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phill4paul
11-25-2016, 11:05 AM
An efficient, chilling new weapon in the urban war on rats may be swiftly meeting its demise after the government notified major cities that the use of dry ice as a rodenticide violates federal law.

The method of stuffing dry ice — frozen carbon dioxide — into burrows to suffocate rats as it sublimates from a solid to a gas proved more efficient at killing rodents and cheaper than using conventional rat poisons in cities such as Boston, Chicago and New York, which all recently launched programs to test the method.

But the Environmental Protection Agency reached out to state agencies in Illinois, Massachusetts, New York and elsewhere in recent months to make clear that federal guidelines prohibit the use of dry ice for rat abatement because the deadly treatment is not registered with the federal agency as required. The law is in place to ensure products are safe, and directions for use minimize risks to users, the public and the environment.

The revelation prompted Boston and New York to halt the use of dry ice in their rat abatement programs, while Chicago is investigating the issue. All three cities launched tests this year as urban centers around the country experienced a spike in the number of citizen complaints about rodents after a relatively warm winter.

The notifications, months after the cities first began using dry ice, highlight the complicated process of pesticide use in the USA. States enforce the federal guidelines and receive notification from the EPA if a city is in violation.


“We didn’t see this thing as a pesticide by the classic definition, because dry ice is used everywhere,” Christopher said. “You go to a nightclub and they’ll serve cocktails in a bucket of dry ice. This is not necessarily one of those logical things, it’s a regulatory issue, and we’ll respect everything they want us to do.”

The Boston's legal team is in the process of applying for an EPA permit to restart the program, Christopher said. The city recorded as much as a 95% reduction in rodent activity in areas where it deployed dry ice after it launched the pilot in April.


Chicago launched its pilot in August and immediately recorded a 60% reduction in burrows in areas it tested. The city noted that at 50 cents per pound, dry ice is far cheaper than the rat poison pellets selling for $57 per 20-pound bucket.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/11/23/epa-big-cities-stop-killing-rats-dry-ice/94337366/

jmdrake
11-25-2016, 11:10 AM
See! The EPA is right. CO2 is a pollutant. It kills rats.

/sarcasm

seapilot
11-25-2016, 12:25 PM
Plague or dry ice? EPA chooses plague.

Working Poor
11-28-2016, 05:58 AM
the Environmental Protection Agency reached out

Well of course they did.

UWDude
11-28-2016, 06:11 AM
Good thing the EPA is on this, and not the degrading lead pipes in Flint, Michigan.

mrsat_98
11-28-2016, 06:33 AM
So should we start mailing Dry ice to congress ?

Weston White
11-28-2016, 06:38 AM
States to the EPA: Stop telling our residents how to use their purchased products, this entirely outside the breadth of the commerce clause and your powers to regulate interstate commerce, be it dry ice, be it firearms, be it munitions, be it health care, or be it none of your damned business.

Suzanimal
11-28-2016, 06:54 AM
These people...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?454681-EPA-Cleaning-Our-Environment-Fouling-Its-Own-Hallways-with-Feces&highlight=epa+feces

Anti Federalist
11-28-2016, 06:57 AM
I am hoping beyond hope that a Trump administration slaps these fuckers back into place.

I know it's too much to ask that the agency be dissolved.

Anti Federalist
11-28-2016, 06:59 AM
This is not necessarily one of those logical things, it’s a regulatory issue, and we’ll respect everything they want us to do.

And that right there, is why we can't have nice things.

Suzanimal
11-28-2016, 07:00 AM
And these people...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?479912-Toxic-mine-water-accidentally-released-by-EPA-in-Colorado-river-flows-south&highlight=epa+river

Suzanimal
11-28-2016, 07:01 AM
These people...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?454681-EPA-Cleaning-Our-Environment-Fouling-Its-Own-Hallways-with-Feces&highlight=epa+feces


And these people...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?479912-Toxic-mine-water-accidentally-released-by-EPA-in-Colorado-river-flows-south&highlight=epa+river


I am hoping beyond hope that a Trump administration slaps these fuckers back into place.

