, and Israel was against it. Israel wants these settlements, they want to bomb Iran because they arm terror groups that Israel is against. This is why people who are against the Iran deal say that it is anti Israel. The deal would require us to protect Iran if they were attacked even if Israel attacked them and they all but said they wanted to.

This lead to a whole lot of presidential posturing where everyone in congress bent over backwards to meet with Netanyahu. They even put out a bunch of fake news articles saying Rand Paul didn't clap hard enough and sided with Obama on diplomacy with Iran.

That was when John Bolton, the guy Trump lauded for secretary of state announced that if we want to stop the bomb, we must bomb Iran, and advocated to let Israel nuke Iran and then clean up afterwards. This is the same thing that Trump originally criticized Ron Paul for, "siding with Obama on Iran".

Why don't you go back and read the initial quote you responded to, because you keep bringing up stuff that is completely unrelated.

[nikcers]

Why don't you go back and read the initial quote you responded to, because you keep bringing up stuff that is completely unrelated.
What's with helping fund ISIS to destabilize countries Israel doesn't like? I was hoping you would elaborate here, its not my job to present your argument and what I felt yours was an incomplete argument. If you are arguing that Obama funded Isis, I don't know if you are implying that Israel hasn't funded any of ISIS, that Turkey hasn't funded ISIS, and that Israel hasn't been getting black market oil from ISIS.

[silverhandorder]

Why don't you go back and read the initial quote you responded to, because you keep bringing up stuff that is completely unrelated.

It's in their DNA to obfuscate and strawman. Just ignore after you said your peace.

[nikcers]

It's in their DNA to obfuscate and strawman. Just ignore after you said your peace. No i am tired of foreign governments blaming us on ISIS when its our stupid allies in the middle east that are doing it. We aren't defacto sponsors because we don't start wars with Israel and Turkey. You can't be anti and pro Israel at the same time, this the straw mans argument.

[timosman]

No i am tired of foreign governments blaming us on ISIS when its our stupid allies in the middle east that are doing it. We aren't defacto sponsors because we don't start wars with Israel and Turkey. You can't be anti and pro Israel at the same time, this the straw mans argument.

GTFO.

[fcreature]

Yes.

Why can't you be honest and just admit some of the things he has done already have not reflected his drain the swamp mantra?

Reince Priebus = swamp insider
Jeff Sessions = swamp insider
Steven Mnuchin = George Soros / Goldman Sachs swamp billionaire
Betsy DeVos = RNC establishment swamp insider (since 1982...) & common core supporter
Elaine Chao = Mitch McConnells wife
Gary Cohn = goldman sachs hillary supporter

Like or dislike the politics of the people above. I don't care. But putting a bunch of long time goldman sachs and RNC employees is not "draining the swamp". Just admit it.

[silverhandorder]

Why can't you be honest and just admit some of the things he has done already have not reflected his drain the swamp mantra?

Reince Priebus = swamp insider
Jeff Sessions = swamp insider
Steven Mnuchin = George Soros / Goldman Sachs swamp billionaire
Betsy DeVos = RNC establishment swamp insider (since 1982...) & common core supporter
Elaine Chao = Mitch McConnells wife
Gary Cohn = goldman sachs hillary supporter

Like or dislike the politics of the people above. I don't care. But putting a bunch of long time goldman sachs and RNC employees is not "draining the swamp". Just admit it.

No. That is sad loser talk.

[nikcers]

Why can't you be honest and just admit some of the things he has done already have not reflected his drain the swamp mantra?

Reince Priebus = swamp insider
Jeff Sessions = swamp insider
Steven Mnuchin = George Soros / Goldman Sachs swamp billionaire
Betsy DeVos = RNC establishment swamp insider (since 1982...) & common core supporter
Elaine Chao = Mitch McConnells wife
Gary Cohn = goldman sachs hillary supporter

Like or dislike the politics of the people above. I don't care. But putting a bunch of long time goldman sachs and RNC employees is not "draining the swamp". Just admit it. I am getting really tired of the people who come on here just to say fake news and stfu or GTFO. They disrespect this forum and who this forum is based on. I think they work for Cambridge Analytica. The Cruz campaign bragged about how their analytics team have broken down the Ron Paul voter and that they were going to steal all of the Rand Paul votes. Cruz ended up walking away winning Iowa, Cambridge Analytica is still being contracted by the Trump 2016 team to help foster his image.

