Do you believe that Trump will go after the swamp creatures?

[osan]

Draining the swamp... I will believe it when I see it.

My main concern is that Trump make good on his implied promise of seeing Clinton go to prison.

Does anyone believe he will make a good-faith effort to send her to a supermax or the barracks?

As for me, I don't know what to think.

[tod evans]

I haven't read where one farmer or non-DC person has been appointed to anything..

Seems more like rearranging the 'swamp creatures' than actually getting rid of any.

[Origanalist]

Draining the swamp... I will believe it when I see it.

My main concern is that Trump make good on his implied promise of seeing Clinton go to prison.

Does anyone believe he will make a good-faith effort to send her to a supermax or the barracks?

As for me, I don't know what to think.

I see no evidence of this happening, nor do I believe he will do it. However, there is nothing to do but wait and see.

[William Tell]

Rodents of unusual size? I don't believe they exist.

[pcosmar]

I have no hope of Trump being a "savior" . But am hoping that there may be some positives that come.

Obama was less bad than expected.. and certainly better than the options.

I will be observing..
but so far it is all talk.

[Working Poor]

Mostly likely he will be stirring the cesspool and the biggest turds will float to the top.

[Dr.3D]

Rodents of unusual size? I don't believe they exist.
Just ask RJB.

[William Tell]

RJB do Rodents of unusual size exist?

[RJB]

RJB do Rodents of unusual size exist?

I was fined for $500 dollars once for shooting an endangered species. But it was worth it. It was the largest jackalope ever harvested in the state of Missouri. They are in the lagomorph family but I don't care what those white coat geeks say. It's still a rodent in my book!

Now Sasquatch is a different story.

[William Tell]

Oh yeah, forgot about Jackalopes.

[Dr.3D]

Oh yeah, forgot about Jackalopes.
Told ya he would know about such things. :p

[juleswin]

I think the problem with his plan is that he thinks the swap creatures are people who have ties to the last administration when the swap creatures are people who have the same mindset about govt with the sort of people who have been holding this country back.

Its in the ideology not work history.

[Jesse James]

no.

[scm]

Draining the swamp... I will believe it when I see it.

My main concern is that Trump make good on his implied promise of seeing Clinton go to prison.

Does anyone believe he will make a good-faith effort to send her to a supermax or the barracks?

As for me, I don't know what to think.

nope. He is a swamp creature himself.

[navy-vet]

Well, time will tell. Trump mentioned more than once that he didn't believe in revealing his strategies to his foes. I would think he also might exercise the like strategy of misleading them...
.

[pcosmar]

nope. He is a swamp creature himself.

This is also my concern.

but creatures go from slug to gator,,,

yet to be seen what type he will be.

[Anti Federalist]

Draining the swamp... I will believe it when I see it.

My main concern is that Trump make good on his implied promise of seeing Clinton go to prison.

Does anyone believe he will make a good-faith effort to send her to a supermax or the barracks?

As for me, I don't know what to think.

Doubtful, but I'm poleaxed as to what will happen next.

[Ender]

nope. He is a swamp creature himself.

My POV, as well.

[PatriotOne]

Even if he is sincere, here's the problem....

The CIA has blackmail material on the bulk of the politicians (Dems and Repubs alike). Operatives have ensnared them by making these opportunities available to them. It might be financial corruption, it might be sexual perversions. It might be drugs. Etc. But, in cases like sexual perversions held at place like Epstein's, they would have been filmed. It's what they do. Once Pandora's box is opened, hideous things will emerge as info is leaked from within on so, so, many of them. Compromised repubs will fight alongside Dems in the exposure of it all.. They don't want the swamp drained, they swim in it.

[KEEF]

Some patsy will take one for the team in regards to the whole email and Pizzagate scandal and then it will be the same old same old. Only thing Trump will be draining in his first years will be his penthouse pool after he moves into 1300 Pennsylvania.

[juleswin]

Even if he is sincere, here's the problem....

The CIA has blackmail material on the bulk of the politicians (Dems and Repubs alike). Operatives have ensnared them by making these opportunities available to them. It might be financial corruption, it might be sexual perversions. It might be drugs. Etc. But, in cases like sexual perversions held at place like Epstein's, they would have been filmed. It's what they do. Once Pandora's box is opened, hideous things will emerge as info is leaked from within on so, so, many of them. Compromised repubs will fight alongside Dems in the exposure of it all.. They don't want the swamp drained, they swim in it.

