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Brian4Liberty
12-09-2016, 10:02 PM
Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html)
By Adam Entous, Ellen Nakashima and Greg Miller - December 9


The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, according to officials briefed on the matter.

Intelligence agencies have identified individuals with connections to the Russian government who provided WikiLeaks with thousands of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and others, including Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, according to U.S. officials. Those officials described the individuals as actors known to the intelligence community and part of a wider Russian operation to boost Trump and hurt Clinton’s chances.

“It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected,” said a senior U.S. official briefed on an intelligence presentation made to U.S. senators. “That’s the consensus view.”
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More: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html

Brian4Liberty
12-09-2016, 10:04 PM
Unnamed officials, consensus view, seems legit.

Jamesiv1
12-09-2016, 10:10 PM
lol

If true, Russia is screwing up because they haven't surrounded the US with military bases - for the children.

oyarde
12-09-2016, 10:25 PM
It was really Olbermann who is a double agent , CIA / KGB .

phill4paul
12-09-2016, 10:26 PM
If we should trust anybody it should be the CIA. They were Constitutionally created and such.

Son_of_Liberty90
12-09-2016, 10:29 PM
CIA official prepping to speak on Capitol Hill: "Alright, let me just pull this analysis out of my ass..."

Contumacious
12-09-2016, 10:33 PM
Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html)
By Adam Entous, Ellen Nakashima and Greg Miller - December 9

I can understand Russia being concerned about Hillary when she was determined to start WWIII in order to intervene in Syria to defend Isral.


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oyarde
12-09-2016, 10:39 PM
The Dems are disturbed because they expected to win and thought if there was election meddling it was only by them and homeland security . They forgot about the people .

enhanced_deficit
12-09-2016, 10:40 PM
There seems to be sudden escalation on this front, what is neocons game here?
Yesterday controversial neocons tool Elija Cummings (sic?) was on Morning Joe stressing that full 17 agencies had concluded same.

Is this revenge for ISIS being routed out of suddenly in Aleppo after news of Trump win... Trump did something to offend neocons ... or something else?



Secret CIA assessment says...




As opposed to public assessment that did not find its way to be leaked to WaPo?

Hopefully , like Hillary they don't have dual public and private positioning system.





Related

WaPo wrote 27 editorials supporting Iraq invasion

Fake Intelligence on Iraq WMDs to cultivate public opinion for neocons' War

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Powell_anthrax_jbc.jpg
Colin Powell addresses the UN Security Council on the eve of the Iraq War, February 2003. Seated behind Powell are CIA Director George Tenet and Ambassador John Negroponte.

Democrats Presidential candidate had proposed election rigging in a foreign country (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?503001-End-of-Hillary-2016-After-Hillary-tape-bombshell-White-Women-will-be-leaving-her)


Public DIY assessment says Media was trying to help Hillary win White House (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?505207-Public-DIY-assessment-says-Media-was-trying-to-help-Hillary-win-White-House&)

oyarde
12-09-2016, 10:55 PM
There seems to be sudden escalation on this front, what is neocons game here?
Yesterday controversial neocons tool Elija Cummings (sic?) was on Morning Joe stressing that full 17 agencies had concluded same.

Is this revenge for ISIS being routed out of suddenly in Aleppo after news of Trump win... Trump did something to offend neocons ... or something else?





As opposed to public assessment that did not find its way to be leaked to WaPo?

Hopefully , like Hillary they don't have dual public and private positioning system.





Related

WaPo wrote 27 editorials supporting Iraq invasion

Fake Intelligence on Iraq WMDs to cultivate public opinion for neocons' War

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Powell_anthrax_jbc.jpg
Colin Powell addresses the UN Security Council on the eve of the Iraq War, February 2003. Seated behind Powell are CIA Director George Tenet and Ambassador John Negroponte.

Cummings , LOL . What a jackass.

nikcers
12-09-2016, 11:06 PM
Looks like the CIA is coming for Trump. I thought it was funny the CIA ran someone for president and tried to claim he was the true conservative running to stop a dictator. They always want to muddy the waters and hoped to siphon the never Trumps in key battleground states. Nevertrumps disappeared when Trump brought out his drain the swamp rhetoric but now that Trump is making the swamp great again I don't think there will be much opposition.

The scariest part of this whole thing is people still have this rationalization to hate Trump and it even gets pushed onto his isupporterrs and the media cultivated anger during the election season. I am terrified of what people will think is acceptable to do and treat Trump supporters if he ends up destroying our country.

pcosmar
12-09-2016, 11:14 PM
CIA is fake News.

Operation Mockingbird is not a conspiracy theory.
it is historic precedent.

oyarde
12-09-2016, 11:17 PM
Pete is correct cia is fake news , always has been.

enhanced_deficit
12-09-2016, 11:31 PM
Could it be you guys are being too tough on current administration. If a foreign country does freedom hating propaganda , what is the big deal if the good guys in our gummit and friendly media do just a little bit of their own propaganda as a counter measure?

It takes two to tango.

Senate Passes Major Portman-Murphy Counter-Propaganda Bill as Part of NDAA (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?505189-Senate-Passes-Major-Portman-Murphy-Counter-Propaganda-Bill-as-Part-of-NDAA&)

Yesterday, 09:59 PM

Dr.3D
12-10-2016, 12:29 AM
If it's such a secret, why are we hearing about it?

enhanced_deficit
12-10-2016, 12:38 AM
If it's such a secret, why are we hearing about it?

Such irresponsible comments interfere with national secrets safety.

anaconda
12-10-2016, 12:48 AM
Hypothetically, would a stateside money bomb for Putin be illegal for any reason?

anaconda
12-10-2016, 12:48 AM
If it's such a secret, why are we hearing about it?

People here can keep a secret.

CPUd
12-10-2016, 12:51 AM
807415136579362817
https://twitter.com/MoElleithee/status/807415136579362817

enhanced_deficit
12-10-2016, 01:00 AM
807415136579362817
https://twitter.com/MoElleithee/status/807415136579362817

"Has just"..?
He has been calling at least segements of those agencies to be political for a while.

Won't be too surprised if he called on families of troops killed in Iraq to sue (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?486352-Trump-Families-Of-Soldiers-Killed-In-Iraq-Should-Sue-NYT-For-WMD-Reporting-US-made-Iraq-mess&) "intel agencies" over fake WMD reports if that was possible under current laws.

CPUd
12-10-2016, 01:05 AM
807443599189151744
https://twitter.com/goddamnedfrank/status/807443599189151744

enhanced_deficit
12-10-2016, 01:12 AM
CIA official prepping to speak on Capitol Hill: "Alright, let me just pull this analysis out of my ass..."

This post should not be read before today's other major headline.

Obama orders 'deep dive' of election-related hacking (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?505168-Obama-questions-the-integrity-of-elections&)

CPUd
12-10-2016, 01:14 AM
807453331069276160
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/807453331069276160

timosman
12-10-2016, 01:58 AM
Pete is correct cia is fake news , always has been.

C'mon, sometimes the news were not entirely fake.:cool:

eleganz
12-10-2016, 02:24 AM
This 100% implicates Tucker Carlson as a Russian agent. Case solved.

timosman
12-10-2016, 02:43 AM
This 100% implicates Tucker Carlson as a Russian agent. Case solved.

Thank you for your effort comrade. With the intensity we can put on the other side we will be right in no time!

UWDude
12-10-2016, 03:16 AM
Sounds like their CIA assessment came from Propornot. (http://www.propornot.com/p/home.html)

Dangergirl
12-10-2016, 03:25 AM
The part I don't get about this deflection is that I'm supposed to be more alarmed about Russia hacking e-mails then Podesta's unholy relationship with pizza. They never disavow the contents of the e-mails. It's like having the dog drag out your embarrassing fetish paraphernalia during the holiday dinner and calling the dog bad. It's a sick sense of diversion.

Jamesiv1
12-10-2016, 04:25 AM
I am terrified of what people will think is acceptable to do and treat Trump supporters if he ends up destroying our country.
If he ends up destroying our country, the media will applaud and say he's the best president we've ever had. Make him Man of the Year and give him a Nobel Peace Prize.

Is that what you mean?

AZJoe
12-10-2016, 04:40 AM
http://russia-insider.com/sites/insider/files/field/image/1597d.jpg
https://politicalfilm.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/logo_-_cia_propaganda.jpghttps://i.ytimg.com/vi/wfQ6wYiGQak/hqdefault.jpg http://ciamedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/ciamedia-logo-negative.png

AZJoe
12-10-2016, 04:41 AM
New CIA Times and the CIAstream Media was in overdrive.
CIA thought they had this election in the bag.
And they would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those pesky voters and
their independent journalists and news sources.

CPUd
12-10-2016, 05:39 AM
https://i.imgur.com/uLPmEfN.png

KEEF
12-10-2016, 05:40 AM
New CIA Times and the CIAstream Media was in overdrive.
CIA thought they had this election in the bag.
And they would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those pesky voters and
their independent journalists and news sources.
Someone + rep this guy... I love the Scooby Doo reference. Takes me back to my childhood, and I am out of reps.

AZJoe
12-10-2016, 05:49 AM
https://i.imgur.com/uLPmEfN.png

Figures Cpud would be lock step in line with the Ministry of Propaganda like a good little obedient sheeple.

Don't be a Cpud. Instead be this guy:
http://pitsirikos.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/August-Landmesser1.jpg

CPUd
12-10-2016, 05:53 AM
807439815696379904
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/807439815696379904

https://i.imgur.com/uZMH4Kr.jpg

UWDude
12-10-2016, 05:53 AM
I am terrified of what people will think is acceptable to do and treat Trump supporters if he ends up destroying our country.

You mean thrilled?

You think you will be controlling the narrative? You think your media will be controlling the narrative of who "destroyed this country"?

You still think words are the ultimate power, don't you?

Trump supporters will do just fine. They are already accused of destroying the country, and he isn't even president yet.

Jamesiv1
12-10-2016, 06:11 AM
807439815696379904
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/807439815696379904

https://i.imgur.com/uZMH4Kr.jpg
Damn Russkies!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q899D06W53k&t=2m46s
start at 2:45

Schifference
12-10-2016, 06:25 AM
Does a hack or source of a hack make the emails invalid?

Jamesiv1
12-10-2016, 06:31 AM
Does a hack or source of a hack make the emails invalid?
^^good question

Schifference
12-10-2016, 06:48 AM
The person that generates the lie or deceit is held blameless. Go after the organization that reports what they uncover.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMpqImAjel4

DisneyFan
12-10-2016, 07:11 AM
Hillary was the CIA's choice for President. There are, of course, all the conspiracy theories involving drug trafficking and Arkansas, but just sticking to 100% confirmed reality, the CIA culturally is VERY Democrat.

Anyway, all of this nonsense is designed to do one thing - make long-term peace with Russia impossible. I don't think they'll actually push to block Trump from getting the WH. That would lead to open revolt by the right and a brutal response from Big Gov. I could be wrong, but I don't think TPTB are ready yet to kill millions of Americans. That crackdown will come later once the State has become even stronger. For now, what they are trying to do is to make Trump so extremely unpopular and make the idea of Trump=Russia so strong in peoples' heads that it'll be politically impossible for him to make deals with Russia and he'll have to prove that he isn't their puppet by standing up to Putin even when the situation doesn't merit it.

It's evil and it's genius.

jmdrake
12-10-2016, 07:38 AM
If it's such a secret, why are we hearing about it?

Don't you understand how it works? The evidence is secret. The conclusions are public. That way you can not fact check trust the conclusions.

oyarde
12-10-2016, 09:00 AM
If he ends up destroying our country, the media will applaud and say he's the best president we've ever had. Make him Man of the Year and give him a Nobel Peace Prize.

Is that what you mean?
I bet two bucks he does not get a Peace Prize.

Jamesiv1
12-10-2016, 09:03 AM
I bet two bucks he does not get a Peace Prize.
I'll take that bet as long as we pretend it's 1980 when the currency exchange takes place.

AZJoe
12-10-2016, 10:49 AM
Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html)
By Adam Entous, Ellen Nakashima and Greg Miller - December 9

And of course the "secret" asessment was reported by the fake news Washington Post no less.

AZJoe
12-10-2016, 11:03 AM
Isn't it just a little peculiar that we get this CIA "secret" assessment comprised solely of accusations and no evidence from the Washington Post Fake News - you know the same fake news source that brought us the laughably front page story that all alternative news sites that have been critical of Washington policy are actually a sophisticated network of Russian propaganda agents. [Me Thinks the WaPo doth protest Too Much!]

And yet not a whimper of a peep of concern about the openly known confirmable facts of foreign interference in US politics such as the outlandish donations by foreign governments to the Clinton Foundation, or lobbying groups such as AIPAC directly lobbying US politicians on behalf of a foreign government.

http://www.rightwinggranny.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/ClintonFoundationDonations.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/The-israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy.jpg

AZJoe
12-10-2016, 11:11 AM
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CPUd
12-10-2016, 11:18 AM
807597834346385408
https://twitter.com/JohnCornyn/status/807597834346385408

oyarde
12-10-2016, 11:23 AM
Disband the CIA . Waive the fee for them to give up citizenship.

Jamesiv1
12-10-2016, 11:26 AM
807606635212345348
ouch. lol

nikcers
12-10-2016, 11:34 AM
Here's the thing, I can't buy the whole we deserve a taste of our medicine because it was our unelected officials fucking with foreign elections not the government or a lot of innocent people who want to believe in something bigger than themselves. I was pretty pro Putin until this shit came out, if it was noble for Russia to save us from Clinton, you are also saying its noble for Russia to save us from Rand Paul. Russia meddled with the primary too, and with them and the media it was completely rigged. I don't need Putin to come in on his horse and save us from a democratically elected official.

AZJoe
12-10-2016, 11:34 AM
From Target Liberty:


"The key player is retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn, who Trump has picked to be his National Security Adviser. … Flynn is a problem for the CIA. In 2014, he was forced out of his position as Defense Intelligence Agency director, no doubt with a push from the CIA. … Now with Flynn's men all over Trump's incoming administration, it is a real problem for the CIA. …

The CIA is fighting for its life---the only way it knows how by destabilization (well, that is one way they know how to change a regime). The "Russia influencing elections" story was well timed. It will dominate news talk shows this Sunday. It is designed to influence members of the electoral college to flip and not cast their votes for Trump. The electoral college vote takes place on December 19."

Jamesiv1
12-10-2016, 11:39 AM
From Target Liberty:

"The key player is retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn, who Trump has picked to be his National Security Adviser. … Flynn is a problem for the CIA. In 2014, he was forced out of his position as Defense Intelligence Agency director, no doubt with a push from the CIA. … Now with Flynn's men all over Trump's incoming administration, it is a real problem for the CIA. …

The CIA is fighting for its life---the only way it knows how by destabilization (well, that is one way they know how to change a regime). The "Russia influencing elections" story was well timed. It will dominate news talk shows this Sunday. It is designed to influence members of the electoral college to flip and not cast their votes for Trump. The electoral college vote takes place on December 19."

Interesting.

Has anybody in the history of ever payed attention to the day the electors cast their votes?

I will be this time (Dec 19).

CPUd
12-10-2016, 11:39 AM
McConnell Covered Up CIA Reports That Russian Hacks Were Aimed At Electing Trump

According to a bombshell report from the Washington Post, the CIA concluded that Russia actively interfered in the election not just to destabilize our political system, but to actively elect Donald Trump.

This conclusion was not something they just pulled out of thin air. Intelligence agencies had arrived at their conclusion in September, and briefed a bipartisan group in the Senate and House about it then, along with President Obama. The President wanted to go forward with a full disclosure of the report, but Mitch McConnell quashed it, threatening to taint any disclosure with the claim that it was being made merely for political gain.

