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scm
12-07-2016, 04:59 PM
"While some of Trump's previous administration picks have raised an eyebrow or two in the past two weeks, his choice of Linda McMahon, pro wrestling mogul and wife of WWE legend Vince McMahon, to head the Small Business Administration will likely be his most scrutizined yet."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-07/trump-picks-pro-wrsteling-mogul-linda-mcmahon-run-small-business-administration (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-07/trump-picks-pro-wrsteling-mogul-linda-mcmahon-run-small-business-administration)

presence
12-07-2016, 05:30 PM
This is no less insulting than if Trump had picked someone from the Wal-Mart board.

http://deadspin.com/donald-trump-names-wwes-linda-mcmahon-to-head-small-bus-1789799323



Linda donated $6 million (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/16/wwe-co-founder-linda-mcmahon-gave-6-million-to-pro-trump-super-pac/) to a super PAC funding Trump’s presidential campaign

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have given $5 million (https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/806609956732473344)to the Trump Foundation

eleganz
12-07-2016, 05:39 PM
She's had political aspirations in the past, I believe she ran for Senate before and lost. They probably gave a lot to Trump for his campaign but I believe they're also friends.

scm
12-07-2016, 05:39 PM
http://deadspin.com/donald-trump-names-wwes-linda-mcmahon-to-head-small-bus-1789799323
You left out the best part

It is hard to think of any person whose life work has been more inimical to workers, and indeed to small businesses, than McMahon. WWE has made untold profits from using labor loopholes to classify its employees as “independent contractors,” denying them overtime despite grueling travel schedules and health care despite the physical toll taken by the job. WWE has made aggressive use of industry tax credits designed to create jobs even as it laid off workers (http://articles.courant.com/2010-10-01/business/hc-world-wrestling-entertainment-film20101001_1_film-tax-credits-wwe-linda-mcmahon), and smothered even the slightest unionization efforts. Her company has obtained a de facto monopoly in the pro wrestling business through a ruthless campaign of crushing, suing, and pricing out competitors, many of them actual small businesses. This is no less insulting than if Trump had picked someone from the Wal-Mart board.

#MAGA, LOL

jonhowe
12-07-2016, 06:50 PM
Donald Trump bodyslams, beats and shaves Vince McMahon at Wrestlemania XXIII


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMKFIHRpe7I

Jamesiv1
12-07-2016, 07:01 PM
Fake news

anaconda
12-07-2016, 07:24 PM
You left out the best part

It is hard to think of any person whose life work has been more inimical to workers, and indeed to small businesses, than McMahon. WWE has made untold profits from using labor loopholes to classify its employees as “independent contractors,” denying them overtime despite grueling travel schedules and health care despite the physical toll taken by the job. WWE has made aggressive use of industry tax credits designed to create jobs even as it laid off workers (http://articles.courant.com/2010-10-01/business/hc-world-wrestling-entertainment-film20101001_1_film-tax-credits-wwe-linda-mcmahon), and smothered even the slightest unionization efforts. Her company has obtained a de facto monopoly in the pro wrestling business through a ruthless campaign of crushing, suing, and pricing out competitors, many of them actual small businesses. This is no less insulting than if Trump had picked someone from the Wal-Mart board.

#MAGA, LOL

Use the statist laws to your advantage. Or go out of business.

anaconda
12-07-2016, 07:25 PM
At least Trump is being consistent with his Big Time Wrestling model for government.

dannno
12-07-2016, 07:27 PM
She's had political aspirations in the past, I believe she ran for Senate before and lost. They probably gave a lot to Trump for his campaign but I believe they're also friends.

She ran against Peter Schiff...

specsaregood
12-07-2016, 07:29 PM
You left out the best part

It is hard to think of any person whose life work has been more inimical to workers, and indeed to small businesses, than McMahon. WWE has made untold profits from using labor loopholes to classify its employees as “independent contractors,” denying them overtime despite grueling travel schedules and health care despite the physical toll taken by the job. WWE has made aggressive use of industry tax credits designed to create jobs even as it laid off workers (http://articles.courant.com/2010-10-01/business/hc-world-wrestling-entertainment-film20101001_1_film-tax-credits-wwe-linda-mcmahon), and smothered even the slightest unionization efforts. Her company has obtained a de facto monopoly in the pro wrestling business through a ruthless campaign of crushing, suing, and pricing out competitors, many of them actual small businesses. This is no less insulting than if Trump had picked someone from the Wal-Mart board.