Buut I think this is one year one can get away with blackmail worthy material. Trump got away with career ending flip flop, pedo talk, financial mismanagement (losing almost $1 billion in 1 year), sexual assault talk as in grabbing women by the pussy, insulting POW, US generals etc etc. What blackmail can they have that is worse than the list above?

[nikcers]

Buut I think this is one year one can get away with blackmail worthy material. Trump got away with career ending flip flop, pedo talk, financial mismanagement (losing almost $1 billion in 1 year), sexual assault talk as in grabbing women by the pussy, insulting POW, US generals etc etc. What blackmail can they have that is worse than the list above?

I dunno I have a feeling that if Trump didn't have anything to hide he would of released his taxes. The election results come down to Trump getting the nod from the establishment. The same establishment that has been anti democrat ever since the Iran deal. This election has more to do with the Iran deal then white pride, and I'll be laughing at all the white pride people when this all comes to light.

[juleswin]

I dunno I have a feeling that if Trump didn't have anything to hide he would of released his taxes. The election results come down to Trump getting the nod from the establishment. The same establishment that has been anti democrat ever since the Iran deal. This election has more to do with the Iran deal then white pride, and I'll be laughing at all the white pride people when this all comes to light.

Yea, I think he got the nod from the establishment to run against Hillary but I have a hard time believing that they wanted him to win it all. Maybe one faction of the establishment went against the plan but I agree that the establishment were OK with him having a chance. But the point is that the excuse that one has skeletons in their closet is a deterrent to being appointed to high position is not going to fly this cycle.

As long as the skeleton is not killing or having sex with little children.

[PatriotOne]

Buut I think this is one year one can get away with blackmail worthy material. Trump got away with career ending flip flop, pedo talk, financial mismanagement (losing almost $1 billion in 1 year), sexual assault talk as in grabbing women by the pussy, insulting POW, US generals etc etc. What blackmail can they have that is worse than the list above?

All that can be dismissed as exaggerations and lies of bi-partisan politics. What can't be dismissed is, say, a video of a politician having sex with kids. That's the kind of blackmail material they have.

[juleswin]

All that can be dismissed as exaggerations and lies of bi-partisan politics. What can't be dismissed is, say, a video of a politician having sex with kids. That's the kind of blackmail material they have.

Yea, I guess if the blackmail material is that despicable then said politician needs to be locked up immediately. I care not what your ideas are if you go around having sex with children. But if its something not criminal and just immoral like cheating on your wife and having bastard children you are not taking care off like John Edwards, then this is the year to come out. Trump was caught trying to cheat on his third wife while she was pregnant with his son and still won.

[nikcers]

Yea, I think he got the nod from the establishment to run against Hillary but I have a hard time believing that they wanted him to win it all. Maybe one faction of the establishment went against the plan but I agree that the establishment were OK with him having a chance. But the point is that the excuse that one has skeletons in their closet is a deterrent to being appointed to high position is not going to fly this cycle.

As long as the skeleton is not killing or having sex with little children.

If Trump was a true threat to the establishment then he would of been taken care of- they wouldn't show 24/7 infomercials of unedited campaign rallys. I think the establishment wanted Trumps platform to win more then anything. I don't think they care who wins when they are playing both sides. The establishment has free reign to do what they want now, if Clinton would of won they would of been stuck protecting Obama's legacy. The establishment doesn't want to lose control of their race identity demagoguery, in fact they want to escalate it further.

[osan]

Well, time will tell. Trump mentioned more than once that he didn't believe in revealing his strategies to his foes. I would think he also might exercise the like strategy of misleading them...
.

I've been thinking along the same lines. He is walking into a tremendous mess. I suspect he may be putting potential adversaries at ease, only to drop the hammer on them down the road.

Time will tell.

[RJB]

- reps for everyone who derails the thread from talking about swamp creatures!

[69360]

After them? He's putting them in his cabinet, not jail.

[AuH20]

Unknown at this point. I couldn't tell you.

[Jesse James]

Trump is worse than Romney!? how so? He's basically a peacenik compared to Romney!

[osan]

After them? He's putting them in his cabinet, not jail.

