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fatjohn
11-19-2016, 11:46 AM
If you are not aware what pizzagate is please read up here before voting in the poll.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?503312-Clinton-Foundation-Pedophile-Sex-Ring

Jamesiv1
11-19-2016, 11:54 AM
If you are not aware what pizzagate is please read up here before voting in the poll.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?503312-Clinton-Foundation-Pedophile-Sex-Ring
ummmm.... Mr. Engineer, did you forget to add the poll?

fatjohn
11-19-2016, 12:03 PM
ummmm.... Mr. Engineer, did you forget to add the poll?

Was busy with it...

Philhelm
11-19-2016, 12:30 PM
I didn't like all of the poll options, but I'm inclined to believe there is some truth there. Comet Ping Pong, Majestic Ape, all of the strange photos and comments were all discovered precisely because of some of the strange Podesta e-mails that appeared to be code speak.

fatjohn
11-19-2016, 12:46 PM
I didn't like all of the poll options, but I'm inclined to believe there is some truth there. Comet Ping Pong, Majestic Ape, all of the strange photos and comments were all discovered precisely because of some of the strange Podesta e-mails that appeared to be code speak.

Sorry about that. You only have 100 characters to express an opinion. I tried to range it false, semi-true, true and true plus more.
I like to see how close to a critical mass this is getting. I for one can't seem to logically say that james alefantis might have pedo tendencies but that the buck stops there. There are just too much coincidences to be coincidences.

fatjohn
11-21-2016, 05:25 PM
Bump

Zippyjuan
11-21-2016, 05:31 PM
I vote for more pepperoni!

http://heatst.com/politics/internet-is-obsessed-with-bizarre-hillary-clinton-pizzagate-conspiracy-theory/

http://www.inquisitr.com/3723141/what-is-pizzagate-bizarre-conspiracy-theory-claims-hillary-clinton-is-part-of-an-underground-pedophile-ring-debunked/


From: John Podesta [mailto:john.podesta@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 4:03 PM
To: Tony Podesta <podesta@podesta.com>
Subject: Re: Hillary pizza party April 10

Should work.

On Wednesday, March 9, 2016, Tony Podesta <podesta@podesta.com<mailto:podesta@podesta.com>> wrote:

John --

Hosting pizza party at Belmont for HFA on April 10.

Maya Harris is joining, but need you.

Can you come?

Thanks much,

Tony

Sometimes a pizza party is just a pizza party. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/42458

"Kiddie porn" artworks on the walls of Comet Ping Pong:
http://themillenniumreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/dccometwall1.jpg

the "ping pong" room:

http://slice.seriouseats.com/images/20070709comet.jpg

The bar area:
http://payload48.cargocollective.com/1/0/17634/3278067/Comet-Proposal-Interior1_2048.jpg

https://www.google.com/search?q=Comet+Ping+Pong&rlz=1C1ASUM_enUS677US677&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjE87G9g7vQAhUT72MKHbp2DHIQ_AUICSgC&biw=1920&bih=974#imgrc=2IDu2DCl-xv85M%3A

Zippyjuan
11-21-2016, 05:57 PM
According to some "reports" there is supposedly some Haitian NGO offices across the street. Google Maps shows a gas station, a mini- mart, a hair salon, a "bodyworks studio", and a couple restaurant plus a bank. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Comet+Ping+Pong/@38.955191,-77.0700913,20z/data=!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x89b7c9b98f61ad27:0x81a8bf73 4dd1c58f!2sComet+Ping+Pong!8m2!3d38.9559497!4d-77.0699666!3m4!1s0x89b7c9b98f61ad27:0x81a8bf734dd1 c58f!8m2!3d38.9559497!4d-77.0699666

GunnyFreedom
11-21-2016, 06:02 PM
No idea, no way to know. I suspect there is a fire somewhere behind all that smoke but it could be a lot less than we have been led to believe or it could be a lot worse than we have been led to believe. At this point I suspect 'better' or 'worse' is a coin toss. I don't think I have an appropriate poll option.

FunkBuddha
11-21-2016, 06:16 PM
I didn't like all of the poll options, but I'm inclined to believe there is some truth there. Comet Ping Pong, Majestic Ape, all of the strange photos and comments were all discovered precisely because of some of the strange Podesta e-mails that appeared to be code speak.

^^^ This. Too many coincidences at this point to say it's just some internet conspiracy. I tried hard to convince myself that it wasn't real.

undergroundrr
11-21-2016, 06:22 PM
Undoubtedly, (and documentedly), there are pedophiles in power. But I spent way to much time looking at the pizzagate "evidence" and couldn't find myself very convinced. The biggest problem is that so much is being hung on interpreting the Podesta emails with retro-fitted "code words," which, absent a source or citations, are plumbed from the what-if musings of somebody reading the Wikileaks.

I suppose there are a few people rigorously researching the pizzagate stuff because they want to save some children from abuse. All of the people I've seen who are truly obsessed with it are more interested in incriminating libs (only Democrats are discussed) than saving kids.

And I fear that way too many of the pizzagate obsessives are hoping for the wrong reason that some really juicy vids will get posted.

Philhelm
11-21-2016, 07:42 PM
The biggest problem is that so much is being hung on interpreting the Podesta emails with retro-fitted "code words," which, absent a source or citations, are plumbed from the what-if musings of somebody reading the WikiLeaks.

Actually, the retro-fitting argument is untrue. It was those curious e-mails that led to the discovery of:

-Comet Ping Pong.
-James Alefantis' Instagrams containing children and comments with sexual innuendo (nothing he said was normal).
-Amanda Kleinman (a/k/a Majestic Ape) and the band Heavy Breathing, which contains lyrics and artwork with pedophile innuendo, not to mention the YouTube video in which he is at Comet Ping Pong.
-Portuguese police sketches that look similar to the Podesta brothers.
-Artwork in Tony Podesta's house that has pedophile innuendo and a sculpture that channels Jeffrey Dahmer crime scene photos.
-The use of pedophile symbols straight from an FBI unclassified document used by Comet Ping Pong, Besta Pizza, and Politics and Prose, all of which are within the same vicinity.
-Alefantis and Kleinman responding to the conspiracy theory by claiming to be the victims of white nationalism, anti-semitism, etc., but no reasonable explanation for their strange behavior.

I was skeptical at first, but there is a lot of smoke there, and everything discovered is outside the realm of normal, especially for people who are within the inner circle of government (or so one would presume). That said, some of the speculations can go off the rails, and I highly doubt most government officials are involved.

