Richard Spencer Goes Off the Rails and Into the Chasm Below

[AuH20]

Horrible , horrible optics. Then he agrees to collaborate with the Atlantic? Someone should doxx his bank account after this stunt.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk

[Tywysog Cymru]

The alt-right is a fascist movement, none of this surprises me.

[AuH20]

The alt-right is a fascist movement, none of this surprises me.

The loudest and most visible faction. Possibly fed controlled as well.

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

THE ‘1488rs’

Anything associated as closely with racism and bigotry as the alternative right will inevitably attract real racists and bigots. Calmer members of the alternative right refer darkly to these people as the “1488ers,” and for all their talk of there being “no enemies to the right,” it’s clear from the many conversations we’ve had with alt-righters that many would rather the 1488ers didn’t exist.

These are the people that the alt-right’s opponents wish constituted the entire movement. They’re less concerned with the welfare of their own tribe than their fantasies of destroying others. 1488ers would likely denounce this article as the product of a degenerate homosexual and an ethnic mongrel.

Why “1488”? It’s a reference to two well-known Neo Nazi slogans, the first being the so-called 14 Words: “We Must Secure The Existence Of Our People And A Future For White Children.” The second part of the number, 88, is a reference to the 8th letter of the alphabet – H. Thus, “88” becomes “HH” which becomes “Heil Hitler.”

Not very edifying stuff. But if you want to use the 1488ers to tarnish the entire alt-right, you need to do the same with Islamist killers and Islam and third-wave feminist wackos with the entire history and purpose of feminism. Which you might well be fine with — but let’s be consistent.

Alt-right vlogger Paul “RamZPaul” Ramsey describes them as “LARPers” or Live-Action Role Players: a disparaging comparison to nerdy nostalgists who dress up as medieval warriors. Paul even goes as far as to suggest some in this “toxic mix of kooks and ex-cons” may be there solely to discredit the more reasonable white identitarians.

Every ideology has them. Humourless ideologues who have no lives beyond their political crusade, and live for the destruction of the great. They can be found on Stormfront and other sites, not just joking about the race war, but eagerly planning it. They are known as “Stormfags” by the rest of the internet.

Based on our research we believe this stands in stark contrast with the rest of the alt-right, who focus more on building communities and lifestyles based around their values than plotting violent revolution.

1488ers are the equivalent of the Black Lives Matter supporters who call for the deaths of policemen, or feminists who unironically want to #KillAllMen. Of course, the difference is that while the media pretend the latter are either non-existent, or a tiny extremist minority, they consider 1488ers to constitute the whole of the alt-right.

Those looking for Nazis under the bed can rest assured that they do exist. On the other hand, there’s just not very many of them, no-one really likes them, and they’re unlikely to achieve anything significant in the alt-right.

What little remains of old-school white supremacy and the KKK in America constitutes a tiny, irrelevant contingent with no purchase on public life and no support even from what the media would call the “far-Right.” (Admittedly, these days that includes anyone who votes Republican.)

[UWDude]

Works with teh Atlantic. Probably was given a speech and $150,000 to do so.

[AuH20]

I've communicated with Richard Spencer on twitter. He's a very pleasant fellow and the antithesis of a troll. However, I completely disagree with his vision of a white ethnostate. With that said, I really question his authenticity after an alarming stunt like this. Who says 'Hail Trump' at a questionable event like this? Think about the optics of this with all that's going on.

[AuH20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx0vgBBXUAAyhAc.jpg

[goldenequity]

The equivalent of using radical muslims as proxies.
This is being 'run' out of deep state to sow chaos.
Follow the money.

[kahless]

I was reading about some of this before coming here and was thinking is this guy - event some sort of controlled opposition to destroy the alt-right.

One could say a case could be made for preservation of the white ethnic minority in the world and the loss of the white majority status in the US by appropriately managing immigration levels as has been done throughout US history. They try to claim this is not who we are as a country but that is blatantly false since the majority of US history legislatively and demographically demonstrates otherwise.

Unfortunately racists and anti-semites are always too close or latch on to any movement and it effectively shuts down any support for those who wish to voice their concerns. All too convenient it seems.

[AuH20]

More Catnip for the media.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx1J0yMW8AAN3zR.jpg

[angelatc]

More Catnip for the media.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx1J0yMW8AAN3zR.jpg

That's CNN for you. The quote was asking if the media was soulless, not the Jews.