Yes, but to what ultimate end remains unknown. These may serve their purposes, being kept in a narrowly constrained channel, or perhaps to be dismissed at a later date.

I would also warn against premature judgments of those he chooses as I have already seen how the MSM are being very selective in what and how they report the "facts" about some of these people.

I maintain that the prudent move is to give him plenty of rope and sit back. Now is not the time to panic or fall into disappointment, tempting as it may seem at times.

Labeling him "establishment" may or may not prove fair. Folks are fast to cite those with whom he has rubbed elbows, including The Beast (HRC). I suggest that were any of us in his shoes, we would be doing precisely the same things, using those in power to aid us in our broader business strategies. Such behavior does not perforce mean that one is up to no good. It is very possible to make use of such people in ways that are not so much as unethical, much less criminal. I would further point out that there is the "being seen" aspect of such socializing, which is part and parcel of image cultivation, which in its own turn boosts power through the management of the perception of others. None of that implies lowness of character, but only raises the possibility.

One aspect of Trump's immediate circumstance that for me is telling in a promising way is that of his family, his children in specific. They are well mannered, well spoken, well educated, successful in their own rite, and so forth. Compare with the lowlife character of Obama's children, as well as that of Clinton's whelp. It is possible that this is all a very well played deception on the part of the Trump clan, but it seems unlikely to me. We would have heard of problems from that quarter long ago, had his children grown into degenerates the way the Clinton whelp has, for example. Things like that do not stay hidden well, or for long. But who knows?

I maintain that now is not the time to rush to judgment. The urge has hit me more than once since the election, but I feel compelled to keep it in my pants until the right time, no matter how crazy I think things are becoming. And if you think about it, nothing of any great note has yet happened. Furthermore, the various cabinet members are not autonomous. Their actions will be reflections of the policies of the CIC, meaning that Trump should be well able to limit their prerogatives to channels of his choosing. Has this not been the case with Obama as observed in the behavior of the likes of Holder and Lynch, just to name two?

Crack a beer, light a spliff, inject some heroin... whatever it takes to nib out for the time being. Trust me on this one thing: there will be time aplenty for chaos in your thoughts before much longer. My recommendation is to desist from bothering yourselves any more than is absolutely necessary with all this pointless hand-wringing over whom Trump shall appoint to his cabinet. The man is most decidedly not an idiot. Therefore, if he is righteous, his choices will have been made pursuant to a righteous strategy. If he is vile, his appointments will run along a commensurate path of scheming. Either way, I suspect we have on our hands a man of strategy unlike anything we have seen in perhaps fifty or more years. His personality is anything but subtle thus far, but his strategizing may prove very different in that respect. Don't assume too much about what you see in the coming months.

Until we know, we know nothing much.

[tod evans]

^^^^^^^^ I can only rep this once.. ^^^^^^^^^

This is absolute gold!


One aspect of Trump's immediate circumstance that for me is telling in a promising way is that of his family, his children in specific. They are well mannered, well spoken, well educated, successful in their own rite, and so forth. Compare with the lowlife character of Obama's children, as well as that of Clinton's whelp.

[osan]

Trump is worse than Romney!? how so? He's basically a peacenik compared to Romney!

I find Romney endlessly distasteful. He is a typical political milquetoast in his expressive manner, what with all his wishy-washy equivocations on any give issue. He reminds me of the vile Bush^1 in how he attempted to show how tough he was in the mannerism such as "by dang it, I'm gonna just show them, by Jiminy..." as he makes a weak gesture of hitting the lectern with a barely closed fist. Makes my skin crawl just thinking on it.

At least Trump speaks with authority. Insufficient, yes - but still better than these phaggs whose level of disingenuousness is so great that even their incomprehensible avarice cannot drive them to get it up to make a better performance for the cameras.

One needs to give credit where due.

[Mordan]

Trump is not even sworn-in.

The Grand Electors might not vote for him if you listen to Bush's lawyers.

[CPUd]

https://i.imgur.com/iWcXEd2.jpg

[juleswin]

^^^^^^^^ I can only rep this once.. ^^^^^^^^^

This is absolute gold!

More like dirty lead if you asked me.

Lets just examine what was said in the quote bar shall we.

He said Trump's children are all well mannered, well spoken, well educated and successful in their own rite unlike the Obama and Clinton's children who he considered to be low life whatever that means.