I know it's too much to ask that the agency be dissolved.

No, it's not. It makes too much sense.

Anti Federalist
11-28-2016, 07:13 AM
No, it's not. It makes too much sense.

It was created out of thin air by Nixon.

It could be un-created just as easily.

Suzanimal
11-28-2016, 07:17 AM
It was created out of thin air by Nixon.

It could be un-created just as easily.

Like magic. As President, shutting that literal shit hole down would be the easiest thing in the world for me.

ghengis86
11-28-2016, 08:22 AM
Like magic. As President, shutting that literal $#@! hole down would be the easiest thing in the world for me.

I would settle for the abolishment of the Federal EPA while keeping the State EPA's intact as a steeping stone to a more localized, market driven final solution. Seems like most/all pollution cases can be adjudicated in local courts with the people being more directly involved.

RJB
11-28-2016, 08:35 AM
The EPA is reacting solely on fear. Relatively speaking, if they would kill an honorable creature like a rat in this manner, imagine what they would do to the pestilence of the bureaucratic plague that we suffer.

presence
11-28-2016, 08:41 AM
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1578007/bloody-keyboard-wreck-o.gif

fedupinmo
11-28-2016, 08:41 AM
States enforce the federal guidelines
Yeah, tell that to Arizona with their illegal aliens...

ghengis86
11-28-2016, 08:49 AM
This is similar to using generic chlorine bleach to sanitize your pool or apple cider vinegar+dish soap to make fruit fly traps. EPA claims jurisdiction over the use of anything used to kills pests, even the manner in which non-registered products are used to kill pests. There's a little warning on every registered pesticide: "It is a violation of federal law to use this product in a manner inconsistent with its labeling."

Yet, on the EPA's own website, they have instructions on how to use a non-registered chlorine bleach to disinfect water for drinking. These duplicitous fucks want it both ways. It's maddening.

brushfire
11-28-2016, 10:39 AM
http://www.independentsentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/EPA-RODENT-INFESTED-WAREHOUSE1-400x305.jpg

Brian4Liberty
11-28-2016, 11:08 AM
But this rat kill process releases CO2 and causes global warming. It's obvious, unless you are a science-denier.

Now if they register this process and pay for carbon credits, then maybe it can be used in limited and controlled situations. EPA agents must be on site to monitor, of course.


/s

ghengis86
11-28-2016, 12:55 PM
But this rat kill process releases CO2 and causes global warming. It's obvious, unless you are a science-denier.

Now if they register this process and pay for carbon credits, then maybe it can be used in limited and controlled situations. EPA agents must be on site to monitor, of course.


/s

It's obvious you've never personally dealt with the EPA; no sarc tag is needed. They really and truly believe and act like the above, albeit not charging for carbon credits specifically. They get their pound of flesh not matter what it's called.

Athan
11-28-2016, 02:07 PM
If you kill the rats, they win. -Justin Tredeu (aka Fidel Castro's illegitimate son)

AZJoe
11-28-2016, 02:46 PM
So the EPA is insisting they instead use EPA approved rat poisons containing such things as arsenic, strychnine, metal phosphides, and not use non-toxic dry ice because the EPA has not registered the non-toxic dry ice for use against rodents, although dry ice is perfectly OK for a myriad of ordinary human uses including food storage.

Suzanimal
11-28-2016, 02:47 PM
So the EPA is insisting they instead use EPA approved rat poisons containing such things as arsenic, strychnine, metal phosphides, and not use non-toxic dry ice because the EPA has not registered the non-toxic dry ice for use against rodents, although dry ice is perfectly OK for a myriad of ordinary human uses including food storage.

What do you expect from people who rub feces on the walls?

phill4paul
11-28-2016, 02:49 PM
So the EPA is insisting they instead use EPA approved rat poisons containing such things as arsenic, strychnine, metal phosphides, and not use non-toxic dry ice because the EPA has not registered the non-toxic dry ice for use against rodents, although dry ice is perfectly OK for a myriad of ordinary human uses including food storage.

That about sums it up.