I would certainly like a reasonable explanation for what the following means:

-A handkerchief with a map that is pizza-related (WTF?).
-Whether it is easier to play dominoes on cheese or on pasta (WTF?).

Finally, the largest smoking gun: Many conversations about pizza, but not one argument about pizza toppings. I've never ordered a pizza with other people without having to spend ten minutes arguing and negotiating.

Philhelm
11-21-2016, 07:50 PM
I vote for more pepperoni!

Obviously, they aren't going to blatantly advertise the fact that they run a pedophile ring (assuming it's true), so the pizza joint aspect is a "legitimate" front.

jonhowe
11-21-2016, 07:54 PM
I am a big skeptic of many of the so-called "conspiracy theories" subscribed to on this forum. I think Adam Lanza shot 20 something kids at Sandy Hook and that Osama Bin Laden planned 9/11 in response to US foreign policy and radical ideology.

But I voted the 2nd option. I really think it's somewhere between the 2nd and 3rd, though. I think there is evidence of a fairly wide ranging group involved in something shady involving children. The pedophile logos at the pizza place and elsewhere, the BEYOND creepy paintings (though, not all the paintings have been confirmed to be connected to anyone), the videos from 2007 on youtube of people playing ping pong outside with the sound of children screaming...


One half my brain is telling me this is crazy. The other half sees it clearly. Humans are known to see patterns where there aren't any, but damn, it's REALLY fishy.

Zippyjuan
11-21-2016, 07:56 PM
All the "facts" and links are coming from conspiracy sites. Look hard enough and you can probably come up with ways to connect Ron and Rand Paul to the whole thing too. They have probably been in a pizza parlor at some point in time.

Philhelm
11-21-2016, 08:01 PM
All the "facts" and links are coming from conspiracy sites. Look hard enough and you can probably come up with ways to connect Ron and Rand Paul to the whole thing too.

Quite right. The facts came from conspiracy sites such as WikiLeaks, John Podesta's e-mail, Reddit, Instagram photos with Alefanti's comments, YouTube videos of Heavy Breathing, the FBI's own documents describing common symbolism among pedophiles, Comet Ping Pong's own website with "Friends" section showing Heavy Breathing and their innuendo-laden content, etc.

To be fair, I might not have believed it myself if I didn't spend hours following the progression of everything, and seeing how the new discoveries unfolded.

Please tell us what playing dominoes on cheese or pasta means, or what a handkerchief with a map that appears to be pizza-related means. They're obviously not going to talk about raping kids via e-mail (I'll give the benefit of the doubt that they're not that stupid. Or how about James Alefantis' Instagram comments in which children were in the photos? None of those comments are normal for a grown man, heterosexual or homosexual. At the very least, I think it would be worth an actual investigation.

fatjohn
11-22-2016, 01:29 PM
Well I think the mapping of the hivemind of rpf has taken place a bit. The story seems to be too damning and too coincidental to be written of as just a loose hypothesis. I think this should give us more confidence to start sharing it with others. You are unlikely to be viewed as the tinfoil hatter.

Obviously I made an error by not having an option "i do not quite know what to make of it' instead of throwing it in with don't care and conspiracy fatigue.

In the future it might be nice to start a thread with asking for input for poll options prior to setting up a poll. Just a thought.

staerker
11-22-2016, 02:08 PM
All the "facts" and links are coming from conspiracy sites. Look hard enough and you can probably come up with ways to connect Ron and Rand Paul to the whole thing too. They have probably been in a pizza parlor at some point in time.

You are spreading bald faced lies.

To anyone who has eyes to see, there is (or was, but there are archives) child pornography (stylized modern "art") hosted on multiple Comet-linked websites, and Instagram pages.

Of course, that is only the beginning of the rabbit hole, enter if you will.

staerker
11-22-2016, 02:16 PM
Remember guys, it's illegal to read these emails and watch fake news. CNN has got us covered.

fatjohn
11-22-2016, 02:25 PM
Has anyone put together a good email to introduce people slowly into it already? If so please pm or post.

Athan
11-22-2016, 03:08 PM
I vote for more pepperoni!

Sometimes a pizza party is just a pizza party.

Uh dude the actual public restaurant isn't the problem. (Outside of the strategic holes in the wall)
It is the hidden rooms around the place. Did you actually think they are going to do anything indecent with customers actually coming in? lol


https://youtu.be/L8xAEeoiyho

fatjohn
11-22-2016, 03:29 PM
Has anyone put together a good email to introduce people slowly into it already? If so please pm or post.

Please, help. My current one isn't working. Two girls have already blocked me on tinder for trying to red pill them.

Zippyjuan
11-22-2016, 07:03 PM
Uh dude the actual public restaurant isn't the problem. (Outside of the strategic holes in the wall)
It is the hidden rooms around the place. Did you actually think they are going to do anything indecent with customers actually coming in? lol


There isn't exactly a lot of footage to the place for "hidden rooms". https://www.google.com/maps/place/Comet+Ping+Pong/@38.9558923,-77.0700862,63m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x89b7c9b98f61ad27:0x 81a8bf734dd1c58f!2sComet+Ping+Pong!8m2!3d38.955949 7!4d-77.0699666!3m4!1s0x89b7c9b98f61ad27:0x81a8bf734dd1 c58f!8m2!3d38.9559497!4d-77.0699666!6m1!1e1

UWDude
11-22-2016, 07:21 PM
so reddit closed down pizzagate... ...but they still allow for a subreddit called "pedofriends" which is there to normalize pedophilia.

Philhelm
11-22-2016, 08:01 PM
so reddit closed down pizzagate... ...but they still allow for a subreddit called "pedofriends" which is there to normalize pedophilia.

Fvckers.

UWDude
11-22-2016, 08:19 PM
There are two pedo subreddits, I will not visit them, but it seems they are full of m4f adds... guys looking for women also interested in their "sexual preference"

Also lets not forget, women and men caught for pedophilia and molestation are about 50/50. Women are pedophiles as well.

staerker
11-22-2016, 09:05 PM
There isn't exactly a lot of footage to the place for "hidden rooms". https://www.google.com/maps/place/Comet+Ping+Pong/@38.9558923,-77.0700862,63m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x89b7c9b98f61ad27:0x 81a8bf734dd1c58f!2sComet+Ping+Pong!8m2!3d38.955949 7!4d-77.0699666!3m4!1s0x89b7c9b98f61ad27:0x81a8bf734dd1 c58f!8m2!3d38.9559497!4d-77.0699666!6m1!1e1

There is footage, however, of an underground cellar affectionately named "the kill room." And that's only what the owner had the balls to post online.