How are the Clinton and Obama children any different from Ivanka? Yes, one of Obama kids was captured on camera shaking her arse but every other information we know about them shows that they are well adjusted children who are doing well under the yuuge spot light that comes with living in the white house. They are also teenagers so it is hard to compare them with Ivanka and Chelsea.

So lets drop the Obama low lives out and just compare Ivanka to Chelsea

Education
Chelsea went to Stanford an Ivy league school where she graduated with honors in History and then went to Oxford where she studied with a Rhodes scholarship for her masters in political science. She topped her education off with another masters in Public health at Columbia University another Ivy league school.

Ivanka on the other hand went to Georgetown then to Wharton school of business where she graduated with honors with a bachelors in economics. No masters program on the record.

Both are well spoken, well mannered and are successful in their own rite

How one person looking at both characters and come out calling one successful and the other a low life tells me that there is a deep subconscious bias that they are not ready to reconcile with.

I don't care for the kids of these monsters but the quote you highlighted in your posted can be proven to be demonstrably wrong in just about every area that it addressed. Also children are a bad barometer to use in assessing the qualities of a man, the same effort and love can be given to 100 children and half will turn out OK and the other low lives. Heck didn't Rand's boy get arrested for acting up at the airport? does it follow that Rand as a president wouldn't be promising. Trump's children turning out Ok is in spite of Trump and not because of him. She sent Ivanka to boarding school for her high school, my guess is so that he can have free time to cheat on their mothers before he got around divorcing them.

[CPUd]

How one person looking at both characters and come out calling one successful and the other a low life tells me that there is a deep subconscious bias that they are not ready to reconcile with.



I'd take it a step further and call it hate. There is a small contingent here who have demonstrated over the years they have no qualms about attacking and harassing peoples' friends, family members or even passing acquaintances who may have had the misfortune of appearing in a photo.

[nikcers]

So lets drop the Obama low lives out and just compare Ivanka to Chelsea

Education
Chelsea went to Stanford an Ivy league school where she graduated with honors in History and then went to Oxford where she studied with a Rhodes scholarship for her masters in political science. She topped her education off with another masters in Public health at Columbia University another Ivy league school.

Ivanka on the other hand went to Georgetown then to Wharton school of business where she graduated with honors with a bachelors in economics. No masters program on the record.

Both are well spoken, well mannered and are successful in their own rite


How do two significantly different people make friends unless they are family friends?

[juleswin]

How do two significantly different people make friends unless they are family friends?

I guess they rubbed elbows so much that they ended up coming to each other's children's weddings. Trump called Clinton the best secretary of state in our lifetime and some people call that "rubbing elbows". Rand showing up to a golf game and smiling with the host is rubbing elbows, what Trump did to the Clintons is more akin to deep throating and then swallowing not rubbing elbows. Forget the WWE style adversarial relationship they pretend to have for the cameras, the Trumps and the Clintons are tight as thieves.

[juleswin]

I'd take it a step further and call it hate. There is a small contingent here who have demonstrated over the years they have no qualms about attacking and harassing peoples' friends, family members or even passing acquaintances who may have had the misfortune of appearing in a photo.

I think its just Trump hardcore supporters trying to pretend that they are neutral players. But their bias is clear as day whenever they start talking Trump or their pretend enemy in Clinton.

[tod evans]

More like dirty lead if you asked me.


I didn't ask you.

However you are entitled to your opinion, just know though that my opinion of osan's prose is still positive in spite of your rebuttal.

My appreciation has nothing to do with factual accuracy and everything to do with his style/whit and audacity to thumb his nose at establishment 'people'....

[osan]

I think its just Trump hardcore supporters trying to pretend that they are neutral players.

How little you know me. But if this somehow gives you comfort, then by all means believe it.


But their bias is clear as day whenever they start talking Trump or their pretend enemy in Clinton.

Of course I am biased. I am biased against lowlives. Is there a problem there?

[Jamesiv1]

How little you know me. But if this somehow gives you comfort, then by all means believe it.


But their bias is clear as day whenever they start talking Trump or their pretend enemy in Clinton.

Of course I am biased. I am biased against lowlives low-lifes. Is there a problem there?
fixed it for you.

[Dr.3D]

We have to remember, swamps are wetlands and thus protected.

[osan]

More like dirty lead if you asked me.