“This was the year when random shitlords on Twitter, anonymous podcasts hosts, and dissidents working deep within the beltway right proved that they objectively understood politics better than the Republican strategists and the political consultant snarking at us every night on NBC,” Spencer said at a white nationalist conference Saturday.

He added, “It’s not just that they are leftists and cucks. It’s not just that many are genuinely stupid. Indeed one wonders if these people are people at all, or instead soulless golem animated by some dark power to repeat whatever talking point John Oliver stated the night before.”

[Tywysog Cymru]

Unfortunately racists and anti-semites are always too close or latch on to any movement and it effectively shuts down any support for those who wish to voice their concerns. All too convenient it seems.

Why is it surprising that racists and anti-Semites latched on to the alt-right? It's no less surprising than when libertarians latched on to the liberty movement or when socialists latched on Bernie Sanders.

[AuH20]

Why is it surprising that racists and anti-Semites latched on to the alt-right? It's no less surprising than when libertarians latched on to the liberty movement or when socialists latched on Bernie Sanders.

Recruitment and usurpation of the movement.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Recruitment and usurpation of the movement.

What usurpation? Racists and anti-Semites started the movement.

[AuH20]

What usurpation? Racists and anti-Semites started the movement.

Nope. Alt Right was a term coined by noted paleocon Paul Gottfried. Alt Right was always an edgier, bolder variation of the right. The racists jumped into the void as well.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Nope. Alt Right was a term coined by noted paleocon Paul Gottfried. Alt Right was always an edgier, bolder variation of the right. The racists jumped into the void as well.

I thought Richard Spencer was the founder?

Anyway, the racists and anti-Semites are the only alt-rightists I've ever met.

[AuH20]

I thought Richard Spencer was the founder?

Anyway, the racists and anti-Semites are the only alt-rightists I've ever met.

Richard Spencer tried to take control of the Alt Right.

[phill4paul]

C'mon, Richard, which of many forum monikers do you post under? I won't tell.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Richard Spencer tried to take control of the Alt Right.

It seems like he has control of the alt-right.

[AuH20]

It seems like he has control of the alt-right.

The Alt right is nameless, faceless and undefinable. He failed when he tried to take control of it.

[Tywysog Cymru]

The Alt right is nameless, faceless and undefinable. He failed when he tried to take control of it.

None of the alt-rightists I've seen have spoken negatively of him.

[AuH20]

None of the alt-rightists I've seen have spoken negatively of him.

He's a nice guy, but his ideas are extreme.

[Tywysog Cymru]

He's a nice guy, but his ideas are extreme.

If anything, I've heard that he's more moderate than a lot of the movement.

[AuH20]

If anything, I've heard that he's more moderate than a lot of the movement.

He did defend Milo, when the 1488ers wanted to publicly crucify him.

[Tywysog Cymru]

He did defend Milo, when the 1488ers wanted to publicly crucify him.

Exactly, I guess Spencer is one of the "big tent" guys in the movement. If Spencer is a moderate, that says something about the movement.

[kahless]

It seems like he has control of the alt-right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right


In November 2008, Paul Gottfried addressed the H. L. Mencken Club about what he called "the alternative right".[31] In 2009, two more posts at Taki's Magazine, by Patrick J. Ford and Jack Hunter, further discussed the alternative right.[32] The term, however, is most commonly attributed to Richard B. Spencer, president of the National Policy Institute and founder of Alternative Right {website}

With any new movement someone comes along and co-opt's it with the consent of the media. It is like at the height of the Tea Party a few years back the Neocons founded their own so called Tea Party groups.

[Tywysog Cymru]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right


With any new movement someone comes along and co-opt's it with the consent of the media. It is like at the height of the Tea Party a few years back the Neocons founded their own so called Tea Party groups.

The alt-right is now almost entirely a racist movement. I never see anti-racist alt-rightists.

[misterx]

He seems to be trying to take full advantage of Trump's election, by forcing the alt-right into the center of the national conversation, and defining the movement with his ideas. If he continues this strategy, it's a bold move that will either give him a major breakthrough, or totally destroy his movement and the greater alt-right along with it. I don't know that it's a good strategy for him, and I'm not sure how I feel about his ideas either, so I'll just sit back with some popcorn and watch. It should be interesting.

