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goldenequity
12-02-2016, 06:46 PM
Obama/DoS are apoplectic. **giggling uncontrollably**
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Trump risks China rift by speaking to Taiwan’s president (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/trump-risks-china-rift-speaking-taiwans-president/)

https://cdn.almasdarnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Donald-Trump-696x497.jpg


US President-elect, Donald Trump, has risked a China rift
by being the first President or President-elect
to speak to a leader of Taiwan
since relations were severed in 1979.

He spoke with Tsai Ing-wen, the president of Taiwan,
on Friday, with four different people confirming the call.

“The Chinese leadership will see this as a highly provocative action, of historic proportions,”
said Evan Medeiros, former Asia director at the White House national security council,
who now heads Asia research at Eurasia Group.

“Regardless if it was deliberate or accidental,
this phone call will fundamentally change
China’s perceptions of Trump’s strategic intentions for the negative.
With this kind of move,
Trump is setting a foundation of enduring mistrust
and strategic competition for US-China relations,” he continued.

The US has adopted the so-called “One China” policy since 1972
after the Nixon-Mao meetings
and in 1978 President Jimmy Carter formally recognised Beijing
as the sole government of China, with the US embassy closing in Taipei the year after.



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Donald J. Trump Verified account ‏@realDonaldTrump
The President of Taiwan CALLED ME today to wish me congratulations on winning the Presidency. Thank you!

goldenequity
12-02-2016, 06:49 PM
Trump invites Duterte to US during ‘animated’ talk, makes other diplomatic missteps (https://www.rt.com/usa/369061-donald-trump-rodrigo-duterte/)

https://cdn.rt.com/files/2016.12/original/5841c81dc36188f9568b45f0.jpg

eleganz
12-02-2016, 07:04 PM
Wait a minute, is this some Onion type sht?

America and Taiwan are 'big league' allies so its natural for the two countries to communicate and cooperate and China hating it. China and US is economically tied so China treads lighter when it comes to dealings...

69360
12-02-2016, 07:37 PM
Wait a minute, is this some Onion type sht?

America and Taiwan are 'big league' allies so its natural for the two countries to communicate and cooperate and China hating it. China and US is economically tied so China treads lighter when it comes to dealings...

One China policy. US presidents can't speak to Taiwan's president. US doesn't recognize Taiwan as a country anymore. Back in 79 US switched from recognizing Taiwan government (nationalist losers of the Chinese civil war) to recognizing Beijing communist government (winners) as rulers of China. The US still arms Taiwan, but doesn't have diplomatic relations. It's stupid if you ask me. I don't have a problem with what Trump did.

I don't see these as missteps. Any diplomatic relations are good. I hope Trump talks to Kim Jong Un and Hassan Rouhani as well.

Danke
12-02-2016, 07:42 PM
One China policy. US presidents can't speak to Taiwan's president. US doesn't recognize Taiwan as a country anymore. Back in 79 US switched from recognizing Taiwan government (nationalist losers of the Chinese civil war) to recognizing Beijing communist government (winners) as rulers of China. The US still arms Taiwan, but doesn't have diplomatic relations. It's stupid if you ask me. I don't have a problem with what Trump did.

I don't see these as missteps. Any diplomatic relations are good. I hope Trump talks to Kim Jong Un and Hassan Rouhani as well.

and we train their military too.

anaconda
12-02-2016, 10:41 PM
I hope Trump talks to Kim Jong Un

Perhaps Rodman will be considered for a Cabinet position.

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2013/9/8/1378661763251/Dennis-Rodman-and-Kim-Jon-010.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&

AZJoe
12-03-2016, 07:24 AM
Appears the call was initiated by the President of Taiwan, not Trump, but its still a good start.

804848711599882240

First president since 1979 to actually talk to the President of Taiwan.

Washington enter into a treaty obligating the USA to militarily defend Taiwan, yet for over thirty years refuses to even talk to the President. Talk about bizarro world foreign policy madness.

69360
12-03-2016, 07:45 AM
Perhaps Rodman will be considered for a Cabinet position.

