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timosman
12-05-2016, 11:11 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soloish/wp/2016/12/05/trumps-election-stole-my-desire-to-look-for-a-partner/


By Stephanie Land December 5

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In August, I went on six dates in one week. I had decided that I was ready to look for a partner. Enough of this dating unavailable men a half-decade younger than me. They’d never seriously consider a relationship with me, my two children and our needy dog. No. I wanted to find an equal. A man who wouldn’t feel the need to step in and rescue me. I didn’t need rescuing.

But I knew deep down that was only partially true. I often felt the sort of loneliness that settled in my stomach, starting from a chaotic afternoon with my children, lasting well into the night when I pulled covers tight around my chin.

I’ve been on my own with my kids for most of the past decade. I have no idea what a supportive partner would even look like in my house. I imagined it as some sort of potluck: We’d both bring the things we have to offer and place them on the table. My ability to multitask and keep everyone’s schedules on track would sit next to his ability to fix cars, cook or read books in silly voices. Then we’d feast.

Of the six first dates I had in August, two men seemed promising. One of them met me at a brewery. We chatted happily through two beers. Finally I was out of a job interview mode I’d fallen into while sitting across from strangers. I relaxed. I laughed. And it wasn’t the laugh I did just because. It was real.

We dated for a few weeks before he admitted he wasn’t ready for something serious. Two days later, the other of those good dates called me out of the blue. We talked for a while, and I asked him to dinner. Things were falling into place. A feast was laid out on the table, and it looked delicious.

But two weeks later, the election happened. Once it was clear that Donald Trump would be president instead of Hillary Clinton, I felt sick to my stomach. I wanted to gather my children in bed with me and cling to them like we would if thunder and lightning were raging outside, with winds high enough that they power might go out. The world felt that precarious to me.

My oldest came out of her room the next morning to show me the money the Tooth Fairy had left her. She’d unexpectedly had to have a tooth pulled, and so bravely went through it that I said, “Just think: You’ll always remember the day you got a tooth pulled with the day we elected our first female president.”

When I told her Trump had won, she protested: “But Mom. You said Hillary was going to win.”

“A lot of people thought the same thing,” I said. I hugged her, a little scared to send her to school, out into the big sky country of the red state where we live.

Twenty minutes later, at a stoplight on the way to drop off my 2-year-old daughter at day care, steam started creeping out from under the hood of my car. Fortunately my mechanic’s shop was nearby.

My radiator was cracked in two places, right at the top. “I really wouldn’t feel comfortable with you driving it,” one of the mechanics said. Luckily a new radiator could easily be obtained and installed that day. I thanked them.

I didn’t start crying until I had crossed the street to walk home. We had a few miles to go, so I carried my daughter. I didn’t mind carrying her; I still had that urge to cling to her and keep her close. It was cold that morning, but the sun started to warm us enough to remove our hats. Halfway home, my tears stopped, and my despair grew to appreciation.

I have the means to fix our car. I, on my own, can support my family. I not only have the strength to keep it together mentally and emotionally but I also have the strength to carry my daughter home. I have the strength to carry all of us.

That urge to cling to my family while keeping our foundation strong didn’t mesh well with continuing to date the man I’d been seeing. He also has a daughter. He, too, had been feeling a lot of the same emotions I was experiencing: hopelessness; fear; uncertainty about the future; panic over having to talk to my 9-year-old about anything that might come up at school, or what to do in the instance of sexual assault. But I couldn’t reach out to him anymore. He was too new, too unfamiliar.

My focus had to be on my community of friends that are my family. I need to fiercely love the people close to me instead of learning to love someone new. To reach out to others could weaken the bonds that hold my family together.

“I can’t,” I told him. “I just can’t.”

I’ve lost the desire to attempt the courtship phase. The future is uncertain. I am not the optimistic person I was on the morning of Nov. 8, wearing a T-shirt with “Nasty Woman” written inside a red heart. It makes me want to cry thinking of that. Of seeing my oldest in the shirt I bought her in Washington, D.C., that says “Future President.”

There is no room for dating in this place of grief. Dating means hope. I’ve lost that hope in seeing the words “President-elect Trump.”

The Northbreather
12-05-2016, 11:29 PM
Bullet dodged fella.

Anti Federalist
12-06-2016, 12:21 AM
Run away!

