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libertythor
12-09-2007, 04:07 PM
Watch Univision debate live on the web here:

http://www.univision.com/content/content.jhtml?cid=1276495

This is for those that don't get Univision in their area.


Please sticky!

The text in Spanish on the page says: "The live broadcast of the Republican Presidential Forum will commence on the 9th of December, 7/6 PM Central. Please refresh this page at that time to be able to view it."

The debate will begin at 7 PM Eastern. Coverage will be given on ronpaulradio.com; be sure to tune in for that too.

Frankie Lee
12-09-2007, 04:09 PM
i can't read that.
what time is it on?

axiomata
12-09-2007, 04:10 PM
i can't read that.
what time is it on?
the numbers are in english ;)

libertythor
12-09-2007, 04:11 PM
post updated

Frankie Lee
12-09-2007, 04:12 PM
ahh si si senor

libertythor
12-09-2007, 04:16 PM
bump

nist7
12-09-2007, 04:17 PM
Has anyone found where we can watch a live, non-spanish dubover webcast?

angrydragon
12-09-2007, 04:18 PM
4pm PST

Although it says 7pm on tvguide for the LA area.

libertythor
12-09-2007, 04:20 PM
Has anyone found where we can watch a live, non-spanish dubover webcast?

If there are no technical difficulties on my end, I'll do it on ron paul radio. :) At the very least I will give a play by play in the #rpr.es channel on irc.ronpaul.name in chat. Thats if I can't get a quality skype call into our people at the debate.

nist7
12-09-2007, 04:24 PM
If there are no technical difficulties on my end, I'll do it on ron paul radio. :) At the very least I will give a play by play in the #rpr.es channel on irc.ronpaul.name in chat. Thats if I can't get a quality skype call into our people at the debate.

Awesome! :cool:

MRoCkEd
12-09-2007, 04:25 PM
can we turn off spanish on our tvs?

Non_Serviam
12-09-2007, 04:26 PM
bumpity bump bump bump!

Lyn
12-09-2007, 04:27 PM
If there are no technical difficulties on my end, I'll do it on ron paul radio. :) At the very least I will give a play by play in the #rpr.es channel on irc.ronpaul.name in chat. Thats if I can't get a quality skype call into our people at the debate.

Thank you!! Gracias!!

libertythor
12-09-2007, 04:27 PM
bumpity bump bump bump!

Thanks Non!!! Bumper cars in action.

rasheedwallace
12-09-2007, 04:29 PM
do they respond in english and then have it translated? i want to hear it and understand it.

Danny Molina
12-09-2007, 04:30 PM
We people on the west coast always get screwed about live TV.

pacelli
12-09-2007, 04:32 PM
Anyone want to take a guess at how much talk-time the good Doctor will get in this debate compared to the others?

nist7
12-09-2007, 04:33 PM
Anyone want to take a guess at how much talk-time the good Doctor will get in this debate compared to the others?

This will be very interesting.

Lyn
12-09-2007, 04:35 PM
Anyone want to take a guess at how much talk-time the good Doctor will get in this debate compared to the others?

Answer: The least of anyone.

This is becoming so transparent to even those who don't support Dr. Paul. My kid walked into the room half way through the last debate saw what I was watching and said, "So are they letting him talk yet?".

Geronimo
12-09-2007, 04:35 PM
Destino 2008: Foro Presidencial Republicano!!

Ozwest
12-09-2007, 04:37 PM
How long until it starts?

pacelli
12-09-2007, 04:40 PM
Answer: The least of anyone.

This is becoming so transparent to even those who don't support Dr. Paul. My kid walked into the room half way through the last debate saw what I was watching and said, "So are they letting him talk yet?".

My prediction is that, given time, Dr. Paul will handle his responses better than any of the other candidates when it comes to the immigration issue. I'm sure he will bring up the economic implications and relate it to the impact on legal immigrant salaries. I haven't watched much Univision, but I hope they conduct a fair debate in terms of the times.

Concerning the time in the last debate, although Dr. Paul did not get a fair amount of quantity, he made up for it in the quality of his responses.

nist7
12-09-2007, 04:42 PM
How long until it starts?

In about 1 hour and 20min.

nbhadja
12-09-2007, 04:51 PM
So will we hear the questions and answers in english in this link before they translate it into spanish?

Ozwest
12-09-2007, 04:52 PM
Thanks nist7.

BlueGecko
12-09-2007, 04:53 PM
In my area its not dubbed its subtitled in spanish so check local television

austin356
12-09-2007, 04:55 PM
no hablo espansol

walt
12-09-2007, 04:59 PM
is there any pure english feed for this Djloti? justin tv? anyone?

AtomiC
12-09-2007, 05:01 PM
Is there anyway to watch this debate in ENGLISH!? There has to be an English feed somewhere on the web

Geronimo
12-09-2007, 05:05 PM
There is yet to be a yes or no answer to that question.

Qiu
12-09-2007, 05:07 PM
It says that the topics tonight are immigration, healthcare, and education.

MadViking10
12-09-2007, 05:16 PM
For those of you with DirecTV its on channel 402.

cujothekitten
12-09-2007, 05:17 PM
Stuck the thread. If anyone can find this streaming in english let us know

Perium
12-09-2007, 05:22 PM
If there are no technical difficulties on my end, I'll do it on ron paul radio. :) At the very least I will give a play by play in the #rpr.es channel on irc.ronpaul.name in chat. Thats if I can't get a quality skype call into our people at the debate.

Didnt realize we had a IRC server.

