[No gun] Shooter Reported at Ohio State University

[mrsat_98]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/28/us/ohio-state-university-active-shooter/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzAe9HNhakY

[tod evans]

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[mrsat_98]

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Sorry I got preoccupied when they shot him.

[jllundqu]

Black shooter?

[dannno]

In addition to local authorities, the Bureau of Alcohol,Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is on the ground in Columbus, spokesman Dave Coulson said.

Just happened to be staying in a hotel next door or what?

[mrsat_98]

Just happened to be staying in a hotel next door or what?

Nice , I fixed the title again.

[angelatc]

I have friends at OSU. I'm here hoping none of them are dead. (mod edit)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyXILRqXAAEAhXO.jpg:large

[goldenequity]

https://i.redd.it/qoo5sdb2de0y.png

[goldenequity]

Statement from Justin Trudeau on OSU:
My deepest condolences to the family of Ali Muhammad.
While a controversial figure, he was well known for his love of cutlery and appreciation for cars.

http://i0.wp.com/thetruthdivision.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Somalia.001.jpeg?resize=678%2C381

[Brian4Liberty]

Reports are now saying the perp was a Somali refugee.

Ohio State Suspect A Somali Refugee (http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/28/msnbc-ohio-state-suspect-is-a-somali-refugee/)

[jllundqu]

Well that's just great. Another Hillary voter gone berserk.

[goldenequity]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyXweDCUkAAUCGa.jpg

You insisted Ohio take in Somali Muslims @JohnKasich
knowing the inevitable terrorism they'd bring.
Ohio State University is on you
https://twitter.com/JaredWyand/status/803307607817682948


Somali migrants are 'disaster' for Minnesota, says Donald Trump (http://archive.is/gBnqR)


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Second Somali slasher this year in Columbus Ohio
Cops kill man after machete attack at Ohio deli (http://archive.is/Iyfgx)

[dannno]

I have friends at OSU. I'm here hoping none of them are dead. (mod edit)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyXILRqXAAEAhXO.jpg:large

Calm down, plenty of these incidents are hoaxes, even if people actually get hurt, if the perp is an actor or is drugged up and has handlers then it is a hoax because the whole aspect of the perps motivations are a hoax. Even if this incident is NOT a hoax, the fact that so many are means that we should treat them as such from the beginning until proven otherwise.

Questioning the details of an event does not make people any less sorry about any victims who might exist. The mainstream media loves to play this card, that some how asking questions about details of an event is some how disrespectful to victims when it's actually the exact opposite. The victims deserve our full attention and deserve to know why they were hurt and who did it.

[Zippyjuan]

Nine reported sent to hospital- one critical. Attacker shot and killed. Drove car onto sidewalk and started stabbing at people.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/active-shooter-reported-ohio-state-university-campus-n689076



An Ohio State University student plowed a car into a campus crowd, then jumped out and started stabbing people with a butcher knife before being shot dead by police Monday morning, officials said.

Nine people were taken to hospitals after the ambush, and one was in critical condition. The incident was initially reported as an "active shooter" situation, but the suspect did not shoot anyone.

A police officer was on the scene within a minute and killed the assailant. "He engaged the suspect and eliminated the threat," OSU Police Chief Craig Stone said.

Law enforcement officials told NBC News the suspect's name is 18-year-old Abdul Artan, a student at the university. He was a Somali refugee who left his homeland with his family in 2007, lived in Pakistan and then came to the United States in 2014 as a legal permanent resident of the United States, officials said.

The motive was unknown, but officials said the attack was clearly deliberate and may have been planned in advance.

"This was done on purpose," Stone said.

A campus lockdown was lifted about 11:30 a.m., some 90 minutes after the violence unfolded on the Columbus, Ohio, campus, where 60,000 students are enrolled.

"This car just swerved and ran into a whole group of people," said Nicole Kreinbrink, who was walking down the street when she saw the car hit people who had evacuated an academic building during a fire alarm.

"All these people were running and screaming and yelling," she added.

Jacob Bowers, an OSU sophomore, was sitting on a bench about 100 feet away when he noticed people running.

"Then I heard someone yell, 'He's got a knife.' And I saw a guy with a big-ass knife just chasing people around. When I saw that, I grabbed all my stuff and started running," Bowers said.

Bowers said he looked back to see a police officer on the scene. The officer yelled to the suspect, "Drop it and get down or I'll shoot," and then fired on the suspect, Bowers said.

"The man was going insane," he said.

Today was first day back after Thanksgiving break.

[Zippyjuan]

Calm down, plenty of these incidents are hoaxes, even if people actually get hurt, if the perp is an actor or is drugged up and has handlers then it is a hoax because the whole aspect of the perps motivations are a hoax. Even if this incident is NOT a hoax, the fact that so many are means that we should treat them as such from the beginning until proven otherwise.

Questioning the details of an event does not make people any less sorry about any victims who might exist. The mainstream media loves to play this card, that some how asking questions about details of an event is some how disrespectful to victims when it's actually the exact opposite. The victims deserve our full attention and deserve to know why they were hurt and who did it.

Aren't these things always "false flags" or doped up government agents?