Anti Federalist
12-06-2016, 12:22 AM
Will be a bitter lesbian in 10 years

oyarde
12-06-2016, 12:36 AM
Pfft , I lost a case of rice krispy treats to a guy in Penn. . Thats what Trump cost me. This is why Trump carried Penn. , the Good Lord knew I did not need a case of rice krispy treats.

dannno
12-06-2016, 12:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAAqL2A6V6s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1xf78EltKM

Cleaner44
12-06-2016, 12:45 AM
The good news is that this woman probably won't be reproducing any more.

Natural Citizen
12-06-2016, 02:56 AM
She got issues.

Danke
12-06-2016, 03:15 AM
What happen to the father(s) of the children?

John F Kennedy III
12-06-2016, 03:59 AM
Bye bye

Suzanimal
12-06-2016, 06:43 AM
What happen to the father(s) of the children?

You have to ask.

LOL, she has three kids. I guess Obama made her horny.:D

Jesse James
12-06-2016, 07:07 AM
YIKES!

tod evans
12-06-2016, 07:27 AM
What happen to the father(s) of the children?

They're writing checks and bitter..

How else do you think she's "able to support her family by herself"?

fisharmor
12-06-2016, 07:43 AM
When I was in my early 20s and unmarried, I was watching a nature show about lions.
It pointed out that when a pride loses its leader, a wandering male will come take over the pride.
The first thing he does is kill all the cubs.

I remember thinking, I'm glad we're not lions, but they sure got it figured out.

Suzanimal
12-06-2016, 07:59 AM
Trump’s erection stole my desire to look for a partner

How I keep seeing this headline.

specsaregood
12-06-2016, 08:03 AM
How I keep seeing this headline.

Because you know the truth is that she really thinks that Big Daddy Trump govt is going to take care of her just as completely as Big Momma govt has in the past.

fedupinmo
12-06-2016, 08:11 AM
Will be a bitter lesbian in 10 years
She's spent the better part of a decade being that already. :D
She will spend the rest of her life demanding that everyone around her be a woman so she can be a woman too.

presence
12-06-2016, 08:32 AM
They're writing checks and bitter..

How else do you think she's "able to support her family by herself"?

bingo

subsidize failed marriages and you get more of them

give dad the boot and earn instant entitlement to have uncle steal from your neighbors on your behalf

jllundqu
12-06-2016, 09:12 AM
Bullet dodged, indeed!

And her selfish delusion will deprive her children of having a man and father figure in their life.... contributing to the next generation of effeminate androgynous wieners that couldn't change a tire, build a fire, or fight for something worth fighting for. smh

otherone
12-06-2016, 09:14 AM
They're writing checks and bitter..

How else do you think she's "able to support her family by herself"?

http://i.imgur.com/f7FdEdG.jpg

FunkBuddha
12-06-2016, 10:07 AM
Bullet dodged, indeed!

And her selfish delusion will deprive her children of having a man and father figure in their life.... contributing to the next generation of effeminate androgynous wieners that couldn't change a tire, build a fire, or fight for something worth fighting for. smh

Perhaps if she had a man around he could have taught her children how to change out that busted radiator. Except that she'd probably marry one of those effeminate androgynous wieners that can't do shit for themselves either. I'm not saying a woman can't change out a radiator, by the way, just that this particular one couldn't.

specsaregood
12-06-2016, 10:17 AM
Perhaps if she had a man around he could have taught her children how to change out that busted radiator. Except that she'd probably marry one of those effeminate androgynous wieners that can't do shit for themselves either. I'm not saying a woman can't change out a radiator, by the way, just that this particular one couldn't.

Except for she says specifically that she imagined having a partner that could fix cars:


I’ve been on my own with my kids for most of the past decade. I have no idea what a supportive partner would even look like in my house. I imagined it as some sort of potluck: We’d both bring the things we have to offer and place them on the table. My ability to multitask and keep everyone’s schedules on track would sit next to his ability to fix cars, cook or read books in silly voices. Then we’d feast.


Which I was going to say is kinda sexist of her to assume those roles on her imaginary partner.

Brian4Liberty
12-06-2016, 10:32 AM
“A lot of people thought the same thing,” I said. I hugged her, a little scared to send her to school, out into the big sky country of the red state where we live.