UWDude
11-22-2016, 09:17 PM
Here is a documentary by the Discovery Channel, filmed in 1993. It was never aired, because it started to uncover a giant pedo-ring in the halls of US government:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PScfMeXAQwU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PScfMeXAQwU

KEEF
11-22-2016, 09:18 PM
Uh dude the actual public restaurant isn't the problem. (Outside of the strategic holes in the wall)
It is the hidden rooms around the place. Did you actually think they are going to do anything indecent with customers actually coming in? lol


https://youtu.be/L8xAEeoiyho
Wow! That video is creepy.

AuH20
11-22-2016, 09:19 PM
There is footage, however, of an underground cellar affectionately named "the kill room." And that's only what the owner had the balls to post online.

There was excavation done underneath both Buck's Camping & Fishing AND Comet Ping Pong Pizza. Both businesses are owned by James Alefantis. Who the hell knows what's below ground.

AuH20
11-22-2016, 09:20 PM
Snopes says we are all insane.

http://www.snopes.com/pizzagate-conspiracy/

And it's the notorious Kim LiCapria who does the fact-checking!

AuH20
11-22-2016, 09:24 PM
We're living the ending of the 'Burbs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EECf2o9Ivaw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPO1EQmj05I


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPpwiCStA54

UWDude
11-22-2016, 09:36 PM
Google Pizzagate, check the news, what do you see? Scroll down just a bit.
Nov 16, 2016... there is some pizza incident that happened in soccer. They are trying to hijack the term, so Europe will not see. 3 hits out of 11 are about the soccer scandal pizza gate. Daily Star and Evening Standard.

The British media is trying to hijack the term. So when you search pizzagate on the internet, it will be a soccer dust up. This started just a few days ago too.

Also note, the scandal happened in 2004. Yet suddenly the media is writing stories about it again.

AZJoe
11-22-2016, 09:37 PM
The circumstantial evidence:

The police suspect sketches not only look remarkably similar to both Podesta brothers, but uncannily identical to both of them.

http://victuruslibertas.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Tony-Podesta-mole.jpg

And now its reported there is evidence placing both Podesta brothers not only in Portugal on May 3, 2007, the date when Madeleine McCann was abducted, but in Praia da Luz - the very village where Madeleine was abducted. What are the chances these two brothers that are both virtual photographic images of the suspect sketches happen to both be in Portugal in the very same village at the time of the Madeleine abduction?

The report relates the Podestas were staying at one of friend Clement Freud's vacation mansions:
http://tapnewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/house-Podestas-stayed-in-1.jpg

The vacation mansion is located less than half a mile from the location the McCann's were staying:
http://tapnewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/map-location-of-home-1.jpg

On top of that you have all the weird pizza, cheese code talk in the known John Podesta's emails, and mysterious handkerchief with the "pizza related" map, combined with his connection to known pedophile, and pizza shop with pedophile symbols, and the weird suggestive artwork owned by John Podesta and his associates, and the connection to the weird spirit cooking with blood and other bodily fluids.

And now a recent photo has surfaced of John Podesta at a private gathering with an unidentified young girl that has a remarkable resemblance to an older version of the missing Madeleine:
http://tapnewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Podesta-large-pick-with-M-1.jpg

Is there enough to make one say hmmmm?

http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2016/11/the-podesta-brothers-revealed-to-be-in-portugal-the-day-of-madeleine-mccanns-disappearance-2615795.html
http://investmentwatchblog.com/fbi-insider-clinton-staff-linked-to-madeleine-mccann-disappearance/

goldenequity
11-22-2016, 10:07 PM
4chan user finds password protected directory with large .zip files on Comet Pizza website (https://archive.is/VPZPq#selection-2203.0-2203.90)

This was archived and (now) easily viewed in its' entirety.
It would have been 'lost' had someone NOT thought
to do what's described in my signature... jus sayin...
it's ANOTHER good reason to 'archive'. Pretty easy. :)

undergroundrr
11-23-2016, 12:39 AM
You are spreading bald faced lies.

To anyone who has eyes to see, there is (or was, but there are archives) child pornography (stylized modern "art") hosted on multiple Comet-linked websites, and Instagram pages.

Of course, that is only the beginning of the rabbit hole, enter if you will.

Why do people WANT this to be real? Sit on that question for a minute.

I spent a lot of time going through the presented evidence. It looked like a bunch of tenuous connections between things that didn't quite pan out into tangible evidence.

It would not shock me one bit if the Podestas were involved with some nasty stuff. But owning edgy modern art is not evidence. People need to drop that.

The code word stuff would be silly, but it's disturbing because addled alt-right brains have constructed a massive pedophilia symbology around it. I can totally see some of the vague emails (dominoes, cheese, pasta) referring to weed and shrooms way, way before some smorgasbord of child abuse. Every occurrence of a spiral pattern somewhere is being touted as a pedophile symbol.

The Alefantis Instagram captures aren't convincing of anything. The chickenlover one is the only one where it looked like the image might be linked to a known pedophile term. Even then he could be razzing somebody in a tacky way, rather than prescribing abuse. No problem seeing the other ones with kids as just a hipster gay guy that likes kids the regular way.

And the hillbilly outrage about Marina Abramovic's performance art is just embarrassing. It's like nobody listened to Slayer or watched Friday the 13th as a kid. Yes, Abramovic has a strong footprint at the top of the art world and she likes to be provocative and push the envelope, as do a large percentage of artists. The New York art world is very tied to money and the influence class, so yes you'll see her around elites. Artists explore the boundaries of birth, life, death, body, thought. Her stuff is somewhat less disturbing than Bosch, Bacon and Giger, none of which have been accused of aiding and abetting pedophilia or ritual baby killing.

It feeds into the sad but probably true perception that liberals love art and conservatives wouldn't know it if it hit em in the face. Then again, sure, Abramovic might just be some kind of Satanic guru.

There were also crude paintings used for rock band poster art that really had some nasty overt imagery that I'd like to un-see. But I never saw any attribution connecting it directly the case at hand other than being generally subversive.

More power to people who continue to investigate. But investigation doesn't really characterize what's all over reddit, just a whole lot of villainizing people nobody's got anything solid on. Pizzagaters want it to be true so much that they'll grab onto any ridiculous tangent as though it's another indisputable piece of the puzzle. So if there is any truth to the allegations, it's getting covered up by a pile of credulous nonsense.