[dannno]

Aren't these things always "false flags" or doped up government agents?

The vast majority of the ones that get heavy press coverage are.

[dannno]

You are not sane.

Saner than you.. You're the one trying to shut down discussion of what actually happened and then make up a bunch of stuff about people's feelings being hurt.

If I were a victim in one of these incidents, I would want the truth to be known whether it was a hoax or a government agency involved or whatever it was.

People investigating and asking questions is not something I would try and stop if I were a victim.

[angelatc]

Somali refugee who left his homeland with his family in 2007, lived in Pakistan and then came to the United States in 2014 as a legal permanent resident of the United States, officials said.

So it's either a radicalized Muslim, a Michigan fan upset over that last call, or a CIA plant.

And no matter how much evidence emerges, we already know it's the CIA.

Golly, I wonder why people think we're loons.

[Athan]

I ain't checking out CNN links, I need something that has some credibility.

[angelatc]

People investigating and asking questions is not something I would try and stop if I were a victim.

LOL at "investigating." Yeah, Googling to find tidbits to support some wild ass theory you pulled out of your ass is "investigating," and people actually on the scene talking to witnesses are part of the conspiracy.

Crazy people never know they're crazy.

[tod evans]

So it's either a radicalized Muslim, a Michigan fan upset over that last call, or a CIA plant.
.

How 'bout all three?

I can't see one overruling the other.......

[angelatc]

How 'bout all three?

I can't see one overruling the other.......

Michigan fans wouldn't be able to hit that many people.

[Zippyjuan]

I ain't checking out CNN links, I need something that has some credibility.

Like People Magazine or Alex "FEMA Camp" Jones? LOL! What is it you are doubting about the incident? What is questionable in the report?

How about local news? http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/11/28/what-we-know-now-ohio-state-shooting.html

[angelatc]

Like People Magazine or Alex "FEMA Camp" Jones? LOL! What is it you are doubting about the incident? What is questionable in the report?

How about local news? http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/11/28/what-we-know-now-ohio-state-shooting.html

I posted an eyewitness report from a person known to me. So that probably means I'm a government agent, I guess.

For those of you that want to start looking for this guy in the crisis actor portfolios you've cultivated, here ya go:


So he's not a Michigan fan.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyX4BUfXgAAiyuc.jpg:large

[asurfaholic]

Refugees are a liability. I can blame the government for the problem without claiming that this was a false flag event.

Government has one job. Secure the country from invaders. The refugees were let right in the front door, by who?

See? that was easy. Time to start kicking Middle eastern refugees out. Time to fire the incompetent government officials agency by agency.

[Zippyjuan]

I posted an eyewitness report from a person known to me. So that probably means I'm a government agent, I guess.

For those of you that want to start looking for this guy in the crisis actor portfolios you've cultivated, here ya go:


So he's not a Michigan fan.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyX4BUfXgAAiyuc.jpg:large


He says he was a couple blocks away so is reporting what he heard others say (and agrees with the article I posted).

[angelatc]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyXWfvOWgAETYJT.jpg

[Athan]

Like People Magazine or Alex "FEMA Camp" Jones? LOL! What is it you are doubting about the incident? What is questionable in the report?

How about local news? http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/11/28/what-we-know-now-ohio-state-shooting.html

Say what you want about Alex Jones, the guy unlike CNN and others don't try to hide news and information. He may follow false leads, but at least he is FOLLOWING information. You forget we all witnessed how they blacked out information on Ron Paul and his campaign. Alex did not. CNN is compromised son. Alex is just at times crazy and confused. So talk $hit, but seems like you forgot what we all saw on how they operate.

You aren't speaking to people who are naive about what CNN is which is in every respect WORSE than Infowars.

[TheCount]

Say what you want about Alex Jones, the guy unlike CNN and others don't try to hide news and information.Alex Jones hides plenty of news and information - after the fact. He's all about following "information" when it's the speculation phase of whatever the occurrence is, but the moment facts which prove his speculation wrong are available, suddenly he doesn't talk about that topic anymore. Everything goes straight into the memory hole to be forgotten while he chases the next thing.

[Athan]

Alex Jones hides plenty of news and information - after the fact. He's all about following "information" when it's the speculation phase of whatever the occurrence is, but the moment facts which prove his speculation wrong are available, suddenly he doesn't talk about that topic anymore. Everything goes straight into the memory hole to be forgotten while he chases the next thing.

That much I DO agree with. Still better than the Clinton News Network.

[goldenequity]

Alex Jones hides plenty of news and information - after the fact. He's all about following "information" when it's the speculation phase of whatever the occurrence is, but the moment facts which prove his speculation wrong are available, suddenly he doesn't talk about that topic anymore. Everything goes straight into the memory hole to be forgotten while he chases the next thing.
and THAT
is what's common among most alpha males.. females too.
It's a dom character trait.

[Athan]

Statement from Justin Trudeau on OSU:
My deepest condolences to the family of Ali Muhammad.
While a controversial figure, he was well known for his love of cutlery and appreciation for cars.

http://i0.wp.com/thetruthdivision.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Somalia.001.jpeg?resize=678%2C381

Top kek

[Zippyjuan]

http://www.mediaite.com/online/police-ohio-state-university-attacker-was-somali-refugee-first-year-student/


NBC News reports citing multiple law enforcement sources that the name of the Ohio State University attacker is Abdul Razak Ali Artan.