She fled California because it got too "edgy" after she supported every leftist, bleeding heart, Big Mommy position imaginable, and now she is infecting Montana.

tod evans
12-06-2016, 10:38 AM
She fled California because it got too "edgy" after she supported every leftist, bleeding heart, Big Mommy position imaginable, and now she is infecting Montana.

She played her cards as countless women before her, have kids in a high income/high child support state and once 'awarded' her breeders salary move to a more cost effective area...

helmuth_hubener
12-06-2016, 11:32 AM
They’d never seriously consider a relationship with me, my two children and our needy dog. Good! Neither should anyone else! Single mothers should be toxic! Becoming a single mother should be a personal calamity of such enormity that women take all possible means to avoid it.

But, what do I know? I'm just old-fashioned. I'm sure society will be just fine with about 50% of kids being raised by single moms. Ju-u-u-st fi-i-i-i-innne.

Working Poor
12-06-2016, 11:50 AM
Good! Neither should anyone else! Single mothers should be toxic! Becoming a single mother should be a personal calamity of such enormity that women take all possible means to avoid it.

But, what do I know? I'm just old-fashioned. I'm sure society will be just fine with about 50% of kids being raised by single moms. Ju-u-u-st fi-i-i-i-innne.

Why do men leave their families? I think men are every bit as irresponsible as women. For every child born there is a man involved and they should not be allowed to slouch out on the responsibility of a child being born as a result of their actions.

Brian4Liberty
12-06-2016, 12:22 PM
Why do men leave their families? I think men are every bit as irresponsible as women. For every child born there is a man involved and they should not be allowed to slouch out on the responsibility of a child being born as a result of their actions.

I am seriously hard pressed to think of a couple that I have known that broke up because of the man leaving. I think I know of one many years ago, where he left and married his secretary. Every other case (many) has been the woman kicking out the man after he has outlived his usefulness, and quite often, as the woman in the OP hinted at, it's to date another (younger) guy. This is California, so your mileage will vary. Seems that roles have been reversed from what they used to be in the 50s-70s.

Brian4Liberty
12-06-2016, 12:31 PM
Because you know the truth is that she really thinks that Big Daddy Trump govt is going to take care of her just as completely as Big Momma govt has in the past.


bingo

subsidize failed marriages and you get more of them

give dad the boot and earn instant entitlement to have uncle steal from your neighbors on your behalf

Yep.

Multiple causes:

1 - Divorce courts and terms have favored women and incentivized divorce.
2 - Divorce is accepted as a norm.
3 - Many women now make more money than their spouses.
4 - Big Mommy government promises to take care of single moms and their kids.
5 - Older women dating multiple younger men is now acceptable and promoted (Cougar syndrome).

Government is primarily responsible for 1 & 4. The rest is just the new norm.

presence
12-06-2016, 12:38 PM
Yep.

6 - Woman applies for "TANF" places "father's" name on document... gets fat $1500/mo check from the state and "dad" gets a matching bill, even if he just found out the bitch was fucking around and its not really his kid.

Superfluous Man
12-06-2016, 12:41 PM
Washington Post prints this kind of tripe.

tod evans
12-06-2016, 12:45 PM
Why do men leave their families? I think men are every bit as irresponsible as women. For every child born there is a man involved and they should not be allowed to slouch out on the responsibility of a child being born as a result of their actions.

Like Brian I don't know of many, if any, men who have 'left their family'...

By and large fathers are booted out in order to improve the quality of life for mothers...

If she has a good lawyer she can soak each father for between 25% and 40% of his gross income and then move in some new swinging dick to pick up half the tab until she gets tired of him....

Plus at the very least she'll get sympathy points from the poor single mother crowd, at most she'll soak both private and government charities for housing clothing food and utilities, some churches even give those 'poor women' free cars!

dannno
12-06-2016, 02:28 PM
Why do men leave their families?.

Because the women drive them away from their families?



I think men are every bit as irresponsible as women.

I think they are probably equally irresponsible by nature - however government has tipped the scales making it lucrative to leave their children's fathers.



For every child born there is a man involved and they should not be allowed to slouch out on the responsibility of a child being born as a result of their actions.

Well they wouldn't be driven away so hard if the women knew they had to depend on them - and if women knew they had to depend on them, they would have sex with men who were more dependable.

otherone
12-06-2016, 02:50 PM
Like Brian I don't know of many, if any, men who have 'left their family'...

By and large fathers are booted out in order to improve the quality of life for mothers...