McConnell was willing to let the Russians meddle in the election because his guy was getting the benefit of their work. This is outrageous.

“It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected,” said a senior U.S. official briefed on an intelligence presentation made to U.S. senators. “That’s the consensus view.”

In other words, there was active interference on the part of Russia not simply to destabilize our politics, but to actively elect one candidate over another.

Concerned that a unilateral White House statement would appear as though the administration was tilting the election in favor of Democrats, the White House decided to convene a bipartisan panel of elected officials to review the material in the hopes of issuing a unified statement and warning states about possible compromises to their voting systems.

Instead, officials devised a plan to seek bipartisan support from top lawmakers and set up a secret meeting with the Gang of 12 — a group that includes House and Senate leaders, as well as the chairmen and ranking members of both chambers’ committees on intelligence and homeland security.

Look who they sent to that meeting:

Obama dispatched [Lisa] Monaco, FBI Director James B. Comey and Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson to make the pitch for a “show of solidarity and bipartisan unity” against Russian interference in the election, according to a senior administration official.

Specifically, the White House wanted congressional leaders to sign off on a bipartisan statement urging state and local officials to take federal help in protecting their voting-registration and balloting machines from Russian cyber-intrusions.

Yes, that's right. James Comey knew in September about the CIA's conclusions and was part of the team asked to make the pitch to elevate this issue to the American people on a bipartisan basis. In September. So, by the way, did Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who had a very specific response to the administration's appeal for bipartisanship.

The Democratic leaders in the room unanimously agreed on the need to take the threat seriously. Republicans, however, were divided, with at least two GOP lawmakers reluctant to accede to the White House requests.

According to several officials, McConnell raised doubts about the underlying intelligence and made clear to the administration that he would consider any effort by the White House to challenge the Russians publicly an act of partisan politics.

Shall we take a moment to allow that to sink in? Mitch McConnell, Senate Majority Leader, sworn to uphold and defend the United States Constitution, chose to threaten the White House with a smear if they disclosed this information to the American people.

What happened to defending against enemies, domestic and foreign, Senator McConnell? Is this treason?

What makes this really interesting is what we can see in the rear view mirror. The Trump campaign fought tooth and nail to end the Michigan recount, in a state where there is some evidence seals were broken on voting machines there.

We don't know if malware was installed on those machines. We do know many machines in Detroit malfunctioned on Election Day, however. But what we don't know is how that impacted the final counts in Michigan, mostly because they ended the recount.

Yes, we had reports of Russian hacks. We had daily dribbles from Wikileaks, clearly intended to drive a wedge between Bernie and Hillary supporters while painting Hillary Clinton as Satan in a pantsuit.

But there's more. There's always more. You may recall the day that Rep. Michael McCaul inadvertently slipped during an appearance on CNN and said the RNC was hacked by the Russians, too. (Click for video)

Of course, McCaul walked that back right away, claiming it was a misstatement, but now there's a problem. Apparently the RNC was hacked, but no information released. The only information released by hackers was from the DNC hack.

...
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/12/mitch-mcconnell-squelched-disclosure

timosman
12-10-2016, 11:41 AM
Here's the thing, I can't buy the whole we deserve a taste of our medicine because it was our unelected officials fucking with foreign elections not the government or a lot of innocent people who want to believe in something bigger than themselves. I was pretty pro Putin until this shit came out, if it was noble for Russia to save us from Clinton, you are also saying its noble for Russia to save us from Rand Paul. Russia meddled with the primary too, and with them and the media it was completely rigged. I don't need Putin to come in on his horse and save us from a democratically elected official.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOLpwEwVaQw

AZJoe
12-10-2016, 11:57 AM
The "secret" assessment is brought to you by the fake news Washington Post no less.
And the “secret” assessment is purportedly from the same source that:


Confirmed to us Iraq had WMDs
Assad was gassing his own people
Gaddafi was attacking his own civilians
Implemented torture as an official policy and then tried to destroy the evidence
Implemented Operation Mockingbird
That operates large scale drug smuggling for additional black ops funding
That lied under oath to Congress about NSA spying
That illegally kidnaps people in foreign countries (extraordinary renditions) and exports them to its
Maintained international network of foreign detention centers for its special interrogations
Has a long track record of illegal assassinations and attempted assassinations
And on and on

But hey, the CIA concluded something in secret and leaked its “secret” conclusions without evidence to the ever reliable fake news Washington Post to disseminate.

CIA recent memory lane:
https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10/anonymous-leaks-to-the-washpost-about-the-cias-russia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/

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CPUd
12-10-2016, 12:02 PM
https://i.imgur.com/mLswQwm.png

Jamesiv1
12-10-2016, 12:04 PM
McConnell Covered Up CIA Reports That Russian Hacks Were Aimed At Electing Trump

According to a bombshell report from the Washington Post,
/caring

Jamesiv1
12-10-2016, 12:06 PM
https://i.imgur.com/mLswQwm.png
Harry Reid... imagine that lol

timosman
12-10-2016, 12:07 PM
https://i.imgur.com/mLswQwm.png

FBI vs. CIA. FBI wins.:rolleyes:

AZJoe
12-10-2016, 12:10 PM
807606635212345348



From Target Liberty:
"The key player is retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn, who Trump has picked to be his National Security Adviser. … Flynn is a problem for the CIA. In 2014, he was forced out of his position as Defense Intelligence Agency director, no doubt with a push from the CIA. … Now with Flynn's men all over Trump's incoming administration, it is a real problem for the CIA. …

The CIA is fighting for its life---the only way it knows how by destabilization (well, that is one way they know how to change a regime). The "Russia influencing elections" story was well timed. It will dominate news talk shows this Sunday. It is designed to influence members of the electoral college to flip and not cast their votes for Trump. The electoral college vote takes place on December 19."


And this from Jason Ditz:
The CIA’s claims appear to dramatically undercut the rest of the government’s narrative, which includes a White House confirmation (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/26/us/politics/us-statement-on-reliability-of-election-results.html?_r=0) that there was no measurable increase in cyber activity around the election, nor any indication Russia had planned any malicious cyber activity for the US election.

That the allegations are coming out of the CIA at all is noteworthy, as the investigation into the allegations against Russia was carried out by the FBI, and all indications were that they had come up empty. With no evidence, the FBI was unwilling to issue any statements supporting the accusations.

The CIA offered no real evidence themselves, simply making some references to unnamed people involved in leaking data to WikiLeaks being somewhat close to the Russian government. WikiLeaks denied Russia was the source of the leaks long ago.
Indeed, that the CIA is not only suddenly involved, but suddenly at the forefront, may well reflect President-elect Trump’s stated policy intentions being far removed from those that the CIA has endorsed, (https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/12/09/unpacking-new-cia-leak-dont-ignore-aluminum-tube-footnote/) and might be done with an eye toward undermining Trump’s position in those upcoming policy battles.

At the center of those Trump vs. CIA battles is Syria, as the CIA has for years pushed to move away from the ISIS war and toward imposing regime change in Syria. Trump, by contrast, has said he intends to end the CIA-Saudi program arming the Syrian rebels, and focus on fighting ISIS. Trump was even said to be seeking to coordinate anti-ISIS operations with Russia. …
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/09/cia-claims-russia-intervened-to-get-trump-elected/

CPUd
12-10-2016, 12:16 PM
807641158746783745
https://twitter.com/MiriamElder/status/807641158746783745

Jamesiv1
12-10-2016, 12:26 PM
807641158746783745
https://twitter.com/MiriamElder/status/807641158746783745
fake news^

even if it weren't fake, wtf with all the hand-wringing? paybacks are a bitch lol

P3ter_Griffin
12-10-2016, 12:30 PM
Looks like the CIA is coming for Trump. I thought it was funny the CIA ran someone for president and tried to claim he was the true conservative running to stop a dictator. They always want to muddy the waters and hoped to siphon the never Trumps in key battleground states. Nevertrumps disappeared when Trump brought out his drain the swamp rhetoric but now that Trump is making the swamp great again I don't think there will be much opposition.

The scariest part of this whole thing is people still have this rationalization to hate Trump and it even gets pushed onto his isupporterrs and the media cultivated anger during the election season. I am terrified of what people will think is acceptable to do and treat Trump supporters if he ends up destroying our country.

Ha! Because the perps weapon was unloaded unbeknownst to them, does not mean you forgive them for pulling the trigger.

enhanced_deficit
12-10-2016, 01:01 PM
What will happen to XYZ Director after Trump takes charge?





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If this is confirmed, there should be a deep-dive investigation.

Overthrowing democratically elected governmets should be a big no-no.

CPUd
12-10-2016, 01:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erRf6CONfco

AZJoe
12-10-2016, 01:51 PM
Secret CIA Assessment Story About Russia Helping Trump is the ‘Fake News’ You’ve Been Warned About
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/secret-cia-assessment-story-about-russia-helping-trump-is-the-fake-news-youve-been-warned-about/

Acting once again as the de facto public propaganda mouthpiece for U.S. intelligence/deep state interests within the U.S. government, The Washington Post reported in a scurrilous piece of yellow journalism yesterday that “the CIA concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system.”

Make no mistake that this is the ‘Fake News’ the mainstream media has been warning the public about. … “the key claims are based exclusively on the unverified assertions of anonymous officials, who in turn are disseminating their own claims about what the CIA purportedly believes, all based on evidence that remains completely secret.”

The impetus behind the move is almost certainly to constrain Trump’s anticipated rapprochement with Russia by further tainting public perception of a U.S.-Russia reconciliation by intimating that Trump in some way won the U.S. presidency with the assistance of Russia — a continuation of a common theme of the Clinton campaign. …

It should be noted that Julian Assange himself said that the information released by WikiLeaks did not come from Russian sources. Many suspect that murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich was potentially behind the leaked information after WikiLeaks offered a reward of $20,000 for information leading to the arrest of Rich’s killer. …

The deep state bureaucracy is now attempting a last ditch effort to frame Russia in such a way in the American psyche, as to try and make it virtually impossible for Trump to work constructively with Vladimir Putin. …

This newest piece of neo-Red Scare propaganda, being pushed by the Post, comes on the heels of them just last week publishing a journalistically inept piece of likely state-produced propaganda. …

When the Washington Post Ran the CIA’s Propaganda Network, which discusses the connections between The Washington Post & Operation Mockingbird – a CIA program to infiltrate journalism began in the 50’s and still in operation today: …

Last week, the Washington Post published a scurrilous piece by a heretofore obscure technology reporter named Craig Timberg, alleging without the faintest evidence that Russian intelligence was using more than 200 independent news sites to pump out pro-Putin and anti-Clinton propaganda during the election campaign. … Timberg concocted his story based on allegations from a vaporous group called ProporNot, run by nameless individuals of unknown origin … ProporNot’s catalogue of supposed Putin-controlled outlets reeks of the McCarthyite smears of the Red Scare era. The blacklist includes some of the most esteemed alternative news sites on the web …

at the height of the Cold War the CIA developed it’s very own stable of writers, editors and publishers (swelling to as many as 3000 individuals) that it paid to scribble Agency propaganda under a program called Operation Mockingbird. The disinformation network was supervised by the late Philip Graham, former publisher of Timberg’s very own paper, the Washington Post.

Craig Timberg’s story, which was about as substantial as anonymous slurs scrawled on a bathroom stall …

This latest piece by The Washington Post, about a secret CIA assessment, is simply more of the same from the standard bearer of state-sponsored propaganda. …

The people pulling the strings from behind the scenes are upset that they were unable to control the narrative in the latest election, largely due to the coverage of WikiLeaks and the exposure of U.S. efforts to propagandize the American public into supporting an increased and active effort to utilize U.S. assets in the overthrow of the government of Bashar al-Assad in Syria …

What you see taking place regarding the ‘Evil Russia’ narrative being perpetuated by the Post is simply the deep state trying to reassert its dominance over U.S. foreign policy for fear that Trump will destroy the sacred cash cow of the military industrial complex – public fear of Russia.

Make no mistake that there is an information war taking place, and outlets like The Washington Post, as evidenced by the publishing of the PropOrNot article and this latest CIA propaganda piece are operating not as journalistic outlets, but as propagandists for deep state interests. …
Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/secret-cia-assessment-story-about-russia-helping-trump-is-the-fake-news-youve-been-warned-about/#glDDTOxVD8wg8wrS.99

CPUd
12-10-2016, 01:52 PM
807657210012717058
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/807657210012717058

Jamesiv1
12-10-2016, 02:02 PM
807657210012717058
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/807657210012717058
If getting along with Russia is the goal, this is one more proof Trump is making all the right moves.

Lucille
12-10-2016, 02:46 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzV6wpWUcAAdLDt.jpg

Jamesiv1
12-10-2016, 02:51 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzV6wpWUcAAdLDt.jpg
lol

Clinton and Company be like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEWWRbn4zG0

goldenequity
12-10-2016, 02:58 PM
NOT
an 'anonymous' source
an
Official Statement.

NYT: Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia (http://archive.is/JDwbf#selection-1901.0-1901.63)

http://archive.is/JDwbf/f2048447f5ff52aee4d739f5c2d8ff2f1f16e27b.jpg

RandallFan
12-10-2016, 03:23 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/09/trump-team-same-people-who-say-russia-meddled-in-election-said-iraq-had-wmds/

These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history. It’s now time to move on and ‘Make America Great Again,'” Trump’s transition team said in an unsigned statement.

Lucille
12-10-2016, 04:01 PM
lol

Clinton and Company be like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEWWRbn4zG0

LOL

I thought of the progs' anti-Russian hysteria recently when I saw these:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWKlHckWgh4

Except Calvin Webber is nice, and a more sympathetic character.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDYptU_Lv1I

Except Kenny Powers is smarter, and a more sympathetic character.

AZJoe
12-10-2016, 07:13 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzV6wpWUcAAdLDt.jpg

LOL!

CPUd
12-10-2016, 07:53 PM
807641582182735873
https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/807641582182735873


807698967664480256
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/807698967664480256

enhanced_deficit
12-10-2016, 08:35 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzV6wpWUcAAdLDt.jpg


Post like this throws a monkey wrench in a nicely laid out propaganda situation.
This discussion will never be same again.




Don't you understand how it works? The evidence is secret. The conclusions are public. That way you can not fact check trust the conclusions.

Trust the President and the Media.

But for the skeptics, an alternate public version has been introduced.

Public DIY assessment says Media was trying to help Hillary win White House (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?505207-Public-DIY-assessment-says-Media-was-trying-to-help-Hillary-win-White-House&)

euphemia
12-10-2016, 08:43 PM
And Saudi Arabia and whoever else was not trying to help Hillary Clinton? They gave her a truckload of money, for sure.

timosman
12-10-2016, 08:47 PM
And Saudi Arabia and whoever else was not trying to help Hillary Clinton? They gave her a truckload of money, for sure.

This point, albeit much more succinctly, has already been made by Lucille in post #70. :cool:

nikcers
12-10-2016, 08:50 PM
And Saudi Arabia and whoever else was not trying to help Hillary Clinton? They gave her a truckload of money, for sure. So it's perfectly okay that Russia has installed a possible brutal dictator because Clinton? Are we really going there again?

nikcers
12-10-2016, 08:54 PM
This point, albeit much more succinctly, has already been made by @Lucille (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=5822) in post #70. :cool: So multiple branches of government are now working together to lie to the united states public just so they can accuse Russia of an act of war? Are you really calling this a false flag? If this is a false flag then is their intent to stop Trump or start war with Russia?

staerker
12-10-2016, 09:31 PM
Please. "Officials briefed on the matter"? The Washington Post?

The American public has called the initial fake news bluff, so now they're going all in.