[silverhandorder]

I am getting really tired of the people who come on here just to say fake news and stfu or GTFO. They disrespect this forum and who this forum is based on. I think they work for Cambridge Analytica. The Cruz campaign bragged about how their analytics team have broken down the Ron Paul voter and that they were going to steal all of the Rand Paul votes. Cruz ended up walking away winning Iowa, Cambridge Analytica is still being contracted by the Trump 2016 team to help foster his image.

No you disrespect this forum by not admitting that you are a democrat.

edit: there is no point talking to trolls like the two above.

[nikcers]

There is nothing to see here guys- Newt Gingrich says he is going to drain the swamp and you're going to be a part of it !

[fcreature]

No. That is sad loser talk.

Okay I get it. Deny reality because WINNING.

You are are special kind of stupid.

Enjoy your anti-establishment Elaine Chao.

[silverhandorder]

There is nothing to see here guys- Newt Gingrich says he is going to drain the swamp and you're going to be a part of it !


Okay I get it. Deny reality because WINNING.

You are are special kind of stupid.

Enjoy your anti-establishment Elaine Chao.

At least I did not completely get the election wrong. So yeah WINNING and MAGA3X until you go away.

[nikcers]

At least I did not completely get the election wrong. So yeah WINNING and MAGA3X until you go away. I didn't get the election completely wrong, Trump is Isreal's lapdog, and I was not completely wrong about that. I just also said that there was no difference in foreign policy because Clinton would of been Israel's lapdog too. I guess the people who got the election wrong were the people who voted for the fake anti establishment or the fake anti war candidate. They are the jokers.

[P3ter_Griffin]

It is hard to take this forum seriously when the ronins, coacoas, and solas are banned yet we got a trump cuck like this running around. Get him the fuck out of here.

[silverhandorder]

I didn't get the election completely wrong, Trump is Isreal's lapdog, and I was not completely wrong about that. I just also said that there was no difference in foreign policy because Clinton would of been Israel's lapdog too. I guess the people who got the election wrong were the people who voted for the fake anti establishment or the fake anti war candidate. They are the jokers.

No you were running around here saying trump has zero chance. You got humiliated.

[fcreature]

No you were running around here saying trump has zero chance. You got humiliated.

Funny how you think that being wrong about who was more likely to win is humiliating given how much more humiliating your last string of 3 or 4 posts in this thread are.

[nikcers]

No you were running around here saying trump has zero chance. You got humiliated. Not going to lie I believed the polls, I didn't advocate for Clinton though. I stayed out of the general election completely other then when Trump people came in here pretending like he is Ron Paul on steroids. If anything my actions would of provoked Clinton supporters to stay home and Trump supporters to show up and vote to prove me wrong.

[silverhandorder]

Funny how you think that being wrong about who was more likely to win is humiliating given how much more humiliating your last string of 3 or 4 posts in this thread are.


Not going to lie I believed the polls, I didn't advocate for Clinton though. I stayed out of the general election completely other then when Trump people came in here pretending like he is Ron Paul on steroids. If anything my actions would of provoked Clinton supporters to stay home and Trump supporters to show up and vote to prove me wrong.

I know you get off of this. So I wont feed the trolls. You both were wrong. Being wrong about Trump and not reflecting on that is what is humiliating. You came back here like nothing happened. Sad.

edit: If I ran around all over the forum predicting epic blow out and was totally wrong I wouldn't show my face here.

[UWDude]

Not going to lie I believed the polls, I didn't advocate for Clinton though. I stayed out of the general election completely other then when Trump people came in here pretending like he is Ron Paul on steroids. If anything my actions would of provoked Clinton supporters to stay home and Trump supporters to show up and vote to prove me wrong.

I didn't forget all your posts. Pure hysteria from start to finish. Still are.