Most of the divorce situations that I've encountered typically involve an early-forties woman who decides one day she married an a$$h0le that is "holding her back". Usually when the kids are in HS or college. It's as if women conflate motherhood and wifehood. Once the kids don't need them, they cut the strings of their marriage.
Marriage is a bad deal for men.

http://geniusquotes.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/H.-L.-Mencken-about-women.jpg

Son_of_Liberty90
12-06-2016, 02:58 PM
The good news is that this woman probably won't be reproducing any more.

YAY! :D

helmuth_hubener
12-06-2016, 03:02 PM
Why do men leave their families? I think men are every bit as irresponsible as women. For every child born there is a man involved and they should not be allowed to slouch out on the responsibility of a child being born as a result of their actions.
Actually, they tend to not.

Good biological reasons for this. Anyway...

A woman becoming single is the woman's fault.

Of course, indirectly, it's men's fault, collectively, because men are the ones who make the rules and run societies. Men have done a very lousy job of that lately. Our whole society right now is set up as an incubator -- a nice, warm, fuzzy, comfy incubator -- for single motherhood. Casual sex, lack of social ostracism, lack of even disapproval, and of course vasty trillions of loot to gobble, both direct from the male chattel via "child support" and also funneled through the "welfare" dole system.

We live under the Single Mom State.

bunklocoempire
12-06-2016, 03:32 PM
But I couldn’t reach out to him anymore. He was too new, too unfamiliar.

Oh yeah. Totally the election's fault.

Dark_Horse_Rider
12-06-2016, 04:30 PM
they tried black/white,

now man/woman,

they really trying to create that schism.

Suzanimal
12-06-2016, 05:34 PM
I not only have the strength to keep it together mentally and emotionally

Oh please, she had a breakdown over a presidential election. That doesn't sound like someone who's emotionally or mentally stable.

lilymc
12-06-2016, 05:38 PM
Why do men leave their families? I think men are every bit as irresponsible as women. For every child born there is a man involved and they should not be allowed to slouch out on the responsibility of a child being born as a result of their actions.

Amen.

lilymc
12-06-2016, 05:43 PM
they tried black/white,

now man/woman,

they really trying to create that schism.

I've noticed that too. It does seem like they're working overtime to purposely create division between just about every combination of groups.

I hate it when people allow it to actually work for them. :-/

lilymc
12-06-2016, 05:58 PM
Our whole society right now is set up as an incubator -- a nice, warm, fuzzy, comfy incubator -- for single motherhood. Casual sex, lack of social ostracism, lack of even disapproval, and of course vasty trillions of loot to gobble, both direct from the male chattel via "child support" and also funneled through the "welfare" dole system.

We live under the Single Mom State.

Very true. Big Daddy Government has replaced the father in the home... especially in certain communities. And that's by design imo.

But that doesn't mean that men are innocent. The wrongdoing goes both ways. And it's a vicious cycle which is why it continues generation after generation.

Weston White
12-07-2016, 08:23 AM
In August, I went on six dates in one week.

Single mother with two young children and a troubled dog, and we are able to do six-dates in a week!?!?!


I had decided that I was ready to look for a partner.

You mean look for yet another partner, yea? Because I highly doubt those children came from immaculate conceptions.


Enough of this dating unavailable men a half-decade younger than me.

They’d never seriously consider a relationship with me, my two children and our needy dog. ...

A man who wouldn’t feel the need to step in and rescue me.

So you want a man at least 5-years older than you are, because otherwise they would not consider a serious relationship with you, but yet they would want to "rescue" you? DAFUQ! (Watching Jerry Maguire much?)


But I knew deep down that was only partially true.

...Or just bat-shit crazy.


I’ve been on my own with my kids for most of the past decade.

You have been alone with two-children for at least 10-years, yet one of them is 2-years old, which makes the other one at least 10-years old. ... ... ...Okay then.


Of the six first dates I had in August, ... We dated for a few weeks before he admitted he wasn’t ready for something serious. Two days later, the other of those good dates called me out of the blue. ... But two weeks later, the election happened.

How exactly did we get from August to November 8th already?


The world felt that precarious to me. . . . I hugged her, a little scared to send her to school, out into the big sky country of the red state where we live.

And the drama queen of the year award goes to...


My radiator was cracked in two places, right at the top.

Completely Trump's fault!


