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Brian4Liberty
12-12-2016, 09:19 PM
Will Trump Defy McCain & Marco? (http://buchanan.org/blog/will-trump-defy-mccain-marco-126173)
By Patrick J. Buchanan - Monday - December 12, 2016


When word leaked that Exxon CEO Rex Tillerson, a holder of the Order of Friendship award in Putin’s Russia, was Donald Trump’s choice for secretary of state, John McCain had this thoughtful response:

“Vladimir Putin is a thug, a bully, and a murderer and anybody else who describes him as anything else is lying.”

Yet, Putin is something else, the leader of the largest nation on earth, a great power with enough nuclear weapons to wipe the United States off the face of the earth. And we have to deal with him.

McCain was echoed by the senior Democrat on foreign relations, Bob Menendez, who said naming Tillerson secretary of state would be “alarming and absurd … guaranteeing Russia has a willing accomplice in the (Trump) Cabinet guiding our nation’s foreign policy.”

Sen Marco Rubio chimed in: “Being a ‘friend of Vladimir’ is not an attribute I am hoping for from a Secretary of State.”

If just three GOP senators vote no on Tillerson, and Democrats vote as a bloc against him, his nomination would go down. President Trump would sustain a major and humiliating defeat.
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And here is the heart of the objection to Tillerson. He wants to end sanctions and partner with Putin’s Russia, as does Trump. But among many in the mainstream media, think tanks, websites, and on the Hill, this is craven appeasement. For such as these, the Cold War is never over.

The attacks on Tillerson coincide with new attacks on Russia, based on CIA sources, alleging that not only did Moscow hack into the Democratic Party and Clinton campaign, and leak what it found to hurt Hillary Clinton, but Russia was trying to help elect Trump, and succeeded.
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Backed by Democratic leader Sen. Chuck Schumer, McCain has announced an investigation. The goal, said the Times, is to determine “whether anyone within Trump’s inner circle coordinated with the Kremlin and whether Moscow spread fake news to hurt Mrs. Clinton.”

What is going on here? More than meets the eye.
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Behind the effort to smear Tillerson and delegitimize Trump lies a larger motive. Trump has antagonists in both parties who alarmed at his triumph because it imperils the foreign policy agenda that is their raison d’etre, their reason for being.

These people do not want to lift sanctions on Moscow. They do not want an end to the confrontation with Russia. As is seen by their bringing in tiny Montenegro, they want to enlarge NATO to encompass Sweden, Finland, Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova.

They have in mind the permanent U.S. encirclement of Russia.

They want to provide offensive weapons to Kiev to reignite the civil war in the Donbass and enable Ukraine to move on Crimea. This would mean a war with Russia that Ukraine would lose and we and our NATO allies would be called upon to intervene in and fight.

Their goal is to bring down Putin and bring about “regime change” in Moscow.

In the campaign, Trump said he wanted to get along with Russia, to support all the forces inside Syria and Iraq fighting to wipe out ISIS and al-Qaida, and to stay out of any new Middle East wars — like the disaster in Iraq — that have cost us “six trillion dollars.”

This is what America voted for when it voted for Trump — to put America First and “make America great again.” But War Party agitators are already beating the drums for confrontation with Iran.
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More: http://buchanan.org/blog/will-trump-defy-mccain-marco-126173

Seraphim
12-12-2016, 09:46 PM
Sometimes I wish John McCain would speak less...he did however do a good job bringing up that daughter of his, Meghan.

I think a life time of being in war (POW), in legislature and in that environment has taken some of his legit conservative values and added a lair of neocon hawkishness that I hope the world soon glosses over.

Jamesiv1
12-12-2016, 09:50 PM
I like Pat Buchanan. His insight runs deep.

Origanalist
12-12-2016, 10:03 PM
Sometimes I wish John McCain would speak less...he did however do a good job bringing up that daughter of his, Meghan.

I think a life time of being in war (POW), in legislature and in that environment has taken some of his legit conservative values and added a lair of neocon hawkishness that I hope the world soon glosses over.

Ha ha?? :confused:

Seraphim
12-12-2016, 10:05 PM
Ha ha?? :confused:

Care to expand a little?