[nikcers]

Here's what I don't get. If Obama is so anti-Israel, what's with the Syria and Libyan wars? What's with helping fund ISIS to destabilize countries Israel doesn't like?

Obviously Trump has a lot of Jewish friends, that is the nature of his business. Certainly it is plausible he may be calling in favors (or not). And I'm not totally comfortable with all of his rhetoric on Israel, I still just can't imagine he is any worse than Hillary in any particular area including this one. Israel loves the new administration.



Israel Summons Ambassadors Of Countries That Voted In Favor Of U.N. Resolution (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/25/506908180/israel-summons-ambassadors-of-countries-that-voted-in-favor-of-u-n-resolution)
Netanyahu escalated his criticism of the U.S. for abstaining, even accusing President Obama of orchestrating the resolution himself. "From the information that we have, we have no doubt that the Obama administration initiated it, stood behind it, coordinated on the wording and demanded that it be passed," Netanyahu said in Hebrew.

Netanyahu added that he looks forward to working with the new administration when it takes office next month.

[Superfluous Man]

Threads like this are useful for keeping track of who takes Trump's side, like in post #45.

[enhanced_deficit]

Then critics/Dems could hijack this slogan as they already seem to have started doing:


https://pics.me.me/adam-schiff-repadamschiff-follow-jared-making-deals-in-the-white-31301676.png


https://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/headlines/swamp-cabinet-protest-sign_0.png







Related
Media trying to paint POTUS as 'swamp'? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?522075-Media-trying-to-paint-POTUS-as-swamp&)

[devil21]

Ahhh good thread bump. The only draining that has occurred is the handful of arguably non-swampers that surrounded Trump during the campaign.

I have personally drained more of the swamp than Trump has.

-------------------------
(The Cambridge Analytica post is also interesting given what has transpired with Facebook since then.)

[TheCount]

Each Trumpkin that gets exposed and fired is replaced with someone even swampier than their predecessor.

[enhanced_deficit]

Trump tells prankster posing as Sen. Bob Menendez, 'We're proud of you' and 'Great job' (https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/new-jersey/2018/06/29/president-donald-trump-tells-prankster-posing-nj-sen-bob-menendez-were-proud-you/746058002/?from=new-cookie)

Melendez said he then got a call from the president.

"Hi Bob, how are you?" Trump said at the start of the conversation as posted on the podcast. "How are you? Congratulations on everything, we're proud of you. Congratulations, great job. You went through a tough, tough situation and I don’t think a very fair situation, but congratulations."



Menendez indictment: 3 girlfriends, 7 lavish trips, more than $750,000

By Alexandra Jaffe, CNN
Fri April 3, 2015

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150402082823-getty-bob-menendez-press-conference-indictment-exlarge-169.jpg

Washington (CNN)
The 68-page indictment (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/04/02/menendez_melgen_indictment.pdf) outlines in colorful detail those duties as a senator — which include allegedly intervening on behalf of Melgen's three girlfriends' visa applications, among other things — and his friendship — which includes nearly $1 million in trips, political contributions and other perks.


https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150402192036-menendez-melgen-girlfriends-exlarge-169.png


Girlfriend 1: A Brazilian national who worked as an actress, model and lawyer

Girlfriend 2: A Dominican national who worked as a model


Girlfriend 3: A Ukrainian national who worked as a model and actress

THE TRAVEL

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150402191452-menendez-vacation-illustration-exlarge-169.png

From Punta Cana to Paris
The indictment outlines travel for seven trips Menendez took that Melgen paid for, typically on Melgen's private jet but at one point on a chartered private jet on which Menendez was the only passenger. The flights largely brought Menendez from New Jersey and Washington down to the Dominican Republic, where Melgen owned a Caribbean Villa (as it's described in the indictment).
One time, Melgen paid for a flight to Punta Cana for a wedding, where he also set Menendez and a guest up in a two-bedroom suite shared with Melgen and his wife, free of charge.

In 2013, after word of the federal investigation became public, Menendez paid back Melgen $58,000 for the 2010 plane trips calling his failure to properly disclose the flights an "oversight."

