Trump flip-flops on torture

[undergroundrr]

I don't have anything bad to say about this:


In another significant turnabout, he backpedaled from his repeated calls for a return to waterboarding and other discredited torture techniques to fight terrorism. Trump indicated he had reversed his view after a discussion with retired Marine Gen. James Mattis, considered a possible pick for secretary of Defense.

“He said, ‘I’ve never found it to be useful,’” Trump said of their conversation on torture.

Trump said Mattis explained his view, shared by experts, that proven methods of interrogation, including building a relationship between interviewer and suspect, yield more useful information. “Give me a pack of cigarettes and a couple of beers and I’ll do better,” Mattis said, according to Trump, who said he was “very impressed” with the answer.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-transition-20161122-story.html

[specsaregood]

I don't have anything bad to say about this:


Me neither, just sad that one has to pretend to be for torture to win elections in the US.

[AZJoe]

Me neither, just sad that one has to pretend to be for torture to win elections in the US.

Agree. Glad he flip flopped on this, but any politician even contemplating the use of torture should be the automatic kiss of death for their political career. Sadly and disgustingly torture talk is cheered.

[Origanalist]

Me neither, just sad that one has to pretend to be for torture to win elections in the US.

If they promised to feed them to lions in a public arena they would win in a landslide.

[The Northbreather]

If they promised to feed them to lions in a public arena they would win in a landslide.

Pecked to death by American Eagles

[fcreature]

Glad to see it but will piss off a lot of his supporters and probably a bunch here as well.

[juleswin]

If they promised to feed them to lions in a public arena they would win in a landslide.

Also doesn't hurt to get round the clock media publicity and you happen to run against Hillary Clinton.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDwwAaVmnf4

This would have won the election this year had he run against Clinton. The numbers show that even with a bigger registered voters this year, Romney had more votes for him than Trump. Just saying, Trump won in spite of his torture rhetoric.

[undergroundrr]

I don't know anything about Mattis, but just based on this, he's the best floated name yet for Defense Secretary.

[UWDude]

Glad to see it but will piss off a lot of his supporters and probably a bunch here as well.

"probably a bunch here"

you mean none?

neg repped.


Me neither, just sad that one has to pretend to be for torture to win elections in the US.

Welcome to reality. I have tried to explain it to you for a while. Trump took the positions he needed to, to win. It was all about winning to him. Because you get nothing done when you lose. I can tell by the cabinet he is building, it is because he has a good relationship with the NYPD and the FBI, and he knows all about the Clinton Foundation and the pedo-ring. He intends to take them all down.

No he isn't exactly a liberty candidate, but he is shaping an administration to destroy the clinton foundation, and reverse the disastrous foreign policy in the middle east.

[undergroundrr]

he knows all about the Clinton Foundation and the pedo-ring. He intends to take them all down.

I'm sure he's looking forward to all those questions about his own participation with Epstein's activities. They will inevitably be raised if he goes down that path.

[UWDude]

I'm sure he's looking forward to all those questions about his own participation with Epstein's activities. They will inevitably be raised if he goes down that path.

"all those questions"

You think he is scared? You still don't know Trump. Trump doesn't drink, smoke or do drugs or even drink coffee.

[undergroundrr]

"all those questions"

You think he is scared? You still don't know Trump. Trump doesn't drink, smoke or do drugs or even drink coffee.

But he does grab... oh never mind

[phill4paul]

Good on him. I don't see how anyone can be critical of this. However, his constant flip-flopping makes me skeptical as to whether or not this is genuine or just more B.S.

[CPUd]

I can tell by the cabinet he is building, it is because he has a good relationship with the NYPD and the FBI, and he knows all about the Clinton Foundation and the pedo-ring. He intends to take them all down.

No he isn't exactly a liberty candidate, but he is shaping an administration to destroy the clinton foundation, and reverse the disastrous foreign policy in the middle east.

Why would he want to do that when they are his friends and he's been using his own foundation as his personal piggy bank?

[fcreature]

"probably a bunch here"

you mean none?

neg repped.

Oh, right, I forgot. Waterboarding isn't torture.

:rolleyes:

[dannno]

But he does grab... oh never mind

He grabs adult vah-jayjays.

[undergroundrr]

He grabs adult vah-jayjays.

We'll have to see his art collection before we know for sure.

[UWDude]

Oh, right, I forgot. Waterboarding isn't torture.

:rolleyes:

I don't think anybody here, Trump supporter or not, ever said that either. You must be getting us confused with some other forum.

[William Tell]

Good on him. I don't see how anyone can be critical of this. However, his constant flip-flopping makes me skeptical as to whether or not this is genuine or just more B.S.

This.

[specsaregood]

I don't think anybody here, Trump supporter or not, ever said that either. You must be getting us confused with some other forum.

I'm not sure of my position on waterboarding. On the onehand, it seems that everybody that has even been waterboarded says it is torture. On the otherhand; it just doesn't seem like it. If given the opportunity to be waterboarded in a controlled setting with experts on hand, I'd submit myself to it to find out. In lieu of that, I'm going to have to go with it being torture by default just because that madman McCain says it is.