MadViking10
12-09-2007, 05:33 PM
Ron Paul is most loved by the Cubans in Miami.. translated by my wife.

Lots of video of Ron Paul so far. =)

SeanEdwards
12-09-2007, 05:40 PM
On Univision's website:


"Aseguró que un gran esfuerzo de recaudación de fondos a través de internet planeado para el 16 de diciembre podría elevar el total del cuarto trimestre en varios millones de dólares."


That's good coverage right there.

And while I don't speak Spanish, from what I can make out the other coverage they have of Paul on their website is very fair and respectful.

ronpaulfollower999
12-09-2007, 05:43 PM
On Univision's website:



That's good coverage right there.

And while I don't speak Spanish, from what I can make out the other coverage they have of Paul on their website is very fair and respectful.

Something about December 16......

MadViking10
12-09-2007, 06:05 PM
Ron Paul gets indroduced and a pretty good cheer from the crowd.

trey4sports
12-09-2007, 06:06 PM
Ron Paul gets indroduced and a pretty good cheer from the crowd.

i think it was louder than any others....even ghouliani

austin356
12-09-2007, 06:06 PM
I cannot understand!!!!!!!

MadViking10
12-09-2007, 06:06 PM
The Ghoul gets the first question. (No idea what the questions are and you cannot hear what the candidates are saying. =(

LibertyEagle
12-09-2007, 06:06 PM
Anyone find anywhere to see the English closed captions?

Danny Molina
12-09-2007, 06:06 PM
It's in Spanish.

LukeP
12-09-2007, 06:09 PM
If only they didn't speak over the candidates responses at least I could hear that much.

LibertyEagle
12-09-2007, 06:10 PM
It's in Spanish.

Duh. But, I'm looking for a place where they aren't talked over with Spanish. Surely, there is somewhere.

TVMH
12-09-2007, 06:11 PM
I don't get Univision with regular cable. :confused:

speciallyblend
12-09-2007, 06:11 PM
your screwed unless you speak spanish,at least they should have english words streaming

MadViking10
12-09-2007, 06:12 PM
This is absolutely stunning, that with as few times as the American public gets to see these candidates debate, not a single english language news station has bothered to carry this. Yet EVERY one of them had the programing time to show the Romney infomercial last week !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

Hucks sorry ass is tape delayed on Glenn Beck. A two fer for his sorry ass.

Danny Molina
12-09-2007, 06:14 PM
It will be in english subtitles on CC3 they said.

robskicks
12-09-2007, 06:15 PM
I speak Spanish fluently and this is hard to follow. Bad interpreting...

torchbearer
12-09-2007, 06:15 PM
what did ron just say?

undergroundrr
12-09-2007, 06:15 PM
My TV has CC1 & CC2 but not CC3! Any ideas?

axiomata
12-09-2007, 06:16 PM
RP gets some cheers. Man I wish I could speak Spanish.

risiusj
12-09-2007, 06:16 PM
All I got from Ron Paul's first question was that glare that Rudy shot him.

cayton
12-09-2007, 06:16 PM
Just got home from work... Is there NOWHERE to watch this in english?

austin356
12-09-2007, 06:17 PM
It will be in english subtitles on CC3 they said.



many of us dont even get the channel.

I have hundreds of channels and all the packages and get no spanish channels.

OptionsTrader
12-09-2007, 06:17 PM
Just got home from work... Is there NOWHERE to watch this in english?

At the NSA, listening in on Ron's forced-on cell phone perhaps........

Eric23
12-09-2007, 06:17 PM
Ron spoke against the war right off the bat saying both Hispanics and Non-Hispanics alike want to the war to end and focus on liberty here in the country.

kalami
12-09-2007, 06:17 PM
My TV has CC1 & CC2 but not CC3! Any ideas?

hehe same =(

ladyliberty
12-09-2007, 06:17 PM
?donde esta youtube in engles?

Danny Molina
12-09-2007, 06:18 PM
If you're in the EAST try the closed caption and SAP options on your TV.

srps2233
12-09-2007, 06:18 PM
I'm not a native Spanish speaker so I didn't get everything, but basically he said that we were focusing too much on war instead of peace, liberty, and America, and for that reason the Republicans are losing the Hispanic vote.

OptionsTrader
12-09-2007, 06:18 PM
Where's DSPKramer, we need some peeps from deaf for Ron Paul to lip read, lol........

speciallyblend
12-09-2007, 06:19 PM
imagine how many mexican people are going dam i dont understand what they are saying,can they speak english

robskicks
12-09-2007, 06:19 PM
I'ma try to translate word for word...

haha translating from english to spanish back to english

OptionsTrader
12-09-2007, 06:20 PM
Looks like a question about English as the official language.

AlexMerced
12-09-2007, 06:21 PM
ROn Paul said english should be official for legal purposes, but biligualism in schools i up to the states and he encourages it

j0ew00ds
12-09-2007, 06:23 PM
as i said in the title, ronpaulradio.com is about to have play by play in english.

robskicks
12-09-2007, 06:23 PM
Best I could do sorry:

What is practical about English being the only language in the United States?
It's practical because we all can understand it. Some people may feel jealous inferior if they don't understand the language. However, there should be a common language us as public officers talk english and all our laws are in English. People should learn English. That's not to say that in schools and other things we can't accommodate people learning the language. The constitution says its allowable for different languages so this doesn't mean that bilingual doesn't have a place in the United States.

MadViking10
12-09-2007, 06:24 PM
The longer this thing goes on the angrier I get. Seems to me like an excellent debate. Void of the candidates trying to talk over one another. Lots of opportunites to speak for each of the candidates. There is no reasonable explaination for this not to be shown on the english news channels at the same time.