THE FUNDRAISING

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150402191717-menendez-melgen-fundraising-exlarge-169.png

"Don't worry. We will take care of it."

That was the response from a Melgen associate to a request from a Menendez aide for contributions to support the senator.

In an email sent in April 2012 to a Melgen aide, a Menendez staffer outlined requests for at least $60,000 in donations to entities benefitting Menendez. The staffer said he "humbly wanted to put a big ask" before Melgen, requesting the doctor and his family members contribute a total of $40,000 to the New Jersey Democratic State Committee Victory Federal Account, which would support Menendez and other New Jersey Democrats locked in re-election fights.

Melgen's personal assistant, identified in the indictment only as "Person A" responded: "Regarding your request ... don't worry. We will take care of it. Dr. Melgen will be calling you tomorrow to speak further."

On May 16, 2012, Melgen and his wife contributed $20,000 each to the New Jersey Democratic State Committee Victory Fund and the legal fund for Menendez, and Melgen's daughter and her husband contributed another $20,000 to the N.J. Democratic Party fund. Melgen appeared to reimburse his daughter with a $20,000 check issued from his ophthalmology practice that same day.

More than $750,000

That's the amount, according to the indictment, that Melgen gave — through his family and business — to entities supporting Menendez's re-election effort in 2012.

Of that, $143,500 went to New Jersey State and County Democratic Party entities. Melgen also contributed approximately $600,000 to Majority PAC, a super PAC backing Democratic Senate candidates and incumbents, in two contributions of $300,000. Both of which were earmarked for the New Jersey Senate race — in which Menendez was the only Democratic contender.

THE BUSINESSES

"Who has the best juice at CMS and Dept of Health"?

That was something Menendez tried to determine when intervening on Melgen's behalf in a Medicare reimbursement dispute, according to an email he sent to a staffer that was included in the indictment — and the senator ended up speaking to the top officials at both the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and the Department of Health and Human Services about the issue.

The indictment outlines a multi-year battle between Melgen and federal health officials over $8.98 million he was alleged to have over-billed Medicare for a drug he used in his ophthalmology practice.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/04/02/politics/menendez-indictment-takeaways/index.html



Despite media innuendos, there is also no confirmed proof that Kushner-Trump team pulled strings behind the scene to get one of AIPAC's favorite senators out of corruption trial because Kushner, Trump's largest donor and this senator all have special ties to Israeli PM Netanyahu.





https://theintercept.imgix.net/wp-uploads/sites/1/2018/06/men-1528115098.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&q=90


Judge dismisses all charges against Sen. Menendez following request from prosecutors

The Justice Department on Jan. 31, 2018 asked a judge to drop bribery charges against Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-departments-seeks-to-toss-out-charges-against-sen-menendez/2018/01/31/19a3094c-06a8-11e8-b48c-b07fea957bd5_story.html



Could Menendez Trial Tip Senate To Trump — Or Cost AIPAC A Pro-Israel Vote?

The political future of one of Israel’s staunchest supporters is on the line in a New Jersey courtroom — along with the political power balance in the U.S. Senate.
https://forward.com/news/national/380968/could-menendez-trial-tip-senate-to-trump-or-cost-aipac-a-pro-israel-vote/






From:

A comedian says he prank-called Trump and Jared Kushner patched him through (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?523756-A-comedian-says-he-prank-called-Trump-and-Jared-Kushner-patched-him-through&)

[devil21]

^^^^^^
That didn't even mention the allegations of what Menendez was doing down in the Dominican Republic. That part is always glossed over.

[enhanced_deficit]

Wasn't aware of any other major details of this scandal besides what is mentioned in this CNN report. Will have to look it up from other sources.

[devil21]

Wasn't aware of any other major details of this scandal besides what is mentioned in this CNN report. Will have to look it up from other sources.

https://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2017/09/19/menendez-legal-team-wins-small-victory-114572

[enhanced_deficit]

https://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2017/09/19/menendez-legal-team-wins-small-victory-114572

Just tried to lookup past news on this, strange swampy stuff comes up.
Why would MAGA be proud of this guy? Two and two don't ad up.