Lets just examine what was said in the quote bar shall we.

He said Trump's children are all well mannered, well spoken, well educated and successful in their own rite unlike the Obama and Clinton's children who he considered to be low life whatever that means.

It means they grossly fail to meet my personal standards of comportment. Yours may be different.

Vive la difference!


How are the Clinton and Obama children any different from Ivanka?

Night and day.


Yes, one of Obama kids was captured on camera shaking her arse but every other information we know about them shows that they are well adjusted children who are doing well under the yuuge spot light that comes with living in the white house. They are also teenagers so it is hard to compare them with Ivanka and Chelsea.


When was the last time one of the Trump children were so caught? I see.

That near-irrelevancy aside, word gets out about things. For example, the Obama whelps were reported as having been rather ill-bred in their mannerisms toward the Bush^2 children. Or will you claim it's all lies?




Education
Chelsea went to Stanford an Ivy league school where she graduated with honors in History and then went to Oxford where she studied with a Rhodes scholarship for her masters in political science. She topped her education off with another masters in Public health at Columbia University another Ivy league school.


Stanford is not an IV league school. History? OK, not really that impressive. Political "science" is not science at all. Another gimme degree. I would add that the likelihood that she got the Rhodes deal because of who daddy was is pretty significant. Let us not be naive.


Ivanka on the other hand went to Georgetown then to Wharton school of business where she graduated with honors with a bachelors in economics. No masters program on the record.

No pun intended, damn his name, but economics trumps history and political science any day.


Both are well spoken, well mannered and are successful in their own rite

Perhaps our respective criteria for "success" are different. Ivanka was raised up in a do-or-die environment in the sense that if she didn't cut the muster on her own, daddy was not going to bail her out.

Chelsea is GIVEN a $10MM wedding and a $30MM condo, apparently all paid by the Clinton Foundation. But if you think the two are equals, that's OK with me. I spent my professional career swimming with the sharks and I know the real deal from the poseurs. Clinton could not wipe her own ass without all the support she has enjoyed from her family name. But once again, we are all free to believe as we wish.


How one person looking at both characters and come out calling one successful and the other a low life tells me that there is a deep subconscious bias that they are not ready to reconcile with.

Don't quit your day job because you're a poor analyst. :)

There is nothing subconscious about my bias. It is up and in my face, I understand it, I find it perfectly just, and I make no apology for it.

Anyone interested in sucking Chelsea's big 10"... go for it. I don't judge. :)



I don't care for the kids of these monsters but the quote you highlighted in your posted can be proven to be demonstrably wrong in just about every area that it addressed.

Not really, given these are matters of opinion and personal taste. You find them as equals - great for you. I do not. Great for me. I don't think the issue is really that important. It is just an indicator, albeit non-definitive.


Also children are a bad barometer to use in assessing the qualities of a man,

If taken too absolutely, I agree. But my precise words were "telling in a promising way". I may be a consummate asshole, but I am not quite a fool, nor am I stupid. "Telling", particularly when modified by "promising" should have given you abundant indication of my precise meaning. Instead, it seems you chose you take my words in a way no reasonable man could take them.


Trump's children turning out Ok is in spite of Trump and not because of him.

And you know this how, precisely? Please tell me you're not one of those people who discredit the influence of parents on the general dispositions of their issue. There are exceptions to this general rule, but it is nonetheless a rule that parents influence on their offspring tends to be quite monumental, whether negatively or positively - there my meaning being that they are either in their children's lives or effectively out, such as the self-absorbed types who toss junior $100 and tell him to get lost.

Believe as you will, but you should not presume to psychoanalyze those with whom you have no significant familiarity. It's typically bad form, though most of us seem to fall into that trap now and again, myself included.

[osan]

fixed it for you.

Yeah, I was wondering about that. My spelling is generally good, but there are those words I don't use often or simply never wrapped my head around. I guess this was one of them.

Thanks.

[osan]

We have to remember, swamps are wetlands and thus protected.

Talk about making lemonade.

Outstanding!

[nikcers]

My English is generally good. So that's why I will use motivated reasoning to imagine Trump is making our country better by considering Giuliani for SoS.

[Jamesiv1]

Yeah, I was wondering about that. My spelling is generally good, but there are those words I don't use often or simply never wrapped my head around. I guess this was one of them.

Thanks.
I take it back.