Ayse
12-09-2007, 06:25 PM
Where on ronpaulradio?



as i said in the title, ronpaulradio.com is about to have play by play in english.

OptionsTrader
12-09-2007, 06:26 PM
Do they have the questions before the debate? The candidates seem to be answering right after the Spanish question is asked.

Dutch
12-09-2007, 06:26 PM
And it even looks like all candidates are getting equal speaking time.
Worth noting.

Dutch

Oliver
12-09-2007, 06:27 PM
as i said in the title, ronpaulradio.com is about to have play by play in english.


Yep, it works just fine watching the live-stream and listening
to rp-radio at the same time... :)

jasonoliver
12-09-2007, 06:27 PM
I love how people who only speak spanish want everything in the world translated into spanish including ballots......

......But they won't translate their spanish debate into English. Good on Tancredo for boycotting this piece of shit debate!

tsetsefly
12-09-2007, 06:27 PM
ill do translations, or as much as I can here...

OptionsTrader
12-09-2007, 06:27 PM
I love how people who only speak spanish want everything in the world translated into spanish including ballots......

......But they won't translate their spanish debate into English. Good on Tancredo for boycotting this piece of shit debate!

No value added. Please go away.

robskicks
12-09-2007, 06:28 PM
This is a much better debate then that CNN SHIT.

robskicks
12-09-2007, 06:30 PM
JOHN MCCAIN kissing major Mexican ass.

tsetsefly
12-09-2007, 06:30 PM
mccain has mentioned he visit the troops on thanksgiving every answer, what a tool...

jasonoliver
12-09-2007, 06:31 PM
No value added. Please go away.

This is important. Mexico does not have the tradition of freedom that is in America. Pat Buchanan is right about this invasion of Spanish speaking mexicans tearing America apart.

Geronimo
12-09-2007, 06:31 PM
as i said in the title, ronpaulradio.com is about to have play by play in english.


Not doing a very good job.

Aballistar
12-09-2007, 06:33 PM
Not at all.

tsetsefly
12-09-2007, 06:33 PM
haha thomsons translator is an idiot, he is trying t speak like him it sounds horrible... but in general they have terrible translators... I dont think they can speak spanish properly, haha...

chipvogel
12-09-2007, 06:34 PM
This is Florida....when are they gonna talk about Cuba?

LukeP
12-09-2007, 06:35 PM
ill do translations, or as much as I can here...

thank you.

AlexMerced
12-09-2007, 06:36 PM
Romneys translator is very mean sounding compared to what I hear romney behind him

jasonoliver
12-09-2007, 06:36 PM
Romney: "Vote for me and I'll hire your illegal cousin to trim my hedges"

AlexMerced
12-09-2007, 06:37 PM
Duncan is really proud of his fence

AlexMerced
12-09-2007, 06:39 PM
blah, ask this one to Paul damn it!!!

question: what would you do about the anti-hispanic sentiment

Minuteman
12-09-2007, 06:40 PM
Hmm, wonder what Ron Paul thinks about some of this.

AlexMerced
12-09-2007, 06:41 PM
Huge APPLAUSE FOR RON PAUL

Great answer, basically he answered the questions with his typical anti-id card, scapegoat to welfare state response. HUGE APPLAUSE

axiomata
12-09-2007, 06:41 PM
what did he say to get that sudden cheer (and what was the ?)?

angrydragon
12-09-2007, 06:41 PM
Ron Paul is getting huge cheers.

nbhadja
12-09-2007, 06:41 PM
I love how people who only speak spanish want everything in the world translated into spanish including ballots......

......But they won't translate their spanish debate into English. Good on Tancredo for boycotting this piece of shit debate!

AGREED. Talk about being hypocritical.

CavortingChicken
12-09-2007, 06:42 PM
yes that sounded good haha

srps2233
12-09-2007, 06:42 PM
He said no national ID.

Magsec
12-09-2007, 06:42 PM
I could actually hear through the Spanish speaker for a quarter of RP's last response lol

robskicks
12-09-2007, 06:42 PM
Best I could do sorry.... I'll keep adding to this everytime Ron Speaks...

What is practical about English being the only language in the United States?
It's practical because we all can understand it. Some people may feel jealous inferior if they don't understand the language. However, there should be a common language us as public officers talk english and all our laws are in English. People should learn English. That's not to say that in schools and other things we can't accommodate people learning the language. The constitution says its allowable for different languages so this doesn't mean that bilingual doesn't have a place in the United States.

Why do most Hispanic feel a resentment towards the Republican party? And how will you fix this negative image?
One thing is if we want to prevent resentment is if we allow one set of immigrants into the country, it should be the same with all. We can't be spending taxpayer money building fences on one side of the border but not the other. The reason immigration is such a hot button issue is because the economy is failing. If we spent less and fix the economy this will not even be a problem to us.

BTW- I'm doing this quickly forgive my grammar.

CavortingChicken
12-09-2007, 06:42 PM
i must have said alot more than that

AlexMerced
12-09-2007, 06:43 PM
I hate Tejano music... almost more than Country... though their technically the same thing

reaver
12-09-2007, 06:43 PM
Now I only speak spanish when waking up from dreams but I think he just hit that question out of the ballpark.

XelR8r
12-09-2007, 06:44 PM
what did he say to get that sudden cheer (and what was the ?)?

The question is why is there so much anti hispanic sentiment and Dr. Paul knocked it out of the park by saying that immigrants are scapegoated due to a poor economy.