Reports: N.J. Sen. Menendez Linked on Tape to Government Contract Scheme

Published September 28, 2006
Associated Press
In court papers filed in New Jersey in March, Oscar Sandoval said he was pressured in 1999 to hire a doctor Menendez preferred or he would risk losing $1 million in government contracts. Sandoval taped the 20-minute telephone call with Donald Scarinci, a longtime friend of Menendez who is also a powerful lawyer and has been a fundraiser for Menendez's campaign. Scarinci allegedly told Sandoval that Menendez would consider it "a favor" if the doctor, Vicente Ruiz, was hired, adding that Ruiz would offer him "protection." If not, Sandoval would risk losing psychiatric-services contracts at various facilities, including the Hudson County Jail.

If he did not hire Ruiz, Scarinci allegedly said "the law of the jungle" would be put into effect. Sandoval hired Ruiz.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/09...ct-scheme.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/09/28/reports-nj-sen-menendez-linked-on-tape-to-government-contract-scheme.html)


Trump tells prankster posing as liberal Dem Sen. Bob Menendez, 'We're proud of you' and 'Great job' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?523756-A-comedian-says-he-prank-called-Trump-and-Jared-Kushner-patched-him-through&p=6646636&viewfull=1#post6646636)


Melendez said he then got a call from the president.

"Hi Bob, how are you?" Trump said at the start of the conversation as posted on the podcast. "How are you? Congratulations on everything, we're proud of you. Congratulations, great job. You went through a tough, tough situation and I don’t think a very fair situation, but congratulations."

"Bob, let me just tell you, I want to be able to take care of the situation, every bit as much as anybody else," Trump says. "I think we can do the whole thing. You know, I have a good relationship with the party, you have a good relationship with the party. And I think we can do a real immigration bill."

[enhanced_deficit]

Help President Trump Drain The Swamp

https://teapartyorg.ning.com/photo/nancy-pelosi-swamp-creature (https://teapartyorg.ning.com/photo/nancy-pelosi-swamp-creature?)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/xd0v38RCJQ07U2Eq_Fdc5ZbE6Lzf7IG9ltCrrh5MQ31G1A8Nnm jmLm0beKUFobcH6n-NUhb7MHScOrBa6xhw0dPFYmgrjYQYRcsrDNFqPf5Nwnwojwz-x5xgy_1teYX1lCAS1d3r05P8VfeQXXb_9I3mQUvygBli5h5Per SiRbxQPMlQ7nmW8sNeR1euGIMTcD3vdLi6DsFK-x9FLYTyFSzxIWtZWgdLV0Rppi5X-BnGfABxBrYi3b195xGsr4l30QhBpcWmh4dP5Q=s0-d






Trump: ‘I Like Nancy Pelosi’ and Will Help Her Win Race for Speaker (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528483-Trump-‘I-Like-Nancy-Pelosi’-and-Will-Help-Her-Win-Race-for-Speaker&)

[TheTexan]

Despite what may have been the public definition of "swamp" during election season, the private definition was narrow.

http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/barack-obama-hillary-clinton-hug-photoshop-battle-56.jpg

Could they be the next power couple?

Is this the end for Michelle ??!

I see good things in the future for Obillary!!

[enhanced_deficit]

Could they be the next power couple?


I see good things in the future for Obillary!!

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/president-barack-obama-kisses-us-house-speaker-nancy-pelosi-after-picture-id525640484?k=6&m=525640484&s=612x612&w=0&h=ZtZQCOow66XTE5_nSUXJthP4BUyfagRJy0F1VIWVVnY=



Hillary Also Loves This Country (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528188-Trump-quot-Nancy-Pelosi-loves-this-country-quot&p=6704819&viewfull=1#post6704819).

But that is sort of old news now, this is going to be the next power couple (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528188-Trump-quot-Nancy-Pelosi-loves-this-country-quot&p=6704819&viewfull=1#post6704819):

https://i1.wp.com/truepundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/President-elect_Donald_J._Trump_and_House_Minority_Leader_Na ncy_Pelosi_January_20_2017-1.jpg?fit=3468%2C2447&ssl=1