AZJoe
12-10-2016, 09:37 PM
So it's perfectly okay that Russia has installed a possible brutal dictator because Clinton? Are we really going there again?

Talk about being out in tinfoil hat lalaland. Come back to earth nikcers. It was the US electorate that, despite the best efforts of the MSM and CIA's preference, installed Trump (and in doing so rejected a psycho warmongering corrupt likely brutal dictator Hitalry Clinton.)

nikcers
12-10-2016, 09:48 PM
Talk about being out in tinfoil hat lalaland. Come back to earth nikcers. It was the US electorate that, despite the best efforts of the MSM and CIA's preference, installed Trump (and in doing so rejected a psycho warmongering corrupt likely brutal dictator Hitalry Clinton.) You Trump supporters have walked everything back from day one. How is Bolton even being considered? You don't even dare defend it because you are a chicken.

AZJoe
12-10-2016, 10:01 PM
You Trump supporters have walked everything back from day one. How is Bolton even being considered? You don't even dare defend it because you are a chicken.

Talk about irrational rantings. Yup, Bolton is horrible. Almost half as bad as Hitlary. (Thank god at least we aren't getting Hitlary's pick of Victoria Nuland). But what in the world has that got to do with nikcers' tinfoil hat theory that Russia installed the US President.

nikcers
12-10-2016, 10:08 PM
Talk about irrational rantings. Yup, Bolton is horrible. Almost half as bad as Hitlary. (Thank god at least we aren't getting Hitlary's pick of Victoria Nuland). But what in the world has that got to do with nikcers' tinfoil hat theory that Russia installed the US President. Bolton is half as bad as Hillary? There isn't a place Bolton doesn't want to bomb.

GunnyFreedom
12-10-2016, 10:26 PM
If it was the Russians, where do I send my letter of gratitude for ending Hillary?

GunnyFreedom
12-10-2016, 10:30 PM
I can understand Russia being concerned about Hillary when she was determined to start WWIII in order to intervene in Syria to defend Isral.


.

That's kinda how I'm taking it. If I were Russia I'd have wanted to stop that nuclear-packing witch too. I don't believe this, but even if I did I don't care. My understanding of personal philosophical morality is, if I were in their shoes and would have done the same thing, then I have no business judging them for it or being angry. So. :shrug:

AZJoe
12-10-2016, 10:50 PM
So multiple branches of government are now working together to lie to the united states public just so they can accuse Russia of an act of war? Are you really calling this a false flag? If this is a false flag then is their intent to stop Trump or start war with Russia?

With all the information available just on this thread, somebody is once again being intentionally willfully ignorant.

First the CIA "secret" assessment itself was not leaked - only anonymous claims about it which the WaPo ran with.

Second, the WaPO itself confirms in its Fake News Propaganda Story (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.2e858944e40a), there is not evidence that the Kremlin directed any hacking operation, obtaining e-mails that went to Wikileaks, thereby helping Trump and hurting Clinton in the election. Rather they allege it was mysterious hackers "one step" removed. To quote the article:
“…intelligence agencies do not have specific intelligence showing officials in the Kremlin ‘directing’ the identified individuals to pass the Democratic emails to WikiLeaks, a second senior U.S. official said. Those actors, according to the official, were ‘one step’ removed [which of course includes anyone] from the Russian government, rather than government employees. Moscow has in the past used middlemen to participate in sensitive intelligence operations so it has plausible deniability.”

In other words, WaPo has no evidence Russia "hacked" the Us elections, but WaPo is going to report it anyway.

Third, contrary to nikcers claim, its not "multiple branches of government. In fact, so far it is only WaPo making an unverified claim from anonymous source of a "secret" assessment by CIA without evidence.

Fourth, the WaPo allegations directly contradict White House's confirmation to the opposite. "CIA’s claims appear to dramatically undercut the rest of the government’s narrative, which includes a White House confirmation (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/26/us/politics/us-statement-on-reliability-of-election-results.html?_r=0) that there was no measurable increase in cyber activity around the election, nor any indication Russia had planned any malicious cyber activity for the US election."

Fifth, the WaPo allegation also directly contradict the investigation by the FBI: " That the allegations are coming out of the CIA at all is noteworthy, as the investigation into the allegations against Russia was carried out by the FBI, and all indications were that they had come up empty. With no evidence, the FBI was unwilling to issue any statements supporting the accusations.

The CIA offered no real evidence themselves, simply making some references to unnamed people involved in leaking data to WikiLeaks being somewhat close to the Russian government. WikiLeaks denied Russia was the source of the leaks long ago.

Indeed, that the CIA is not only suddenly involved, but suddenly at the forefront, may well reflect President-elect Trump’s stated policy intentions being far removed from those that the CIA has endorsed, (https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/12/09/unpacking-new-cia-leak-dont-ignore-aluminum-tube-footnote/) and might be done with an eye toward undermining Trump’s position in those upcoming policy battles. At the center of those Trump vs. CIA battles is Syria, as the CIA has for years pushed to move away from the ISIS war and toward imposing regime change in Syria. Trump, by contrast, has said he intends to end the CIA-Saudi program arming the Syrian rebels, and focus on fighting ISIS. Trump was even said to be seeking to coordinate anti-ISIS operations with Russia. …" http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/09/c...trump-elected/ (http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/09/cia-claims-russia-intervened-to-get-trump-elected/)

Sixth, Julian Assange has confirmed that Russia is not the source for Wikileaks emails. In fact, the evidence indicates the now murdered DNC Staffer Seth Rich was the source of the DNC emails to Wikileaks, for which Wikileaks is still offering a cash reward for any information leading to solving the assassination.

Seventh, it is highly improper for the US intelligence agency to attempt to directly interfere with a US election by directly leaking unsupported global reaching accusations to a news outlet for media hysteria.

Eighth, not a single bit of evidence has been provided, but hey, reality and facts are no barrier to nikcers. Embrace the lies right.

Lastly, even if the alleged "secret" CIA assessment were leaked (if it even exists), the CIA with its continuous long record of lies, disinformation, perjury under oath to Congress, history of direct interference in elections and governments, history of direct interference in msm, animosity to any non-interventionist or pro-peace foreign policy, has zero credibility at all.

More:

https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/12/10/evidence-prove-russian-hack/

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10/anonymous-leaks-to-the-washpost-about-the-cias-russia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/

https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/12/09/unpacking-new-cia-leak-dont-ignore-aluminum-tube-footnote/

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/secret-cia-assessment-story-about-russia-helping-trump-is-the-fake-news-youve-been-warned-about/

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/12/11/more-russia-bashing-over-nonexistent-cyberattacks.html

http://theduran.com/attempted-clinton-cia-coup-donald-trump/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-10/republicans-slam-cia-secret-soft-coup-report-what-proof-does-anyone-have-ive-heard-z

Danke
12-10-2016, 11:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erRf6CONfco


^^ not a Clinton backer, LOL

oyarde
12-10-2016, 11:37 PM
Trump needs to disband the CIA .

nikcers
12-10-2016, 11:49 PM
With all the information available just on this thread, somebody is once again being intentionally willfully ignorant.

First the CIA "secret" assessment itself was not leaked - only anonymous claims about it which the WaPo ran with.

Second, the WaPO itself confirms in its Fake News Propaganda Story (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.2e858944e40a), there is not evidence that the Kremlin directed any hacking operation, obtaining e-mails that went to Wikileaks, thereby helping Trump and hurting Clinton in the election. Rather they allege it was mysterious hackers "one step" removed. To quote the article:
“…intelligence agencies do not have specific intelligence showing officials in the Kremlin ‘directing’ the identified individuals to pass the Democratic emails to WikiLeaks, a second senior U.S. official said. Those actors, according to the official, were ‘one step’ removed [which of course includes anyone] from the Russian government, rather than government employees. Moscow has in the past used middlemen to participate in sensitive intelligence operations so it has plausible deniability.”

In other words, WaPo has no evidence Russia "hacked" the Us elections, but WaPo is going to report it anyway.

Third, contrary to nikcers claim, its not "multiple branches of government. In fact, so far it is only WaPo making an unverified claim from anonymous source of a "secret" assessment by CIA without evidence.

Fourth, the WaPo allegations directly contradict White House's confirmation to the opposite. "CIA’s claims appear to dramatically undercut the rest of the government’s narrative, which includes a White House confirmation (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/26/us/politics/us-statement-on-reliability-of-election-results.html?_r=0) that there was no measurable increase in cyber activity around the election, nor any indication Russia had planned any malicious cyber activity for the US election."

Fifth, the WaPo allegation also directly contradict the investigation by the FBI: " That the allegations are coming out of the CIA at all is noteworthy, as the investigation into the allegations against Russia was carried out by the FBI, and all indications were that they had come up empty. With no evidence, the FBI was unwilling to issue any statements supporting the accusations.

The CIA offered no real evidence themselves, simply making some references to unnamed people involved in leaking data to WikiLeaks being somewhat close to the Russian government. WikiLeaks denied Russia was the source of the leaks long ago.

Indeed, that the CIA is not only suddenly involved, but suddenly at the forefront, may well reflect President-elect Trump’s stated policy intentions being far removed from those that the CIA has endorsed, (https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/12/09/unpacking-new-cia-leak-dont-ignore-aluminum-tube-footnote/) and might be done with an eye toward undermining Trump’s position in those upcoming policy battles. At the center of those Trump vs. CIA battles is Syria, as the CIA has for years pushed to move away from the ISIS war and toward imposing regime change in Syria. Trump, by contrast, has said he intends to end the CIA-Saudi program arming the Syrian rebels, and focus on fighting ISIS. Trump was even said to be seeking to coordinate anti-ISIS operations with Russia. …" http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/09/c...trump-elected/ (http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/09/cia-claims-russia-intervened-to-get-trump-elected/)

Sixth, Julian Assange has confirmed that Russia is not the source for Wikileaks emails. In fact, the evidence indicates the now murdered DNC Staffer Seth Rich was the source of the DNC emails to Wikileaks, for which Wikileaks is still offering a cash reward for any information leading to solving the assassination.

Seventh, it is highly improper for the US intelligence agency to attempt to directly interfere with a US election by directly leaking unsupported global reaching accusations to a news outlet for media hysteria.

Eighth, not a single bit of evidence has been provided, but hey, reality and facts are no barrier to nikcers. Embrace the lies right.

Lastly, even if the alleged "secret" CIA assessment were leaked (if it even exists), the CIA with its continuous long record of lies, disinformation, perjury under oath to Congress, history of direct interference in elections and governments, history of direct interference in msm, animosity to any non-interventionist or pro-peace foreign policy, has zero credibility at all.

More:

https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/12/10/evidence-prove-russian-hack/

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10/anonymous-leaks-to-the-washpost-about-the-cias-russia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/

https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/12/09/unpacking-new-cia-leak-dont-ignore-aluminum-tube-footnote/

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/secret-cia-assessment-story-about-russia-helping-trump-is-the-fake-news-youve-been-warned-about/

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/12/11/more-russia-bashing-over-nonexistent-cyberattacks.html

http://theduran.com/attempted-clinton-cia-coup-donald-trump/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-10/republicans-slam-cia-secret-soft-coup-report-what-proof-does-anyone-have-ive-heard-z




JET FUEL CAN"T MELT STEEL BEAMS YOU CONSPIRACY THEORIST. -Look I understand you can't prove election fraud, if I had a way to prove that I could literally sell it for a trillion dollars. I don't believe that Putin is a good guy, I think he is a murdering scumbag. If you think Putin is such a good guy, who would never do anything to hurt the United States then you claim to know much more about the man then I do.

timosman
12-11-2016, 01:00 AM
JET FUEL CAN"T MELT STEEL BEAMS YOU CONSPIRACY THEORIST. -Look I understand you can't prove election fraud, if I had a way to prove that I could literally sell it for a trillion dollars. I don't believe that Putin is a good guy, I think he is a murdering scumbag. If you think Putin is such a good guy, who would never do anything to hurt the United States then you claim to know much more about the man then I do.

Dude, you are a better conspiracy theorist than most.:)

Danke
12-11-2016, 01:33 AM
JET FUEL CAN"T MELT STEEL BEAMS YOU CONSPIRACY THEORIST. -Look I understand you can't prove election fraud, if I had a way to prove that I could literally sell it for a trillion dollars. I don't believe that Putin is a good guy, I think he is a murdering scumbag. If you think Putin is such a good guy, who would never do anything to hurt the United States then you claim to know much more about the man then I do.

Did he say Putin is a "good guy?"

I think most here are skeptical of all of those who seek out offices that use state power. Some, like Ron Paul, wants to diminish the role of government in our lives.

CPUd
12-11-2016, 02:56 AM
Why Vladimir Putin’s Russia Is Backing Donald Trump


In phone calls, meetings and cables, America’s European allies have expressed alarm to one another about Donald Trump’s public statements denying Moscow’s role in cyberattacks designed to interfere with the U.S. election. They fear the Republican nominee for president has emboldened the Kremlin in its unprecedented cybercampaign to disrupt elections in multiple countries in hopes of weakening Western alliances, according to intelligence, law enforcement and other government officials in the United States and Europe.

While American intelligence officers have privately briefed Trump about Russia’s attempts to influence the U.S. election, he has publicly dismissed that information as unreliable, instead saying this hacking of incredible sophistication and technical complexity could have been done by some 400-pound “guy sitting on their bed” or even a child.

Officials from two European countries tell Newsweek that Trump’s comments about Russia’s hacking have alarmed several NATO partners because it suggests he either does not believe the information he receives in intelligence briefings, does not pay attention to it, does not understand it or is misleading the American public for unknown reasons. One British official says members of that government who are aware of the scope of Russia’s cyberattacks both in Western Europe and America found Trump’s comments “quite disturbing” because they fear that, if elected, the Republican presidential nominee would continue to ignore information gathered by intelligence services in the formulation of U.S. foreign policy.

Trump’s behavior, however, has at times concerned the Russians, leading them to revise their hacking and disinformation strategy. For example, when Trump launched into an inexplicable attack on the parents of a Muslim-American soldier who died in combat, the Kremlin assumed the Republican nominee was showing himself psychologically unfit to be president and would be forced by his party to withdraw from the race. As a result, Moscow put its hacking campaign temporarily on hold, ending the distribution of documents until Trump stabilized, both personally and in the polls, according to reports provided to Western intelligence.

America’s European partners are also troubled by the actions of several people close to Trump’s campaign and company. Trump has been surrounded by advisers and associates with economic and familial links to Russia. The publicized connections and contacts between former campaign manager Paul Manafort with Ukraine have raised concerns. Former Trump adviser Carter Page is being probed by American and European intelligence on allegations that he engaged in back-channel discussions with Russian government officials over the summer. Page did travel to Moscow, but he denies any inappropriate contact with Russian officials. The allies are also uneasy about retired Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, a Trump adviser who was reportedly considered a possible running mate for the GOP nominee. Last December, Flynn attended a dinner at the Metropol Hotel in honor of the 10th anniversary of RT, a Russian news agency that has been publicly identified by American intelligence as a primary outlet for Moscow’s disinformation campaigns. Flynn, who was two seats away from Russian President Vladimir Putin at the dinner, has frequently appeared on RT, despite public warnings by American intelligence that the news agency is used for Russian propaganda.

...
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-russia-hillary-clinton-united-states-europe-516895

Danke
12-11-2016, 03:17 AM
Newsweek, lol, another FakeMedia outfit.

CPUd
12-11-2016, 03:20 AM
https://i.imgur.com/yGIIZzf.png

AZJoe
12-11-2016, 06:52 AM
With all the information available just on this thread, somebody is once again being intentionally willfully ignorant.