Merriam-Webster says:

noun plural: lowlifes or lowlives
adjective: low-life

humble apologies :)

[osan]

My English is generally good. So that's why I will use motivated reasoning to imagine Trump is making our country better by considering Giuliani for SoS.


What? Really? Not quite seeing the qualification track there.

I'd laugh were it to prove to be a stroke of strategic genius.

I wonder what Trump is really up to. Is he embarking on a truly subtle board game, or is he just another low-rent tyrant? The prospect of finding out is exciting... well, almost anyway.

[nikcers]

What? Really? Not quite seeing the qualification track there.

I'd laugh were it to prove to be a stroke of strategic genius.

I wonder what Trump is really up to. Is he embarking on a truly subtle board game, or is he just another low-rent tyrant? The prospect of finding out is exciting... well, almost anyway.

Yep- I call it Trumps law. Any time Trump is doing something corrupt, its really just him gaming the establishment not working with the establishment and you explain it by comparing it to something that sounds complicated like chess or rocket science. Most people who don't think for themselves will automatically think there is some sort of intellectual authority because chess and rockets are intellectual. It's like that time my mechanic said my car's flux capacitor burned out but I was in luck he had one sitting on his shelf he was willing to let go for 400 dollars. Or when my computer got that pop up that said I had a virus and to call Microsoft and the nice person at Microsoft was willing to remove it for the low monthly fee of 60 dollars.

[juleswin]

It means they grossly fail to meet my personal standards of comportment. Yours may be different.

Grossly fails to meet your personal standard of comportment? if by grossly you mean the dictionary definition of something that is extreme or excessive then I call bull$hit on it. The only way a few rumors about Chelsea being naughty as a kid and one of the Obama girls doing an ass shake can grossly exceed your standard is if you are the immaculate baby Jesus.



When was the last time one of the Trump children were so caught? I see.

Yea, when the Trump kids were teenagers they did not have the cell phone technology and internet we have today. Btw, Ivanka was also whinning while his father shipped her off to boarding school that she wasn't able to party like her friends in NY. I bet $100 that if they had the camera technology back then, someone would have caught going the sort of $hit teenagers do when they think nobody is watching. Take that however you want.


That near-irrelevancy aside, word gets out about things. For example, the Obama whelps were reported as having been rather ill-bred in their mannerisms toward the Bush^2 children. Or will you claim it's all lies?

Ill bred in their mannerism towards the Bush children? Stop the presses, 9 and 7 yr olds did not get along with older kids. Yup, them kids are low lifes, disown them. You are being unrealistic if that is your standard. Even if this rumor is true, it doesn't mean anything. Heck, I did not get along with my cousins the first time I met them, I am sure that makes me a low life in your books.



Stanford is not an IV league school. History? OK, not really that impressive. Political "science" is not science at all. Another gimme degree. I would add that the likelihood that she got the Rhodes deal because of who daddy was is pretty significant. Let us not be naive.

Thanks for the correction but it still a far superior school that Wharton school of business. And just because it is not a real science doesn't mean its a gimme degree. Yup I have to admit there is a high possibility that her last helped, you also have to admit that Ivanka going to daddy's alma mater might have enhanced her grades. Oh yea, he also got her master in Public health, now that is no gimme degree.



No pun intended, damn his name, but economics trumps history and political science any day.

But a master in public health beats a mere bachelors in economics. This is the degree people who cannot hack accountancy settle for. No offense to any economic majors here.


Perhaps our respective criteria for "success" are different. Ivanka was raised up in a do-or-die environment in the sense that if she didn't cut the muster on her own, daddy was not going to bail her out.

So what exactly are Ivanka's successes? I really don't know the success which you speak of. She had a job as a model during college and after college married into money. Chelsea's story is similar minus the modeling job. When you tell me her success and I promise you that I can show you parallels with Chelsea.


Chelsea is GIVEN a $10MM wedding and a $30MM condo, apparently all paid by the Clinton Foundation. But if you think the two are equals, that's OK with me. I spent my professional career swimming with the sharks and I know the real deal from the poseurs. Clinton could not wipe her own ass without all the support she has enjoyed from her family name. But once again, we are all free to believe as we wish.

