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devil21
11-27-2016, 03:02 PM
Passed the House on 11-15. Referred to Senate. Includes assessing no-fly zone, economic sanctions and other acts of war. Congress and Obama are lame ducks so they don't have much reason to let it die. Instead, I think they'd rather continue the process it while there's still a "functioning government" and/or dump the consequences into the laps of the next Congress and administration.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/5732/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22H.R.+5732%22%5D%7D&r=1

Zippyjuan
11-27-2016, 03:13 PM
The President is lame duck but Republicans will still be in control over the House and Senate. (Passed House on voice vote with no objections).

vita3
11-27-2016, 03:33 PM
"and hold Syrian human rights abusers accountable for their crimes."

All those CIA folks/contractors training jihad proxies in Turkey & Jordan are going to be held accountable?..

devil21
11-28-2016, 05:38 PM
The President is lame duck but Republicans will still be in control over the House and Senate. (Passed House on voice vote with no objections).

Obviously I meant that Congress has outgoing losing/quitting members, nothing to do with parties. Especially since war is always a bipartisan effort as your parenthetical statement proves.

seapilot
11-28-2016, 05:48 PM
Makes sense, lame ducks cant fly. Sorry, the Texan humor is contagious.

69360
11-28-2016, 05:50 PM
There will never be a no fly zone over Syria. To have a no fly zone you have to take out Assad's air defenses. Russia will not allow this to happen without reprisals. That would be WW3. So it's all just talk.

I don't like Trump, but his proposal to work with the Russians is better than what Obama is doing now. The best thing to do would be nothing. This is not our fight.

vita3
11-28-2016, 06:38 PM
Russia has seriously increased it's fighter jets & heli's & Syrian Army is making major gains in Aleppo. Egypt is even openly helping Assad Gov.

Anybody talking about a no fly zone on 11/28/2016 is not realistic.

AZJoe
11-28-2016, 07:10 PM
What is a call for an aggressive act of war with potentially devastating far reaching consequences is passed only by "suspension of the rules". “Suspension of the rules (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_the_rules_in_the_United_States_Congr ess) is a procedure generally used to quickly pass non-controversial bills in the United States House of Representatives ….such as naming Post Offices…”. So an act of war in violation of international law, with worldwide consequences that could potentially lead to WW3 is "non-controversial".

And yet our mainstream media is uniformly predictably mute on this issue calling for what is legally and factually an aggressive act of war in violation of international law, with predictably disturbing consequences, and direct military confrontation with Russia.

So while our supposed "true news" mainstream media hides and suppresses this disturbing and dangerous act calling for illegal war, it is only our "fake" alternative news sources shining the light of truth on what is happening.

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/11/22/us-house-seeks-syria-war-escalation/
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/media-silent-house-passes-no-fly-zone/
http://theduran.com/war-with-russia-us-politicians-close-to-approving-no-fly-zone-in-syria/

Zippyjuan
11-28-2016, 07:27 PM
No Fly Zone.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/08/28/article-1050305-0272EBBB00000578-109_468x554.jpg

juleswin
11-28-2016, 08:01 PM
Makes sense, lame ducks cant fly. Sorry, the Texan humor is contagious.

lol, you should be ashamed for taking posts from our resident funny man.

jllundqu
11-30-2016, 10:35 AM
How the HELL did we miss this???

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/11/u-s-house-votes-for-no-fly-zone-in-syria-leading-the-charge-for-world-war-3.html


On November 15, 2016, the U.S. House of Representatives convened a special session with the normal rules of order suspended and passed H.R. 5732, also known as the Caesar Syria Civilian Protection Act. The CSCPA passed unanimously with only forty minutes of “debate” on the floor. Because normal rules were suspended, only a few members of Congress were present for the vote and, conveniently, those members who were present were all warmongers.

The CSCPA, of course, is a bill that both toughens the sanctions on Syria and calls for the creation of a No Fly Zone.

In terms of the new sanctions, the bill would impose new penalties and sanctions on entities doing business with the Syrian government, military, and intelligence. The legislation also requires the President to report to Congress regarding the viability of a No Fly Zone over Syria.