Most damning evidence against the validity of pizzagate is the particular category of people who are leading the charge - the people who think trump is going to fulfill their every political dream. Naturally, they think Clinton is somehow going to fulfill humanity's worst nightmares of cruelty. Funny, because trump seems to be just fine with Hillary now.

dannno
11-23-2016, 12:49 AM
There is footage, however, of an underground cellar affectionately named "the kill room." And that's only what the owner had the balls to post online.

That must be where they kill the pigs, to make the pepperoni. Right zippy?

fatjohn
11-23-2016, 12:58 AM
The Alefantis Instagram captures aren't convincing of anything. The chickenlover one is the only one where it looked like the image might be linked to a known pedophile term. Even then he could be razzing somebody in a tacky way, rather than prescribing abuse. No problem seeing the other ones with kids as just a hipster gay guy that likes kids the regular way.


This one?

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O8Sw7XCCSJY/WDOgpFTea4I/AAAAAAABpXo/uvLllXFejfQMR9lMmuWfsm4aExkZPkezwCLcB/s1600/2016-11-12-13_53_55-Films-TV%255B1%255D.png

' i like kids so much i tie them to tables. I am just a normal dude.'

specsaregood
11-23-2016, 01:00 AM
The police suspect sketches not only look remarkably similar to both Podesta brothers, but uncannily identical to both of them.

Is there enough to make one say hmmmm?


It does to me, of all the crazy stuff that has been linked/written about "pizzagate" this one is the most solid and interesting. I assume some 4chan/reddit folk have tried to contact the McCann family and mention this info?

Seraphim
11-23-2016, 02:02 AM
Holy shit I just saw the vid of Joe Biden hot pic'ed saying to a 13 y/o girl

Holy shit

Holy shit

"By the way...do you wanna know how horny I am to have a 13 y/o girl standing next to me

It's at 27:15

Lord have mercy on the souls of these children

dannno
11-23-2016, 02:37 AM
Google Pizzagate, check the news, what do you see? Scroll down just a bit.
Nov 16, 2016... there is some pizza incident that happened in soccer. They are trying to hijack the term, so Europe will not see. 3 hits out of 11 are about the soccer scandal pizza gate. Daily Star and Evening Standard.

The British media is trying to hijack the term. So when you search pizzagate on the internet, it will be a soccer dust up. This started just a few days ago too.

Also note, the scandal happened in 2004. Yet suddenly the media is writing stories about it again.

Alex Jones being proven right again - this is an infowar.

undergroundrr
11-23-2016, 08:01 AM
This one?

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O8Sw7XCCSJY/WDOgpFTea4I/AAAAAAABpXo/uvLllXFejfQMR9lMmuWfsm4aExkZPkezwCLcB/s1600/2016-11-12-13_53_55-Films-TV%255B1%255D.png

' i like kids so much i tie them to tables. I am just a normal dude.'

All the instagrams are creepy if seen through a filter of pedophelia. It could also be that some parent instagrammed it to him with a "this is how I keep my little squirt from running around when we're in a restaurant" or a lot of other things. If it's not a den of iniquity, but a family dinner and entertainment destination, then it's subject to the same annoying stuff kids do at Chuck E. Cheese and everywhere else.

It doesn't help that pizzagaters commented on the instagrams with stuff about Kek before they were captured. It looks like people are confused that those comments are part of Alefantis' normal friends' conversation.

undergroundrr
11-23-2016, 08:05 AM
Alex Jones being proven right again - this is an infowar.

They're doing a crappy job of it. Although rhere are a couple soccer links down the page, most of my links are still coming up with stuff about Comet Ping-Pong. A Google for James Alefantis comes up with a bunch of reddit and alt-media links. I hope you guys are right because that's his internet identity now - child murderer, rapist and pimp.

Athan
11-23-2016, 08:11 AM
There isn't exactly a lot of footage to the place for "hidden rooms".

Pretty sure they don't want the public to know a lot about it.

Athan
11-23-2016, 08:22 AM
Why do people WANT this to be real? Sit on that question for a minute.

I spent a lot of time going through the presented evidence. It looked like a bunch of tenuous connections between things that didn't quite pan out into tangible evidence.

It would not shock me one bit if the Podestas were involved with some nasty stuff. But owning edgy modern art is not evidence. People need to drop that.

The code word stuff would be silly, but it's disturbing because addled alt-right brains have constructed a massive pedophilia symbology around it. I can totally see some of the vague emails (dominoes, cheese, pasta) referring to weed and shrooms way, way before some smorgasbord of child abuse. Every occurrence of a spiral pattern somewhere is being touted as a pedophile symbol.

The Alefantis Instagram captures aren't convincing of anything. The chickenlover one is the only one where it looked like the image might be linked to a known pedophile term. Even then he could be razzing somebody in a tacky way, rather than prescribing abuse. No problem seeing the other ones with kids as just a hipster gay guy that likes kids the regular way.

And the hillbilly outrage about Marina Abramovic's performance art is just embarrassing. It's like nobody listened to Slayer or watched Friday the 13th as a kid. Yes, Abramovic has a strong footprint at the top of the art world and she likes to be provocative and push the envelope, as do a large percentage of artists. The New York art world is very tied to money and the influence class, so yes you'll see her around elites. Artists explore the boundaries of birth, life, death, body, thought. Her stuff is somewhat less disturbing than Bosch, Bacon and Giger, none of which have been accused of aiding and abetting pedophilia or ritual baby killing.

It feeds into the sad but probably true perception that liberals love art and conservatives wouldn't know it if it hit em in the face. Then again, sure, Abramovic might just be some kind of Satanic guru.

There were also crude paintings used for rock band poster art that really had some nasty overt imagery that I'd like to un-see. But I never saw any attribution connecting it directly the case at hand other than being generally subversive.

More power to people who continue to investigate. But investigation doesn't really characterize what's all over reddit, just a whole lot of villainizing people nobody's got anything solid on. Pizzagaters want it to be true so much that they'll grab onto any ridiculous tangent as though it's another indisputable piece of the puzzle. So if there is any truth to the allegations, it's getting covered up by a pile of credulous nonsense.

Most damning evidence against the validity of pizzagate is the particular category of people who are leading the charge - the people who think trump is going to fulfill their every political dream. Naturally, they think Clinton is somehow going to fulfill humanity's worst nightmares of cruelty. Funny, because trump seems to be just fine with Hillary now.