Rich people get expensive gifts, Chelsea married a hedge fund manager. She is also an only child, I am not at all surprised that her parents lavished her with gift. Why you are bringing up the gift she got for her wedding when talking about her accomplishments is beyond me. You do not know the Chelsea Clinton so your experience palling around with poseurs doesn't apply in this case.



Don't quit your day job because you're a poor analyst. :)

There is nothing subconscious about my bias. It is up and in my face, I understand it, I find it perfectly just, and I make no apology for it.

Anyone interested in sucking Chelsea's bit 10"... go for it. I don't judge. :)

Not really, given these are matters of opinion and personal taste. You find them as equals - great for you. I do not. Great for me. I don't think the issue is really that important. It is just an indicator, albeit non-definitive.

I think Ivanka and Chelsea are living very similar lives, both born with a silver spoon up their arse, married into money and now swimming in money. Yes, not 2 lives are equal but these two are more equal than anyone I know.


If taken too absolutely, I agree. But my precise words were "telling in a promising way". I may be a consummate $#@!, but I am not quite a fool, nor am I stupid. "Telling", particularly when modified by "promising" should have given you abundant indication of my precise meaning. Instead, it seems you chose you take my words in a way no reasonable man could take them.

Telling as in a sign that he may not be an asshole everybody expect him to be. You don't even need to look at his children to analyze the man. Just look at his past and present and you see would see a two faced fraud that he truly is. The overwhelming odds is that this tiger is not going to change his stripes. Put keep your hopes up, hope sometimes is the only thing preventing us from going postal.


And you know this how, precisely? Please tell me you're not one of those people who discredit the influence of parents on the general dispositions of their issue. There are exceptions to this general rule, but it is nonetheless a rule that parents influence on their offspring tends to be quite monumental, whether negatively or positively - there my meaning being that they are either in their children's lives or effective out, such as the self-absorbed types to toss junior $100 and tell him to get lost.

Unless I find something out of line the parent did to the child, I would not blame the parent for the outcome of their kid.


Believe as you will, but you should not presume to psychoanalyze those with whom you have no significant familiarity. It's typically bad form, though most of us seem to fall into that trap now and again, myself included.

Says the person who psychoanalyzed Chelsea based on rumors

[osan]

Says the person who psychoanalyzed Chelsea based on rumors

:rolleyes:

[paleocon1]

Draining the swamp... I will believe it when I see it.

My main concern is that Trump make good on his implied promise of seeing Clinton go to prison.

Does anyone believe he will make a good-faith effort to send her to a supermax or the barracks?

As for me, I don't know what to think.

I believe he will be the best President in 60 years. Not PERFECT by any means........but someone who cares about America and its People rather than a grifting rent-seeking traitorous front for the NWO like the past four.

[Suzanimal]

Draining the swamp... I will believe it when I see it.

I don't see it happening.


My main concern is that Trump make good on his implied promise of seeing Clinton go to prison. Does anyone believe he will make a good-faith effort to send her to a supermax or the barracks?

I hope so but I'm not going to hold my breath.



As for me, I don't know what to think.


I guess we'll find out soon enough.

[otherone]

I believe he will be the best President in 60 years.

he only has 8. or 4.

[HVACTech]

Draining the swamp... I will believe it when I see it.

My main concern is that Trump make good on his implied promise of seeing Clinton go to prison.

Does anyone believe he will make a good-faith effort to send her to a supermax or the barracks?

As for me, I don't know what to think.

clearly, you do NOT know what to think. :p

in our system of "checks and balances" on power.
the station of "president" has very little to do with this regard. how did you miss that wordsmith?
our founders understood. that power exists... and preventing it's accumulation.. is how Liberty is best protected.

yes, I am aware. that you were so foolish, as to proscribe your own version of a "CONstitution" once upon a time..
forthwith sir. foment your own proscribed solution to your own query.
as your dilemma is of an immense nature. I summon..
AntiFederalist Ender kcchiefs6465 thoughtomator pcosmar Todevans CCTelander
to aid you in your foolishness.

as someone who controls powerful systems. methinks thou art, misunderstands power.
learn about "back" EMF (electromotive force) or high voltage inductive Reactance.
please.
before asking me about high pressure refrigeration systems sir.

it is there. whether you want it to be or not. sir.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZVLp19jang

in an effort to play nice with you. pressure and voltage do NOT flow.
pressure or voltage DIFFERENCE create, flow. (energy)
flow is life... flow is energy.
and if that pisses you off. bitch at God.