#MAGA, LOL

Are you a libertarian arguing in favor of the labor laws and has a problem with independent contractors? So what if they have smothered unionization effforts and priced out competitors! You aren't seriously arguing that the govt should have stopped that are you?

Oh noes, the WWE has made untold profits! The horror.

Jamesiv1
12-07-2016, 07:53 PM
Donald Trump bodyslams, beats and shaves Vince McMahon at Wrestlemania XXIII


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMKFIHRpe7I
Look up American Greatness in the dictionary and it will have this video.

CPUd
12-07-2016, 07:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKM1AAzeRCg

Zippyjuan
12-07-2016, 07:57 PM
For a guy who said he would not be giving any favors to people who contributed to his campaign since he had so much money and didn't need to sell influence and can't even be influenced, he is sure giving a lot of them jobs in his administration. Pay to play is still in effect.

scm
12-08-2016, 06:39 AM
Are you a libertarian arguing in favor of the labor laws and has a problem with independent contractors? So what if they have smothered unionization effforts and priced out competitors! You aren't seriously arguing that the govt should have stopped that are you?

Oh noes, the WWE has made untold profits! The horror.

You aren't seriously arguing that she's good for this position, are you?

Schifference
12-08-2016, 08:12 AM
Who better to run a security organization than a professional thief?

CaptUSA
12-08-2016, 08:16 AM
Did her pick her by her p.......?

specsaregood
12-08-2016, 08:27 AM
You aren't seriously arguing that she's good for this position, are you?

I don't really know enough about her to say she is or is not; but everything you said indicates she might be good in the position as she learned about the many difficulties of growing a business and how to succeed anyways. Did the WWE get where they are via govt handouts and govt aid? If not, then, "yes" I'd give her a shot.

scm
12-08-2016, 08:42 AM
I don't really know enough about her to say she is or is not; but everything you said indicates she might be good in the position as she learned about the many difficulties of growing a business and how to succeed anyways. Did the WWE get where they are via govt handouts and govt aid? If not, then, "yes" I'd give her a shot.


This is how a libertarian operates. Honest and principled. They don't game the system for their benefit, then take it over to "make sure other can't do what they did".

Ron Paul returns over $140,000 from his office budget to the U.S. Treasury
http://ivn.us/2011/04/02/ron-paul-returns-over-140000-his-office-budget-us-treasury/

specsaregood
12-08-2016, 08:50 AM
This is how a libertarian operates. Honest and principled. They don't game the system for their benefit, then take it over to "make sure other can't do what they did".

Ron Paul returns over $140,000 from his office budget to the U.S. Treasury
http://ivn.us/2011/04/02/ron-paul-returns-over-140000-his-office-budget-us-treasury/

you are comparing an awesome person like Dr. Paul returning his unspent govt office budget from taxes stolen, to a person trying to run a business in a hostile environment? lol you people are delusional. why don't you go back to moaning about all the untold profits she helped the WWE earn. the horror.

scm
12-08-2016, 09:06 AM
you are comparing an awesome person like Dr. Paul returning his unspent govt office budget from taxes stolen, to a person trying to run a business in a hostile environment? lol you people are delusional. why don't you go back to moaning about all the untold profits she helped the WWE earn. the horror.


"WWE has made aggressive use of industry tax credits designed to create jobs even as it laid off workers (http://articles.courant.com/2010-10-01/business/hc-world-wrestling-entertainment-film20101001_1_film-tax-credits-wwe-linda-mcmahon)"

PFFT

helmuth_hubener
12-08-2016, 09:15 AM
You left out the best part:
WWE has made untold profits from using labor loopholes to classify its employees as “independent contractors,” denying them overtime despite grueling travel schedules and health care despite the physical toll taken by the job.

Uh huh. Something tells me you may find Presence quite insufficiently horrified by the Unspeakabke Evil that is hiring people as Independent contractors instead of good, taxed, regulated, withheld-from and tracked Employees like every Virtuous, Civic-Minded Business Establishment insists on doing.

Yes, he might not be as bitter as you are nor as hopped-up about our National Need to stomp out the phenomenon of voluntary people voluntarily contracting with each other to provide services and exchange funds. With your need to shame any such participants in such shenanigans, demanding they stay far away from any position of leadership or admiration. Such people only deserve to be hated and spit upon, right scm?