Origanalist
12-12-2016, 10:06 PM
Care to expand a little?

Sure. Was that meant to be funny? Please tell me it was.

Seraphim
12-12-2016, 10:07 PM
I like Pat Buchanan. His insight runs deep.

Agreed.

Seraphim
12-12-2016, 10:07 PM
Sure. Was that meant to be funny? Please tell me it was.

No.

I wish McCain would shut his mouth. I like his daughter.

Jokes on me?

Origanalist
12-12-2016, 10:10 PM
No.

I wish McCain would shut his mouth. I like his daughter.

Jokes on me?

Well, his daughter is dumb as a box of rocks. And why are you making excuses for that piece of shit? His treachery will not be soon glossed over, your good wishes notwithstanding.

CPUd
12-12-2016, 10:12 PM
I LOL'd

Seraphim
12-12-2016, 10:13 PM
Well, his daughter is dumb as a box of rocks. And why are you making excuses for that piece of $#@!? His treachery will not be soon glossed over, your good wishes notwithstanding.

I don't find her dumb.

I meant the whole ideology of neocon war hawkishness ought to be phased out. Meaning ended.

Origanalist
12-12-2016, 10:15 PM
I don't find her dumb.

I meant the whole ideology of neocon war hawkishness ought to be phased out. Meaning ended.

McCain dying would help facilitate that greatly. And boobs have that effect on most men, don't feel too badly.

Seraphim
12-12-2016, 10:17 PM
McCain dying would help facilitate that greatly. And boobs have that effect on most men, don't feel too badly.

You shouldn't deflect your inability to handle boobs onto me.

Origanalist
12-12-2016, 10:19 PM
You shouldn't deflect your inability to handle boobs onto me.

I'm not the one thinks she's not dumb as a box of rocks, sorry Charlie. Her boobs have no effect on me.

TheCount
12-12-2016, 11:51 PM
I meant the whole ideology of neocon war hawkishness ought to be phased out. Meaning ended.How do you reconcile that with your Trump support? He and the neocons only disagree on one country (because reasons), other than that he's just as hawkish as they are.

UWDude
12-13-2016, 12:25 AM
How do you reconcile that with your Trump support? He and the neocons only disagree on one country (because reasons), other than that he's just as hawkish as they are.

Just one, eh?

nikcers
12-13-2016, 04:53 AM
How do you reconcile that with your Trump support? He and the neocons only disagree on one country (because reasons), other than that he's just as hawkish as they are. I think Trump probably wants regime change in Russia, he just thinks he can get there through Iran. I don't think the neocons disagree, I think the democrats did because they made a deal with the current Iran regime. The current Iran regime is anti Israel so that's why Trump wants to get rid of them, and I think Putin is banking on us destroying the dollar, raising the price of oil through inflation. This will make the oil companies happy and the banks happy. Russia has a longstanding agreement to defend Iran, but they probably want to install their own puppet. I am pretty sure the neocons acting like they are anti Trump is just political theater, nothing more than WWE. Otherwise he would announce that he wouldn't have any neocons on his cabinet.

AZJoe
12-14-2016, 02:42 PM
Marco and McCain prove once again that they are nuts. They are upset because the highest ranking diplomat, Secretary of State, previously received the "Order of Friendship of Peoples Award." That sounds like an award all our diplomats should strive for.