Other reports say that Artan was 20 years of age, not 18. Local Columbus station 10TV reports that the car used in the attack was registered to a Muhammad Ali, leading to some erroneous reports that Ali was the name of suspect in question.

Columbus, Ohio has one of the largest Somalian-American communities in the U.S. The Somali Community Association of Ohio estimates that more than 38,000 Somali immigrants live in the greater Columbus area, the second largest concentration of Somali refugees in the country.

Now they are saying he is 23 years old. Information still coming in.

[Zippyjuan]

http://www.ibtimes.com/abdul-razak-ali-artan-muslim-ohio-state-attack-student-shared-his-faith-fears-about-2451865


Artan spoke of his religion in an issue of the university magazine The Lantern. "I wanted to pray in the open, but I was kinda scared with everything going on in the media. I'm a Muslim, it's not what the media portrays me to be. If people look at me, a Muslim praying, I don't know what they're going to think, what's going to happen. But, I don't blame them. It's the media that put that picture in their heads," Artan told reporter Kevin Stankiewicz.

The Council of American Islamic Relations, the largest Muslim civil liberties and advocacy organization in the U.S., announced they would hold a press conference late Monday about the attack with local Somali-American leaders. Over 45,000 Somalis live in Ohio, according to the Somali Community Association of Ohio, 99.9 percent of which are Muslim.

"The suspect has tentatively been identified as a man of Somali heritage," the Council of American Islamic Relations's press release said.

Artan's name quickly spread through social media, with some users prematurely pointing to a connection between the attacker's background and his motive.

Recent terror attacks in California and Florida were carried out by Muslim men who had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State group and President-elect Donald Trump has blamed Muslims for terrorism in the U.S. But President Barack Obama and other leaders have urged Americans to not blame all Muslims for the violence carried out by a few.


In The Lantern, Artan said he is a transfer from Columbus State, presumably a reference to Columbus State Community College. Online records from that school said he graduated from there in May with an Associate of Arts degree.

Asked about Artan, the Vice President of Marketing and Communications at Columbus State Community College told ABC News in a statement: “Abdul Razak Ali Artan was enrolled at Columbus State Community College from autumn semester 2014 through summer semester 2016. He graduated with an Associate of Arts degree in Spring of 2016 and then continued taking additional non-credit classes through summer semester 2016.”
http://abcnews.go.com/US/osu-attack-suspect-identified-abdul-razak-ali-artan/story?id=43827435

[angelatc]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyX-3KQXEAAsJsw.jpg

[Zippyjuan]

Total injured updated to eleven. He was said to be silent during the attacks. No "Allah Akbar!"

[seapilot]

Machete attack= Somali. Time to ban machetes?

Columbus Ohio attack Feb 2016

http://libertyfirstnews.com/somali-man-launches-machete-attack-in-columbus-ohio/


A Somali man charged into a Columbus, Ohio, restaurant on Thursday evening and immediately began attacking innocent patrons with a machete, according to reports.

“Four people were injured in the brutal attack Thursday evening at Nazareth Restaurant and Deli, a Mediterranean restaurant in Columbus. The victims were taken to an area hospital and were expected to recover,” CBS reports.

[pcosmar]

No gun shooter

BATF presence

Muslim (Refugee/Student/Plant)

and folks defending the incompetence of modern journalists.

yup,, this is RPF and we still have work to do.

[angelatc]

No gun shooter

BATF presence

Muslim (Refugee/Student/Plant)

and folks defending the incompetence of modern journalists.

yup,, this is RPF and we still have work to do.

Prove you're not insane.

[Zippyjuan]

No gun shooter

BATF presence

Muslim (Refugee/Student/Plant)

and folks defending the incompetence of modern journalists.

yup,, this is RPF and we still have work to do.

FBI and ATF were called rushed to the scene before they knew all of the details (including no gun).


At 9:55 a.m., OSU sent out an emergency alert to students, warning that an active shooter was on campus in the vicinity of Watts Hall. The alert included mention of an "active shooter" because of reports of shots fired. Those shots were likely fired by Horujko.

Police, including the Cincinnati FBI and ATF, SWAT and bomb units, rushed to the scene. At 10:02 a.m., the campus sent out a shelter-in-place message to students. Students were also told to avoid the area of College Road. Officers formed a perimeter around much of the university's northern campus.


Ohio State Police Lift Shelter-In-Place Order After Active Shooter
At least eight people were taken to the hospital. One was reportedly in critical condition.


http://patch.com/ohio/cleveland/active-shooter-ohio-state-s-campus-reported

[PierzStyx]

Refugees are a liability. I can blame the government for the problem without claiming that this was a false flag event.

Government has one job. Secure the country from invaders. The refugees were let right in the front door, by who?

See? that was easy. Time to start kicking Middle eastern refugees out. Time to fire the incompetent government officials agency by agency.