AlexMerced
12-09-2007, 06:44 PM
i must have said alot more than that

he said no id card, abolish welfare, and they went nuts

Scribbler de Stebbing
12-09-2007, 06:44 PM
Isn't CSPAN or anyone else broadcasting this so we can hear the candidates' answers without the translation talking over? Just wondering.

microsect
12-09-2007, 06:44 PM
Ok I speak Spanish and so far the crowd has cheered after some Ron Paul’s answers. He did get boo's after a chaves question though. If you need Spanish lessons let me know:

Hello means Hola

Ron Paul for life means: Ron paul por vida!

torchbearer
12-09-2007, 06:44 PM
he got several cheers during that answer...

XelR8r
12-09-2007, 06:45 PM
Hugo Chavez got the biggest cheer.

AlexMerced
12-09-2007, 06:45 PM
She Called Him John Paul.... Hisssssssss

torchbearer
12-09-2007, 06:45 PM
now boos?

XelR8r
12-09-2007, 06:45 PM
They don't like Dr. Paul comparing chavez to castro and stalin

CavortingChicken
12-09-2007, 06:46 PM
ummmm

jasonoliver
12-09-2007, 06:46 PM
I wish I knew what Asshat McCain was smirking about while Ron Paul was talking!

leipo
12-09-2007, 06:46 PM
uh-oh, what was being said? Someone please translate.

0zzy
12-09-2007, 06:46 PM
wow, massive boos.

SamLowrey
12-09-2007, 06:46 PM
Major disappointment in Ron Paul cowtowing to the illegal alien industry.

icon124
12-09-2007, 06:47 PM
ok whats going on...fuck....why is this in spanish lol....just shows u that ENGLISH isnt are language anymore lol

Malum Prohibitum
12-09-2007, 06:47 PM
damnit, now I cant even get a stream... someone please get a recording of this either audo or video and post a link!

robskicks
12-09-2007, 06:47 PM
Best I could do sorry.... I'll keep adding to this everytime Ron Speaks...

What is practical about English being the only language in the United States?
It's practical because we all can understand it. Some people may feel jealous inferior if they don't understand the language. However, there should be a common language us as public officers talk english and all our laws are in English. People should learn English. That's not to say that in schools and other things we can't accommodate people learning the language. The constitution says its allowable for different languages so this doesn't mean that bilingual doesn't have a place in the United States.

Why do most Hispanic feel a resentment towards the Republican party? And how will you fix this negative image?
One thing is if we want to prevent resentment is if we allow one set of immigrants into the country, it should be the same with all. We can't be spending taxpayer money building fences on one side of the border but not the other. The reason immigration is such a hot button issue is because the economy is failing. If we spent less and fix the economy this will not even be a problem to us.

How should we deal with Chavez?
He isn't the easiest person to talk to but we should speak to him as we speak to everyone else. That is with a courteous manner. We spoke to Stalin. We created Castro! We got into their affairs. (WEIRD CROWD REACTION)

BTW- I'm doing this quickly forgive my grammar.

torchbearer
12-09-2007, 06:47 PM
he's honest.

OptionsTrader
12-09-2007, 06:47 PM
Major disappointment in Ron Paul cowtowing to the illegal alien industry.

BS. He said nothing different than he always has. Don't try to hijack this thread with your spin.

CavortingChicken
12-09-2007, 06:48 PM
HAHA thsi is just too funny, trying to guess what is being said

SamLowrey
12-09-2007, 06:48 PM
BS. He said nothing different than he always has.

The fact he even showed up.

robskicks
12-09-2007, 06:49 PM
Best I could do sorry.... I'll keep adding to this everytime Ron Speaks...

What is practical about English being the only language in the United States?
It's practical because we all can understand it. Some people may feel jealous inferior if they don't understand the language. However, there should be a common language us as public officers talk english and all our laws are in English. People should learn English. That's not to say that in schools and other things we can't accommodate people learning the language. The constitution says its allowable for different languages so this doesn't mean that bilingual doesn't have a place in the United States.

Why do most Hispanic feel a resentment towards the Republican party? And how will you fix this negative image?
One thing is if we want to prevent resentment is if we allow one set of immigrants into the country, it should be the same with all. We can't be spending taxpayer money building fences on one side of the border but not the other. The reason immigration is such a hot button issue is because the economy is failing. If we spent less and fix the economy this will not even be a problem to us.

How should we deal with Chavez?
He isn't the easiest person to talk to but we should speak to him as we speak to everyone else. That is with a courteous manner. We spoke to Stalin. We created Castro! We got into their affairs. (WEIRD CROWD REACTION)

BTW- I'm doing this quickly forgive my grammar. Don't take this literally word for word...

tsetsefly
12-09-2007, 06:49 PM
Question: How do you stop the anti-hispanic sentiment(which is non existant, imo)

Paul: el tono negativo una cosa es si queremos prevenir terminos negativos, no teneom id card, como podemos hacer eso,, tenerlas par immigrantes si no tenerlas para los demans, eso nos lleva a carnet nacional, recentimiento viene de la economic, hay recentimiento porque welfare afecta, trabajos se van al exterior, locas and state governments pressure by local gov to comply with welfare...
The negative tone is something we have to prevent and find where its coming from. First a national ID card for would be terrible, how could we do that, have id cards for immigrants? that woudl eventually lead to all americans requiring Id cards (applause followed). I think the resentment comes from the state of the economy, we have welfare, jobs leaving... Welfare affects local and state government who are pressured by federal law to comply with federal welfare mandates this creates resentment, what we need is a stronger economy...