I not only have the strength to keep it together mentally and emotionally but I also have the strength to carry my daughter home.

Somehow, my intuition tells me this is not really so much so.


He, too, had been feeling a lot of the same emotions I was experiencing: hopelessness; fear; uncertainty about the future; panic over having to talk to my 9-year-old about anything that might come up at school, or what to do in the instance of sexual assault. But I couldn’t reach out to him anymore.

Oh darn so much for wanting "an equal," you were so close too!


“I can’t,” I told him. “I just can’t.”

Not even after eight-years of Obama? Bummer.


The future is uncertain. I am not the optimistic person I was on the morning of Nov. 8

Ah, finally the righteous proof that democracies are the root of all evil! Muahahahahaa!


...wearing a T-shirt with “Nasty Woman” written inside a red heart.

Well now that certainly explains much...


There is no room for dating in this place of grief. Dating means hope.

You mean I was wrong all this time in my thinking that dating meant companionship and that Obama meant hope?


I’ve lost that hope in seeing the words “President-elect Trump.”

Sorry, Jimmy I can't see you anymore, I really, really dislike our new president. So this is goodbye I guess.

RJB
12-07-2016, 08:36 AM
I am wondering how this change came about. In the 1990s, if someone referred to their "partner" they were either gay or in the FBI. Now I see straight people refer to their boy/girlfriends or husbands/wives as partners and gay people refer to their partners as their spouse.

tod evans
12-07-2016, 08:44 AM
I am wondering how this change came about. In the 1990s, if someone referred to their "partner" they were either gay or in the FBI. Now I see straight people refer to their boy/girlfriends or husbands/wives as partners and gay people refer to their partners as their spouse.

Too much of 'Teh Newz' on Tee-Vee.

People who don't watch that damn thing don't generally speak or think in off the wall ways.

It's much easier to pick out manipulative techniques in print than if some bimbo is droning on and on...

Athan
12-07-2016, 08:58 AM
Holy shit two kids and a dog. What a real loss to the dating world lol

Danke
12-07-2016, 09:12 AM
Holy shit two kids and a dog. What a real loss to the dating world lol

And she comes with a lot of tattoos also.

https://stepville.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/img178.jpg

Anti-Neocon
12-07-2016, 09:21 AM
Except for she says specifically that she imagined having a partner that could fix cars:


Which I was going to say is kinda sexist of her to assume those roles on her imaginary partner.
And also cook and read books in silly voices.

Doesn't seem sexist at all, just seems like stuff she feels deficient at or would rather not be doing, like she said in the previous sentence: "we'd both bring the thing we have to offer and place them on the table".

That's what many feel an ideal partnership (which would include marriage) has: both people covering up for the weaknesses of the other. Finding the "missing piece" to your puzzle.

If you are a straight man who hates to cook, wanting to marry a woman who likes to cook, is not sexist. If you are a straight woman who hates to cook, wanting to marry a man who likes to cook, is similarly not sexist.

If what you desire in your partner is someone with the skill sets expected of their gender, that is not sexist unless you have some idea of "that is what men should do" or "that is what women should do", which is a collectivist attitude that I like to stay far from. In many cases the ideal partner for someone does fit into gender roles. In many cases he/she does not.

Athan
12-07-2016, 09:34 AM
And she comes with a lot of tattoos also.

https://stepville.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/img178.jpg

Not modest enough clearly.

helmuth_hubener
12-07-2016, 10:05 AM
...unless you have some idea of "that is what men should do" or "that is what women should do", which is a collectivist attitude that I like to stay far from.

No: it is a traditionalist attitude. An old-fashioned attitude, if you will.

An attitude, the courageous and conscious adoption of which will save our civilization.

specsaregood
12-07-2016, 11:01 AM
And also cook and read books in silly voices.

Doesn't seem sexist at all, just seems like stuff she feels deficient at or would rather not be doing, like she said in the previous sentence: "we'd both bring the thing we have to offer and place them on the table".

That's what many feel an ideal partnership (which would include marriage) has: both people covering up for the weaknesses of the other. Finding the "missing piece" to your puzzle.

If you are a straight man who hates to cook, wanting to marry a woman who likes to cook, is not sexist. If you are a straight woman who hates to cook, wanting to marry a man who likes to cook, is similarly not sexist.