No one wants this to be real fool. This is vile stuff. However what you are expecting us to be (if like yourself) is able to ignore the most obvious warning signs in history. Most of us are good at seeing the writing on the wall when it comes to finances and the state of liberty, of course we are going to be the kind of people that are going to see a lot of signs something is not NORMAL.

Hell if you have a problem, why don't you tell the FBI to redact their pedo symbology documents?

https://wikileaks.org/w/images/a/a1/FBI-pedophile-symbols-page1.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/U142r7B.jpg

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/19761

undergroundrr
11-23-2016, 10:34 AM
Yes. Saw those already. I've seen all the same stuff you have. I'm just not convinced of the major thesis and allegations. Every city block of DC there's something dodgy happening. I just think we might be looking at victimless crimes involving substances rather than sex trafficking. If it's drugs then we should be defending the rights of Alefantis and Podesta, political enemies or not.

The political payments to Comet are worth digging deeper. I just don't find myself jumping to the conclusion they're related to pedophilia. The place rents space, caters, etc.

I am intrigued with the Podesta/McCann stuff, but there's a lot that needs to be way more firmly substantiated before I can take it seriously.

staerker
11-23-2016, 10:38 AM
//
Did you know Tony Podesta has teenager nudes hanging in his house? A Comet "friend" has "artwork" of a young boy sticking a dildo near his mouth. You cannot tell me that art exists in a vacuum. It reveals and spills over into reality. Your defense of compartmentalizing stylized rape proves this point- the next sexual front is pedophilia, and we are being desensitized to it.

But yes, the art is just the damning smoke. There are plenty other leads.

undergroundrr
11-23-2016, 10:53 AM
Yes, I know about Tony Podesta's art. I'm pretty sure I went through all the screen captures and information nuggets from 4chan and reddit.


Your defense of compartmentalizing stylized rape

Yeah, admittedly I'm a first amendment guy. Maybe you're right and Tony Podesta is City Hall Fred -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx3ZVKNbQts

Athan
11-23-2016, 01:03 PM
Yes. Saw those already. I've seen all the same stuff you have. I'm just not convinced of the major thesis and allegations. Every city block of DC there's something dodgy happening. I just think we might be looking at victimless crimes involving substances rather than sex trafficking. If it's drugs then we should be defending the rights of Alefantis and Podesta, political enemies or not.

The political payments to Comet are worth digging deeper. I just don't find myself jumping to the conclusion they're related to pedophilia. The place rents space, caters, etc.

I am intrigued with the Podesta/McCann stuff, but there's a lot that needs to be way more firmly substantiated before I can take it seriously.

You haven't seen all the stuff I have because I haven't posted it here. Some of that $hit I won't touch or save on my computer, let alone post on this forum..

undergroundrr
11-23-2016, 01:20 PM
You haven't seen all the stuff I have because I haven't posted it here. Some of that $hit I won't touch or save on my computer, let alone post on this forum..

Honestly I didn't notice you in particular in the pizzagate discussions. I don't base my conclusions on anything I see on this forum anymore. Since about nine months ago, it's become pretty worthless for real information

Athan
11-23-2016, 01:23 PM
Oops, my bad, then you should probably quote who you were posting in reference too.

Zippyjuan
11-23-2016, 01:29 PM
Alex Jones being proven right again - this is an infowar.

Like when he said everybody was going to be rounded up into FEMA camps?

dannno
11-23-2016, 01:32 PM
Like when he said everybody was going to be rounded up into FEMA camps?

That was averted, recently.

Although Trump could have camps. I would rather be at a Trump camp than a Hillary camp. Trump would have the best camps.

undergroundrr
11-23-2016, 01:48 PM
The Etsy designs were just a point to everybody who has concluded the spiral triangles, hearts within hearts and butterflies are damning evidence.

The crossed ping pong paddles equated with the butterfly emblem is really a stretch.

The Terasol heart doesn't even pass muster for the actual FBI pedophilia emblem. All of these would be much more incriminating. Perhaps the Pizzagate investigators should go after them one by one -

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/t/heart-spiral-27566977.jpg
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/spiral-heart-18052770.jpg
http://www.besttemplate123.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Spiral-Heart-Pop-Up-Card-Template-Free.jpg
https://image-gr.s3.envato.com/files/83661768/pv_590.jpg
https://img1.etsystatic.com/160/0/10884520/il_570xN.1129889879_fc03.jpg
https://img1.etsystatic.com/159/1/6879459/il_570xN.1134492677_7793.jpg

Jamesiv1
11-23-2016, 01:58 PM
That was averted, recently.

Although Trump could have camps. I would rather be at a Trump camp than a Hillary camp. Trump would have the best camps.
Damn right. They would be luxurious and fantastic!

Hillary's would be a total disaster.

Jamesiv1
11-23-2016, 02:09 PM
Honestly I didn't notice you in particular in the pizzagate discussions. I don't base my conclusions on anything I see on this forum anymore. Since about nine months ago, it's become pretty worthless for real information
You sir, need to respect this forum's libertah.

lilymc
11-23-2016, 02:39 PM
The fact that they're scrubbing the internet, making instagram pages private and banning pizzagate on reddit and other social media (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub0JDnaU9UA) goes to show that there is more to this than just smoke.

AuH20
11-23-2016, 03:08 PM
Like when he said everybody was going to be rounded up into FEMA camps?

Yes, REX 84 was the most notable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84


Contingency plans by the US Government for rounding up people perceived by the government to be subversive or a threat to civil order have existed for many decades.[7] For example, from 1967 to 1971, the FBI kept a list of over 100,000 people to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the "ADEX" list.[8]

Government exists to advance the interests of government. The wants and needs of the people are irrelevant when the chips are down.

newbitech
11-23-2016, 03:12 PM
I picked "I don't know, I don't care, Too tired of conspiracies."

Because it's the only answer that said, "I don't know." I do care, and I am not too tired of conspiracies. I just don't know and frankly don't have the time to speculate.

When there is some solid evidence, I will pay attention. But for the most part, all I have seen is some loosely related info that sort of remind me of the schizophrenic ramblings of someone I know who suffers from this emotional disorder.

But I am certainly open to viewing evidence.

dannno
11-23-2016, 03:14 PM
I picked "I don't know, I don't care, Too tired of conspiracies."

Because it's the only answer that said, "I don't know." I do care, and I am not too tired of conspiracies. I just don't know and frankly don't have the time to speculate.