Paul (how coudl we deal with chavez):well he is not the easiest person to deal with. But we have to talk, trade and deal wiht everyone, we did with stalin, mao etc. In fact we should trade and talk with cuba. Let me tell you why. We have created many of these leaders because of meddling in their policies (latin american policies).

Btw these translations are not word to word.
He got the boos from venezuelans and cubans int he arena, needless to say... pathetic, those iditos are the ones that let their countries be taken over so fuck off idiots...

CavortingChicken
12-09-2007, 06:49 PM
I have so much homework... why am i watching this? haha

Aballistar
12-09-2007, 06:49 PM
Hm, seems the mexicans don't like Ron's stance on trading and talking to Venezuala? I'm surprised. Guess they don't like Chavez either.

DenisGermany
12-09-2007, 06:49 PM
It's a tough anti-commie crowd in the audience, and they are booing everything which isn't strongly and outspoken AGAINST Chavez and Castro. When Ron Paul said, let's talk to them, they didn't like it :)

Dutch
12-09-2007, 06:49 PM
Rudy tried to pick on Paul about the Chavez issue... and he was met with BOOOOs :D
Not that I understood it, but I am hoping it's another one of those "thank you Rudy for attacking me" moments :-)

Dutch

jasonoliver
12-09-2007, 06:49 PM
Major disappointment in Ron Paul cowtowing to the illegal alien industry.

Yeah they love Chavez because the DO NOT have the tradition of Freedom which is native to America.

This is why Ron Paul should have boycotted this debate!

Seth M.
12-09-2007, 06:50 PM
I know many of you will not want to do this.. But if you turn your tv up all the way and if you have surround sound it too all the way up.. you can hear the candidates and channel out the translator.

Ron Paul:
paraphrasing..

How can you have a tamper proof id?... (applause) ... I am absolutely opposed to a national id card (applause) we have to realize where the resentment comes from... the economy is weak... etc war... dollar.. job going overseas... good pay going down.. the federal government is putting the pressure in the states... some of our hospitals are closing... IF we get rid of welfare.. spending overseas.. get healthy economy and sound money.. THE RESENTMENT WOULD BE GREATLY DEMINISHED (applause) :)

Minuteman
12-09-2007, 06:51 PM
From what I saw was the jist fo the conversation was this. SHe starts out stating how the Venz. voted not to amend their Constitution but Chavez wants to have another vote. Then they asked what we would do aboout Chavez.

I guess the crowd wants us to assassinate him or something, im not sure.

hatefalseweight
12-09-2007, 06:52 PM
I'm not sure what the feeling among FL hispanics would be toward Chavez ... they are very anti-Castro and Chavez has cozied up to him ... I don't think most people realize Chavez has been helping Latin America pay off IMF loans , do barter deals to skirt use of the dollar, and generally thwarting the globablists plans to ensnare Latin America in the new world order with the trade deals and all the rest. So maybe they just see Chavez as another Castro ... they're probably a strange mix of pro-mexico / illegal immigration , brainwashed on some of these other leaders the globablists have branded as dictators

CavortingChicken
12-09-2007, 06:52 PM
nice bracelet baby face!

torchbearer
12-09-2007, 06:53 PM
Dr. Paul needs to say..."and they call me the isolationist" after all the hating on cuba.

PlaytoWin
12-09-2007, 06:54 PM
Great, we finalyy ge ot the Iraq issue!

SamLowrey
12-09-2007, 06:54 PM
Yeah they love Chavez because the DO NOT have the tradition of Freedom which is native to America.

This is why Ron Paul should have boycotted this debate!

Isn't it funny it is an acceptable stereotype to call "Hispanics" emotional when it is spun as a positive or quirky thing, but the truth is a society made up of people who are more emotional than rational will always fail.

Minuteman
12-09-2007, 06:55 PM
So let me get this right. THey democratically elected Chavez. ANd now they want America to come in and remove him?

CavortingChicken
12-09-2007, 06:56 PM
i think mccain got a chubby when they moved to the iraq topic

Aballistar
12-09-2007, 06:56 PM
Mexico is not Venezuala.

robskicks
12-09-2007, 06:56 PM
Well since alot of you guys are translating now... should I stop?

Aballistar
12-09-2007, 06:57 PM
No :P

SamLowrey
12-09-2007, 06:57 PM
I'm not sure what the feeling among FL hispanics would be toward Chavez ... they are very anti-Castro and Chavez has cozied up to him ... I don't think most people realize Chavez has been helping Latin America pay off IMF loans , do barter deals to skirt use of the dollar, and generally thwarting the globablists plans to ensnare Latin America in the new world order with the trade deals and all the rest. So maybe they just see Chavez as another Castro ... they're probably a strange mix of pro-mexico / illegal immigration , brainwashed on some of these other leaders the globablists have branded as dictators

Yeah, you hit upon something with Chavez. He is a fly in the ointment for the globalists and bless him for it! :)

LibertyEagle
12-09-2007, 06:57 PM
Major disappointment in Ron Paul cowtowing to the illegal alien industry.

Where did you get that idea? He doesn't cowtow to anyone.

leipo
12-09-2007, 06:58 PM
Well since alot of you guys are translating now... should I stop?

No, please continue if you'd like to.
I got the most out of it from your translations. Thanks,

TheIndependent
12-09-2007, 06:59 PM
The Ron Paul Radio feed seems to have stopped.

robskicks
12-09-2007, 07:02 PM
Okay good enough for me I'll continue...