Refugees are no more a liability than any other person, and considerably less actually. Compare the number of people who are refugees attacking others to the number of natural born Americans doing the same. I bet you'll find it is considerably lower for refugees than natural born Americans.

Refugees aren't invaders. People who say this just sound like idiots because they apparently don't understand the definition of "refugee" or "invader."

I see that you immediately swing to violating the human rights of others as an easy solution. Not only is this not libertarian- you're violently attacking people who have literally done nothing to you in violation of the NAP- but it isn't constitutional or moral either. Collectivist, statist, garbage thinking like this isn't pro-liberty, it is everything liberty is opposed to.

[PierzStyx]

http://www.ibtimes.com/abdul-razak-ali-artan-muslim-ohio-state-attack-student-shared-his-faith-fears-about-2451865




http://abcnews.go.com/US/osu-attack-suspect-identified-abdul-razak-ali-artan/story?id=43827435



I always thought that collectivist, racist associations were the antithesis of liberty which sees every person as an individual, not part of a nameless, faceless herd. Turns out plenty of the "liberty minded" people here are really Progressive on issues of immigration, refugees, and the need for state violence to blindly attack thousands for the crimes of an individual.

[goldenequity]

https://i.sli.mg/L1VEtN.jpg

[pcosmar]

Prove you're not insane.

Sorry,, not sure I can do that..

Can you prove you are sane? There are several reports on me..

I have actually been judged to not be an alcoholic. (By a state DUI shrink) how rare is that?

I have had psychologists that have examined and observed me want me to work with them.

Sanity is highly overrated.

[pcosmar]

FBI and ATF were called rushed to the scene before they knew all of the details (including no gun).



and so? Why were they rushed to a scene of nothing in their purview?
and why is anyone interested in anything they might have to say about something that is not in their professional realm?

Really Zippy. we are not children

[Zippyjuan]

If it was a shooting (as initially reported) is it not under the Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms? The do investigations into those all of the time.

[angelatc]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyY3LFPUAAA11bQ.jpg

[angelatc]

If it was a shooting (as initially reported) is it not under the Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms? The do investigations into those all of the time.

They have an office not too far from Campus. They probably got all excited and ran over there as soon as the call came over the scanner.

i suspect the Cleveland Patch article is wrong about Cincinnati responding. That's like 2 hours away. They'd still be en route when the article was published.

[pcosmar]

If it was a shooting (as initially reported) is it not under the Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms? The do investigations into those all of the time.
No. It would be up to the local jurisdiction to determine what,,,if anything,, had happened in the first place.
and whether it was under the jurisdiction of the federal government at all.

so it is curious as to why they would even be mentioned,, let alone involved.

[angelatc]

No. It would be up to the local jurisdiction to determine what,,,if anything,, had happened in the first place.
and whether it was under the jurisdiction of the federal government at all.

so it is curious as to why they would even be mentioned,, let alone involved.

By all means, call them up and investigate it.

Let me help:

Columbus Field Office

Resident Agent in Charge
230 West Street, Suite 400
Columbus, Ohio 43215
USA View Map (link is external)
Voice: (614) 827-8450 Fax: (614) 827-8462

[AuH20]

https://i.sli.mg/L1VEtN.jpg

Imagine if you walked down a street in Somalia with a large cross. You would probably go missing. These snowflakes don't know how good they have it.

[AuH20]

The sickness is domestic as well.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyZDTNOWIAAXe7A.jpg

[pcosmar]

By all means, call them up and investigate it.

Let me help:

Columbus Field Office

Resident Agent in Charge
230 West Street, Suite 400
Columbus, Ohio 43215
USA View Map (link is external)
Voice: (614) 827-8450 Fax: (614) 827-8462

Really no interest in anything they may be inclined to tell me.

and not in Michigan anymore.

it is a deep and self inflicted wound. (and I have self deleted all other advice)

[AuH20]

heh

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyY9AQ7UUAAOkIS.jpg

[pcosmar]

The sickness is domestic as well.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyZDTNOWIAAXe7A.jpg
Dude,,, it is world wide.

handle it locally and quietly.
local problems are not foreigners.
foreigners have their own problems.

don't make foreign problems your own.

[Zippyjuan]

Meanwhile 40,000 Somali refugees in Ohio did NOT stab anybody today and neither did any of the 3.3 million Muslims in the country.

[AuH20]

Dude,,, it is world wide.

handle it locally and quietly.
local problems are not foreigners.
foreigners have their own problems.

don't make foreign problems your own.

Exactly. 43,000 Somalis should have been moved to a country closer to their cultural desires.

[pcosmar]

Exactly. 43,000 Somalis should have been moved to a country closer to their cultural desires.

42.999 were not an issue.

[asurfaholic]

Refugees are no more a liability than any other person, and considerably less actually. Compare the number of people who are refugees attacking others to the number of natural born Americans doing the same. I bet you'll find it is considerably lower for refugees than natural born Americans.

Refugees aren't invaders. People who say this just sound like idiots because they apparently don't understand the definition of "refugee" or "invader."

