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Anti Federalist
11-23-2016, 12:17 PM
Hampshire College In Amherst Stops Flying All Flags

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/11/22/hampshire-college-amherst-stops-flying-flags/

November 22, 2016 9:59 AM

AMHERST (CBS) — It’s been a week of flag-related controversy for Hampshire College, after the school’s Board of Trustees made the decision to lower the U.S. flag on campus to half-staff in the wake of the presidential election–and then decided to remove the flag entirely after a wave of backlash.

Hampshire College President Jonathan Lash told WBZ NewsRadio 1030’s Ben Parker he knows it’s a controversial decision to remove the flag, but he wanted to create a dialogue among those with differing opinions about the symbol.

“There were a range of views on campus, including people whose experience growing up have made the flag a symbol of fear, which was strengthened by the toxic language during the campaign, and people for whom the flag is the symbol of all that’s best throughout the country,” said Lash.

He said the trouble started with a gesture meant to help provoke “meaningful and respectful dialogue” on campus–a stance he outlined in a post on the college’s Facebook page. In that post, he said the Board of Trustees decided to fly the flag at half-staff due to the “environment of escalating hate-based violence” in the wake of the election.

Lash said the gesture was also meant to be an “expression of grief” over deaths around the world, including those of U.S. service members.

But, the move didn’t work as planned and many–especially veterans and families of veterans in the Hampshire College family–saw it as being disrespectful of the tradition of expressing mourning on a national level.

“Frankly, doing that, it didn’t help,” he said. “Flying the flag at half-mast just created more controversy.”

On Veterans Day, someone removed the flag and burned it.

“In the middle of the night, we have no idea who did it or even why,” said Lash.

So that’s why they decided to take down the U.S. flag–and all flags–on campus.

“The flag had become a heated symbol that was making that more difficult,” Lash said. “We really feel our community needs a conversation in which both sides listen to each other, and we wish the nation would have that kind of dialogue. We felt that if we could stop arguing about the symbol, we could get to the underlying issues.”

Of course, that decision has created even more backlash, and Lash said there “certainly is” a lot of anger about the decision.

Tuesday afternoon, the school posted on its Facebook page to say they were temporarily suspending comments because their staff was about to go on holiday, and could not keep up with the huge volume.

The plan now that the flag is down is for group discussions with faculty, staff, and students about the issues, but there is no timeline for when the flag might fly again.

“We intend to go forward with that, and then reconsider how we fly the flag going forward,” Lash said.

Lash outlined the school’s previous policy for lowering the flag, and why the decision to lower it is sometimes difficult.

“When President Obama ordered national flags at half-staff to recognize the victims in Paris, something we completely agreed with, there were a number of people on campus that said ‘Yes, but, what about the hundreds of people being killed by terror in Syria and Lebanon and Pakistan?’ and asked that the school find some way to recognize victims globally,” said Lash. “So we periodically lowered the flag to recognize victims of violence.”

He said the school will focus on completing those group conversations before putting the flag back up.

jmdrake
11-23-2016, 12:23 PM
Well they should raise the rainbow flag in honor of Trump continuing the Obama assault of religious freedom in the name of LGBTQ rights. It's coming. Mark my words it's coming. Christian conservatives were the biggest losers in this election and those idiots dug their own grave by supporting Trump just because he led a verbal assault against illegal immigrants.

CaptUSA
11-23-2016, 12:39 PM
Crazy that people get all fired up about a piece of cloth on a pole. :(

Anti Federalist
11-23-2016, 12:45 PM
Crazy that people get all fired up about a piece of cloth on a pole. :(

That was kind of my first thought as well.

The more this happens, the more likely the various secession movements will be successful, once the idea of a monolithic DC empire is smashed.

Anti Federalist
11-23-2016, 12:48 PM
Well they should raise the rainbow flag in honor of Trump continuing the Obama assault of religious freedom in the name of LGBTQ rights. It's coming. Mark my words it's coming. Christian conservatives were the biggest losers in this election and those idiots dug their own grave by supporting Trump just because he led a verbal assault against illegal immigrants.