When there is some solid evidence, I will pay attention. But for the most part, all I have seen is some loosely related info that sort of remind me of the schizophrenic ramblings of someone I know who suffers from this emotional disorder.

But I am certainly open to viewing evidence.

What about Madeleine McCann?

newbitech
11-23-2016, 03:22 PM
What about Madeleine McCann?

That the missing girl that supposedly was kidnapped by the podesta bros? I recall seeing some eye witness sketches that are supposed to resemble the podesta brothers or something like that.

I think it's a stretch based on the sketches. People said that black kid looks like Bubba, I think that is a stretch too.

Is there more to her story besides the sketches?

lilymc
11-23-2016, 03:37 PM
That the missing girl that supposedly was kidnapped by the podesta bros? I recall seeing some eye witness sketches that are supposed to resemble the podesta brothers or something like that.

I think it's a stretch based on the sketches. People said that black kid looks like Bubba, I think that is a stretch too.

Is there more to her story besides the sketches?

A stretch? You've got to be kidding me. They're almost identical.

http://i65.tinypic.com/wk5w95.jpg

undergroundrr
11-23-2016, 04:02 PM
A stretch? You've got to be kidding me. They're almost identical.

http://i65.tinypic.com/wk5w95.jpg

The sketches are of the same suspect (by two different artists), not two different suspects. Which one do they both most look like? You pick.

Jamesiv1
11-23-2016, 04:05 PM
I think it's a stretch based on the sketches. People said that black kid looks like Bubba, I think that is a stretch too.
You sir, are an enemy of libertah.

dannno
11-23-2016, 04:28 PM
The sketches are of the same suspect (by two different artists), not two different suspects.

LOL.. They are brothers, but I don't buy that for a second, that is such BS.

lilymc
11-23-2016, 04:33 PM
The sketches are of the same suspect (by two different artists), not two different suspects. Which one do they both most look like? You pick.

That's not what I heard. What it appears to be is sketches of two different people (clearly, they look nothing alike) probably by different witnesses who saw each of them individually.

newbitech
11-24-2016, 06:58 AM
A stretch? You've got to be kidding me. They're almost identical.

http://i65.tinypic.com/wk5w95.jpg


Yeah I saw this before I said it was a stretch. Seeing it again doesn't change my mind, nor does someone saying they look almost identical. Not really kidding. What is the source of the sketches? Who drew them? Off of whose description?

Obviously these sketches are two different qualities, why is that? Lots to question.

newbitech
11-24-2016, 06:59 AM
You sir, are an enemy of libertah.

not so much.

libertyjam
11-24-2016, 07:47 AM
As the Gene Genie would say, "I know a bent arsehole when I see one, and that Jimmy Commet dude is as bent as they come." - Gene Hunt

brandon
11-24-2016, 07:56 AM
Finally read about this thing and there was a couple pieces of interesting information mixed in with a million crackpot accusations. If someone could filter out all the crackpot shit this might have a better chance of being taken seriously by people.

The One
11-24-2016, 08:37 AM
Finally read about this thing and there was a couple pieces of interesting information mixed in with a million crackpot accusations. If someone could filter out all the crackpot shit this might have a better chance of being taken seriously by people.

I agree that, unfortunately, there is some goofy shit making its way into the conversation. I've even been guilty of passing along information too quickly only to find out later that the information was flawed.

That said, I think a whole helluva lot of people are taking it quite seriously. I realize an RPFs poll isn't exactly scientific, but not a single person has voted, "No, not at all." That's significant when you consider that we've got a pretty big handful of assholes running around here thinking they're obligated to be contrarian about everything all the time no matter what.

newbitech
11-24-2016, 08:49 AM
... "No, not at all." ... obligated to be contrarian about everything all the time no matter what.

incoming "No, not at all." Vote in

3

2

1

...

newbitech
11-24-2016, 08:51 AM
Just being a messenger with this post. Seems thread relevant.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-23/reddit-bans-pizzagate-we-dont-want-witchhunts-our-site

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user230519/imageroot/2016/11/23/2016.11.23%20-%20Reddit%202_0.JPG

staerker
11-24-2016, 09:04 AM
Reddit Pizzagate Timeline

11/23/16 0 UTC: Pizzagate sub was shut down due to "doxxing":
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5ee6gs/announcement_in_regards_to_todays_shutdown_of/

11/23/16 23 UTC: Admins caught redhanded editing posts without trace or notification:
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5ekdy9/the_admins_are_suffering_from_low_energy_have/

11/24/16 0 UTC: CEO of Reddit admits that it was him, pizzagate on his mind:
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5ekdy9/the_admins_are_suffering_from_low_energy_have/dad5sf1/



Lead being chased now, were admins manipulating Pizzagate posts, in order to facilitate their already flimsy reason for the ban?




Just being a messenger with this post. Seems thread relevant.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-23/reddit-bans-pizzagate-we-dont-want-witchhunts-our-site

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user230519/imageroot/2016/11/23/2016.11.23%20-%20Reddit%202_0.JPG

The One
11-24-2016, 09:16 AM
These two Reddit comments really make an impression:


–]Monsieur_Pounce 24 points 8 hours ago
Wish he'd have mentioned the pedo symbols on the other two businesses on that street. Because honestly thats what ultimately caused the whole pizzagate thing to pass the smell test for me.
It's at least conceivable, I guess, that two businesses next door to each other could accidentally incorporate pedo symbology into their logos and branding. Hey, stranger things have happened.
But three businesses? Astoundingly unlikely.
Four? Four businesses within 100 feet of each other all coincidentally have established pedophilic imagery on their logos, websites, and storefronts? Sorry, no. That is a statistical impossibility.
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[–]Crasch 28 points 7 hours ago*
That and a fuck ton of other pedo stuff.
Pedo symbolism.
Pedo terminology, all over the place.
Pedo art.
Pedo comments on pictures.
Pictures suggestive of Pedo.
Convicted Pedo friends.
Audio of people talking about Pedo at the place. A DJ discussing it for all to hear no less.
Spirit cooking, satanic rituals.
Helping people involved in Pedo. The Haiti connection.
Other countries accusing these people of Pedo. Russia, Haiti, and others.
Child trafficking links.
Abductions linked to the people involved. The Portugal connection.
Friends with the head of the FBI investigator in charge of Pedo.
Links to child welfare organizations.
Links to orphanages.
Multiple deaths of people investigating the Pedo.
MSM fake debunking articles, that don't provide any proof.
Multiple websites taken down with articles.
Reddit closing /r/pizzagate, while allowing real pedo subs.
Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, and Google suppressing the real story.
etc...