It also allows the Secretary of State to compile and gather evidence for the purpose of prosecuting those who are alleged to have committed war crimes and crimes against humanity. This, of course, is all based upon the assumption that the Syrian government has committed such crimes and that only the Syrian government has committed them.

Among the members present who engaged in the forty minutes of “debate” were: Ed Royce, R-California; Eliot Engel, D-New York; Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Florida; Dan Kildee, D-Michigan; Chris Smith, R-New Jersey; and Carlos Curbelo, R-Florida. All of these individuals spoke in favor of the bill.

The establishment of a “No-Fly Zone” is tantamount to a declaration of war. Such has even been admitted by top U.S. Generals when explaining exactly what a No Fly Zone would entail. As General Carter Ham stated,


We should make no bones about it. It first entails killing a lot of people and destroying the Syrian air defenses and those people who are manning those systems. And then it entails destroying the Syrian air force, preferably on the ground, in the air if necessary. This is a violent combat action that results in lots of casualties and increased risk to our own personnel.

General Philip Breedlove also echoed this description when he said,


I know it sounds stark, but what I always tell people when they talk to me about a no-fly zone is . . . it’s basically to start a war with that country because you are going to have to go in and kinetically take out their air defense capability.

When Senator Roger Wicker asked Gen. Joe Dunford what it would take to impose a No Fly Zone upon Syria, the General responded, “Right now… for us to control all of the airspace in Syria would require us to go to war against Syria and Russia.”


Notably, the bill is named after the infamous “Caesar” fraud, an alleged former Syrian military photographer who was allegedly tasked with documenting the Syrian government’s alleged war crimes by . . . the Syrian government. It is claimed that Caesar had a Damascus road conversion and could no longer take the pressures of his job and subsequently came clean to the world and exposed the Assad government for its alleged crimes against humanity.

Coming at just the right time to ignite outrage and indignation in the dazed American public, as virtually every other report and “incident” in Syria attempted to do since 2010, an alleged “Syrian defector” allegedly provided thousands of photographs revealing what mainstream propagandists called a “smoking gun” of Assad’s humanitarian crimes.

The alleged defector, who went only by the name “Caesar,” spoke in front of a closed-door session of the House Foreign Affairs Committee in late July, 2014.

The photos, which were supposed to number in the tens of thousands were “analyzed” by the Federal Bureau of Investigation at the request of the Ambassador-At-Large For War Crimes, Steven J.Rapp.

Rapp stated in an interview that the photos were “horrific — some of them put you in visceral pain. This is some of the strongest evidence we’ve seen in the area of proof of the commission of mass atrocities.”

Rapp, apparently intending to head off any suggestions that the photos may be either fakes or photos of some other atrocity perhaps committed by the death squads armed, trained, funded, and directed by NATO, claimed that the FBI assured him that they think it is impossible that the photographs could have been forgeries. Rapp said that the FBI assured him there was no evidence of doctoring. This, of course, is quite a bizarre conclusion to reach since the investigation was not yet over when Rapp quoted the FBI as saying the photos were real. Thus, one must wonder if the FBI had determined the veracity of the photographs before even opening the packages they came in.


More at link.

Danke
11-30-2016, 10:39 AM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?504693-Lame-ducks-moving-forward-with-Syria-no-fly-zone&highlight=

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?504730-Syria-No-Fly-Zone-Aleppo-Pocket-Collapsing!-Western-Mercenaries-Losing-War&highlight=

jllundqu
11-30-2016, 10:41 AM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?504693-Lame-ducks-moving-forward-with-Syria-no-fly-zone&highlight=

Thanks. I searched for it but didn't see it. Was looking in Foreign affairs sub....

devil21
01-25-2017, 01:46 PM
Apparently Trump is going to move forward with an EO in conjunction with this legislation when it is reintroduced to the new Congress. EO being drafted.

https://twitter.com/LovedayM/status/824328045477658624

Trump got a pen and phone! He's making Obama look like a piker when it comes to EOs.