And "untold profits!" Why, that's beyond the pale! Right, Presence?

Ha ha ha ha ha! And you thought Presence would agree with you! Ha, ha, ha!!!

specsaregood
12-08-2016, 09:40 AM
"WWE has made aggressive use of industry tax credits designed to create jobs even as it laid off workers (http://articles.courant.com/2010-10-01/business/hc-world-wrestling-entertainment-film20101001_1_film-tax-credits-wwe-linda-mcmahon)"

PFFT

And? Seriously? A business should be able to fire and lay off workers whenever and wherever it wants. And they should definitely use whatever tax credits they can legally use. You seem to be on the wrong site, you should go to the DU or something.

scm
12-08-2016, 10:01 AM
Uh huh. Something tells me you may find Presence quite insufficiently horrified by the Unspeakabke Evil that is hiring people as Independent contractors instead of good, taxed, regulated, withheld-from and tracked Employees like every Virtuous, Civic-Minded Business Establishment insists on doing.

Yes, he might not be as bitter as you are nor as hopped-up about our National Need to stomp out the phenomenon of voluntary people voluntarily contracting with each other to provide services and exchange funds. With your need to shame any such participants in such shenanigans, demanding they stay far away from any position of leadership or admiration. Such people only deserve to be hated and spit upon, right scm?

And "untold profits!" Why, that's beyond the pale! Right, Presence?

Ha ha ha ha ha! And you thought Presence would agree with you! Ha, ha, ha!!!

When did I say I agree/disagree with any of it?

helmuth_hubener
12-08-2016, 10:06 AM
When did I say I agree/disagree with any of it?

Very, very Nice Try!!! :D

angelatc
12-08-2016, 10:10 AM
g labor loopholes to classify its employees as “independent contractors,” denying them overtime despite grueling travel schedules and health care.....

#MAGA, LOL

I like how they interchange health insurance with health care.

In my book, making America great doesn't mean forcing employers to pay minimum wages, much less OT and health insurance. Apparently your government model looks different than Ron Paul's?

angelatc
12-08-2016, 10:12 AM
For a guy who said he would not be giving any favors to people who contributed to his campaign since he had so much money and didn't need to sell influence and can't even be influenced, he is sure giving a lot of them jobs in his administration. Pay to play is still in effect.

People pissed when he hired insiders are now butthurt because he hired someone from outside the beltway. #ColorMeShocked

silverhandorder
12-08-2016, 10:31 AM
All I see is snowflakes triggering. MAGA.

Edit; scm needs to disclose that he is a communist.

Krugminator2
12-08-2016, 10:37 AM
You left out the best part

It is hard to think of any person whose life work has been more inimical to workers, and indeed to small businesses, than McMahon. WWE has made untold profits from using labor loopholes to classify its employees as “independent contractors,” denying them overtime despite grueling travel schedules and health care despite the physical toll taken by the job. WWE has made aggressive use of industry tax credits designed to create jobs even as it laid off workers (http://articles.courant.com/2010-10-01/business/hc-world-wrestling-entertainment-film20101001_1_film-tax-credits-wwe-linda-mcmahon), and smothered even the slightest unionization efforts. Her company has obtained a de facto monopoly in the pro wrestling business through a ruthless campaign of crushing, suing, and pricing out competitors, many of them actual small businesses. This is no less insulting than if Trump had picked someone from the Wal-Mart board.

#MAGA, LOL

I guess now I like her.

angelatc
12-08-2016, 10:54 AM
You left out the best part

. This is no less insulting than if Trump had picked someone from the Wal-Mart board.

#MAGA, LOL

Hillary Clinton was a WalMart director for 6 years. (http://www.progressivepress.net/hillary-clinton-was-a-wal-mart-director-for-6-years/)

silverhandorder
12-08-2016, 11:03 AM
Did scm just completely out himself as a communist?

angelatc
12-08-2016, 11:10 AM
[COLOR=#000000]This is how a libertarian operates. Honest and principled. They don't game the system for their benefit, then take it over to "make sure other can't do what they did".

So many strawmen. Libertarians do not operate on the theory that people are honest or principled. She was not in government, therefore she did not game the system. She merely played by the rules other people dictated.

You might be right! She might be taking it over to make sure her industry gets protection. But she might be taking over in order to make sure other people don't have to face the overwhelming obstacles she did. We don't know what she will do.