I see that you immediately swing to violating the human rights of others as an easy solution. Not only is this not libertarian- you're violently attacking people who have literally done nothing to you in violation of the NAP- but it isn't constitutional or moral either. Collectivist, statist, garbage thinking like this isn't pro-liberty, it is everything liberty is opposed to.

not really completely serious here but I don't see accepting the policy of our government creating chaos in the world and then inviting large groups to immigrate here as refugees as a real strong liberty position either.

Speaking from a local standpoint, we have hoards of Burmese people here who are refugees by all accounts. Don't know the exact story of why they came to be here but they are a large group of very poor people who seem that seem to think they don't have to pay for electrical repairs. As a community they are dirty and out of place here. As a group they do not add to the local economy.

I totally get that crimes are committed across all people and that those crimes are not a representation of anything more than the lack of morality of that individual. But some of these puppies are nuts man and they go slicing their kids up with knives.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-3-burmese-children-stabbed-in-north-carolina-were-ages-1-5-12/

[AuH20]

42.999 were not an issue

yet.


Mass refugee programs are the work of fools and tyrants. If they want to apply for citizenship on an individual basis, then I don't have an issue with it.

[goldenequity]

Trump Campaigned On "Extreme Vetting" of Refugees


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_0xVHkQ8HE




Vetting? Nope.

SAY IT WITH ME: "RADICAL. ISLAMIC. TERRORISM."

[pcosmar]

yet.


Mass refugee programs are the work of fools and tyrants.

the weak and poor are easily manipulated.. they are not my enemy.. they are just other victims.

have to edit;

i am not a victim. I am a reformed predator.

[AuH20]

the weak and poor are easily manipulated.. they are not my enemy.. they are just other victims.

I don't consider them my enemy, but by the same token I shouldn't be forced into defensive engagement with them. When I sleep at night, I don't worry about illiterate Somalis. I wish them peace and prosperity, but incidents like this are far too common. Why the fixation with rape?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuLNoqaXUvo

[Jamesiv1]

In before the NYT discovers a social media post by the perp that says how his hate for Trump made him do it....

[TheCount]

If they want to apply for citizenship on an individual basis, then I don't have an issue with it.Glad to hear that you don't have an issue with it.

(Each refugee applies for their residency on an individual basis. It doesn't include citizenship. That's a separate process, which comes later and is also on an individual basis.)

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Alex Jones hides plenty of news and information - after the fact. He's all about following "information" when it's the speculation phase of whatever the occurrence is, but the moment facts which prove his speculation wrong are available, suddenly he doesn't talk about that topic anymore. Everything goes straight into the memory hole to be forgotten while he chases the next thing.


Your liberal media friends do the exact same thing. They forget about a story and it's on to the next big thing.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Like People Magazine or Alex "FEMA Camp" Jones? LOL! What is it you are doubting about the incident? What is questionable in the report?

How about local news? http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/11/28/what-we-know-now-ohio-state-shooting.html


What makes CNN or anything similar better than Alex Jones? Alex Jones actually does extended interviews with people who are the subject of a news story. That is primary source information. He is no more sensationalist or entertaining than your liberal sources you like.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

It was Jim Harbaugh in disguise.

[oyarde]

Aren't these things always "false flags" or doped up government agents?

Well , :) this kid would be a prime suspect to have been an agent of some govt coming from Somalia and Pakistan , but you would think they would arm him a little better.

[oyarde]

The sickness is domestic as well.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyZDTNOWIAAXe7A.jpg

I bet this retard does not have a machete though. I have plenty.

[The Northbreather]

No gun shooter

BATF presence

Muslim (Refugee/Student/Plant)

and folks defending the incompetence of modern journalists.

yup,, this is RPF and we still have work to do.

There was a crowd outside because a fire alarm went off right when he showed up?

[angelatc]

There was a crowd outside because a fire alarm went off right when he showed up?

I think the speculation is that he pulled the fire alarm.

[phill4paul]

I don't consider them my enemy,

Yes, you do.


I wish them peace and prosperity,

As long as they cannot migrate here.

[The Northbreather]

I think the speculation is that he pulled the fire alarm.

That shows even stronger premeditation, unless it was a team effort. Hope not.

[pcosmar]

I think the speculation is that he pulled the fire alarm.

While he was driving into folks? or hacking at them?

poor reporting is poor,, sloppy or deliberate is questionable.

Who was pushing his buttons?

[dannno]

pcosmar beat me again..

//


I think the speculation is that he pulled the fire alarm.

He's pulling fire alarms and driving at the same time?

More real life Lebowski references...

"I'm not handling the money, driving the car and talking on the phone all by my fu..."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQbpx5Be5rI

[AuH20]

Yes, you do.

I am not in favor of using tax dollars to interfere in their affairs or bring them here. I have no quarrel with them otherwise.



As long as they cannot migrate here.

Just like Thomas Jefferson who had the foresight to identify this problem.

[phill4paul]

I am not in favor of using tax dollars to interfere in their affairs or bring them here. I have no quarrel with them otherwise.




Just like Thomas Jefferson who had the foresight to identify this problem.

So you are for a sponsorship program then? No matter the nation they come from?

[AuH20]

So you are for a sponsorship program then? No matter the nation they come from?

No. I think there should be a 10 year moratorium on all immigration until the proper checks and balances are restored.