[misterx]

The alt-right is now almost entirely a racist movement. I never see anti-racist alt-rightists.

You don't really see anti-racist anything, except for SJWs. Nobody really cares about racism anymore because we're all sick of hearing about it.

[kahless]

The alt-right is now almost entirely a racist movement. I never see anti-racist alt-rightists.

Depends what your definition of racism and the alt-right is. Milo Yiannopoulos for example is a openly gay Jew that is considered alt-right. I do not view that faction as racist although it may very well end up solely of a movement of racists. It will depend on what the media does with it and you know the media they would love to have it permanently labeled a racist group.

[AuH20]

The alt-right is now almost entirely a racist movement. I never see anti-racist alt-rightists.

I am anti-Cultural Marxism in all it's forms. My sole focus is to destroy Cultural Marxism and let the chips fall where they may. Let the people decide with the curtains pulled back.

[nobody's_hero]

You don't really see anti-racist anything, except for SJWs. Nobody really cares about racism anymore because we're all sick of hearing about it.

CORRECT!!

[PatriotOne]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx0vgBBXUAAyhAc.jpg

Rules for Radicals - Saul Alinsky

Opening page - Dedication

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history... the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

[Tywysog Cymru]

You don't really see anti-racist anything, except for SJWs. Nobody really cares about racism anymore because we're all sick of hearing about it.

replace anti-racist with non-racist then.


Depends what your definition of racism and the alt-right is. Milo Yiannopoulos for example is a openly gay Jew that is considered alt-right. I do not view that faction as racist although it may very well end up solely of a movement of racists. It will depend on what the media does with it and you know the media they would love to have it permanently labeled a racist group.

Milo doesn't consider himself to be part of the alt-right.


I am anti-Cultural Marxism in all it's forms. My sole focus is to destroy Cultural Marxism and let the chips fall where they may. Let the people decide with the curtains pulled back.

What does that have to do with what I said?

[misterx]

replace anti-racist with non-racist then.




Then your statement is no longer true. Milo is a self-labeled member of the alt-right, and is non-racist. He is the poster boy of the alt-right, and there are many others like him.

[kahless]

Milo doesn't consider himself to be part of the alt-right.

No? You type in his name in any search engine and most of the titles and descriptions come back identifying him as alt-right. Of course it would be of no surprise the media misrepresenting if not true.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Then your statement is no longer true. Milo is a self-labeled member of the alt-right, and is non-racist. He is the poster boy of the alt-right, and there are many others like him.

He calls himself a fellow traveler of the alt-right.

[Tywysog Cymru]

No? You type in his name in any search engine and most of the titles and descriptions come back identifying him as alt-right. Of course it would be of no surprise the media misrepresenting if not true.

Maybe this changed recently, but I remember him saying that he was just a fellow traveler. Bannon is probably the same.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Spencer's alright, but he has some wacky ideas. He was anti-Brexit. He thinks that there should be a pan-European empire and that the EU should be taken over by white nationalists.

[kahless]

Maybe this changed recently, but I remember him saying that he was just a fellow traveler. Bannon is probably the same.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/19/bannon-alt-right-young-anti-globalist-anti-establishment-nationalist/


Bannon: “Our definition of the alt-right is younger people who are anti-globalists, very nationalist, terribly anti-establishment.”

But he says Breitbart is also a platform for “libertarians,” Zionists, “the conservative gay community,” “proponents of restrictions on gay marriage,” “economic nationalism” and “populism” and “the anti-establishment.” In other words, the site hosts many views. “We provide an outlet for 10 or 12 or 15 lines of thought—we set it up that way” and the alt-right is “a tiny part of that.” Yes, he concedes, the alt-right has “some racial and anti-Semitic overtones.” He makes clear he has zero tolerance for such views.


I can get on-board with some of that but I am out anywhere near the Nazi, Hitler, anti-semite stuff.

[Tywysog Cymru]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/19/bannon-alt-right-young-anti-globalist-anti-establishment-nationalist/


I can get on-board with some of that but I am out anywhere near the Nazi, Hitler, anti-semite stuff.

Breitbart is a fellow traveler site. I've heard alt-rightists say that it's okay for public figures to not be white nationalists because they have reputations to defend or whatever.

[pcosmar]

"fellow traveler"
but where are they going?