First the CIA "secret" assessment itself was not leaked - only anonymous claims about it which the WaPo ran with.

Second, the WaPO itself confirms in its Fake News Propaganda Story (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.2e858944e40a), there is not evidence that the Kremlin directed any hacking operation, obtaining e-mails that went to Wikileaks, thereby helping Trump and hurting Clinton in the election. Rather they allege it was mysterious hackers "one step" removed. To quote the article:
“…intelligence agencies do not have specific intelligence showing officials in the Kremlin ‘directing’ the identified individuals to pass the Democratic emails to WikiLeaks, a second senior U.S. official said. Those actors, according to the official, were ‘one step’ removed [which of course includes anyone] from the Russian government, rather than government employees. Moscow has in the past used middlemen to participate in sensitive intelligence operations so it has plausible deniability.”

In other words, WaPo has no evidence Russia "hacked" the Us elections, but WaPo is going to report it anyway.

Third, contrary to nikcers claim, its not "multiple branches of government. In fact, so far it is only WaPo making an unverified claim from anonymous source of a "secret" assessment by CIA without evidence.

Fourth, the WaPo allegations directly contradict White House's confirmation to the opposite. "CIA’s claims appear to dramatically undercut the rest of the government’s narrative, which includes a White House confirmation (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/26/us/politics/us-statement-on-reliability-of-election-results.html?_r=0) that there was no measurable increase in cyber activity around the election, nor any indication Russia had planned any malicious cyber activity for the US election."

Fifth, the WaPo allegation also directly contradict the investigation by the FBI: " That the allegations are coming out of the CIA at all is noteworthy, as the investigation into the allegations against Russia was carried out by the FBI, and all indications were that they had come up empty. With no evidence, the FBI was unwilling to issue any statements supporting the accusations.

The CIA offered no real evidence themselves, simply making some references to unnamed people involved in leaking data to WikiLeaks being somewhat close to the Russian government. WikiLeaks denied Russia was the source of the leaks long ago.

Indeed, that the CIA is not only suddenly involved, but suddenly at the forefront, may well reflect President-elect Trump’s stated policy intentions being far removed from those that the CIA has endorsed, (https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/12/09/unpacking-new-cia-leak-dont-ignore-aluminum-tube-footnote/) and might be done with an eye toward undermining Trump’s position in those upcoming policy battles. At the center of those Trump vs. CIA battles is Syria, as the CIA has for years pushed to move away from the ISIS war and toward imposing regime change in Syria. Trump, by contrast, has said he intends to end the CIA-Saudi program arming the Syrian rebels, and focus on fighting ISIS. Trump was even said to be seeking to coordinate anti-ISIS operations with Russia. …" http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/09/c...trump-elected/ (http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/09/cia-claims-russia-intervened-to-get-trump-elected/)

Sixth, Julian Assange has confirmed that Russia is not the source for Wikileaks emails. In fact, the evidence indicates the now murdered DNC Staffer Seth Rich was the source of the DNC emails to Wikileaks, for which Wikileaks is still offering a cash reward for any information leading to solving the assassination.

Seventh, it is highly improper for the US intelligence agency to attempt to directly interfere with a US election by directly leaking unsupported global reaching accusations to a news outlet for media hysteria.

Eighth, not a single bit of evidence has been provided, but hey, reality and facts are no barrier to nikcers. Embrace the lies right.

Lastly, even if the alleged "secret" CIA assessment were leaked (if it even exists), the CIA with its continuous long record of lies, disinformation, perjury under oath to Congress, history of direct interference in elections and governments, history of direct interference in msm, animosity to any non-interventionist or pro-peace foreign policy, has zero credibility at all.

More:

https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/12/10/evidence-prove-russian-hack/

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10/anonymous-leaks-to-the-washpost-about-the-cias-russia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/

https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/12/09/unpacking-new-cia-leak-dont-ignore-aluminum-tube-footnote/

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/secret-cia-assessment-story-about-russia-helping-trump-is-the-fake-news-youve-been-warned-about/

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/12/11/more-russia-bashing-over-nonexistent-cyberattacks.html

http://theduran.com/attempted-clinton-cia-coup-donald-trump/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-10/republicans-slam-cia-secret-soft-coup-report-what-proof-does-anyone-have-ive-heard-z





JET FUEL CAN"T MELT STEEL BEAMS YOU CONSPIRACY THEORIST. -Look I understand you can't prove election fraud, if I had a way to prove that I could literally sell it for a trillion dollars. I don't believe that Putin is a good guy, I think he is a murdering scumbag. If you think Putin is such a good guy, who would never do anything to hurt the United States then you claim to know much more about the man then I do.

The burden of proof lies upon the person making the outlandish claims. Anonymous statements (allegedly from an agency whose job is spreading disinformation) printed by a thoroughly discredited news source WaPo, is not a substitute for evidence. Especially when those unsupported allegations directly contradict the very conclusions by the rest of government (i.e. White House, FBI, etc.).
And of course if they actually had any evidence to support for their outlandish claims they would have presented it.
And extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. But nope, nothing at all.

Except that is if you are nikcers or the msm, then no evidence at all is required, and willfully ignore all the proof to the contra. For nikcers, and lowlife McCarthyites, unfounded anonymous allegations without proof is all that is required.
Any lie is a good lie just as long as nikcers wants to believe the lie. Don't demand proof and attack anyone that questions the lack of evidence or points out the baloney.

Heck, even the CIA doesn't even really believe this bogus story. As PCR points out, "If the CIA is actually stupid enough to believe this, the US is without a competent intelligence agency. Of course, the CIA didn’t say and doesn’t believe any such thing. The fake news stories in the presstitute media are all sourced to unnamed officials."

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otherone
12-11-2016, 07:08 AM
If it was the Russians, where do I send my letter of gratitude for ending Hillary?

Email it to Podesta. I'm sure Putin will get it. :D

CPUd
12-11-2016, 07:44 AM
U.S. Intel Agencies Preparing Dossier to Prove Russian Hacks


President Barack Obama has ordered U.S. intelligence agencies to deliver to him a dossier of the evidence that the Russian government used cyber attacks and other means to intervene in the 2016 election, possibly with the idea of making more information public, a senior intelligence official told NBC News.

White House counterterrorism advisor Lisa Monaco told reporters that the results of the report would be shared with lawmakers and others. Obama leaves office on Jan. 20. Monaco used careful language, calling it a "full review of what happened during the 2016 election process."

But since the U.S. government has already said that all 17 intelligence agencies agree Russia was behind the hacks, Monaco's meaning was clear. The senior intelligence official who spoke to NBC News added further context.

"We may have crossed into a new threshold, and it is incumbent upon us to take stock of that, to review, to conduct some after-action, to understand what has happened and to impart some lessons learned," Monaco said at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.

Given President-elect Donald Trump's repeated insistence that he does not believe U.S. Intelligence assessments that Russia interfered in the election, Obama is concerned that Russia will go unpunished for the behavior unless he acts, administration officials have told NBC News.

Related: Trump Was Told Russia to Blame for Hacks Long Before First Debate

How strong is the evidence pointing to the Putin government? A senior intelligence official with direct knowledge told NBC News it is "complex but clear."

Another person who has seen the evidence believes it is "enough to get some of the Russians indicted tomorrow."

Sean Kanuck, who was the national intelligence officer for cyber issues with the Office of the Director of National Intelligence until this spring, said that the government had to have been very certain of its evidence to point a finger at Russia.

Said Kanuck, "Having led many of those attribution assessments of prior events for the intelligence community, I'm well aware of the level of research and analysis that goes into those kinds of statements and the level of confidence that would be required before such a national level statement would be made publicly."

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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-intel-agencies-preparing-dossier-prove-russian-hacks-n694011

FunkBuddha
12-11-2016, 08:02 AM
Until all sources are revealed and all information is put forth, all of these articles are fake news. I quit reading them as soon as I see phrases like "a senior intelligence official told NBC News." I have the analytical skills to make my own conclusions, I don't need WaPo, NYT, NBC and other proven fake news outlets to make them for me.

LibertyEagle
12-11-2016, 09:13 AM
I can understand Russia being concerned about Hillary when she was determined to start WWIII in order to intervene in Syria to defend Isral.


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It has nothing to do with protecting Israel. It's all about a pipeline. A pipeline that Assad has said no to.

Cleaner44
12-11-2016, 09:26 AM
Some other perspectives...

How is this a secret CIA assessment if they printed it in the Washington Post?

Why was the second half of the title left off? (Russia was trying to help Trump win White House by exposing the crimes of the Clinton campaign)

Is it bad when the Russians promote resign change, but good when the CIA does it?

Why has the American government not brought forth any charges regarding the PACs coordinating with the Clinton campaign?

Brian4Liberty
12-11-2016, 12:00 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-intel-agencies-preparing-dossier-prove-russian-hacks-n694011


President Barack Obama has ordered U.S. intelligence agencies to deliver to him a dossier of the evidence that the Russian government used cyber attacks and other means to intervene in the 2016 election, possibly with the idea of making more information public, a senior intelligence official told NBC News.

There are actions that are considered unthinkable, such that they are called "the nuclear option". The Democrats have shown their willingnesss to do the unthinkable in the past.

Declaring a Presidential election null and void, and remaining in power may be one the worst of the so-called "nuclear options". Don't doubt for a second that Obama and the Democrats are now contemplating whether they can get away with it.

nikcers
12-11-2016, 12:13 PM
There are actions that are considered unthinkable, such that they are called "the nuclear option". The Democrats have shown their willingnesss to do the unthinkable in the past.

Declaring a Presidential election null and void, and remaining in power may be one the worst of the so-called "nuclear options". Don't doubt for a second that Obama and the Democrats are now contemplating whether they can get away with it. Nuclear options are on the table, liberal international order is a new word for me, does anyone know what racket he is dog whistling?


visiting Ottawa before he leaves office, the vice-president called on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau -- who is beginning his second year in power -- to set an example on the international stage. His message comes as populist movements and anti-trade sentiment stir political upheaval, particular in the European Union.“I’ve never seen Europe engaged in as much self-doubt,” Biden said Thursday evening at a dinner hosted by Trudeau. “The world’s going to spend a lot of time looking to you, prime minister, as we see more and more challenges to the liberal international order since the end of World War II -- you and Angela Merkel.”

pcosmar
12-11-2016, 12:17 PM
Question

How do newz sources notorious for not investigating anything,, suddenly get seecret CIA information?

timosman
12-11-2016, 12:26 PM
Question

How do newz sources notorious for not investigating anything,, suddenly get seecret CIA information?

They just feed it to Barbara Starr:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilt3Np2sHiI

enhanced_deficit
12-11-2016, 12:30 PM
Question

How do newz sources notorious for not investigating anything,, suddenly get seecret CIA information?

That is a reckless question.




Related

Secret FBI assessment says Russia was not trying to help Trump win White House (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?505240-Secret-FBI-assessment-says-Russia-was-not-trying-to-help-Trump-win-White-House&)

CPUd
12-11-2016, 12:34 PM
Former ambassador to Russia: Putin wanted 'revenge' against Clinton

Russia interfered in the U.S. elections to get revenge against Hillary Clinton, a former U.S. ambassador to the Kremlin said Sunday.

Michael McFaul, who served as the U.S. ambassador to Russia from 2012 to 2014, said he thinks Russian President Vladimir Putin wanted to help Donald Trump win the presidency to hurt Clinton.

"Let's remember that Vladimir Putin thinks [Clinton] interfered in his election — the parliamentary election in December 2011 — and has said as much publicly, and I've heard him talk about it privately," McFaul said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

The New York Times reported last week that American intelligence agencies concluded that Russia acted covertly to harm Clinton's campaign and promote Trump.

Putin would also be motivated to help Trump because the two support many of the same policies, McFaul said.

"It's very rational in my view that [Putin] would rather see President-elect Trump be the next president of the United States instead of Secretary Clinton," he said.

"We really do need this bipartisan, independent investigation that others are calling for."
http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/309854-former-ambassador-to-russia-putin-wanted-revenge-against-clinton

Lucille
12-11-2016, 12:43 PM
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robert68
12-11-2016, 12:48 PM
Payback?

Vladimir Putin accuses Hillary Clinton of encouraging Russian protests (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/08/vladimir-putin-hillary-clinton-russia)
8 December 2011
Russian prime minister says US secretary of state gave a 'signal' to Kremlin opponents by criticising elections


Vladimir Putin has accused Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, of fomenting an increasingly vociferous opposition movement in Russia, threatening to derail the two countries' fragile resetting of relations.

The accusation builds on months of Russian statements and media coverage blaming popular uprisings around the Arab world on western scheming. It comes as Washington and Moscow tussle over a host of disagreements, from missile defence to Syria.

Speaking to supporters on Thursday, Putin accused Clinton of giving "the signal" to opposition leaders, who are expected to gather with tens of thousands of supporters for a protest on Saturday. He rejected Clinton's repeated criticism of a parliamentary vote last weekend that gave Putin's United Russia party nearly 50% of the vote amid widespread reports of fraud.
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https://cdn.theguardian.tv/brightcove/2011/12/8/111208RussiaPutin-4x3.mp4

Brian4Liberty
12-11-2016, 12:48 PM
This is pure propaganda being floated to first of all deligitimize the Trump Administration, and secondly, if they really dare, to declare the election null and void.

But it is irrelevant to the election. No one has accused Russia of hacking voting machines or counts. That would be relevant. The accusation is that they exposed crimes and corruption of Hillary and the DNC. How does that differ from a domestic media outlet doing an investigation and revealing the same information? Does the leaking of truth make an election illegitimate?

Or even worse, do lies make an election null and void? There is no doubt that the entire mainstream media worked to elect Hillary, and the MSM never lets truth get in the way of their propaganda and manipulation. If the level of truth or motivation of those who tell tales is relevant to an election, then nearly every election is illigitimate. Lies and smears are SOP in most elections.

CPUd
12-11-2016, 01:00 PM
This is pure propaganda being floated to first of all deligitimize the Trump Administration, and secondly, if they really dare, to declare the election null and void.

But it is irrelevant to the election. No one has accused Russia of hacking voting machines or counts. That would be relevant. The accusation is that they exposed crimes and corruption of Hillary and the DNC. How does that differ from a domestic media outlet doing an investigation and revealing the same information? Does the leaking of truth make an election illegitimate?

Or even worse, do lies make an election null and void? There is no doubt that the entire mainstream media worked to elect Hillary, and the MSM never lets truth get in the way of their propaganda and manipulation. If the level of truth or motivation of those who tell tales is relevant to an election, then nearly every election is illigitimate. Lies and smears are SOP in most elections.

I doubt it will end up spoiling the election, unless there is money involved.

Brian4Liberty
12-11-2016, 01:35 PM
808032231709167616
https://twitter.com/USAB4L/status/808032231709167616

Brian4Liberty
12-11-2016, 01:36 PM
808025951066001409
https://twitter.com/USAB4L/status/808025951066001409

enhanced_deficit
12-11-2016, 01:39 PM
808025951066001409
https://twitter.com/USAB4L/status/808025951066001409


Great question.

timosman
12-11-2016, 01:41 PM
808025951066001409

This did not affect anything, so the answer is no.

Brian4Liberty
12-11-2016, 01:41 PM
808033839830499328
https://twitter.com/USAB4L/status/808033839830499328

Brian4Liberty
12-11-2016, 01:44 PM
This did not affect anything, so the answer is no.

You mean they weren't able to push Hillary into the Whitehouse. How many other elections (and primaries) have they successfully manipulated?

CPUd
12-11-2016, 01:44 PM
808025969680326656
https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/808025969680326656

Working Poor
12-11-2016, 02:46 PM
I doubt it will end up spoiling the election, unless there is money involved.
There is a lot of bribery money involved given to Clinton so she could win the election and give favors to Saudia Arabia and the EU. Pay to play...