Dark_Horse_Rider
11-24-2016, 09:22 AM
Google Pizzagate, check the news, what do you see? Scroll down just a bit.
Nov 16, 2016... there is some pizza incident that happened in soccer. They are trying to hijack the term, so Europe will not see. 3 hits out of 11 are about the soccer scandal pizza gate. Daily Star and Evening Standard.

The British media is trying to hijack the term. So when you search pizzagate on the internet, it will be a soccer dust up. This started just a few days ago too.

Also note, the scandal happened in 2004. Yet suddenly the media is writing stories about it again.

Yep, same with Assange, even the $ 100,000 bit.

They gotten quite good at burying things on the internet also

osan
11-24-2016, 09:35 AM
No idea what to believe. What I DO believe in is "innocent until proven guilty".

Therefore, even a lowlife like Clinton is to be afforded due process, much as I might like to see her dancing from the end of a rope.

Consider the possibilities where reasonable doubt are concerned. Imagine, if you will, that the child prostitution/slavery ring deal is true. Naturally, the culprits do not wish to be caught, so they devise code-words. I can well imagine that the likes of Podesta, Clinton, et al are perhaps not the most imaginative. How about we get our codewords out of random sources, like the yellow pages. Close eyes, open book, plant finger and... Ping Pong Dildo Pizza... Perfect. And so on as needed.

Not saying it happened that way, but it is very believable. Maybe the owner of the joint was involved. Maybe not.

All that said, there are analytic methods available that could very likely reveal the truth. Some cryptographic techniques may double in semantic analysis in order to reveal otherwise latent message patterns. Put a couple of crackerjack NSA analysts on it along with a Cray and some good statistical models and I am almost willing to bet the truth would fall out the bottom in no time flat.

AngryCanadian
11-24-2016, 09:39 AM
The boy love symbol made it believable to me. Clearer the owners of that place tried to cover it up. With a different design but failed to do so as the symbol still is a dead give way. No matter how you put it.

It was clear to me that those perverts also have sick tastes for boys not just girls. I have a feeling this wont go away any time soon.

undergroundrr
11-24-2016, 11:20 AM
Crasch 28 points 7 hours ago*
That and a $#@! ton of other pedo stuff.
Pedo symbolism.
Pedo terminology, all over the place.
Pedo art.
Pedo comments on pictures.
Pictures suggestive of Pedo.
Convicted Pedo friends.
Audio of people talking about Pedo at the place. A DJ discussing it for all to hear no less.
Spirit cooking, satanic rituals.
Helping people involved in Pedo. The Haiti connection.
Other countries accusing these people of Pedo. Russia, Haiti, and others.
Child trafficking links.
Abductions linked to the people involved. The Portugal connection.
Friends with the head of the FBI investigator in charge of Pedo.
Links to child welfare organizations.
Links to orphanages.
Multiple deaths of people investigating the Pedo.
MSM fake debunking articles, that don't provide any proof.
Multiple websites taken down with articles.
Reddit closing /r/pizzagate, while allowing real pedo subs.
Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, and Google suppressing the real story.
etc...

I challenge somebody to go through these and really, really substantiate all of this. In my embarrassing amount of hours spent researching this, I just saw a bunch of stuff posted out of context, mostly totally unrelated to Comet Pizza, Podestas, Alefantis, etc.

A couple of the things on that list seemed suspicious to me, but at this point I've come up with more plausible explanations.

Pedophilia in government is happening, just like everywhere else in society - churches, workplaces, middle class white homes, etc. I just don't think this Pizzagate stuff is being well-substantiated. Making a big list of "suspicious" things actually diffuses the effectiveness of the argument. There only need to be one or two truly solid, incriminating pieces of evidence for this to be actionable. Until a crime is demonstrated, pretty much all the things pizzagaters are using as "evidence" are protected free speech, which should be defended to the death by any supposed Ron Paul supporter.

The Clinton/Epstein relationship is unquestionably real stuff. Go with it.

I haven't seen anybody question trump's relationship with Epstein, who trump evidently protected even while knowing Epstein had a taste for tender young things. I'd love to see somebody investigate trump's documented visits to "terrific guy" Epstein's hideout. Now why would somebody want for attention to be diverted from this? Would they use 4chan and reddit to do it? 3d chess.

Athan
11-25-2016, 10:28 AM
I picked "I don't know, I don't care, Too tired of conspiracies."

Because it's the only answer that said, "I don't know." I do care, and I am not too tired of conspiracies. I just don't know and frankly don't have the time to speculate.

When there is some solid evidence, I will pay attention. But for the most part, all I have seen is some loosely related info that sort of remind me of the schizophrenic ramblings of someone I know who suffers from this emotional disorder.

But I am certainly open to viewing evidence.

Interesting vid on the people trying to silence the investigation of it.
Such as the NYT

https://youtu.be/GL15ZkNgUI0

enhanced_deficit
11-25-2016, 12:15 PM
Not a fan of DGP and while he has been accused of heinous crimes against underage children... he has not been convicted of such crimes so far.


Related

Fundraiser charged with child sex abuse frequently met with Obama (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?463759-Fundraiser-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-frequently-met-with-Obama&)

AuH20
11-25-2016, 12:56 PM
These two Reddit comments really make an impression:


]Monsieur_Pounce 24 points 8 hours ago
Wish he'd have mentioned the pedo symbols on the other two businesses on that street. Because honestly thats what ultimately caused the whole pizzagate thing to pass the smell test for me.
It's at least conceivable, I guess, that two businesses next door to each other could accidentally incorporate pedo symbology into their logos and branding. Hey, stranger things have happened.
But three businesses? Astoundingly unlikely.
Four? Four businesses within 100 feet of each other all coincidentally have established pedophilic imagery on their logos, websites, and storefronts? Sorry, no. That is a statistical impossibility.
permalinkembed


[]Crasch 28 points 7 hours ago*
That and a $#@! ton of other pedo stuff.
Pedo symbolism.
Pedo terminology, all over the place.
Pedo art.
Pedo comments on pictures.
Pictures suggestive of Pedo.
Convicted Pedo friends.
Audio of people talking about Pedo at the place. A DJ discussing it for all to hear no less.
Spirit cooking, satanic rituals.
Helping people involved in Pedo. The Haiti connection.
Other countries accusing these people of Pedo. Russia, Haiti, and others.
Child trafficking links.
Abductions linked to the people involved. The Portugal connection.
Friends with the head of the FBI investigator in charge of Pedo.
Links to child welfare organizations.
Links to orphanages.
Multiple deaths of people investigating the Pedo.
MSM fake debunking articles, that don't provide any proof.
Multiple websites taken down with articles.
Reddit closing /r/pizzagate, while allowing real pedo subs.
Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, and Google suppressing the real story.
etc...