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2013/9/8/1378661763251/Dennis-Rodman-and-Kim-Jon-010.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&

If making Rodman ambassador to NK is what it takes for there to be a direct line from Trump to Un, then why not. If they are talking at least nobody will launch the nukes. Probably would be a good idea to run Rodman through rehab first.

Zippyjuan
12-03-2016, 12:58 PM
Appears the call was initiated by the President of Taiwan, not Trump, but its still a good start.

804848711599882240

First president since 1979 to actually talk to the President of Taiwan.

Washington enter into a treaty obligating the USA to militarily defend Taiwan, yet for over thirty years refuses to even talk to the President. Talk about bizarro world foreign policy madness.

Not according to Taiwan. They said both sides had been planning it for a couple of weeks. Trump may have other reasons for wanting good relations with Taiwan:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/03/trump-angers-beijing-with-provocative-phone-call-to-taiwan-president


Bishop said it was hard to know whether the call was the result of a deliberate policy move by Trump or merely an intervention by a member of his staff who was friendly towards Tsai Ing-wen and Taipei.


In the lead-up to Friday’s call with Tsai, Trump’s team had reportedly been looking into the possibility of investing in luxury hotels in Taiwan.

In mid-November the mayor of Taoyuan, a city in northwest Taiwan, confirmed that a representative of the president-elect had flown into his city to examine business opportunities at Aerotropolis, a sprawling development of luxury waterside homes and industrial parks near its international airport.

The Taiwan News website reported that Eric Trump, the incoming president’s son, was also planning a trip to Taiwan this year.

Conflicts of interest already arising?

nikcers
12-03-2016, 01:01 PM
Appears the call was initiated by the President of Taiwan, not Trump, but its still a good start.

804848711599882240

First president since 1979 to actually talk to the President of Taiwan.

Washington enter into a treaty obligating the USA to militarily defend Taiwan, yet for over thirty years refuses to even talk to the President. Talk about bizarro world foreign policy madness.
Well what would you say if back in 1979 I told you that a one China policy would migrate power away from the soviet union over to China, who should have our backs and bail us out when our economy crashes in the future. 1972 Nixon visit to China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Nixon_visit_to_China)

AZJoe
12-03-2016, 03:59 PM
Well what would you say if back in 1979 I told you that a one China policy would migrate power away from the soviet union over to China, who should have our backs and bail us out when our economy crashes in the future. 1972 Nixon visit to China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Nixon_visit_to_China)

Well, what if I told you you that if you that if you are going to commit the United States to provide military defense of Taiwan and the United State to go to war on behalf of Taiwan (Taiwan Relations Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act) ) and provide billions of dollars of military weapons sales to Taiwan like Obama's deal to sell $1.83 billion worth of arms last year and the Taiwan Relations Act Affirmation and Naval Vessel Transfer Act of 2014 , then you better have open dialogue with the President of Taiwan.

And what if I told you that Washington actively provoking conflict in the South China Seas, intimidating Chinese shipping trade, sending naval armada's into the South China Sea, and arm twisting neighbors into manufactured conflicts with China (Philippines, Vietnam ), and trying to squeeze China out of international trade deals (i.e. TPP), not only does that make China not "have our back" , but you ought to at least have open dialogue with the leader of Taiwan that you are affecting.

Reading materials:
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/october/27/are-we-looking-for-a-fight-in-the-south-china-sea/
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2016/august/10/war-with-china-unthinkable-think-again/
https://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2016/march/05/us-sends-small-armada-to-confront-china-as-beijing-accuses-washington-of-containment/
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2016/may/11/another-needless-uschina-clash-in-south-china-sea/
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/07/joachim-hagopian/un-us-subsidiary/
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/10/eric-margolis/enough-poor-mans-aircraft-carriers/
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/05/21/united-states-provoke-beijing-south-china-sea-air-defense-identification-zone/

AZJoe
12-03-2016, 04:00 PM
Not according to Taiwan. They said both sides had been planning it for a couple of weeks.