CPUd
12-11-2016, 04:06 PM
There is a lot of bribery money involved given to Clinton so she could win the election and give favors to Saudia Arabia and the EU. Pay to play...

Yes, they are both dirty like that. Which is why neither of them should have been anywhere close to their party nominations.

staerker
12-11-2016, 04:12 PM
There is a lot of bribery money involved given to Clinton so she could win the election and give favors to Saudia Arabia and the EU. Pay to play...

Yeah, a lot of money was involved, children are expensive to buy and traffick.

CPUd
12-11-2016, 05:01 PM
A house divided
The alarming response to Russian meddling in American democracy

The CIA believes that Russia was trying to help get Donald Trump elected. That news has been met with partisanship, not patriotism

WHY is it unsettling to see Republicans and Democrats squabbling, afresh, about Russian meddling in last month’s presidential election? After all, the basic allegation being debated has been out there for months: namely, that in 2015 and again in 2016 at least two groups of hackers with known links to Russian intelligence broke into the computer systems of the Democratic National Committee, as that party’s national headquarters is known, and into the private e-mail system of such figures as John Podesta, the chairman of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, then released a slew of embarrassing e-mails to Wikileaks. Before the election a joint public statement by the director of national intelligence and secretary of homeland security saying that intelligence agencies are “confident” that the Russian government directed the hacking—a statement that did little to sway supporters of Donald Trump, who heard their candidate cast doubt on that intelligence finding, and instead revel in the contents of the stolen e-mails as they hit the press. This, Mr Trump, was just more evidence that his opponent deserved the soubriquet “Crooked Hillary”.

All that has changed materially in recent days is that—thanks to reporting by the Washington Post and New York Times—we now know that the CIA briefed senior members of Congress before and after the election that, in the consensus view of intelligence analysts, the Russians’ motive was not just to undermine confidence in American democracy generally, but actively to seek Mrs Clinton’s defeat. These latest revelations have probably not changed any minds at all. Republicans who hate Mrs Clinton are still delighted that she was defeated. Democrats who loathe and fear Mr Trump have one more reason to dislike him. Outside Washington, red-blooded Americans who mostly rather dislike President Vladimir Putin (pictured), according to polls, seem to be shrugging off the latest allegations: President-elect Trump was loudly cheered by spectators when he turned up in Baltimore on December 10th to watch the Army-Navy football game, an annual pageant of patriotism.

And that is what is, or should be, so unsettling. Russian interference in elections across the Western world is like a nasty virus, attacking the body politic. Normally, America is protected by powerful, bipartisan immune responses against such a menace. It also boasts some of the world’s most sophisticated intelligence and cyber-defences, and when spooks tell the Republicans and Democrats who lead Congress and sit on the House and Senate intelligence committees of hostile acts by a foreign power, love of country generates a unified response. That immune response is not kicking in this time.
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http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2016/12/house-divided?fsrc=scn/tw_ec/the_alarming_response_to_russian_meddling_in_ameri can_democracy

Jamesiv1
12-11-2016, 05:02 PM
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2016/12/house-divided?fsrc=scn/tw_ec/the_alarming_response_to_russian_meddling_in_ameri can_democracy
CIA = fake news

CPUd
12-11-2016, 05:20 PM
808086193992794112
https://twitter.com/WIRED/status/808086193992794112

GunnyFreedom
12-11-2016, 11:56 PM
Russia is taking down Merkel next?

Um.

Go Russia?

Danke
12-12-2016, 12:04 AM
Damn ruskies!

CPUd
12-12-2016, 12:13 AM
Russia's role in this year's presidential election, explained by a media historian

The Kremlin’s meddling in the 2016 presidential election became apparent during the Democratic National Convention this summer. WikiLeaks, which now operates as a de facto Russian front, released a trove of stolen emails from the server of the Democratic National Committee. The leak served two purposes: to raise doubts about the legitimacy of Clinton’s nomination and to give a subtle boost to her Republican rival, Donald Trump.

We’ve since learned, thanks in part to this report by BuzzFeed, that senior members of Clinton’s campaign staff had their email accounts hacked by a group known as Fancy Bear (among many other names). The internal dynamics of the group aren’t well understood. What we know is that the White House and various American intelligence agencies believe strongly that Fancy Bear is working at the behest of the Russian government.

In addition to penetrating email accounts, Russia is also involved in the more insidious business of propagating “fake news” stories in order to sow doubt and distort public opinion. Much of the fake news problems it the result of ideologues and internet entrepreneurs, but there is compelling evidence that suggests Russia is an active participant in this stream of misinformation.

As CNN reported last week, Russian hackers (an unknown number of which were state-sponsored) have worked to disrupt America’s electoral process via botnets and a network of websites and social media accounts, all of which exist in order to pump false or inflammatory narratives into the media ecosystem.

Often the stories are conspiratorial in nature or intended to add to the white noise floating around the web. While much of the “fake news” seems to have targeted Hillary Clinton (i.e., the recklessly speculative stories about her declining health), the more subversive result was to produce a more polarized electorate.

The goal, as Clint Watts, a fellow at the Center for Cyber and Homeland Security at George Washington University, told CNN, “is to erode trust in mainstream media, public figures, government institutions — everything that holds the unity of the Republic together."

This kind of subterfuge isn’t new. Nearly every major power engages in some form of cyberwarfare. Putin’s encroachments, however, represent an unusually direct attempt to influence the internal politics of other countries’ elections.

Indeed, the Obama administration publicly condemned Russia in October for attempting to interfere in our electoral process. Vice President Joe Biden went a step further, acknowledging Russia’s role and overtly warning that “we have the capacity” to respond at a “time of our choosing.”

To better understand Russia’s ambitions, I spoke with Vasily Gatov, a Russian-born mass media analyst and a Visiting Fellow at USC’s Annenberg School of Communications and Journalism.

A specialist in Russian media history, Gatov is currently working on a book about the re-emergence of totalitarian censorship in Putin’s Russia. He has reported extensively in Russia for more than two decades and, more recently, has focused on the political and technological implications of mass media.

His perspective on Russia’s propaganda campaign is more measured than most. While he doesn’t deny Russia’s involvement or subversive intent, he believes their impact has been wildly overstated. Russia benefits from the surplus of fake news, Gatov concedes, but often they don’t create it so much as amplify it. By inflating Russia’s role, he told me, we “create the impression that they’re more powerful than they are.”

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http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/12/5/13811848/putin-russia-fake-news-donald-trump-propaganda-media

enhanced_deficit
12-12-2016, 12:30 AM
Damn ruskies!

Looks like drama is over:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?505267-John-Bolton-DNC-hacks-could-be-false-flag-operation&p=6381841&viewfull=1#post6381841

Did not see this coming.


Score:
Trump: 22 , Obama: 0

Danke
12-12-2016, 12:34 AM
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/12/5/13811848/putin-russia-fake-news-donald-trump-propaganda-media

Vox



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=***********

CPUd
12-12-2016, 12:56 AM
Gap on Russia hacking conclusions between intelligence, FBI

Is Trump Russia's choice for president?

(CNN)The disagreement between some Republicans and Democrats on Russia's intentions in hacking the election rests partially on the lack of agreement between intelligence agencies and the FBI about the conclusiveness of the evidence, officials explained this weekend.

The US intelligence community is increasingly confident that Russian meddling in the American election was intended to steer the election toward Donald Trump, multiple sources have said. That revelation, first reported by CNN a week ago, went beyond the October statement by the 17 intelligence agencies that only said that Russia was seeking to undermine the election, but did not go as far as to say it was to benefit Trump.

The New York Times reported this weekend that part of the reason for the change is that the CIA believes the Russians hacked not only Democratic organizations but Republican groups too, but that they only published documents from Democrats.

Motives unclear
The FBI hasn't concluded that the RNC itself was directly breached, a law enforcement official said Sunday. FBI investigators did find that a breach of a third-party entity that held data belonging to the RNC. But the data appears to have been outdated and of little value to the hackers. The FBI also found that some conservative groups and pundits were hacked. The FBI also hasn't found conclusive evidence to show that it was done to help Trump.

"At this point, there appears to have been a combination of motivations," one US law enforcement official said. "They wanted to sow discord and undermine our systems. It's clear not even the Russians thought he would win."

Officials familiar with the briefings given to Congress say the CIA assessment wasn't as definitive as has been portrayed in news reports this weekend. The agency developed new information in recent weeks, based on intelligence sources, which prompted a new assessment of the Russian hack. That assessment "leans" toward the view that the Russians were trying to hurt Clinton and help Trump. But the CIA assessment wasn't definitive, the officials said.

Part of the issue is the nature of the CIA and FBI roles in the investigation. The CIA produces raw intelligence, the FBI moves more slowly to reach conclusions based on the intelligence and other investigative work.

Partisan differences
And then there's the partisan views of members of Congress who have been briefed. "Some people in that briefing heard what they wanted to hear. We just gave them the facts and it's up to the policy makers to do what they want with it," a US intelligence official said.

That disagreement was evident when members of Congress were briefed on the latest intelligence findings recently and the FBI officials did not concur, according to the Washington Post.

CNN is told there was at least one high-level briefing by multiple agencies in the past few weeks since the election. In that meeting, CIA informed members of its changed information.

Democrats emerged wanting a more public airing of the information. That led to the letter two weeks ago from Intelligence committee Democrats pressing the President to declassify the information.
Republicans who heard the same information were insistent that it was not so clear-cut.

Some continued to make that argument this weekend.

"The certainty with which it is being portrayed that the intelligence community fingered Russia and revealed multiple attacks -- those are being overblown and put forward with a certainty that doesn't exist," said one Republican congressional aide familiar with discussion among top leadership and committee members.

"Absolute work of fiction by whoever is leaking this information to the press."

Incoming Democratic Senate Leader Chuck Schumer said Sunday that lack of agreement among agencies is more reason for further scrutiny.

"The fact the CIA and FBI disagree shows the need for a bipartisan investigation to get to the bottom of this. The investigation should be tough, strong, bipartisan and have access to all materials, classified and not," Schumer said.

Congressional pushback
Back in September, at a briefing of congressional leadership, Republican Senator Mitch McConnell was among those who pushed back at a meeting when presented with intelligence that Russia was trying to steer the elections to Trump, according to a source briefed on the meeting.

Also in September, multiple intelligence agencies briefed House and Senate intelligence committees about information they had gathered showing that Russia was interfering with the elections, according to a congressional source close to the process. The briefers did not explicitly say that Russian hackers were trying to help Trump, but it was a clear from the evidence that they presented that Russia was meddling in the elections -- and Trump was benefiting.

"There was no way that any one could have walked out of there with that the evidence and conclude that the Russian government was not behind this," this source said.

That is different briefing than the one McConnell was at where he reportedly pushed back on the intelligence linking Russia hacks to helping Trump.

But other Republicans, notably some key senators that disagree with Donald Trump's friendlier approach to Russia, are now backing a bipartisan review of the hacking that will coincide with the White House review of election-related hacking going back to 2008.

Senator Lindsey Graham told CNN this week that Republicans need to recognize that this is a bipartisan impact even if it was aimed only the Democratic presidential candidate this time.
"It's pretty clear to me that WikiLeaks was designed to hurt Clinton and it could be us tomorrow, to my Republican friends," said the South Carolina Republican. "What if the Iranians hack into Trump's emails, because they don't like him being tough? As a nation, this is not a partisan issue," Graham said.

House Speaker Paul Ryan has also decried foreign intervention in the election.

"All year, the Intelligence Community, law enforcement, and state and local election officials have been working to ensure that this election was conducted consistent with our long history of free and fair elections. The speaker can not comment on or characterize the content of classified briefings but he rejects any politicization of intelligence matters," said AshLee Strong, Ryan's spokeswoman.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/11/politics/russia-hacking-conclusions-donald-trump/

Danke
12-12-2016, 01:01 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/11/politics/russia-hacking-conclusions-donald-trump/

CNN...and no names, again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=***********

CPUd
12-12-2016, 01:07 AM
807703919069630464
https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/807703919069630464

Danke
12-12-2016, 01:17 AM
Joe Walsh?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=***********
"No. Not even close. Trump doesn't represent my world view." Joe Walsh

enhanced_deficit
12-12-2016, 01:22 AM
807703919069630464
https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/807703919069630464


His tweets tend to be overly emotional.


http://thesource.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/walsh-freedom.jpg

CPUd
12-12-2016, 01:23 AM
Russia Says It Was In Touch With Trump Campaign During The Election
“There were contacts,” Interfax news agency cited Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov as saying.
11/10/2016 08:35 am ET | Updated Nov 10, 2016
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MOSCOW, Nov 10 (Reuters) - The Russian government was in touch with members of President-elect Donald Trump’s political team during the U.S. election campaign and knows most of his entourage, one of Russia’s most senior diplomats told the Interfax news agency on Thursday.

Accused by defeated Democratic contender Hillary Clinton of being a puppet of President Vladimir Putin after praising the Russian leader, Trump has dismissed suggestions he had anything to do with the Russian government during the campaign.

But in comments that could prove politically awkward for the president-elect, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said there had indeed been some communications.

“There were contacts,” Interfax cited Ryabkov as saying. “We are doing this and have been doing this during the election campaign.”

Such contacts would continue, he added, saying the Russian government knew and had been in touch with many of Trump’s closest allies. He did not name names.

“Obviously, we know most of the people from his (Trump’s) entourage. Those people have always been in the limelight in the United States and have occupied high-ranking positions,” he said.

“I cannot say that all of them, but quite a few have been staying in touch with Russian representatives.”

Moscow was just beginning to consider how to go about setting up more formal channels to communicate with the future Trump administration, said Ryabkov.

A spokeswoman for Trump did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-russia-in-touch-election_us_582475f5e4b0d9ce6fc0e5f4

Danke
12-12-2016, 01:30 AM
Hillary campaign chief linked to money-laundering in Russia
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/hillary-campaign-chief-linked-to-money-laundering-in-russia/#ibOQfLSY2uba02J3.99

Danke
12-12-2016, 01:33 AM
Hillary Clinton's Campaign Against Russia - Counterpunch (http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09/26/hillary-clintons-campaign-against-russia/)
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09/26/hillary-clintons-campaign-against-russia/

Danke
12-12-2016, 01:35 AM
Hillary's Russia Connection

http://www.weeklystandard.com/hillarys-russia-connection/article/2004790

CPUd
12-12-2016, 01:35 AM
https://i.imgur.com/JWIgonJ.png

Danke
12-12-2016, 01:37 AM
Wikileaks Mocks Clinton Campaign’s Russia Conspiracy


http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/

Danke
12-12-2016, 01:39 AM
McCain, Schumer, Graham and Reed!? Seriously, on RPFs?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=***********

CPUd
12-12-2016, 01:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INFiXtBVJQc

enhanced_deficit
12-12-2016, 01:40 AM
https://i.imgur.com/JWIgonJ.png



Why fellow AIPAC funded neocon Joe Lieberman's name is not cited... is he still in Iraq searching for WMDs?


2003: McCain: We Will Find Weapons Of Mass Destruction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuAd0YjIfOY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuAd0YjIfOY


Can you come up with some quality spam to post here. Maybe something from other Iraq war lobbies tools like Colin Powell or Paul Wolfowitz besides discredited low energy Johnny "bomb bomb Iran" McCain.

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-05d975c1327bc3b47eadd55f3d561fdf-c?convert_to_webp=true


http://conservative-headlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/mccain-graham-ISIS.jpg
Claim: John McCain and Lindsey Graham with the leader of the Libyan branch of ISIS.