[phill4paul]

No. I think there should be a 10 year moratorium on all immigration until the proper checks and balances are restored.

So no one in for ten years. Period. Even if a multi-generational family sponsored, no welfare. Even if it were a western Europe immigrant?

[AuH20]

So no one in for ten years. Period. Even if a multi-generational family sponsored, no welfare. Even if it were a western Europe immigrant?

Yes. I don't play favorites. I'm not a white race warrior. I am an just as disgusted with Scandinavians as I am with Central Americans. Process the existing front end of the list and shut it down until you can repair the system.

[Weston White]

LOL at "investigating." Yeah, Googling to find tidbits to support some wild ass theory you pulled out of your ass is "investigating," and people actually on the scene talking to witnesses are part of the conspiracy.


He was a Somali refugee who left his homeland with his family in 2007, lived in Pakistan and then came to the United States in 2014 as a legal permanent resident of the United States, officials said.

Is is not highly questionable that someone acquired permanent U.S. residency so quickly? Within 2-years, seriously? Especially when considering his actions yesterday? Is it not highly probably that he entered a black ops program in the 7-years he was in Pakistan to be trained by Al Qaeda/ISIS and the CIA in exchange for U.S. citizenship, perhaps as a sleeper agent or cell? And what other motivation would exist to move from Somalia to Pakistan...and then to the USA?

[Weston White]

Alex Jones hides plenty of news and information - after the fact. He's all about following "information" when it's the speculation phase of whatever the occurrence is, but the moment facts which prove his speculation wrong are available, suddenly he doesn't talk about that topic anymore. Everything goes straight into the memory hole to be forgotten while he chases the next thing.

...Hmmm... Do you mean like how he never brings up Waco, 9/11, eugenics, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Boston, and the like?

The real problem is that there is so much evil, increasing exponentially, not only within the USA but all across the globe that no single person can keep track of it all.

[Weston White]

Refugees are no more a liability than any other person, and considerably less actually. Compare the number of people who are refugees attacking others to the number of natural born Americans doing the same. I bet you'll find it is considerably lower for refugees than natural born Americans.

Refugees aren't invaders. People who say this just sound like idiots because they apparently don't understand the definition of "refugee" or "invader."

I see that you immediately swing to violating the human rights of others as an easy solution. Not only is this not libertarian- you're violently attacking people who have literally done nothing to you in violation of the NAP- but it isn't constitutional or moral either. Collectivist, statist, garbage thinking like this isn't pro-liberty, it is everything liberty is opposed to.

These people are subsidized by U.S. taxpayers. In many cases they are elevated above the average citizen, being funded for college, a chain-store, etc.

The underlying concern with many refugees is the dichotomy they represent, regardless of their individual willfulness to turn to violence, most do not want to shed or compromise their ingrained beliefs and costumes and social expectations as realized by them in their homeland, but hold an unwavering mentality that their new home needs to conform to the presence of them and their way of life.

[Weston White]

If it was a shooting (as initially reported) is it not under the Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms? The do investigations into those all of the time.

It was not a shooting until the officer shot the armed subject. The news already knew this but continued to headline the incident for hours before making the correction.

The campus is likely under state jurisdiction, and by no means federal. Now surely the FBI could have been called in to assist by local agencies, but many cities only have small field offices that staff federal agents and it would take (on average) about an hour or so to get them on a call-out request.

Concerning this incident BAFTE really has no business being there (and would otherwise really only provide assistance with processing/investigating evidence), period.

[Weston White]

i suspect the Cleveland Patch article is wrong about Cincinnati responding. That's like 2 hours away. They'd still be en route when the article was published.

But this could not be because the media, like Walmart, is infallible!

[Weston White]

Meanwhile 40,000 Somali refugees in Ohio did NOT stab anybody today and neither did any of the 3.3 million Muslims in the country.

But how many of those are in celebration because of it?

[Weston White]

By all means, call them up and investigate it.

Let me help:

Columbus Field Office

Resident Agent in Charge
230 West Street, Suite 400
Columbus, Ohio 43215
USA View Map (link is external)
Voice: (614) 827-8450 Fax: (614) 827-8462

Here let me save you some time: "We cannot comment on an ongoing investigation. Thank you for your concern and support. Have a nice day. (click)"

[Weston White]

Glad to hear that you don't have an issue with it.

(Each refugee applies for their residency on an individual basis. It doesn't include citizenship. That's a separate process, which comes later and is also on an individual basis.)

Sort of like the NINETEEN 9/11 hijackers that submitted completely incomplete paperwork and fraudulent documents or do you mean like the "underwear bomber" Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab who was being escorted around by the CIA?

I am rather perturbed by your continued idiocy, could you please clarify?

[Weston White]

Your liberal media friends do the exact same thing. They forget about a story and it's on to the next big thing.

Exactly. Observe the way the MSM conducts interviews with somebody about themselves or to promote a book, movie, or public event compared to how they broadcast a political event/agenda or (live) criminal incident. In the latter cases it is just self-serving talking points, and in most instances, the format is identical and the quotations are exact from one media channel to the next.

[Weston White]

I think the speculation is that he pulled the fire alarm.