Best I could do sorry.... I'll keep adding to this everytime Ron Speaks...

What is practical about English being the only language in the United States?
It's practical because we all can understand it. Some people may feel jealous inferior if they don't understand the language. However, there should be a common language us as public officers talk english and all our laws are in English. People should learn English. That's not to say that in schools and other things we can't accommodate people learning the language. The constitution says its allowable for different languages so this doesn't mean that bilingual doesn't have a place in the United States.

Why do most Hispanic feel a resentment towards the Republican party? And how will you fix this negative image?
One thing is if we want to prevent resentment is if we allow one set of immigrants into the country, it should be the same with all. We can't be spending taxpayer money building fences on one side of the border but not the other. The reason immigration is such a hot button issue is because the economy is failing. If we spent less and fix the economy this will not even be a problem to us.

How should we deal with Chavez?
He isn't the easiest person to talk to but we should speak to him as we speak to everyone else. That is with a courteous manner. We spoke to Stalin. We created Castro! We got into their affairs. (WEIRD CROWD REACTION)

Why do we still need troops in Iraq? When should we take them out? (Asked to other candidates) Why is Your opinion is different Ron PAul?
We are not justified to even be there. We will be bringing home the troops as soon as possible; If you ask me why I'm different it's because I am loyal and stand by the to the constitution. I get more money from the troops then any other candidate. We can gain more in PEACE then War (applause).

BTW- I'm doing this quickly forgive my grammar. Don't take this literally word for word...

fuzzybekool
12-09-2007, 07:03 PM
Ron Paul got good applause for "bring them home now"

OptionsTrader
12-09-2007, 07:03 PM
He got a lot of applause for the Iraq answer. It was his typical answer, I had the volume way up as a previous poster stated and it does quasi-work, hurts the ears though.

aksmith
12-09-2007, 07:04 PM
...

robskicks
12-09-2007, 07:04 PM
Yea pretty much his normal answer to that...

Seth M.
12-09-2007, 07:04 PM
"We achieve so much more in PEACE then we ever could achieve in WAR!!" (huge applause) :D

torchbearer
12-09-2007, 07:04 PM
I thought I heard boos mixed in with the cheers? did anyone else hear that?

OptionsTrader
12-09-2007, 07:05 PM
"We achieve so much more in PEACE then we ever could achieve in WAR!!" (huge applause) :D

Yep that was the line.

aksmith
12-09-2007, 07:05 PM
I thought I heard boos mixed in with the cheers? did anyone else hear that?


Heavily weighted toward cheers.

tsetsefly
12-09-2007, 07:05 PM
Question:2/3 of hispanics want the US out of Iraq, why not get out?

Paul: I have a differetn point of view(than the other republicans. THis is because we are not in a justified war, it is not declared, so we must come home as soon as possible. Many of you might ask why I have a different view on foreign affairs. That is because I followe the constitution, which tells us to stay out of foreign entanglements. This is why i also ge the most money from the troops, they are tired of fighting this war, they are bein sent on multiple duties and dont see and end to this. I saw this during the vietnam war and we got out and now we have much better relations with them.

BTW mccain wants socialized health care with a different name...

torchbearer
12-09-2007, 07:06 PM
Heavily weighted toward cheers.

3/4 cheer 1/4 boo?

xtravar
12-09-2007, 07:06 PM
He got a lot of applause for the Iraq answer. It was his typical answer, I had the volume way up as a previous poster stated and it does quasi-work, hurts the ears though.

What we need is something to filter out the lower frequency of the translator's voice. In fact, that would probably work great with the proper setup, since Paul's voice is much higher.

jasonoliver
12-09-2007, 07:08 PM
YAY! Ron Paul got to smirk while Romney was talking about socialist Romneycare

angrydragon
12-09-2007, 07:09 PM
Romneycare AKA Hilarycare on steriods.

Mods need to merge the threads.

OptionsTrader
12-09-2007, 07:09 PM
What we need is something to filter out the lower frequency of the translator's voice. In fact, that would probably work great with the proper setup, since Paul's voice is much higher.

You can use voice separation software if we get the video in decent quality.

robskicks
12-09-2007, 07:09 PM
Best I could do sorry.... I'll keep adding to this everytime Ron Speaks...

What is practical about English being the only language in the United States?
It's practical because we all can understand it. Some people may feel jealous inferior if they don't understand the language. However, there should be a common language us as public officers talk english and all our laws are in English. People should learn English. That's not to say that in schools and other things we can't accommodate people learning the language. The constitution says its allowable for different languages so this doesn't mean that bilingual doesn't have a place in the United States.

Why do most Hispanic feel a resentment towards the Republican party? And how will you fix this negative image?
One thing is if we want to prevent resentment is if we allow one set of immigrants into the country, it should be the same with all. We can't be spending taxpayer money building fences on one side of the border but not the other. The reason immigration is such a hot button issue is because the economy is failing. If we spent less and fix the economy this will not even be a problem to us.

How should we deal with Chavez?
He isn't the easiest person to talk to but we should speak to him as we speak to everyone else. That is with a courteous manner. We spoke to Stalin. We created Castro! We got into their affairs. (WEIRD CROWD REACTION)

Why do we still need troops in Iraq? When should we take them out? (Asked to other candidates) Why is Your opinion is different Ron Paul?
We are not justified to even be there. We will be bringing home the troops as soon as possible; If you ask me why I'm different it's because I am loyal and stand by the to the constitution. I get more money from the troops then any other candidate. Our troops have done a great job and it's time to come home. We can gain more in PEACE then War (applause).