(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?505198-What-explains-ISIS-being-suddenly-getting-wiped-out-of-Syria-within-days-of-Trump-win-news&p=6380529&viewfull=1#post6380529)

Danke
12-12-2016, 01:43 AM
https://i.imgur.com/JWIgonJ.png

These tyrants are antithesis of anything Ron Paul has stood for and has said. These politicians are anti-liberty and have a attacked Ron Paul continuously. What we have here on our hands is a troll.

Danke
12-12-2016, 01:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INFiXtBVJQc

Troll tries to deflect with a ridiculous post, again.

CPUd
12-12-2016, 01:48 AM
How Russian Hackers Can Blackmail Donald Trump—and the GOP
If it is true that the Russians hacked the Republican National Committee as well as the DNC, then their power over POTUS potentially knows few bounds.
Michael Weiss
Kimberly Dozier
12.10.16 2:50 PM ET

Former and current U.S. national security officials and experts say that if it is true that the Russian government possesses documents belonging to the Republican National Committee, Donald Trump’s incoming administration may be the most compromised in U.S. history.

A senior U.S. administration official confirmed to The Daily Beast that the CIA believes the Russians hacked the RNC. He spoke anonymously because he was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

On Friday, Dec. 9, The New York Times reported that hackers connected to two separate Russian security services allegedly broke into the computer systems of the RNC, but chose not to disclose the digital contents of those systems, in marked contrast to the gradual release, via WikiLeaks, of emails belonging to the Democratic National Committee throughout the spring and summer.

As a result, the report said U.S. intelligence agencies concluded with “high confidence” that the Kremlin’s motive in these cyberattacks was to get Trump elected, not just do harm to his rival Hillary Clinton or undermine American democracy, as the agencies had previously concluded with only “confidence,” when they announced concerns over Russian interference in October. One senior U.S. official told the Washington Post for its own story on the matter, “It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected.”

“There’s a real revolt going on,” said a former intelligence officer of the CIA leaks, citing discussions with former colleagues. “They don’t like [National Security Adviser nominee Michael] Flynn and they hate Trump’s guts. This is their whole life’s work being thrown out the door. They feel like the whole intelligence committee is on probation.” The ex-spy spoke anonymously because he was not authorized to discuss the agency’s internal anguish publicly.

The DNC hacks, it is widely believed, were perpetrated by two independent organs of Russian intelligence. First, COZY BEAR, a hacker working for the FSB, the domestic intelligence arm, broke into the Committee’s servers in mid-2015. Around the same time FANCY BEAR, a hacker affiliated with the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence agency, also penetrated the servers. To drum up plausible deniability, the haul from these hacks was then sent to WikiLeaks and uploaded by two suspected cut-outs of Moscow, “Guccifer 2.0” and a newish website called DCLeaks.com.

The White House and Congress were informed by the Central Intelligence Agency and National Security Agency that the Russian officials responsible for both the RNC and DNC breaches were identified, according to the Times, although their names have not been publicized.

“[CIA director] John Brennan does believe the Russians are behind it,” said ret. Col. Tony Shaffer, who briefed Trump National Security Advisor Michael Flynn this past week at Trump Tower. “He did brief the senate on his belief that the Russians were involved, but he did not provide any specific evidence. My understanding is the data provided was only of opinion in nature, not details of specific attacks. The American people are owed an answer, but my understanding is they are never going to get an answer because there’s no basic data to back up the allegation,” said Shaffer, who is a member of the New York-based London Center for Policy Research where Flynn is a fellow.

House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Mike McCaul told Politico during the election he’d informed Trump that Russia was attempting to influence the elections.

“Now he hasn’t had the briefing I had, but I made it clear that in my judgment it was a nation-state,” McCaul said in October. His office declined to comment on the matter Saturday.

The CIA also declined to comment Saturday.
...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/10/how-russian-hackers-can-blackmail-donald-trump-and-the-gop.html

Danke
12-12-2016, 01:49 AM
Troll tries to deflect with a ridiculous post, again.


What happen to to the cats or dancing poddles?

CPUd
12-12-2016, 02:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1MbFesSC7M

GunnyFreedom
12-12-2016, 02:47 AM
807703919069630464
https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/807703919069630464

No, but if I were Russia faced with a madwoman who appeared to want nuclear war vs some idiot who at least appeared harmless, then I would do precisely what they stand accused of. If (and this is assuming they did it, which I still do not buy) I would have done, in their shoes, precisely what they are accused of, then how could I possibly be mad at them for it? Wouldn't that make me a hypocrite if I were?

As much as I find foreign interventionism offensive when we do it to others and when others do it to us, if one is going to intervene, then using nothing more than words to stop a nuclear fracking war doesn't really seem to be crossing a line to me.

Would that more nations were willing to use words to stop wars.

timosman
12-12-2016, 02:54 AM
These tyrants are antithesis of anything Ron Paul has stood for and has said. These politicians are anti-liberty and have a attacked Ron Paul continuously. What we have here on our hands is a troll.

CPUd is like an evil Zippy. Maybe they are twins? Are the mods going to do anything about this clear violation of forum policies or will they be waiting for the last user to turn the lights off? :confused:

Marenco
12-12-2016, 02:59 AM
http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-our-government-has-kept-us-in-a-perpetual-state-of-fear-kept-us-in-a-continuous-stampede-of-douglas-macarthur-116443.jpg

AZJoe
12-12-2016, 01:24 PM
Ron Paul speaks About it on the Ron Paul Liberty Report:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzSzQ-bdJGw&feature=youtu.be

Brian4Liberty
12-12-2016, 09:52 PM
808086193992794112
https://twitter.com/WIRED/status/808086193992794112

You mean like the US and Obama hacked Germany?

Obama administration spied on German media as well as its government (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/03/politics/germany-media-spying-obama-administration/)

Brian4Liberty
12-12-2016, 09:58 PM
https://i.imgur.com/JWIgonJ.png

Nothing discredits a "joint statement" more than having neocon RINOs McCain and Graham on it.

Brian4Liberty
12-12-2016, 10:00 PM
CPUd is like an evil Zippy. Maybe they are twins? Are the mods going to do anything about this clear violation of forum policies or will they be waiting for the last user to turn the lights off? :confused:

Which specific forum policies are being violated? There is a "report" function, and it is helpful to reference specific guidelines violations if you see them.

CPUd
12-12-2016, 10:27 PM
No, but if I were Russia faced with a madwoman who appeared to want nuclear war vs some idiot who at least appeared harmless, then I would do precisely what they stand accused of. If (and this is assuming they did it, which I still do not buy) I would have done, in their shoes, precisely what they are accused of, then how could I possibly be mad at them for it? Wouldn't that make me a hypocrite if I were?

As much as I find foreign interventionism offensive when we do it to others and when others do it to us, if one is going to intervene, then using nothing more than words to stop a nuclear fracking war doesn't really seem to be crossing a line to me.

Would that more nations were willing to use words to stop wars.

I support words over war, and also fair elections. There are plenty of other words better suited for that purpose than the ones currently being used.

UWDude
12-13-2016, 12:21 AM
Nothing discredits a "joint statement" more than having neocon RINOs McCain and Graham on it.

This is a Libertarian website, so we really care what "republicans" say, apparently.

GunnyFreedom
12-13-2016, 01:52 AM
I support words over war, and also fair elections. There are plenty of other words better suited for that purpose than the ones currently being used.

Even were all of this true, the Russians stand accused of....what exactly? Telling Americans the truth about their own government? I should be offended about this?

AZJoe
12-13-2016, 06:33 AM
Nothing discredits a "joint statement" more than having neocon RINOs McCain and Graham on it.

Agree. Anything with McCain and Graham on it gets the automatic red flag for lies and propaganda.

AZJoe
12-13-2016, 06:45 AM
There's A Psy-Op, All Right; But It Isn't "The Russians"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-12/theres-psy-op-all-right-it-isnt-russians
http://daisyluther.com/enough-with-russia-already/

This “Russian Disinformation” and “Russian Hacking” stuff is getting more ridiculous by the day.

First, don’t let the irony escape you that most, if not all, of the pundits breathlessly blaming the Russians for “fake news” and “election interference” are the very ones who were saying that Hillary Clinton was a shoe-in for president. They’re the ones who were providing her campaign with questions in advance, and allowing her people to approve/disapprove of articles.

Secondly, many of the entities blamed for spreading “Russian propaganda” were the ones with the audacity to tell the truth about the Clinton crime family and spread knowledge of the information released by Wikileaks. …

This isn’t about the Russians at all, which anyone with half a brain realizes is absolutely ridiculous. Here’s what this really is. This is a war on the Trump presidency. It’s an attempted coup. …

Maybe there’s someone with a lot of money to throw into this “OMG THE RUSSIANS” rhetoric who really hates Russia and who really wanted Hillary Clinton to be the President. Maybe his name rhymes with “Doros.” …

the MSM lost every single bit of their remaining credibility during the last election and they’re desperate to get it back. It reminds me of a high school kid who gets caught doing something she shouldn’t, who then makes up stories about another group of kids to get people talking about them instead of her. The MSM can’t accept the fact that Hillary Clinton lost, despite their dishonest but enthusiastic efforts to steal the election for her. They’ll collude with whoever they have to in order to become relevant again. ...

What’s more, the FBI completely disagrees with the CIA, and they’ve been very public about it. They don’t believe that there is…well, evidence. … you should never, ever believe anything the Washington Post refers to as investigative journalism. They have no idea what proof or evidence even means.

There’s a psy-op, all right, but it isn’t “the Russians” perpetrating it. It’s the CIA (keep in mind that psyops is part of their job) working hand in hand with the MSM. …

You just have to laugh at some of these headlines and quotes. … While some of the efforts are laughable, the end result could be incredibly serious. And by serious, I mean devastating. It could result in civil war. It could result in World War III. Despite the inadvertent hilarity, this is a blatant effort to keep President-Elect Trump out of the White House and to silence the opposition. …

If we learned nothing else from Wikileaks, we learned that there are dark secrets about the evils of money, power, and manipulation. We learned how many conspiracy theories about the Clintons were actually facts, and we learned some things we can’t unlearn about the proclivities of some of the most powerful people in Washington. We learned that some people will do anything to remain in power. We’re watching them do anything right now. …

Enough with “the Russians” already. The real conspiracy is happening right here in America.

CPUd
12-13-2016, 10:29 AM
Even were all of this true, the Russians stand accused of....what exactly? Telling Americans the truth about their own government? I should be offended about this?

LOL this is political theatrics, you shouldn't be offended by any of it.

goldenequity
12-13-2016, 11:03 AM
http://i.imgur.com/HqAjjrl.jpg

enhanced_deficit
12-13-2016, 11:04 AM
Operation Payback, allegedly:


Peek: Sore loser Obama wants to delegitimize Trump win as payback for Trump's Birther claims (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?505307-Peek-Sore-loser-Obama-wants-to-delegitimize-Trump-win-as-payback-for-Trump-s-Birther-claims&)

CPUd
12-13-2016, 11:32 AM
The Republicans are delivering America into Putin's hands
David Klion

Russia has preyed on other nations before, but never one so strong as the United States of America. Trump and his party are helping the process along


At the beginning of the 18th century, Poland was one of the largest states in Europe, a sovereign, multi-ethnic republic. By the end of the century it had vanished from the map, absorbed by the expanding empires of Russia, Prussia and Austria.

Poland was brought down not by invading armies, but by the weaknesses of its political system, which could be paralyzed by a single noble’s veto and thus easily compromised by outside powers offering bribes. By the end, Catherine the Great of Russia had even taken the king of Poland as a lover.

Three centuries have passed, but Poland’s experience carries uncomfortable lessons for the US in 2016.

Last week, Barack Obama ordered the CIA to review evidence that Russia was behind a series of cyber-attacks that compromised Hillary Clinton’s campaign and may have helped Donald Trump win the presidency. There is also a strong consensus that Trump’s businesses and advisers have extensive connections to the Russian government.

In short, the Kremlin appears to have directly interfered with an American election in order to boost a presidential candidate with a Russia-friendly foreign policy.

It shouldn’t be surprising that Vladimir Putin would want to interfere in US politics to advance Russia’s foreign policy goals – from curtailing Nato to ending sanctions over the conflict in Ukraine and preserving Bashar Assad’s regime in Syria. And as many critics of US foreign policy have noted, Washington has its own long history of meddling in foreign elections, including in Russia and its closest neighbors. Maybe the turnabout is fair play.

But what should surprise and disturb all Americans is that our political institutions, and above all the Republican party, are so vulnerable to Russian interference. The Republican party, traditionally associated with a hawkish stance toward Moscow, threw its support behind a presidential candidate who openly called on Russia to hack his opponent’s campaign.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/11/donald-trump-republicans-russia-putin

AZJoe
12-13-2016, 02:11 PM
The Republicans are delivering America into Putin's hands

Can always rely on Cpud to prop up the most absurd of stories, towing the neocon/msm propaganda.

CPUd
12-13-2016, 02:13 PM
Can always rely on Cpud to prop up the most absurd of stories, towing the neocon/msm propaganda.
Did you disagree with his article?

Jamesiv1
12-13-2016, 02:23 PM
It seems the folks running with this story are counting on the WWII generation (all in their 70's) to get good and riled up over our good-ole Cold War enemy, the Russkies.

Anybody under 50 be like, who?

UWDude
12-13-2016, 02:31 PM
Did you disagree with his article?

Nobody reads your garbage articles anymore, dude. You post 100 of them a day, and nobody wants to read your fake news. You are a failure.

ThePaleoLibertarian
12-13-2016, 02:57 PM
Let's say Russia did hack the emails. What did they do wrong? Tell people the truth? Allow voters to peer into the reality of Washington? There's absolutely no evidence that they hacked voting machines (and indeed, no public evidence that they hacked ANYTHING).

There's all this mainstream malarkey about Russia is trying to "undermine" confidence in the mainstream media, politicians and the like. If that's true, the real issue is that it takes Russia for people to finally get fed up with the shit they've been fed. That's a travesty. I personally think they're just trying to project blame for why no one likes them outward, but still.

jllundqu
12-13-2016, 03:06 PM
Let's say Russia did hack the emails. What did they do wrong? Tell people the truth? Allow voters to peer into the reality of Washington? There's absolutely no evidence that they hacked voting machines (and indeed, no public evidence that they hacked ANYTHING).

There's all this mainstream malarkey about Russia is trying to "undermine" confidence in the mainstream media, politicians and the like. If that's true, the real issue is that it takes Russia for people to finally get fed up with the shit they've been fed. That's a travesty. I personally think they're just trying to project blame for why no one likes them outward, but still.

Good analysis. So far, no one has said or claimed that anything released by wikileaks was fake or fabricated. They do, however, cry foul that the only things released were from the Dems and that it's possible the Russians hacked the RNC but didn't release info.

I agree that people shouldn't be surprised by Russia taking an active role in revealing just what they were in for with a Hillary presidency... it was all true!

And the US has been meddling in sovereign nations for a century.

ThePaleoLibertarian
12-13-2016, 03:12 PM
Good analysis. So far, no one has said or claimed that anything released by wikileaks was fake or fabricated. They do, however, cry foul that the only things released were from the Dems and that it's possible the Russians hacked the RNC but didn't release info.

I agree that people shouldn't be surprised by Russia taking an active role in revealing just what they were in for with a Hillary presidency... it was all true!

And the US has been meddling in sovereign nations for a century.
The FBI has repudiated such claims. This is the left's version of birtherism.

CPUd
12-13-2016, 03:13 PM
Nobody reads your garbage articles anymore, dude. You post 100 of them a day, and nobody wants to read your fake news. You are a failure.

It's not my article, it's from some dude who writes for The Guardian. Also, personal attacks are non-productive, and probably not the best strategy for you at this time.