Well he was a busy little bee, eh? Speeding around in his car, crashing, making Website posts, pulling fire alarms, hacking people with a machete, being so efficient that witnesses were reporting two suspects--all before getting shot dead within the first minute by police.

[TheCount]

Sort of like the NINETEEN 9/11 hijackers that submitted completely incomplete paperwork and fraudulent documents or do you mean like the "underwear bomber" Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab who was being escorted around by the CIA?

Which of them was a refugee?

[Weston White]

Which of them was a refugee?

The guy is a permanent U.S. resident--all in a timeframe of 2-years. Highly suspect, as this would indicate somebody in government was pulling the strings to get him/his family into the USA.

[PierzStyx]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyY3LFPUAAA11bQ.jpg

I'm always curious about what parts people choose to quote.

“If you want us Muslims to stop carrying lone wolf attacks, then make peace,” the post reads. “We will not let you sleep unless you give peace to the Muslims.”

http://abcnews.go.com/US/osu-attack-suspect-identified-abdul-razak-ali-artan/story?id=43827435

A person lashing out in anger because he sees members of his community being killed doesn't sound so crazy. In fact we praise that idea every day when we talk about "respecting the troops." This has little to do with Islam and more to do with how humans react to seeing people they identify with, whether that cultural identification come through nation, ethnicity, religion, race, etc., violently attacked again and again.

His logic is straight-forward. "Stop killing us and we'll stop killing you." I daresay it is the basic idea behind Dr. Ron Paul's foreign policy of military non-intervention and avoiding blowback.

[Zippyjuan]

The guy is a permanent U.S. resident--all in a timeframe of 2-years. Highly suspect, as this would indicate somebody in government was pulling the strings to get him/his family into the USA.

One guy can't be crazy. There has to be some other crazy person behind them. Which means another crazy person behind him and another crazy person behind him and another.....

[Zippyjuan]

But how many of those are in celebration because of it?

Doesn't sound like any of them were celebrating. http://www.businessinsider.com/ohio-state-university-attack-muslim-somali-leaders-denounce-2016-11


Muslim and Somali leaders denounce Ohio State University attack

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) condemned an attack at Ohio State University on Monday that injured at least 9 people and asked the public to avoid rushing to judgment about the suspect's motives.

“Like all of our fellow Columbus citizens we are saddened and heartbroken by this senseless act of violence and we want to condemn in the strongest possible terms this and any other kind senseless violent act,” Jennifer Nimer, Legal Director for the Ohio Chapter of CAIR, said at a news conference late Monday.

The suspect, who police identified as a Somali man named Abdul Razak Ali Artan, allegedly struck pedestrians with his vehicle when he drove onto the university's campus in Columbus, Ohio, before using a weapon to cut several people.

Members of the Muslim and Somali community at the conference also urged the public not to jump to conclusions about the attack as investigators were still uncovering details about the suspect

“We as yet know nothing about the motivation of the attack but we do know of his Somali heritage and that will be enough for some people to falsely link this tragic incident to the faith of Islam and the Somali and Muslim communities,” said Roula Allouch, national board chair of CAIR, said.



http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/11/ohio_state_attacker_wasnt_well.html


Ohio State attack suspect wasn't well-known in Columbus' Somali, Muslim communities

COLUMBUS, Ohio--Ohio State University attack suspect Abdul Artan, a Somali refugee living in Columbus, was not well-known among the city's Somali or Muslim communities, local leaders said Monday evening.

"We don't know who he is," said Horsed Noah, who runs the Masjid Abubakar Asiddiq Islamic Center, the largest such center in Columbus. When Artan's face appeared on television, Noah said, no one in his congregation - which totals more than 2,000 people - recognized him.

Noah was one of a number of Somali and Islamic leaders in Columbus, speaking at a press conference, who strongly condemned the campus attack, which left 11 people injured and Artan dead.

"Any twisted mindset that would claim or justify such a sickening act of violence isn't a part of us," said Abdi Dini, a Somali-American from Columbus. 'The act of an individual shouldn't be blamed on the rest of the community."





More than 50,000 Somali refugees live in Columbus - the second largest Somali population of any American city, after Minneapolis.

And a number of Somali leaders said they have worked diligently to combat Islamic radicalization messages aimed at younger members of their community.

"We have not seen so far any single case in which we would be concerned that there is something happening," said Zerqa Abid, president of MY Project USA, a Columbus-based youth organization that has about 200 members -- mostly Somali refugees.

"The youth that we are working with are very solid."

But, Abid acknowledged, such efforts might not be able to reach everyone.

More at links.

[helmuth_hubener]

His logic is straight-forward. "Stop killing us and we'll stop killing you." I daresay it is the basic idea behind Dr. Ron Paul's foreign policy of military non-intervention and avoiding blowback.

No, Ron Paul supports not going on rampages trying to kill people while shouting Allahu Ackbar.

"Not" is such a little word, I know it can be easy to miss sometimes. Glad I could clear that up.

[angelatc]

His logic is straight-forward. "Stop killing us and we'll stop killing you." I daresay it is the basic idea behind Dr. Ron Paul's foreign policy of military non-intervention and avoiding blowback.