BTW- I'm doing this quickly for you guys, forgive my grammar. Don't take this literally word for word...

Shii
12-09-2007, 07:10 PM
Thanks robskicks, I am kind of bedridden right now so I will rely on you for what Dr. Paul is saying today

tsetsefly
12-09-2007, 07:11 PM
I'm not sure what the feeling among FL hispanics would be toward Chavez ... they are very anti-Castro and Chavez has cozied up to him ... I don't think most people realize Chavez has been helping Latin America pay off IMF loans , do barter deals to skirt use of the dollar, and generally thwarting the globablists plans to ensnare Latin America in the new world order with the trade deals and all the rest. So maybe they just see Chavez as another Castro ... they're probably a strange mix of pro-mexico / illegal immigration , brainwashed on some of these other leaders the globablists have branded as dictators

chavez is thugh, asshole who tried to do a coup a a right-winger in the early 90's. And then completely changed hsi tune, he is just a populist wannabe dictator. He took the broadcast license of the only private national airwaves network because they "criticized his government" his socialist policies will and are ruining Venezuela... He is a tool, however venezuela elected him, its their fuck up now, the US should not intervene...

robskicks
12-09-2007, 07:12 PM
Thanks :) I'm trying to get it as accurate as possible, kinda hard on the fly though with these bad translators (especially at the beginning of the debate)...

torchbearer
12-09-2007, 07:12 PM
embargos only hurt the people in that country, not the leader. Castro is fat and blump living off the backs of his comrades.

PlaytoWin
12-09-2007, 07:14 PM
Wow, Thompson jsut totally took Paul's position on education being handled by the state and local govts.

OptionsTrader
12-09-2007, 07:15 PM
Wow, Thompson jsut totally took Paul's position on education being handled by the state and local govts.

Maybe he just read the constitution. It isn't all that long and he has sworn to defend it about 5000 times.

TheIndependent
12-09-2007, 07:16 PM
Wow, Thompson jsut totally took Paul's position on education being handled by the state and local govts.

Fairweather Federalist.

Austin
12-09-2007, 07:16 PM
Wow, Thompson jsut totally took Paul's position on education being handled by the state and local govts.

I see the other candidates using Paul's position more and more prevalent in each debate. First, it was Giuliani with abortion, and others have begun to follow.

Aballistar
12-09-2007, 07:18 PM
And Huckabee's sudden interest in getting rid of the IRS.

chipvogel
12-09-2007, 07:18 PM
I don't mind hearing Huckabee in Spanish....its much less annoying this way when I can't understand it.

Austin
12-09-2007, 07:19 PM
And Huckabee's sudden interest in getting rid of the IRS.
Once the population realizes that Huckabee has every intention to replace the income tax, they will see that Dr. Paul's tax plan is far superior.

jasonoliver
12-09-2007, 07:21 PM
Why was Ron Paul skipped on Healthcare & Education?

Eric23
12-09-2007, 07:22 PM
I'm done with this fuckin debate. Blatant censorship not giving Paul the opportunity to respond to both education and healthcare questions. Bullshit.

Shii
12-09-2007, 07:22 PM
I'm done with this fuckin debate. Blatant censorship not giving Paul the opportunity to respond to both education and healthcare questions. Bullshit.

At least they gave him a few questions at the start.

robskicks
12-09-2007, 07:23 PM
Yea that was disapointing

tsetsefly
12-09-2007, 07:23 PM
huner is an idiots with his el salvador example...

robskicks
12-09-2007, 07:24 PM
Thompson keeps referring to us all as "North Americans" espeically when asked about the future... I thought this was a US Election debate.

0zzy
12-09-2007, 07:26 PM
good paul, good paul.

RPsupporterAtHeart
12-09-2007, 07:26 PM
HUGE applause..wtg RON

caradeporra
12-09-2007, 07:28 PM
check out www.blitzthemedia.com

its a site helping paul supporters petition the media for more coverage.

robskicks
12-09-2007, 07:28 PM
Best I could do sorry.... I'll keep adding to this everytime Ron Speaks...

What is practical about English being the only language in the United States?
It's practical because we all can understand it. Some people may feel jealous inferior if they don't understand the language. However, there should be a common language us as public officers talk english and all our laws are in English. People should learn English. That's not to say that in schools and other things we can't accommodate people learning the language. The constitution says its allowable for different languages so this doesn't mean that bilingual doesn't have a place in the United States.

Why do most Hispanic feel a resentment towards the Republican party? And how will you fix this negative image?
One thing is if we want to prevent resentment is if we allow one set of immigrants into the country, it should be the same with all. We can't be spending taxpayer money building fences on one side of the border but not the other. The reason immigration is such a hot button issue is because the economy is failing. If we spent less and fix the economy this will not even be a problem to us.

How should we deal with Chavez?
He isn't the easiest person to talk to but we should speak to him as we speak to everyone else. That is with a courteous manner. We spoke to Stalin. We created Castro! We got into their affairs. (WEIRD CROWD REACTION)

Why do we still need troops in Iraq? When should we take them out? (Asked to other candidates) Why is Your opinion is different Ron Paul?
We are not justified to even be there. We will be bringing home the troops as soon as possible; If you ask me why I'm different it's because I am loyal and stand by the to the constitution. I get more money from the troops then any other candidate. Our troops have done a great job and it's time to come home. We can gain more in PEACE then War (applause).