Well good! That is even more promising news.

timosman
12-03-2016, 04:04 PM
http://www.cctv-america.com/2016/12/03/china-lodges-representations-to-us-over-trumps-call-with-taiwan-leader


December 3, 2016
China has lodged solemn representations with the United States, urging the latter to honor its commitment to the one-China policy, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang said on Saturday.

Geng’s remarks came after U.S. president-elect Donald Trump spoke over phone on Friday with Taiwan leader Tsai Ing-wen.

“It must be stated that, there is only one China and Taiwan is an inalienable part of China’s territory, and the government of the People’s Republic of China is the sole legitimate government that represents China. Those are all facts recognized by the international community,” Geng said.

The one-China principle is the political foundation for the China-U.S. relations, Geng said.

“We urge relevant U.S. side to honor the commitment to the one-China policy as well as the three Sino-U.S. joint communiques, and cautiously and properly handle Taiwan-related issues to avoid any unnecessary disturbance to the bigger picture of the Sino-U.S. relations,” the spokesperson said.

Foreign Minister Wang Yi has called Tsai’s call with Trump “a little trick” by Taiwan which would not change the one-China consensus in international community.

“I don’t think it will change the one-China policy of the U.S. government either,” Wang said on the sidelines of a foreign policy seminar on Saturday.

The one-China principle is a cornerstone for healthy development of Sino-U.S. relations, and China does not want this political foundation to be interfered with or damaged, Wang added.

The White House on Friday, after Trump received a telephone call from Tsai Ing-wen, reaffirmed backing for its long-standing support of the one-China policy and the three China-U.S. joint communiques.

“We remain firmly committed to our one-China policy based on the three joint communiques,” White House National Security Council spokesperson Ned Price told local media. “Our fundamental interest is in peaceful and stable cross-strait relations.”

nikcers
12-03-2016, 04:10 PM
Well, what if I told you you that if you that if you are going to commit the United States to provide military defense of Taiwan and the United State to go to war on behalf of Taiwan (Taiwan Relations Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act) ) and provide billions of dollars of military weapons sales to Taiwan like Obama's deal to sell $1.83 billion worth of arms last year and the Taiwan Relations Act Affirmation and Naval Vessel Transfer Act of 2014 , then you better have open dialogue with the President of Taiwan. And what if I told you that Washington actively provoking conflict in the South China Seas, intimidating Chinese shipping trade, sending naval armada's into the South China Sea, and arm twisting neighbors into manufactured conflicts with China (Philippines, Vietnam ), and trying to squeeze China out of international trade deals (i.e. TPP), not only does that make China not "have our back" , but you ought to at least have open dialogue with the leader of Taiwan that you are affecting. What if I told you that the new administration saying we're not the party of Reagan anymore was about his foreign policy not his fiscal policy? Lots of people like Ron Paul were against trading with Red China in the first place, but after the downfall of the soviet union it was understood that free trade is what beat communism. Whats that have to do with not signing the TPP? well signing the TPP was a fuck you to China. It was never about anything else. That along with the Iran deal was a signal to Russia that we would do business with them, and a signal to China to stop cheating us. They responded by banning iphone sales. We responded with steel tarrifs.

robert68
12-03-2016, 05:00 PM
Their phone call was set up. China, because of the size of its economy, is a future threat to US military dominance in the world. That's why Trump says nonsense about them.

nikcers
12-03-2016, 05:03 PM
Their phone call was set up. China is a future threat to US military dominance in the world. That's why Trump says nonsense about them.
You call it nonsense but if you talk to one of his rabid supporters they are taking over our jobs and their middle class is bigger then our entire economy. I think his nonsense is more calculated nonsense that comes across differently to other people.

robert68
12-03-2016, 05:08 PM
You call it nonsense but if you talk to one of his rabid supporters they are taking over our jobs and their middle class is bigger then our entire economy. I think his nonsense is more calculated nonsense that comes across differently to other people.

Certainly, his rabid supporters believe lots of nonsense.