ThePaleoLibertarian
12-13-2016, 03:14 PM
It's not my article, it's from some dude who writes for The Guardian.
The Guardian is the worst leftist website on the planet, aside from maybe Buzzfeed.

enhanced_deficit
12-13-2016, 03:15 PM
Sources not named yet, use caution:


Breaking - CIA: Washington Post Russian Hacking Story Is “Outright Lie" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?505325-Breaking-CIA-Washington-Post-Russian-Hacking-Story-Is-%E2%80%9COutright-Lie-quot&)

CPUd
12-13-2016, 03:34 PM
Let's say Russia did hack the emails. What did they do wrong? Tell people the truth? Allow voters to peer into the reality of Washington? There's absolutely no evidence that they hacked voting machines (and indeed, no public evidence that they hacked ANYTHING).

There's all this mainstream malarkey about Russia is trying to "undermine" confidence in the mainstream media, politicians and the like. If that's true, the real issue is that it takes Russia for people to finally get fed up with the shit they've been fed. That's a travesty. I personally think they're just trying to project blame for why no one likes them outward, but still.

There are several different claims that raise several different issues, depending on which are true. The obvious one is hacking into the voting systems, but the only real claims about that have to do with probing (not a big deal because it happens every day and should be expected). Posting the emails is a bit more egregious, because what appears on the surface to be exposing the truth, the long term effect is actually obfuscation of the truth (see the pedo thread). People flat rejecting stories they don't like because of who wrote them is not a good thing. Again, it may seem like a good thing in the short term, but what this is doing is making people more susceptible to propaganda. And this is true both for consumers of major media and alt media.

H. E. Panqui
12-13-2016, 04:31 PM
The Guardian is the worst leftist website on the planet, aside from maybe Buzzfeed.

:confused:

...any honest understanding of 'libertarianism' transcends the worthless republicrat 'left/right' dichotomy..

UWDude
12-13-2016, 05:02 PM
It's not my article, it's from some dude who writes for The Guardian. Also, personal attacks are non-productive, and probably not the best strategy for you at this time.

It's not a personal attack. It is the truth. Your constant posting of 100 mainstream articles a day, has caused your propaganda campaign here to fail. You are a failure.

UWDude
12-13-2016, 05:03 PM
Why did Russia release the emails in June of 2015? Trump was hardly a blip. Jeb was favored, Jeb hates Russia like the rest of the contenders besides rand and Trump. What was Russia's game plan when releasing the DNC hacks in June of 2015? Did Russia also somehow influence and hack the RNC primaries?

CPUd
12-13-2016, 05:07 PM
It's not a personal attack. It is the truth. Your constant posting of 100 mainstream articles a day, has caused your propaganda campaign here to fail. You are a failure.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, though it's evidently not based in fact.

TheCount
12-13-2016, 05:41 PM
The FBI has repudiated such claims. Have they?

AZJoe
12-13-2016, 05:45 PM
It's not my article, it's from some dude who writes for The Guardian.

What a fake cop-out.

But the "dude who writes for the Guardian" is not the one that posted to the thread. Cpud did not randomly select these voluminous posts of articles and memes. Cpud specifically chose them to post and highlight, as a source of credible authority or argument on some topic. UWdude is correct. There is a definite pattern to the choice of the litany of article/pictures selected to post. It is to use these articles to try to make an alleged point or argument. It is disingenuous and spineless to selectively and uniformly saturate the threads with specifically selected MSM articles and memes of discredited propaganda and pretend it is without motive. At least own up to your position. Try to defend it. The cop out that "I'm merely reposting this selectively chosen avalanche of disinformation" is an admission that it is not defensible.

CPUd
12-13-2016, 05:53 PM
Sen. Corker plans probe on Russian hacking

Sen. Bob Corker's Foreign Relations Committee will launch a probe into Russian cyber hacking early next year, according to a spokeswoman.

The panel will hold a classified briefing and an open hearing in January, joining the Senate Armed Services and Intelligence committees in probing the matter. Reports of Russian interference during the U.S. election has raised alarm in both parties and spurred calls for bipartisan probes.

"The committee plans to systematically look at this issue in the broader context of our overall Russia policy," the spokeswoman said. Witnesses and dates have yet to be determined.

Corker was a finalist to be Donald Trump's Secretary of State and will simultaneously hold hearings on Trump's final pick for the state job — ExxonMobil executive Rex Tillerson — even as the the committee investigates Russia. Tillerson has drawn early fire for his close ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin, which Tillerson established while working on energy deals in Russia.

Corker said in an interview Tuesday that Tillerson is "very savvy" and likely prepared to address senators' concerns over Russia.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/bob-corker-russia-hacking-232596

CPUd
12-13-2016, 05:54 PM
What a fake cop-out.

But the "dude who writes for the Guardian" is not the one that posted to the thread. Cpud did not randomly select these voluminous posts of articles and memes. Cpud specifically chose them to post and highlight, as a source of credible authority or argument on some topic. UWdude is correct. There is a definite pattern to the choice of the litany of article/pictures selected to post. It is to use these articles to try to make an alleged point or argument. It is disingenuous and spineless to selectively and uniformly saturate the threads with specifically selected MSM articles and memes of discredited propaganda and pretend it is without motive. At least own up to your position. Try to defend it. The cop out that "I'm merely reposting this selectively chosen avalanche of disinformation" is an admission that it is not defensible.

You're way off base here.

AZJoe
12-13-2016, 06:59 PM
The best thing about this CIA Coup attempt, is that Trump may finally destroy the CIA.
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Now in 3,2,1 Watch Cpud to post Colbert looking more idiotic than ever pushing fake news

CPUd
12-13-2016, 07:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb8GrYdYDi8

AZJoe
12-13-2016, 07:34 PM
Yes, Watch Stephen Colbert fool of Himself with fake news, blast Rex Tillerson for actually being a diplomat (god forbid we actually use diplomacy), and expose his bigotry towards Russian people
http://theduran.com/watch-stephen-colbert-spread-fake-news-blast-rex-tillerson-expose-bigotry-towards-russian-people/

If Stephen Colbert made fun of any other culture in such a manner, it would be blasted as racism and bigotry. … Hollywood elite show off their hypocrisy and bigotry …

Colbert uses that power to spread his liberal religion on to the masses. It’s a religion that has Hillary Clinton as savior, Trump as the devil, and all Russians as lower than life, bumbling Soviet fools, controlled by a strong man dictator.

Colbert seems to always ignore that his liberal ideology has destroyed millions of lives in Iraq, Libya, Serbia, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Syria…while his savior knowingly rigged the primary election against Bernie Sanders, and is now ready to lie about Russian hackers in order to create a constitutional crisis in the USA.

Never mind the small little fact that the RNC was never hacked, that Craig Murray and Julian Assange have both met the individual who leaked the Podesta emails, and that the FBI refuses to corroborate the CIA’s “Russia election hack” story because of lack of evidence. …

AZJoe
12-13-2016, 07:40 PM
Lame Duck Obama Pits US Intelligence Community Vs. President-Elect
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/12/13/lame-duck-president-obama-pits-us-intelligence-community-against-trump.html

President Barack Obama has ordered US spy agencies to prepare “a full review” of alleged Russian hacking related to the 2016 presidential race and malicious cyber activity related to US elections going back to 2008. He will study the report and consider a “proportional” response …
The paper is not to be made public. …

Experts in the field believe (https://medium.com/@jeffreycarr/the-dnc-breach-and-the-hijacking-of-common-sense-20e89dacfc2b#.tm3rasuvz) the accusations against Moscow are groundless. Jeffrey Carr, the founder and CEO of Taia Global. Inc., and the author of Inside Cyber Warfare, says (https://medium.com/@jeffreycarr/the-dnc-breach-and-the-hijacking-of-common-sense-20e89dacfc2b) nothing confirms Russia had any relation to the hacking efforts. …

William Binney, the NSA executive who created the agency’s mass surveillance program for digital information, also questioned (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/08/nsa-whistleblower-nsa-hack-likely-inside-job.html) the allegations of Russia’s involvement. According to him, the probability was that an insider provided the DNC data.

Motherboard magazine cited (http://motherboard.vice.com/read/former-nsa-staffers-rogue-insider-shadow-brokers-theory) its own source saying, “We are 99.9 percent sure that Russia has nothing to do with this and even though all this speculation is more sensational in the media, the insider theory should not be dismissed”. “We think it is the most plausible”, the source noted.

Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks founder said (http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/julian-assange-no-proof-whatsoever-russians-are-behond-dnc-hack/) that “there is no proof whatsoever” that Russian intelligence sources are responsible for hacking thousands of Democratic National Committee emails.

It should be noted that, the only country with a proven record of conducting cyber-attacks on other nations is the United States itself. American military penetrated Iraqi networks during the 2003 invasion and cooperated with Israel to plant Stuxnet to subvert the operations of Iranian nuclear centrifuges in 2009-2010. …

In 2013, Russia and the US agreed on a package of measures (https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/06/17/fact-sheet-us-russian-cooperation-information-and-communications-technol) to boost information security, including information exchange between the computer emergency response teams (CERTs), the use of the existing nuclear hotline to communicate directly in a cyber crisis and the creation of a working group on emerging threats. The process never got off the ground as the US suspended the cooperation over Ukraine.

In 2011, Russia and China submitted a proposal for an international code of conduct for information security (https://ccdcoe.org/sites/default/files/documents/UN-110912-CodeOfConduct_0.pdf) to the United Nations. The document failed (https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2011_11/China_and_Russia_Submit_Cyber_Proposal) to gather sufficient support, with the US leading the opposition. … In its turn, Washington has never launched any international initiative on cyber security. Instead, it openly threatens (http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/10/20/us-openly-threatens-russia-with-cyberwar.html) Russia with cyberwar. …

Looks like the outgoing US administration is ready to go to any length to obstruct the expected efforts of Donald Trump to normalize the relations with Russia. It blames Moscow for everything that goes wrong (http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/09/05/us-russia-blamed-each-every-thing-that-goes-wrong.html). It is in a hurry to take every step (http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/12/10/obama-decides-arm-syrian-militants-plunging-us-unwinnable-war.html) possible to prevent the improvement of bilateral relations. Evidently, the review ordered by President Obama is nothing else but an attempt to pit the intelligence community against Donald Trump. The outgoing administration is sticking to old methods of making sensational accusations to hit headlines without producing supporting evidence …

CPUd
12-13-2016, 07:44 PM
The Perfect Weapon: How Russian Cyberpower Invaded the U.S.


A filing cabinet broken into in 1972 as part of the Watergate burglary now sits beside a computer server that Russian hackers breached during the 2016 presidential campaign, both on display in the basement of the Democratic National Committee’s headquarters in Washington. Credit Justin T. Gellerson for The New York Times

WASHINGTON — When Special Agent Adrian Hawkins of the Federal Bureau of Investigation called the Democratic National Committee in September 2015 to pass along some troubling news about its computer network, he was transferred, naturally, to the help desk.

His message was brief, if alarming. At least one computer system belonging to the D.N.C. had been compromised by hackers federal investigators had named “the Dukes,” a cyberespionage team linked to the Russian government.

The F.B.I. knew it well: The bureau had spent the last few years trying to kick the Dukes out of the unclassified email systems of the White House, the State Department and even the Joint Chiefs of Staff, one of the government’s best-protected networks.

Yared Tamene, the tech-support contractor at the D.N.C. who fielded the call, was no expert in cyberattacks. His first moves were to check Google for “the Dukes” and conduct a cursory search of the D.N.C. computer system logs to look for hints of such a cyberintrusion. By his own account, he did not look too hard even after Special Agent Hawkins called back repeatedly over the next several weeks — in part because he wasn’t certain the caller was a real F.B.I. agent and not an impostor.

“I had no way of differentiating the call I just received from a prank call,” Mr. Tamene wrote in an internal memo, obtained by The New York Times, that detailed his contact with the F.B.I.

It was the cryptic first sign of a cyberespionage and information-warfare campaign devised to disrupt the 2016 presidential election, the first such attempt by a foreign power in American history. What started as an information-gathering operation, intelligence officials believe, ultimately morphed into an effort to harm one candidate, Hillary Clinton, and tip the election to her opponent, Donald J. Trump.

Like another famous American election scandal, it started with a break-in at the D.N.C. The first time, 44 years ago at the committee’s old offices in the Watergate complex, the burglars planted listening devices and jimmied a filing cabinet. This time, the burglary was conducted from afar, directed by the Kremlin, with spear-phishing emails and zeros and ones.

An examination by The Times of the Russian operation — based on interviews with dozens of players targeted in the attack, intelligence officials who investigated it and Obama administration officials who deliberated over the best response — reveals a series of missed signals, slow responses and a continuing underestimation of the seriousness of the cyberattack.

The D.N.C.’s fumbling encounter with the F.B.I. meant the best chance to halt the Russian intrusion was lost. The failure to grasp the scope of the attacks undercut efforts to minimize their impact. And the White House’s reluctance to respond forcefully meant the Russians have not paid a heavy price for their actions, a decision that could prove critical in deterring future cyberattacks.

The low-key approach of the F.B.I. meant that Russian hackers could roam freely through the committee’s network for nearly seven months before top D.N.C. officials were alerted to the attack and hired cyberexperts to protect their systems. In the meantime, the hackers moved on to targets outside the D.N.C., including Mrs. Clinton’s campaign chairman, John D. Podesta, whose private email account was hacked months later.

Even Mr. Podesta, a savvy Washington insider who had written a 2014 report on cyberprivacy for President Obama, did not truly understand the gravity of the hacking.
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Charles Delavan, a Clinton campaign aide, incorrectly legitimized a phishing email sent to the personal account of John D. Podesta, the campaign chairman.

By last summer, Democrats watched in helpless fury as their private emails and confidential documents appeared online day after day — procured by Russian intelligence agents, posted on WikiLeaks and other websites, then eagerly reported on by the American media, including The Times. Mr. Trump gleefully cited many of the purloined emails on the campaign trail.

The fallout included the resignations of Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, the chairwoman of the D.N.C., and most of her top party aides. Leading Democrats were sidelined at the height of the campaign, silenced by revelations of embarrassing emails or consumed by the scramble to deal with the hacking. Though little-noticed by the public, confidential documents taken by the Russian hackers from the D.N.C.’s sister organization, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, turned up in congressional races in a dozen states, tainting some of them with accusations of scandal.

In recent days, a skeptical president-elect, the nation’s intelligence agencies and the two major parties have become embroiled in an extraordinary public dispute over what evidence exists that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia moved beyond mere espionage to deliberately try to subvert American democracy and pick the winner of the presidential election.

Many of Mrs. Clinton’s closest aides believe that the Russian assault had a profound impact on the election, while conceding that other factors — Mrs. Clinton’s weaknesses as a candidate; her private email server; the public statements of the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, about her handling of classified information — were also important.

While there’s no way to be certain of the ultimate impact of the hack, this much is clear: A low-cost, high-impact weapon that Russia had test-fired in elections from Ukraine to Europe was trained on the United States, with devastating effectiveness. For Russia, with an enfeebled economy and a nuclear arsenal it cannot use short of all-out war, cyberpower proved the perfect weapon: cheap, hard to see coming, hard to trace.

“There shouldn’t be any doubt in anybody’s mind,” Adm. Michael S. Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency and commander of United States Cyber Command said at a postelection conference. “This was not something that was done casually, this was not something that was done by chance, this was not a target that was selected purely arbitrarily,” he said. “This was a conscious effort by a nation-state to attempt to achieve a specific effect.”