[kcchiefs6465]

clearly, you do NOT know what to think. :p

in our system of "checks and balances" on power.
the station of "president" has very little to do with this regard. how did you miss that wordsmith?
our founders understood. that power exists... and preventing it's accumulation.. is how Liberty is best protected.

yes, I am aware. that you were so foolish, as to proscribe your own version of a "CONstitution" once upon a time..
forthwith sir. foment your own proscribed solution to your own query.
as your dilemma is of an immense nature. I summon..
AntiFederalist Ender kcchiefs6465 thoughtomator pcosmar Todevans CCTelander
to aid you in your foolishness.

as someone who controls powerful systems. methinks thou art, misunderstands power.
learn about "back" EMF (electromotive force) or high voltage inductive Reactance.
please.
before asking me about high pressure refrigeration systems sir.

it is there. whether you want it to be or not. sir.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZVLp19jang
I agree with you man, jeez. Freezers and shit.

Thou fixeth them and are super awesome and stuff.

Why bring me into the conversation?

[HVACTech]

clearly, you do NOT know what to think. :p

in our system of "checks and balances" on power.
the station of "president" has very little to do with this regard. how did you miss that wordsmith?
our founders understood. that power exists... and preventing it's accumulation.. is how Liberty is best protected.

yes, I am aware. that you were so foolish, as to proscribe your own version of a "CONstitution" once upon a time..
forthwith sir. foment your own proscribed solution to your own query.
as your dilemma is of an immense nature. I summon..
AntiFederalist Ender kcchiefs6465 thoughtomator pcosmar Todevans CCTelander
to aid you in your foolishness.

as someone who controls powerful systems. methinks thou art, misunderstands power.
learn about "back" EMF (electromotive force) or high voltage inductive Reactance.
please.
before asking me about high pressure refrigeration systems sir.

it is there. whether you want it to be or not. sir.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZVLp19jang

in an effort to play nice with you. pressure and voltage do NOT flow.
pressure or voltage DIFFERENCE create, flow. (energy)
flow is life... flow is energy.
and if that pisses you off. bitch at God.

as I have CLEARLY insulted both Osan and Yoga pants.
I expect to be banned forthwith.
and while I might have also pissed off God.. I figure he is probably laughing his ass off...
silly humans! trix are for kids!

[HVACTech]

I agree with you man, jeez. Freezers and $#@!.

Thou fixeth them and are super awesome and stuff.

Why bring me into the conversation?

you laughed at me. about anarchists and purists. how is an anarchist NOT a purist?
I don't mind if you laugh at me... if one understands the subject matter. at hand.

if not... I will grab you by the yoga panties. sir. :)

(Osan has yoga panties. they are NOT a myth sir)

[osan]

I believe he will be the best President in 60 years. Not PERFECT by any means........but someone who cares about America and its People rather than a grifting rent-seeking traitorous front for the NWO like the past four.

I don't dare believe it at this point, but I hope you will prove right.

[Suzanimal]

you laughed at me. about anarchists and purists. how is an anarchist NOT a purist?
I don't mind if you laugh at me... if one understands the subject matter. at hand.

if not... I will grab you by the yoga panties. sir. :)

(Osan has yoga panties. they are NOT a myth sir)

o_O

[kpitcher]

We have to remember, swamps are wetlands and thus protected.

The new head of Dept of Interior and EPA can help fix that. Although I've seen a CEO of a big oil company and even Palin as a possibility for a post there.

DeVos for education is different. Will every child have to sell AmWay as part of a public education?

[HVACTech]

I don't dare believe it at this point, but I hope you will prove right.

put your big girl panties on.
prove what right? it is not the duty, in our system. for the president to perform this function.
or were you alluding to something other. sire?

lets go for it wordsmith.
pontificate. as to how your journalistic effusions. do not need swabbed off the deck.
and in a manner, befitting. what they are.
why are you holding your legs together, and peeing your yoga panties,
in adroit anticipation...
that MR Trump exceed the limits..
of the membrane he has won?

prove my antipathy unwarranted sire. Todevans is counting on you. :)

[enhanced_deficit]

Others may have loftier expectations from him but I suspect for many of his supporters, Trumpster has already cleaned the swamp and anything more would be just icing on the cake.

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