[Murray N Rothbard]

He's certainly not focused on Liberty, that's for sure. Fuck this scumbag. Fuck Trump too.

"It can't happen here" ?

Already is...

http://media.salon.com/2015/09/trump_it_cant_happen_here.jpg

[AuH20]

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[freejack]

Media wants to put a face on the alt-right and found the perfect poster boy. They will elevate him so all will know who he is.

[AuH20]

Richard Spencer performed admirably in this debate with Roland Martin. I am surprised at his demeanor and aptitude in a hostile setting. Martin did OK as well, but he relies on some straw-man arguments.

https://www.facebook.com/rolandsmartinfanpage/videos/10154189796407831/

Roland Martin, who I respect, really lost it when Spencer refuted the Egyptian Myth. Though, he was incorrect grouping Egyptians as 'white.'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI80IG7A2Qg

All in all, we need more extended dialogue like this.

[eleganz]

Why is it surprising that racists and anti-Semites latched on to the alt-right? It's no less surprising than when libertarians latched on to the liberty movement or when socialists latched on Bernie Sanders.

Or social conservatives with the GOP.

[undergroundrr]

You don't really see anti-racist anything, except for SJWs. Nobody really cares about racism anymore because we're all sick of hearing about it.

I hate racism and all the other forms of collectivism. On RPF the alt-righters have distinguished themselves on many occasions by actually asking "What's wrong with collectivism anyhow?" That's a big ideological divide. If progressivist SJW's took ownership of combating racism, it's not a mark against them, but against libertarians that we weren't loud and assertive enough about it first. Racism is stupid communist nonsense.

[Danke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFalXA-RNjI&t=

[AuH20]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFalXA-RNjI&t=

Red Ice is a great outlet. Good info on that site that spans all topics.

[Danke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8HBLX_khwQ

[NewRightLibertarian]

Maybe now the alt rightists will gravitate toward flamboyant, provocative, talented media personalities like Gavin, Milo and PJW rather than lowlife liabilities like Jared Taylor and Richard Spencer after this ridiculous stunt.

[eleganz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFalXA-RNjI&t=

Goddamn they're stupid. Doing the heil hitler salute as a joke when you know the media is going to twist it to their narrative and the entire nation will think you're nazis. Somebody get them a f'ing PR consultant.

[kahless]

Man who did Nazi salute with Tila Tequila outside Richard Spencer’s alt-right conference is Jewish, and it’s causing problems..
http://www.salon.com/2016/11/23/man-who-did-nazi-salute-with-tila-tequila-outside-richard-spencers-alt-right-conference-is-jewish-and-its-causing-problems/

“As a half-jew posing with an Asian I figured it would be viewed for what it was, a joke,” the essay says. “Personally I do not have any problems with this gesture, as I think it is an inspirational expression of loyalty to, and pride in, our heritage.”

The anonymous blogger continued: “Despite being the product of the selfish act of miscegenation myself, I identify as European. The preservation of our race, our culture, and our way of life is more dear to me than any other part of my life. I lived first-hand through the violence caused by diversity. . . . None of the personal fallout since [the National Policy Institute event] has bothered me on any deep level, even my own Jewish father seeing my face on MSNBC giving the Roman salute caused me little concern. It was not until [vlogger Paul Ramsey who’s nicknamed] Ramzpaul called me a false-flagger that I was truly vexed.”

[misterx]

I hate racism and all the other forms of collectivism. On RPF the alt-righters have distinguished themselves on many occasions by actually asking "What's wrong with collectivism anyhow?" That's a big ideological divide. If progressivist SJW's took ownership of combating racism, it's not a mark against them, but against libertarians that we weren't loud and assertive enough about it first. Racism is stupid communist nonsense.

So individuals should be forbidden from being racist? Who exactly defines racism?

[undergroundrr]

So individuals should be forbidden from being racist?

No.


Who exactly defines racism?

Ron Paul.

"Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans only as members of groups and never as individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike; as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups." - Ron Paul

[Sola_Fide]

None of this has anything to do with liberty. It's the antithesis of liberty. Why even talk about it?

[misterx]

No.



Ron Paul.

"Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans only as members of groups and never as individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike; as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups." - Ron Paul

Ok. If that's the definition of racist, I don't think anyone in the world is racist. Nobody believes that people of the same race are all alike, just generally more similar than people of different races.