My biggest hope is simply that Trump fires people who do not perform.

RandallFan
12-08-2016, 09:07 PM
Didn't good guy Schiff come a distant third in the primary. It's not like he would have won.

presence
12-08-2016, 09:45 PM
Pesence?

Ha ha ha ha ha! And you thought Presence would agree with you! Ha, ha, ha!!!

most noteworthy I found her contributions of $11 in Trump's direction more or less buying an appointment; call it what you like

regarding labor laws and the like, I think we're all better off as independent contractors; so meh...
if you want to unionize that's great but I think a business owner is still in the right to tell you gtfo or persuade individuals out of union at will

I really don't know the specifics of her dealings to comment any more... perhaps there's more to it?

I can certainly see how she's out of touch with what I consider "small business"
she's a state capitalist who I'm sure is exercising various state privileges and entitlements; "WWE" etc.
her concerns and interest are far from those on the other side of the spectrum:
your friendly neighborhood small business cash and carry agorist and crew; etal.
in this regard I also poached that comment about walmart, seems fitting

helmuth_hubener
12-09-2016, 09:35 AM
Regarding labor laws and the like, I think we're all better off as independent contractors; so meh...
a business owner is still in the right to tell you gtfo...

NOOOO! NOOOOOOOOOO!!! But they were USING LOOPHOLES! SKIRTING LABOR LAWS! You can't possibly be in favor of that, are you, Presence? Making people who should be Proper Employees into independent contractors is diabolical, cynical, and Un-American! Why can't they just do it by the book and have employees like all the other good businesses in the Chamber of Commerce?

Not that any businesses are actually "good." Business is pretty much inherently evil, as is making money period, right, scm? We need Glorious Unions to protect us from meanie businesses and yucky money.

presence
12-09-2016, 09:56 AM
SKIRTING LABOR LAWS! You can't possibly be in favor of that, are you, Presence?

More noteworthy than leveraging loopholes in labor laws to keep people classified as independents rather than employees are accusations that ring side staff doctors deliberately ignored acute concussion symptoms to limit liability.



“While the WWE knew for decades of the harmful effects of sub-concussive and concussive injuries on a wrestler’s brain, it actively concealed these facts from trainers, wrestlers, and the public,’’ the suit states.

there's a 214 page lawsuit here:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2016/07/18/wrestlers-file-suit-against-wwe-for-concealing-concussion-dangers/iMyGbjD8ZtY58DhS8OXdaK/story.html

WWE is in the same boat as the NFL in a lot of ways; it will be interesting to see where the cards fall with regard to "Duty to Warn"


the company fraudulently failed to warn them about the dangers of head injuries on the job




some excerpts from case law:


the mere fact that the injured person was employed by an independent contractor who was jointly responsible for the unsafe condition, does not relieve the employer from liability. [36] (http://terrenceberres.com/boyle3a2.html#n. 36)Although the employer does not ordinarily sustain safe-place liability for injuries caused by fellow employees, he may do
so if dangerous practices of the employees are known to him and he does nothing about them. [37] (http://terrenceberres.com/boyle3a2.html#n. 37)


The Court said [90]: "The substitute amendment introduced into the bill the requirement that not only the place of employment shall be safe for employees, but that the employment itself shall be safe, and that the employer shall adopt and use such methods and processes not only reasonably adequate to render the place of employment safe, but also reasonably adequate to render the employment safe.


Sandeen v. Willow River Power Co., 214 Wis. 166, 177 (1934): "... The duty to warn is now embodied in the statutory language (101.06) and requires such warning when reasonably necessary to protect the life, health, safety, and welfare of such employees and frequenters.'"http://terrenceberres.com/boyle3a2.html




The 214-page complaint accuses WWE and its owner, Vince McMahon, of putting profits above safety by requiring the performers to engage in maneuvers such as pile drivers, brainbusters, and neckbreakers to wow its crowds and market its products, despite the dangers. For decades, WWE performers in scripted matches struck each other in the head with metal chairs, until the company banned the practice in 2010.

RandallFan
12-09-2016, 01:25 PM
Their son Shane McMahon & son-in-law HHH took punishment as wrestlers.

devil21
12-09-2016, 01:32 PM
At least Trump is being consistent with his Big Time Wrestling model for government.