AZJoe
12-03-2016, 05:15 PM
What if I told you that the new administration saying we're not the party of Reagan anymore was about his foreign policy not his fiscal policy? Lots of people like Ron Paul were against trading with Red China in the first place, but after the downfall of the soviet union it was understood that free trade is what beat communism. Whats that have to do with not signing the TPP? well signing the TPP was a $#@! you to China.

It means nikcers probably did not read the Ron Paul links.

Ron Paul was not against free trade with China. He has always been for free trade . Don't confuse free trade with bureaucratic international government "managed trade" deals. See below.

Yes, correct on TPP. It was an anti-China trade war strategy, (or "$#@! you" as nikcers say). The TPP was deployed as a weapon to stop China from dominating the Asia-Pacific economically. As mentioned earlier that "$#@! you" obviously tends make China not "have our back" now doesn't it.
http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/tag/pepe-escobar/
http://www.atimes.com/article/welcome-to-the-trade-deal-wars-escobar/
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/05/john-v-walsh/the-emperor-beckons-us-to-the-graveyard/
http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/tag/pepe-escobar/

What all this means, is what it has always meant. Open dialogue and communication is favorable to not communicating. Open trade is favorable to isolation, trade wars, or sanctions. Peace with China. Peace with Taiwan.

Ron Paul on the Taiwan Relations Act in 2004:


Let me just restate my general position, because my defense is that of a foreign policy of nonintervention, sincerely believing it is in the best interests of our people and the world that we get less involved militaristically.
Once again, I would like to make the point that if it is a true and correct principle because of its age, it is not negated. If it is a true principle and worked 200 years ago or 400 years ago, it is still a principle today; and it should not be discarded. … “Equal and exact justice to all men, of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political; peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.” …
“Harmony, liberal intercourse with all nations, are recommended by policy, humanity, and interest. But even our commercial policy should hold an equal and impartial hand: neither seeking nor granting exclusive favors or preferences; consulting the natural course of things; diffusing and diversifying by gentle means the streams of commerce, but forcing nothing.” Force gets us nowhere. Persuasion is the answer. Peace and commerce is what we should pursue. https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2004-07-14/pdf/CREC-2004-07-14-pt1-PgH5757-2.pdf#page=4



Dr. Ron Paul on free trade: http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/free-trade/

(http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-09-22/free-trade-with-all-entangling-alliances-with-none/)
Free Trade With All, Entangling Alliances With None (http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-09-22/free-trade-with-all-entangling-alliances-with-none/) (September 21, 2001)
"Free trade with all and entangling alliances with none has always been the best policy in dealing with other countries on the world stage. This is the policy of friendship, freedom and non-interventionism …"

Free trade makes sense (http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst99/tst060799.htm) (June 7, 1999)
"[…] if someone says they are for “free trade,” one must look carefully what they really mean, for the classic (and common sense) definition does not apply. All to often in Washington, free trade is used when one really means “subsidized trade,” or, tax dollars being funneled to foreign governments to buy American products. Similarly, the phrase can mean to use tax dollars to bail-out American firms for risky overseas ventures, or managed trade by the World Trade Organization to serve powerful special interests. …

There is another way. Free trade and free markets are, without a doubt, the best guarantor of peace. But this requires something all too few in Washington want: less government intervention.
It is indisputable that individuals know better how to provide for their families than government. It is also indisputable that a company is better equipped to know what its market will tolerate than a bureaucrat in Washington. In this way, a person is able to determine what goods best meet their individual needs, weighing numerous factors in their decision. But when government intervenes, it no longer becomes possible for an individual to provide for their family and business in the most expedient fashion. This is the antithesis of liberty."

Jamesiv1
12-03-2016, 05:23 PM
Predictably, the only people AGHAST!! at this are the entrenched, out-of-touch Washington insiders that regular Americans from coast-to-coast just voted against.

China doesn't seem to be concerned at all.


Beijing sought to play down the importance of the phone call, with foreign minister Wang Yi dismissing it as “just a small trick” by Taiwan.