For the people whose emails were stolen, this new form of political sabotage has left a trail of shock and professional damage. Neera Tanden, president of the Center for American Progress and a key Clinton supporter, recalls walking into the busy Clinton transition offices, humiliated to see her face on television screens as pundits discussed a leaked email in which she had called Mrs. Clinton’s instincts “suboptimal.”

“It was just a sucker punch to the gut every day,” Ms. Tanden said. “It was the worst professional experience of my life.”

The United States, too, has carried out cyberattacks, and in decades past the C.I.A. tried to subvert foreign elections. But the Russian attack is increasingly understood across the political spectrum as an ominous historic landmark — with one notable exception: Mr. Trump has rejected the findings of the intelligence agencies he will soon oversee as “ridiculous,” insisting that the hacker may be American, or Chinese, but that “they have no idea.”

...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dnc.html

KEEF
12-13-2016, 07:49 PM
Let's say Russia did hack the emails. What did they do wrong? Tell people the truth? Allow voters to peer into the reality of Washington? There's absolutely no evidence that they hacked voting machines (and indeed, no public evidence that they hacked ANYTHING).

There's all this mainstream malarkey about Russia is trying to "undermine" confidence in the mainstream media, politicians and the like. If that's true, the real issue is that it takes Russia for people to finally get fed up with the $#@! they've been fed. That's a travesty. I personally think they're just trying to project blame for why no one likes them outward, but still.
I totally agree with this assessment.

nikcers
12-13-2016, 08:46 PM
Even were all of this true, the Russians stand accused of....what exactly? Telling Americans the truth about their own government? I should be offended about this? It's not provable but Breitbart and other "alt right" websites curated popular opinions during the Republican primaries, conservatives so disgusted with the blatantly obvious msm propaganda outlets flocked to those websites. The astrotrunping on other websites was so bad I came here to read and discuss real policy. You can only read so many fake articles about Rand Paul floundering before you tune it out. Whatever that means it sounds dull.

Whether you think the establishment would use propaganda to stop Rand Paul is one thing. I know it's a stretch that Russia and the Republican establishment would ally against conservatives but not when you look at the masters they both serve.

CPUd
12-13-2016, 09:11 PM
It's not provable but Breitbart and other "alt right" websites curated popular opinions during the Republican primaries, conservatives so disgusted with the blatantly obvious msm propaganda outlets flocked to those websites. The astrotrunping on other websites was so bad I came here to read and discuss real policy. You can only read so many fake articles about Rand Paul floundering before you tune it out. Whatever that means it sounds dull.

Whether you think the establishment would use propaganda to stop Rand Paul is one thing. I know it's a stretch that Russia and the Republican establishment would ally against conservatives but not when you look at the masters they both serve.

Yes, they were astrotrumping against Rand several years before he even launched his campaign. They even tried to set up in Rand's forum.

nikcers
12-13-2016, 09:36 PM
Yes, they were astrotrumping against Rand several years before he even launched his campaign. They even tried to set up in Rand's forum. It was just a conspiracy theory for me until he made Bannon such a huge part of his platform. He already won. I bought the MSM story, Trump was going to get elected and fill his cabinet full of people and names I've never heard before- I was expecting Trump to be picking people, not the RNC. Yeah there are some CEO's but an oil CEO for secretary of state is not really unexpected.


I always assumed the EXXON CEO'S were the ones pulling the strings for the Mccains, and Romney's and when those CEO's told someone like Trump to go promote someone like Mitt Romney or Netenyahu he listened, because 400 billion is bigger than 4 billion. We all know at a certain level corporations are like a giant game of pockets where the guy with the bigger amount of money in his pocket can almost always walk away with a guy's pocket who has less money than him.

enhanced_deficit
12-13-2016, 11:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb8GrYdYDi8

Could it be that it was not Putin but was Tim Kaine who caused Hillary's election defeat?

Warning: graphic language

Snoop Dogg Blame Tim Kaine For Hillary Clinton's Loss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usg4rJyw-Q4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usg4rJyw-Q4

Danke
12-14-2016, 12:03 AM
Can always rely on Cpud to prop up the most absurd of stories, towing the neocon/msm propaganda.

But she'll keep on posting from the propaganda media, and give asinine "I'm innocent, not really a Hilllary backer, etc."


LOL this is political theatrics, you shouldn't be offended by any of it.

nikcers
12-14-2016, 12:14 AM
Could it be that it was not Putin but was Tim Kaine who caused Hillary's election defeat? Well yes here is where I think the primaries were rigged in both parties, and so was the election but Russia foiled the rigging in the primaries which spoiled the election. The establishment wanted someone to keep the status quo, and Clinton fit the bill. They wanted to run someone who would lose against Clinton. The establishment is still in control of all three branches of government, but Russia got to undermine our integrity which made us look phoney to failing banana republics that decide balances of power. They establishment isn't mad that Trump is president, they are mad that the anti Russian intelligence got leaked.

So this republican/democrat WWE theater is just what it is, they are trying to make Americans think this is a republican versus democrat thing, not the American government trying to cover up the fact that we are still trying to undermine the Russian government. That's why every article is how the new president is pro Russian government, and his secretary of state is an oil CEO who wants to grab Russia economy by the pussy, and they let him do it too.

enhanced_deficit
12-14-2016, 12:44 AM
That is very interesting angle and flowing analogies. On that note, do you think Trump is going to grab Obama's legacy by the elbow or something ?
J/K :)

nikcers
12-14-2016, 12:59 AM
That is very interesting angle and flowing analogies. On that note, do you think Trump is going to grab Obama's legacy by the elbow or something ?
J/K :) Well the official story is more compelling I guess, We got attacked by people from Saudi Arabia so we have to let the government snoop into our electronic communications to protect us from people hiding in caves. I just know that if the government needed to stop foreign governments from stealing American secrets then they are going to target the people leaking them.

ThePaleoLibertarian
12-14-2016, 01:34 AM
There are several different claims that raise several different issues, depending on which are true. The obvious one is hacking into the voting systems, but the only real claims about that have to do with probing (not a big deal because it happens every day and should be expected). Posting the emails is a bit more egregious, because what appears on the surface to be exposing the truth, the long term effect is actually obfuscation of the truth (see the pedo thread). People flat rejecting stories they don't like because of who wrote them is not a good thing. Again, it may seem like a good thing in the short term, but what this is doing is making people more susceptible to propaganda. And this is true both for consumers of major media and alt media.
How does it do that, exactly?

ThePaleoLibertarian
12-14-2016, 01:36 AM
:confused:

...any honest understanding of 'libertarianism' transcends the worthless republicrat 'left/right' dichotomy..
No it doesn't. Left and right are seen throughout history and across civilizations. The reason it seems that there's no distinction is that both parties are to the left. Today's progressive is tomorrow's conservative.

anaconda
12-14-2016, 01:51 AM
Assange said Russia didn't hack the emails:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/3/julian-assange-wikileaks-we-can-say-russian-govern/

CPUd
12-14-2016, 01:58 AM
How does it do that, exactly?

People are being told what to make of them and herded into echo chambers. One group is saying nothing to see here, another is saying there are a bunch of pedos talking in secret code.

timosman
12-14-2016, 03:10 AM
People are being told what to make of them and herded into echo chambers. One group is saying nothing to see here, another is saying there are a bunch of pedos talking in secret code.

What about assholes who keep making the same point ad nauseam?

AZJoe
12-14-2016, 06:19 AM
Posting the emails is a bit more egregious, because what appears on the surface to be exposing the truth, the long term effect is actually obfuscation of the truth

OMG: Talk about Orwellian Newspeak. Per the Cpud, Ignorance is Knowldege, and Revealing Truth obfuscates truth.
Much better to keep the crime and corruption hidden. Ignorance is bliss. Must have the Cpud/government/MSM determine what you are allowed to know.
Only the overlords shall determine what is truth and tell you what you are to believe. No thinking, analyzing or assessing for yourselves.

"Ignorance is Strength
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery"
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-b_o4eExaWwM/UXmanbOL28I/AAAAAAAAtDs/Fmlw8ePsi5o/s1600/11=newspeak.jpg


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nikcers
12-14-2016, 07:11 AM
Assange said Russia didn't hack the emails:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/3/julian-assange-wikileaks-we-can-say-russian-govern/
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H. E. Panqui
12-14-2016, 09:20 AM
the paleolibertarian writes: No it doesn't. Left and right are seen throughout history and across civilizations. The reason it seems that there's no distinction is that both parties are to the left. Today's progressive is tomorrow's conservative.

:confused:

...concisely, what are the important differences, distinctions, etc. between 'left' and 'right?' :confused:

AZJoe
12-14-2016, 10:39 AM
Payback?

That's a valid point. Even if the Washington Post's specific allegations of foreign interference [ignoring of course Saudi Araba, UAE and other governments donations to Clinton Inc. or AIPAC foreign lobbying group] had merit, Washington has absolutely no basis to complain at all. Washington has completely legitimized that its perfectly acceptable to interfere in other countries elections seeing as Washington's interferences in foreign elections numbers well into the thousands.

As Bruce Fein points out:

" Any sensible, fair minded congressional inquiry should begin with public testimonies from the U.S. intelligence community giving chapter and verse of every instance since the creation of the CIA in 1947 in which the United States covertly sought to influence the outcome of a foreign election. The number is probably several thousand, including post-Soviet elections in Ukraine, Georgia, and Russia. Our actions have encouraged our adversaries to better our instruction"

Jamesiv1
12-14-2016, 12:37 PM
And Saudi Arabia and whoever else was not trying to help Hillary Clinton? They gave her a truckload of money, for sure.
Quote from ShoeOnHead's video titled "The Literal Shakening"

"I bet Saudi Arabia is *really* wanting their money back from Hillary Clinton right now."

lol

GunnyFreedom
12-14-2016, 11:44 PM
the paleolibertarian writes: No it doesn't. Left and right are seen throughout history and across civilizations. The reason it seems that there's no distinction is that both parties are to the left. Today's progressive is tomorrow's conservative.

:confused:

...concisely, what are the important differences, distinctions, etc. between 'left' and 'right?' :confused:

It depends on who you ask, and the culture in which they reside. The scale is a bit different from the UK to the US to various European and other nations. Most individuals have completely different criteria to define left and right for themselves.

The only rational and consistent model of "left" and "right" is the one I am sure he is referring to, described pretty well by John McManus in this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45apySb26AE

Basically, he is saying that our government is and has been, far to the left of "a government that protects individual liberty" for a very long time.

This left-right political spectrum places total government on the left, and total anarchy on the right. Under this paradigm, the bigger the government, the more leftist.

It's not precisely what others are talking about when they say left vs right, but the "popular" notion of left and right usually boils down to which claimant to the direction they feel most akin to. So I choose a logical and consistent standard instead of a subjective and vague standard. Total government on the left vs no government on the right.

Under that paradigm, nearly every government since Jefferson, with the possible exceptions of Cleveland and Coolidge have been leftist. Some might even argue (myself not included) that Lincoln was right-oriented because right is liberty and he freed the slaves. What he really did is free one people from bondage and used that event to enslave an entire nation. One of the most progressive-left Presidents in history, he turned the US de facto totalitarian even if some of our despots have since been 'benevolent.'

H. E. Panqui
12-16-2016, 08:46 AM
gunny freedom writes: It depends on who you ask, and the culture in which they reside. The scale is a bit different from the UK to the US to various European and other nations. Most individuals have completely different criteria to define left and right for themselves....This left-right political spectrum places total government on the left, and total anarchy on the right. Under this paradigm, the bigger the government, the more leftist....


...this ^^^ is one of the points i was going to make...btw, you did it better than i would have...

...i sicken of self-described 'right-wing' radio republican/conservative apologists who claim, for one example, that jimmy carter was a 'big government leftist' while they claim that stinking ronald reagan [who signed virtually every spending bill on the way to a tripling of 'carter's debt' and a doubling of carter's budget] was some small :rolleyes: government right-winger...

...btw, virtually every stinking republican/conservative 'right winger' with a microphone [and their cheerleaders] fits this ^^^ description....bolstering my point/belief that the stinking 'left/right dichotomy' as used by republicans [and democrats] is worse than worthless...

AZJoe
12-16-2016, 06:11 PM
Ben Swann weights in on Reality Check:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNIrPLHVfdI

CPUd
12-17-2016, 01:00 AM
FBI backs CIA view that Russia intervened to help Trump win election


FBI Director James B. Comey and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. are in agreement with a CIA assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election in part to help Donald Trump win the presidency, according to U.S. officials.

Comey’s support for the CIA’s conclusion — and officials say that he never changed his position — suggests that the leaders of the three agencies are in agreement on Russian intentions, contrary to suggestions by some lawmakers that the FBI disagreed with the CIA.

“Earlier this week, I met separately with (Director) FBI James Comey and DNI Jim Clapper, and there is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature, and intent of Russian interference in our presidential election,” CIA Director John Brennan said in a message to the agency’s workforce, according to U.S. officials who have seen the message.

“The three of us also agree that our organizations, along with others, need to focus on completing the thorough review of this issue that has been directed by President Obama and which is being led by the DNI,” Brennan’s message read.

The Washington Post's Greg Miller explains what President-elect Donald Trump's clash with the CIA over Russia's suspected election interference means and how it started. (The Washington Post)

Trump has consistently dismissed the intelligence community’s findings about Russian hacking.

The CIA and FBI declined to comment.

The CIA shared its latest assessment with key senators in a closed-door briefing on Capitol Hill about two weeks ago in which agency officials cited a growing body of intelligence from multiple sources. Specifically, CIA briefers told the senators it was now “quite clear” that electing Trump was one of Russia’s goals, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.

CIA and FBI officials do not think Russia had a “single purpose” by intervening during the presidential campaign. In addition to helping Trump, intelligence officials have told lawmakers that Moscow’s other goal included undermining confidence in the U.S. electoral system.

A separate House intelligence briefing by a senior FBI counterintelligence official last week left some Republican and Democratic lawmakers with the impression that the bureau wasn’t on the same page as the CIA, according to officials present.

“The truth is they were never all that different in the first place,” an official said of the FBI and CIA positions.

In his message to the CIA’s workforce, Brennan said the administration has provided detailed briefings to lawmakers and their aides since the summer.

“In recent days, I have had several conversations with members of Congress, providing an update on the status of the review as well as the considerations that need to be taken into account as we proceed,” Brennan wrote. “Many – but unfortunately not all – members understand and appreciate the importance and the gravity of the issue, and they are very supportive of the process that is underway.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-backs-cia-view-that-russia-intervened-to-help-trump-win-election/2016/12/16/05b42c0e-c3bf-11e6-9a51-cd56ea1c2bb7_story.html

r3volution 3.0
12-17-2016, 01:41 AM
IMO, Russia clearly tried to damage Hillary (who they assumed would win).

Towards the end, they may have acted in anticipation of Trump being competitive .

If they actually supported Trump, it would of course have been because of his disability.

Putin, or any other foreign head of state, would obviously love to deal with a retard.

timosman
12-17-2016, 03:12 AM
IMO, Russia clearly tried to damage Hillary (who they assumed would win).

Towards the end, they may have acted in anticipation of Trump being competitive .

If they actually supported Trump, it would of course have been because of his disability.

Putin, or any other foreign head of state, would obviously love to deal with a retard.

So were you. Should you stand a trial?

timosman
12-17-2016, 01:44 PM
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AZJoe
12-17-2016, 01:49 PM
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15578487_1559403260743523_1839043729556545357_n.jp g?oh=05f0796c3f7e139cc667679924e7ed17&oe=58B0EF07

KEEF
12-17-2016, 03:12 PM
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WINNER, WINNIER, CHICKEN DINNER!

AZJoe
12-21-2016, 07:00 PM
Glenn Greenwald interviewed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyO598rIA7I