If what you desire in your partner is someone with the skill sets expected of their gender, that is not sexist unless you have some idea of "that is what men should do" or "that is what women should do", which is a collectivist attitude that I like to stay far from. In many cases the ideal partner for someone does fit into gender roles. In many cases he/she does not.

I think you misunderstood me. I don't really feel that it is "sexist" but sure enough if you reversed the roles and put it in an article that you imagined having wife that would cook, clean and sew; this woman and the author of this article would be screaming about how you were sexist to assign those roles to the woman in your relationship.

Anti-Neocon
12-10-2016, 04:18 PM
No: it is a traditionalist attitude. An old-fashioned attitude, if you will.

An attitude, the courageous and conscious adoption of which will save our civilization.
You can call it what you want, but forcing people into roles based on their gender is not exactly the kind of freedom that I'd like to fight for :)

helmuth_hubener
12-10-2016, 08:41 PM
You can call it what you want, but forcing people into roles based on their gender is not exactly the kind of freedom that I'd like to fight for :) Yes, I understand. And that's very libertarian of you. High-Five!

It's very interesting to me the different ways people define "freedom." Freedom is such a crucially fundamental idea. To me anyway it is.

I think that you define freedom more expansively than me, would I think be a very fair way to put it. I define freedom more narrowly. The key word to me is "force." Now, you use that word, claiming that my attitude, the old-fashioned attitude, is about "forcing people into roles based on their gender." Not at all! You are using that word totally wrongly, according to my libertarian model. I should be more diplomatic -- you are using it totally differently.

To me, people are using force against you when they club you in the head or lock you in prison or deprive you of your full property rights. Social pressure, social norms, these are completely acceptable and compatible with freedom. Indeed, I would say, they are essential to it. Frowning at people, ostracizing them, excommunicating them, berating, condemning, and refusing to associate with them, these are all perfectly acceptable behaviors, and indeed commendable and pro-freedom behaviors.

But you disagree, and I do understand. Your view is more like that of John Stewart Mill. And OK, certainly not an all-bad view. I personally do not hold to it and do not relate to it.

Anyway, the people who succeeded in establishing your freedom were people who thought much like me on these issues, who had no problem with very strong differences between the sexes and their roles. Freedom which is in the process of collapsing and being destroyed. And destroyed by what? Largely, I would say, by the "modern" temperament. The temperament of depravity, indulgence, decadence, and brain-falling-out open mindedness. Anything goes. Follow your own whimsies. You are a unique, delicate butterfly. This corrupt and permissive attitude sounds very much like freedom, but actually, in very important practical ways, it makes freedom impossible on a large-scale societal level.

Mordan
12-11-2016, 06:48 AM
When I was in my early 20s and unmarried, I was watching a nature show about lions.
It pointed out that when a pride loses its leader, a wandering male will come take over the pride.
The first thing he does is kill all the cubs.

I remember thinking, I'm glad we're not lions, but they sure got it figured out.

The reason is logical. The lion female won't be in heat until cubs are gone. The new alpha male lion wants some action :)

Furthermore, this cub killing behavior is evolutionary. Alpha male lions who didn't kill cubs didn't spread their genes as efficiently as those who did. Those "nice" lions simply disappeared.

timosman
12-11-2016, 09:18 AM
The reason is logical. The lion female won't be in heat until cubs are gone. The new alpha male lion wants some action :)

Furthermore, this cub killing behavior is evolutionary. Alpha male lions who didn't kill cubs didn't spread their genes as efficiently as those who did. Those "nice" lions simply disappeared.

Being nice is not an advantage on this planet. :eek:

specsaregood
12-11-2016, 09:43 AM
Like Brian I don't know of many, if any, men who have 'left their family'...
ya know, I thought about it pretty hard and I can only think of one such instance of people I know in real life and in that one instance the man left because the woman was in a family way with another mans child, (and they didn't have any of their own) so I don't even know if that counts.

every other instance was the reverse, the woman doing the leaving... and the men in the family unit were not losers, but rather hard working average men..

Mordan
12-11-2016, 10:03 AM
Being nice is not an advantage on this planet. :eek:

Nice has several meaning. The word's meaning has evolved towards cuckery.

The Nice Lion is a Human Cuck who let his woman have children with other men without saying a word.

It is not bad in itself. The Nice Lion simply won't have as many cubs as the Bad Lion. In the End, it is all about the survival of the species and not the individual

Nice Lions Help Bad Lions' Cubs Survive :)