An editorial in the Global Times, a state-run tabloid, echoed the foreign minister’s words, calling the phone call a “petty gesture” from Taiwan

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/03/trump-angers-beijing-with-provocative-phone-call-to-taiwan-president

nikcers
12-03-2016, 06:29 PM
It means nikcers probably did not read the Ron Paul links.

Ron Paul was not against free trade with China.
It means AZJoe didn't read my comment, I didn't say Ron Paul. I said people like Ron Paul, I was talking about conservatives, conservatives were pretty split on trade with China.

When I was about ten years old, like many conservative middle-class families, our inclination was to resist anything to do with Red China. In that black and white world, you were either for us or against us. Trade with China was thought to be trade with the enemy. A funny thing happened, though, along the way. Many conservatives came to understand a larger truth. As trade began to blossom with China, many conservatives, myself included, came to admit that trade improves our economic well-being AND makes us less likely to fight. The success of trade with China made many conservatives rethink their view of the world. - Rand Paul

enhanced_deficit
12-03-2016, 07:51 PM
Trump invites Duterte to US during ‘animated’ talk, makes other diplomatic missteps (https://www.rt.com/usa/369061-donald-trump-rodrigo-duterte/)

https://cdn.rt.com/files/2016.12/original/5841c81dc36188f9568b45f0.jpg

This guy is so hot, there are three threads on this invite already.

He was prised by Obama and in return he made such statements about our historic leader that are even more controversial than Trump fan James Woods' statements .

http://news-recap.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/us-president-obama-laud-president-duterte-v01.jpg



Are his statements about Obama are the main reason Trumpster is warming up to him ?


Philippines’ Duterte: Obama ‘can go to hell’

“Instead of helping us, the first to criticize is this State Department, so you can go to hell, Mr. Obama, you can go to hell,” Duterte said. Then addressing the EU, he said: “Better choose purgatory, hell is filled up.”
http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/10/0...an-go-to-hell/ (http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/10/04/philippines-duterte-obama-can-go-to-hell/)



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goldenequity
12-03-2016, 08:45 PM
Trump Stands up to Communist China's Threats, Talks To Taiwan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLk7H7jfnEM









Deathblow to Globalism


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEYXFc64Jy0


hahaha... Trump, Putin & Farage w/ KellyAnne in the background.... I take that back... that's Marine Le Pen
so.. the 4 Nationalists.













Here's Kellyanne

https://i.redd.it/2rv2yz0ijg1y.jpg

AZJoe
12-03-2016, 10:06 PM
Lots of people like Ron Paul were against trading with Red China in the first place

It means AZJoe didn't read my comment, I didn't say Ron Paul. I said people like Ron Paul, I was talking about conservatives, conservatives were pretty split on trade with China.

First nikcers says "lots of people like Ron Paul" were against trade. (i.e. implying against trade like Ron Paul was against trade). As explained prior, Ron Paul was NOT against trade. So nikcers post hoc explains he meant people like Ron Paul, not specifically Ron Paul, were against trade.
This doesn't even make sense. Its actually idiotic. It you are against trade, then you are NOT like Ron Paul. - rep for logical incoherence.

AZJoe
12-04-2016, 10:48 AM
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15181524_697629303695441_8389260276960266259_n.jpg ?oh=854e1a94e788387db21319962ccff656&oe=58F52794

nikcers
12-04-2016, 11:24 AM
Make China great again?


China plans to stamp out poverty by 2020 (http://english.cctv.com/2016/12/04/VIDEVrp2waacieH4SMMkFE08161204.shtml)The State Council has released a poverty alleviation plan for the 13th Five-Year Plan period from 2016 to 2020. During the last five years, China's poverty rate fell from around 17 percent to around 6 percent. And by 2015, China still had over 56 million people below the national poverty line which is 2,800 yuan per year.

People living in poverty are scattered among 128,000 poor villages and over 800 poor counties across the country. In the plan, China will improve poverty-stricken areas and lift all of their poor out of poverty by 2020, ensuring people have enough to eat and wear, adequate education, health services and housing.

timosman
12-05-2016, 11:28 PM
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