Other notable recipients of the Order of Friendship of Peoples Award include:
· David Blatt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Blatt), basketball coach
· Honourable Jean Chrétien (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Chr%C3%A9tien), PC, OM, CC, QC, former Prime Minister of Canada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_Canada)
· Dimitris Christofias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitris_Christofias), President of Cyprus
· Adrienne Clarkson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrienne_Clarkson), Governor General of Canada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_General_of_Canada)
· Van Cliburn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Cliburn), renowned pianist (USA)
· Patricia Cloherty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricia_Cloherty), entrepreneur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrepreneur) and businesswoman (USA)
· Frank De Winne (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_De_Winne), ESA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESA) astronaut (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronaut) and head of the European Astronaut Centre (Belgium)
· Maurice Druon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Druon), writer (France)
· Ignatius IV of Antioch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_IV_of_Antioch) (Hazim), patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Christian Church
· Daisaku Ikeda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisaku_Ikeda), president of Soka Gakkai International (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soka_Gakkai_International) (Japan)
· Jayakanthan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayakanthan), Tamil writer (India), 2011
· Raymond E. Johnson (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Raymond_E._Johnson_(businessman)&action=edit&redlink=1), founder of the Museum of Russian Art (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Museum_of_Russian_Art) in Minneapolis (USA)
· Moshe Kantor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Kantor), president of the European Jewish Congress
· Anatoly Karpov (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karpov), chess player
· André Kuipers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9_Kuipers), ESA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESA) astronaut (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronaut) (Netherlands)
· Lee Kuan Yew (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Kuan_Yew), Minister Mentor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_Mentor) of Singapore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore)
· John Middleton-Tidwell, a historian of Russian-American studies(USA)
· Riccardo Muti (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riccardo_Muti), conductor (Italy)
· Oscar Niemeyer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Niemeyer), renowned architect (Brazil)
· Constantine Orbelian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_Orbelian), conductor and pianist, 2012 Medal Recipient
· Richard Pierce (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pierce_(historian)), a historian of Russian-American studies (USA)
· A. Sivathanu Pillai (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._Sivathanu_Pillai), BrahMos chief (India)
· Marcel Prud'homme (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_Prud%27homme), Senator (Canada)
· Jacques Rogge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Rogge), 8th President of the International Olympic Committee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Olympic_Committee) (Belgium)
· Mrinal Sen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrinal_Sen), film director (India)
· Dimitris Sioufas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitris_Sioufas), legislator (Greece)
· Barbara Sweetland Smith, a historian of Russian-American studies (USA)
· Dario Salas Sommer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dario_Salas_Sommer), Chilean philosopher
· Ramayahi Shanmugam Sundar, director of the Koodankulam Nuclear Power Plant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koodankulam_Nuclear_Power_Plant) (India)
· James W. Symington (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_W._Symington), a former member of the U.S. House of Representatives (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._House_of_Representatives) and current attorney at Nossaman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nossaman) LLP/O'Connor & Hannan (USA)
· Andrzej Wajda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrzej_Wajda), film director (Poland)
· Rowan Williams (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rowan_Williams), Archbishop of Canterbury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archbishop_of_Canterbury), (UK)
· Tatjana Ždanoka (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatjana_%C5%BDdanoka), politician (Latvia)

CPUd
12-14-2016, 02:50 PM
807962818272235521
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/807962818272235521

AZJoe
12-14-2016, 02:59 PM
807962818272235521
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/807962818272235521


Proving once again Cpud's quoted neocon spokesman Marco is nuts. But, Marco of course would like to be a friend to the head-chopping Saudi dictatorship committing genocide in Yemen, the Washington supported Wahhabist "moderate" terrorists destroying Syria, and the mad Hitlary Clinton destroyer of Libya, cheerleader of death.

CPUd
12-14-2016, 03:01 PM
808716894161276928
https://twitter.com/mawilner/status/808716894161276928

Schifference
12-14-2016, 03:06 PM
Do you think McCain, Rubio, or Obama for that matter would be honored to receive the "Order of Friendship of Peoples Award"?

pao
12-14-2016, 03:13 PM
Proving once again Cpud's quoted neocon spokesman Marco is nuts. But, Marco of course would like to be a friend to the head-chopping Saudi dictatorship committing genocide in Yemen, the Washington supported Wahhabist "moderate" terrorists destroying Syria, and the mad Hitlary Clinton destroyer of Libya, cheerleader of death.

This would make a perfect response on his Twitter feed, broken into however many tweets as necessary.

AZJoe
12-14-2016, 03:20 PM
https://twitter.com/mawilner/status/808716894161276928

Silly Cpud, Wilner's editing did not last long. Its still there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Tillerson

CPUd
12-14-2016, 03:21 PM
809007470756659200
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/809007470756659200

nobody's_hero
12-14-2016, 06:55 PM
Oh noes! People are friends with Russians?!