I don't think the students at OSU killed anybody.

[Zippyjuan]

No, Ron Paul supports not going on rampages trying to kill people while shouting Allahu Ackbar.

"Not" is such a little word, I know it can be easy to miss sometimes. Glad I could clear that up.

The attacker at Ohio State wasn't shouting "Allahu Ackbar". In fact, they said he was silent.

[helmuth_hubener]

The attacker at Ohio State wasn't shouting "Allahu Ackbar". In fact, they said he was silent.

Umm, are you haplessly trying to somehow contradict something I wrote?

[angelatc]

One guy can't be crazy. There has to be some other crazy person behind them.

Not just one. There are squadrons of crazy people programming the sane people into becoming crazy people. But they're not the religious crazy people, they're the government crazy people.

[angelatc]

The attacker at Ohio State wasn't shouting "Allahu Ackbar". In fact, they said he was silent.

But he wrote some stuff on his Facebook page, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

[seapilot]

The attacker at Ohio State wasn't shouting "Allahu Ackbar". In fact, they said he was silent.

Yes all Islamic terrists by islam law must say loudly the AA word when attacking infidels.

[oyarde]

I don't think the students at OSU killed anybody.

I am pretty sure of that .

[Danke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1GSrDiD53E

[TheCount]

I don't think the students at OSU killed anybody.

The Buckeyes have 1,776 active military and veterans enrolled and a veteran graduation rate of 75 percent. They give academic credit for military training and are a part of Servicemembers Opportunity Colleges Consortium. Ohio State offers scholarships for military spouses and dependents, and waives the on-campus living requirement for veterans.
http://www.takepart.com/photos/colleges-highest-veteran-graduation-rate/educating-our-veterans

1776 vets out of 65,000 total students. That's about 3%.


Let's get really generous and say that there are 100,000 Muslims in the world who have actively engaged in combat against the West / non-Muslims in support of radical Islam. I think we can all agree that's a severe rounding up.

That would mean that your average OSU student is 480 times more likely to have fought against Muslims than your average Muslim is to have fought against the West / non-Muslims.

[lilymc]

No, Ron Paul supports not going on rampages trying to kill people while shouting Allahu Ackbar.

"Not" is such a little word, I know it can be easy to miss sometimes. Glad I could clear that up.

Thank you. I was astounded that anyone would try to compare that person's actions to Ron Paul.

[Weston White]

Doesn't sound like any of them were celebrating.

What like resident Muslims are going to make their private opinions public? Sure, that is very strategic.


According to the just-released [2015] survey of Muslims, a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.” ...

More than half (51%) of U.S. Muslims polled also believe either that they should have the choice of American or shariah courts, or that they should have their own tribunals to apply shariah.
...
Even more troubling, is the fact that nearly a quarter of the Muslims polled believed that, “It is legitimate to use violence to punish those who give offense to Islam by, for example, portraying the prophet Mohammed.”
. . .
That would translate into roughly 300,000 Muslims living in the United States who believe that shariah is “The Muslim God Allah’s law that Muslims must follow and impose worldwide by Jihad.”

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/


The Islamic State claimed responsibility on Tuesday for the attack at Ohio State University, calling the student who drove his car into pedestrians and then slashed people with a butcher knife a “soldier” of the terrorist group.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/us/ohio-state-university-abdul-artan-islamic-state.html?_r=0

[Weston White]

The attacker at Ohio State wasn't shouting "Allahu Ackbar". In fact, they said he was silent.

As was Sirhan Sirhan, as was James Holmes, as was Adam Lanza, as was Dylann Roof...

[mrsat_98]

Aren't these things always "false flags" or doped up government agents?


The vast majority of the ones that get heavy press coverage are.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzAe9HNhakY

[Brian4Liberty]

Obama Expands War With Al Qaeda to Include Shabab in Somalia (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/27/us/politics/obama-expands-war-with-al-qaeda-to-include-shabab-in-somalia.html)

WASHINGTON — The escalating American military engagement in Somalia has led the Obama administration to expand the legal scope of the war against Al Qaeda, a move that will strengthen President-elect Donald J. Trump’s authority to combat thousands of Islamist fighters in the chaotic Horn of Africa nation.

The administration has decided to deem the Shabab, the Islamist militant group in Somalia, to be part of the armed conflict that Congress authorized against the perpetrators of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, according to senior American officials. The move is intended to shore up the legal basis for an intensifying campaign of airstrikes and other counterterrorism operations, carried out largely in support of African Union and Somali government forces.
...
More: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/27/us/politics/obama-expands-war-with-al-qaeda-to-include-shabab-in-somalia.html

[Zippyjuan]

As was Sirhan Sirhan, as was James Holmes, as was Adam Lanza, as was Dylann Roof...

Mostly white dudes and not Muslims- Sirhan was a Christian. Holmes was not Muslim but converted later. Adam Lanza attended Catholic Church. Roof was Lutheran. All whites and Christians are terrorists I guess.

[RandallFan]

Mostly mixed race, immigrants & jewish shooters disproportionately..

[AuH20]

https://youtu.be/45m9F3e1k3w