What role do you see Hispanics taking in the future of the United States?
The most important thing everyone can do is unite behind the constitution and behind freedom. We have separated due to different opinions on various issues. We have all lost freedoms.The future of this country isn't a Hispanic issue this is an American issue. We have to understand what being truly free means in order to truly be free!

BTW- I'm doing this quickly for you guys, forgive my grammar. Don't take this literally word for word...

torchbearer
12-09-2007, 07:29 PM
good answer.

tsetsefly
12-09-2007, 07:29 PM
Question: Hispanics the largest minority, what role do you think hispanics will play in the future of america
what a dumb fucking question, what will be the italian-americans role in american future? russian americans? please, dumb fucking question...
Paul:
The most important thing hispanics and all americans can do is unite to restore the constitution. We have strayed from our values (foreign policy, education etc.) We have lost freedoms...This is not a hispanic problem its an american problem, we need to understand the constitution and once against understand what it means to be free.

THE ONLY ONE NOT TO PANDER WITH RIDICULOUS ANSWERS, I REMEMBER WHY I HATE POLITICIANS BY LISTENING TO THE REST OF THE RESPONSES.

Eric23
12-09-2007, 07:32 PM
THE ONLY ONE NOT TO PANDER WITH RIDICULOUS ANSWERS, I REMEMBER WHY I HATE POLITICIANS BY LISTENING TO THE REST OF THE RESPONSES.

Hahah, I was thinking the same thing.

torchbearer
12-09-2007, 07:34 PM
this guy wants feedback on the debate. http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/

torchbearer
12-09-2007, 07:41 PM
//

Dutch
12-09-2007, 07:48 PM
//

Ok I've seen this 100 times now and this time I'll admit my ignorance.
What does "//" mean?

Dutch

torchbearer
12-09-2007, 07:50 PM
redact,

Dutch
12-09-2007, 07:55 PM
redact,
re·dact (r-dkt)
tr.v. re·dact·ed, re·dact·ing, re·dacts
1. To draw up or frame (a proclamation, for example).
2. To make ready for publication; edit or revise.

I can't say it helps much, but still thanks...

Dutch

angrydragon
12-09-2007, 07:55 PM
// = bump

Dutch
12-09-2007, 07:57 PM
// = bump

Ah now THAT makes sense :)

Thanks dragon!

Dutch

JoeySweets
12-09-2007, 08:09 PM
Is it over????

I just got off work

OptionsTrader
12-09-2007, 08:11 PM
Is it over????

I just got off work

yes.

JoeySweets
12-09-2007, 08:12 PM
yes.

darn, I guess it's Youtube then

OptionsTrader
12-09-2007, 08:12 PM
darn, I guess it's Youtube then

It was 100% in spanish, so you may need to wait for the close captioned version if anyone got C3 closed captioning to work, I did not.

Troyhand
12-09-2007, 08:18 PM
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&langpair=es%7Cen&u=http://foro.univision.com/univision/board?board.id=republicanos

Here's a translation page for the Univision Republican forum. Looks favorable for Dr. Paul overall.

OptionsTrader
12-09-2007, 08:21 PM
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&langpair=es%7Cen&u=http://foro.univision.com/univision/board?board.id=republicanos

Here's a translation page for the Univision Republican forum. Looks favorable for Dr. Paul overall.

Those Ron Paul people spam the polls, spam the donations, and now they are spamming en Espanol :D

steph3n
12-09-2007, 08:29 PM
Those Ron Paul people spam the polls, spam the donations, and now they are spamming en Espanol :D

really interesting too now at univision forums they are speaking about cutting welfare to get illegals home :D

I seem to remember that somewhere :D

Knightskye
12-09-2007, 09:03 PM
http://foro.univision.com/univision/board/message?board.id=republicanos&message.id=305

People talking on the Univision boards about Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul. One of them mentioned Huckabee's tax-raising and pardoning. And one of them called him a "lobo disfrazado"; anyone know what that means? :P

user
12-09-2007, 09:09 PM
http://foro.univision.com/univision/board/message?board.id=republicanos&message.id=305

People talking on the Univision boards about Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul. One of them mentioned Huckabee's tax-raising and pardoning. And one of them called him a "lobo disfrazado"; anyone know what that means? :P
Hahaha! I think it literally means "wolf disguised", so "wolf in sheep's clothing".

xao
12-09-2007, 10:00 PM
Amazing. Simply amazing that people are catering to a racist group of LaRaza Racists and pro-illegal groups like this. Univison has outright promoted and sponsored LaRaza in the past.


This is a quote from another member who put this thing into the proper context.
His handle is rg...?? something(sorry forgot the rest)

"There shouldn't be a debate in spanish to begin with. It is a debate for the "Illegal vote" Which any illegal person in the country with a drivers license can vote. I do not see any debates being conducted in German, French, Italian, Sweedish, Arabic, etc, etc. Illegal immigration isn't about race, nationality,or color. It doesn't matter if the illegal is red, yellow, black or brown. Its about the law and allowing to many people into our country with no allegience to america without time to assimialte createing a foreign country within our own. This is being done on purpose to make the NAU transitition easier."

TheIndependent
12-09-2007, 10:11 PM
Amazing. Simply amazing that people are catering to a racist group of LaRaza Racists and pro-illegal groups like this. Univison has outright promoted and sponsored LaRaza in the past.

I understand you have a point to raise (one that I don't agree with one bit on the basis of blatant stereotyping), but stop spamming this everywhere.

hrdman2luv
12-11-2007, 08:46 PM
does anyone have the debates saved that could give us a link or email it to me. I don't understand spanish. So it either has to be translated.