Bigot.

It's not LGBTQ rights anymore.

It's LGBTTQQFAGPBDSM2S

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT

jmdrake
11-23-2016, 01:00 PM
Bigot.

It's not LGBTQ rights anymore.

It's LGBTTQQFAGPBDSM2S

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT

LOL. AF you need your own rep category. (You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.)

And seriously. Why do the keep adding letters? It's like trying to keep up with what the name is of ISIS/ISIL/IS/AQI/CIA.

Dangergirl
11-23-2016, 02:21 PM
The trolls keep getting fed. I don't know why the PC crowd hasn't figured out that giving in just makes them hungry.

It's why I really disliked that Pence let the whole theater thing go. These aren't social justice warriors, they're social justification warriors. They think they're winning. The more they're coddled, the more they feel validated to continue.

timosman
11-28-2016, 01:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STxVfrk2Fxg

phill4paul
12-02-2016, 09:49 PM
Mike always seems to sum it up for me...



Off The Wall

Susanne McDaniel‎ writes...

How did you become so blindly patriotic? First of all, the college you were referencing in your rant about the American flag is a private college and doesn't receive federal funding. However...the very essence of freedom in this country is our right to speak out against the flag, which is a mere symbol. If you take away that right, then we have lost all freedom. You really need to take a civics course, Mike Rowe. I used to like you; but, you have really become very annoying to me in recent years. I thought you were more intelligent. But, I guess appearances aren't everything.

Hi Susanne

I’ve never thought of myself as “blindly patriotic,” but I am a fan of the United States, the founding fathers, and the men and women who have served on my behalf. I also confess to feeling lucky to live here. Having said that, I think you’re correct about the flag; it’s only a symbol. So too is the Crucifix. And the middle finger. And the compressed chunks of carbon that millions wear on their ring fingers as expressions of timeless love and eternal devotion.

It’s easy to make anything feel small and silly by reducing it to its chemical composition or its various component parts. But if you really believe our flag is nothing but a “mere symbol,” equally suitable for flying or burning, ask yourself if you’d be comfortable if the people you work with suddenly started coming to the office in pointy white hats fashioned from bedsheets? Would that be a problem for you? Or how about The Rainbow Flag, favored by the LGBTQ community? Would it be OK with you if people started burning that? If not, why not? I mean, it’s only a symbol, right?

Years ago, an artist named Andres Serrano presented a charming piece called “Immersion.” It consisted of a Crucifix, immersed in a glass of the artist’s urine. Amazingly, some people were offended. Christians, in particular. They couldn’t see that Andres had created a statement. A mere symbol. Silly Christians. Interesting though, that Andres didn’t submerge Mohammed in the same glass. I wonder why that is?

The thing about “mere symbols” Susanne, is that they represent “mere ideas,” and “mere ideas” are the backbone of 'mere humanity." In the case of the flag, we’re talking about ideas that are wrapped into the Constitution – a document that separates us from every other country on the planet. Mere ideas are the reason people fight and die. Mere ideas are the reason we’re allowed to speak freely, protest publicly, bear arms, and burn the very symbol that represents those very freedoms. I didn’t suggest for one moment that you or anyone else be denied your right to fly or burn whatever flag you wish.

What I failed to do, is quietly accept actions that I don’t personally care for. Which, if I’m not mistaken, is the same compulsion that motivates others to publicly express themselves in whatever ways they choose.

As for Hampshire College, I’m afraid you’re mistaken. If you check the link I provided in my original post, you’ll see that several forms of federal funding are readily available to their students. Also, according to their site, you’ll notice that the flag is once again flying at full staff. I’ll take no credit for this, if you offer no blame. Deal?
Finally, regarding my overall annoyance, you’re correct, and you're not alone. I’ve been annoying people for years now. Just ask my mother. And yes, I too, once thought I was more intelligent than I actually am. I still remember the disappointment when the test results come back.

Anyway, thanks for your comments, Susanne. I do hope you’ll stick around.
Mike

https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe/posts/1353316141345192:0