So far it seems like most of his picks are the definition of trolling. Comical choices, not necessarily because of their qualifications but because of the symbolic nature of them. Carl's Jr, WWE, Goldman everywhere, Chinese transportation secretary, military everywhere, etc. He's pretty much telegraphing where the country is heading and right in everyone's faces. I guess it could be argued we're pretty much already there but damn, what's next?

Perhaps he will direct the budget line for the new Air Force One to be spent on a new batch of "Dildozers" instead.



regarding labor laws and the like, I think we're all better off as independent contractors; so meh...


Independent contracts/self-employed tend to be forced into higher taxes because of "self employment tax". Just sayin...

We're at a point where there are no good solutions leading from the current environment. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.


People pissed when he hired insiders are now butthurt because he hired someone from outside the beltway. #ColorMeShocked

The "swamp" isn't just DC proper, ya know. It's a mindset of crony capitalism, pay to play politics. I think people are more irritated that Trump isn't hiring anybody remotely libertarian or constitutionally minded about anything. Just cycling back in the GWB types and switching back to a more fascist model instead of the last 8 years of a socialist model. And don't expect him to change much enacted during the previous socialist model. Just mixing up versions of authoritarianism...

helmuth_hubener
12-09-2016, 01:50 PM
More noteworthy than leveraging loopholes in labor laws to keep people classified as independents rather than employees are accusations that ring side staff doctors deliberately ignored acute concussion symptoms to limit liability.
You are trying, ttrrrrrrryyyyiiiing, to take scm's side, but your heart just doesn't seem to be in it. :D

presence
12-09-2016, 03:43 PM
You are trying, ttrrrrrrryyyyiiiing, to take scm's side, but your heart just doesn't seem to be in it. :D

flatly, I have no issue with using existing labor laws to classify people as "independent contractors" beyond the fact that I'd rather see no regulation at all; I'd prefer all were treated equally if there is to be any tax law

ultimately they did this for tax purposes and the meaning of the legalese is rather vague and could go either way with semi choreographed performance

via irs.gov


Independent Contractor Defined


Español (https://www.irs.gov/spanish/definicion-de-contratista-independiente) | 中文 (https://www.irs.gov/chinese/%E7%8D%A8%E7%AB%8B%E6%89%BF%E5%8C%85%E4%BA%BA%E5%A E%9A%E7%BE%A9) | 한국어 (https://www.irs.gov/korean/%EB%8F%85%EB%A6%BD%EA%B3%84%EC%95%BD%EC%9E%90%EC%9 D%98-%EC%A0%95%EC%9D%98) | TiếngViệt (https://www.irs.gov/vietnamese/%C3%B0inh-nghia-thau-khoan-%C3%B0oc-lap) | Pусский (https://www.irs.gov/russian/%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D 0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B8%D 0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%80%D1%8F%D0%B4%D1%87%D0%B8%D 0%BA%D0%B0)
People such as doctors, dentists, veterinarians, lawyers, accountants, contractors, subcontractors, public stenographers, or auctioneers who are in an independent trade, business, or profession in which they offer their services to the general public are generally independent contractors. However, whether these people are independent contractors or employees depends on the facts in each case.

The general rule is that an individual is an independent contractor
if the payer has the right to control or direct
only the result of the work
and not what will be done and how it will be done.

The earnings of a person who is working as an independent contractor are subject to Self-Employment Tax.
If you are an independent contractor, you are self-employed. To find out what your tax obligations are, visit the Self-Employed Tax Center (https://www.irs.gov/individuals/self-employed).
You are not an independent contractor if you perform services that can be controlled by an employer (what will be done and how it will be done). This applies even if you are given freedom of action. What matters is that the employer has the legal right to control the details of how the services are performed.
If an employer-employee relationship exists (regardless of what the relationship is called), you are not an independent contractor and your earnings are generally not subject to Self-Employment Tax (https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/self-employment-tax-social-security-and-medicare-taxes).
However, your earnings as an employee may be subject to FICA (Social Security tax and Medicare) and income tax withholding.
For more information on determining whether you are an independent contractor or an employee, refer to the section on Independent Contractors or Employees (https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/independent-contractor-self-employed-or-employee).

helmuth_hubener
12-22-2016, 09:14 AM
When did I say I agree/disagree with any of it?

Come on, scm , where'd you go? Don't you want to defend your position? Don't scuttle away and hide leaving Presence (who doesn't even agree with you!) to half-heartedly defend you. Come stand up for your anti-business bitterness!