Podesta's obsession with the terms 'pasta' and 'pizza.' No one talks about food so frequently & obsessively like that. And he doesn't even mention the many variations of pasta or pizza. That's the other red flag. No reference to penne, rigatoni, etc. Just fixated on pasta and generic pizza.

Zippyjuan
11-25-2016, 01:04 PM
Podesta's obsession with the terms 'pasta' and 'pizza.' No one talks about food so frequently & obsessively like that. And he doesn't even mention the many variations of pasta or pizza. That's the other red flag. No reference to penne, rigatoni, etc. Just fixated on pasta and generic pizza.

How often does he talk about it- pizza? More than a teenager?

Zippyjuan
11-25-2016, 01:06 PM
Oh no! Ron Paul must be involved! "Ron Paul wants to eat me!" Code for gay sex!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpVCjxnihw

DGambler
11-25-2016, 02:38 PM
Oh no! Ron Paul must be involved! "Ron Paul wants to eat me!" Code for gay sex!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpVCjxnihw

So ZJ, do you completely dismiss the possibility of pizzagate?

How much of the evidence have you read, or are you just getting updates here?

When we're you aware of pizzagate and how did you become aware?

Do you believe the Franklin conspiracy?

Zippyjuan
11-26-2016, 01:23 PM
So ZJ, do you completely dismiss the possibility of pizzagate?

How much of the evidence have you read, or are you just getting updates here?

When we're you aware of pizzagate and how did you become aware?

Do you believe the Franklin conspiracy?

It is all based on very lose links anybody can use to connect anybody to anything. Somebody being creative and having fun on the internet. And people who want to believe it could be true.

Lucille
11-26-2016, 01:48 PM
Yes. I am becoming more sickened by the day.


"If I lose, we all go down and that fascist fuck will have us swinging from nooses! What the fuck is wrong with you idiots?"

Remember that? At the time, I thought she was just being a hyperbolic drama queen. Now I know she was dead serious.


It is all based on very lose links anybody can use to connect anybody to anything. Somebody being creative and having fun on the internet. And people who want to believe it could be true.

1) No, it's not.
2) "Fun and creative?" Normal people find it horrifying.
3) I don't know anyone who "wants" the accusations of child kidnapping, pedophilia, torture, and murder to be true, but I'm not a JTRIG troll (https://archive.fo/MOaOk) who's paid to spread such complete and utter bullshit.

lilymc
11-26-2016, 02:18 PM
Yes. I am becoming more sickened by the day.



1) No, it's not.
2) "Fun and creative?" Normal people find it horrifying.
3) I don't know anyone who "wants" the accusations of child kidnapping, pedophilia, torture, and murder to be true, but I'm not a JTRIG troll (https://archive.fo/MOaOk) who's paid to spread such complete and utter bull$#@!.

+ rep

enhanced_deficit
11-26-2016, 02:26 PM
Free Speech gives people right to discuss conspiracy theories but this is getting out of control:


Alt-Right PizzaGate Conspiracy Fuels Anti-Americanism in Turkey
Nov 23
http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/pizzagate-alt-right-turkey-trolls-child-abuse/



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OP--ZXOjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OP--ZXOjc



An Obama Meme About Pizza Reveals a Bigger Problem

From the reanimated investigation (http://www.attn.com/stories/12351/why-hillary-clintons-email-scandal-far-from-over) into Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's private e-mail server, to Wikileaks' release of internal emails from both the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, voters have been bombarded with internal communications that range from significant (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hacked-podesta-emails-reveal-clinton-goldman-sachs-transcripts/story?id=42831997) to totally mundane (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/hillary-emails-august.html).

But the leaks don't stop there. Wikileaks also routinely publish hacked emails from other government sources. And a leak from 2012 that recently resurfaced encapsulates everything wrong with an internet driven by misinformation, conspiracy theories, and baseless speculation.
The email is part of a May 2009 chain (https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/12/1223066_re-get-ready-for-chicago-hot-dog-friday-.html) from the defense intelligence contractor Stratfor. Though it has the inconspicuous title “RE: Get ready for "Chicago Hot Dog Friday," it’s actually a strange allegation against President Barack Obama

http://www.attn.com/stories/12481/obama-meme-about-pizza-reveals-much-bigger-problem

DGambler
11-26-2016, 03:14 PM
It is all based on very lose links anybody can use to connect anybody to anything. Somebody being creative and having fun on the internet. And people who want to believe it could be true.

You answered none of my questions, not a one.

Athan
11-27-2016, 01:21 AM
https://youtu.be/38FPi5-4g7A

Weston White
11-27-2016, 02:01 AM
Free Speech gives people right to discuss conspiracy theories but this is getting out of control:

attn.com/stories/12481/obama-meme-about-pizza-reveals-much-bigger-problem

So by this single email, all of the other emails are disproved by association? I don't think anybody has associated anything pedo-related by that Stratfor email, only that Obama is wasteful and selfish--how many months did he and his family vacation all around the globe at the taxpayers expense? ....However, I think that email had a reply that was a bit odd, something about the word waitresses being double quoted, as if it has some hidden meaning or was part of some inside joke.

...But we do know that Bush brought a gay prostitute into the White House on a regular basis and then gave him an official position, so really anything is probable here.

DGambler
11-27-2016, 02:35 PM
You answered none of my questions, not a one.

Still waiting zippy

Lucille
11-27-2016, 03:06 PM
Blasts from the past.

33636278100561920

174204445066928128

UWDude
11-27-2016, 03:38 PM
And then Breitbart died young of a heart attack.

Lucille
11-27-2016, 03:45 PM
Yep.

32808220523233282

Lucille
11-27-2016, 03:46 PM
802988667807539200

staerker
11-27-2016, 04:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4V50eWOgro


Blasts from the past.

33636278100561920

174204445066928128

Philhelm
11-27-2016, 05:43 PM
It is all based on very lose links anybody can use to connect anybody to anything. Somebody being creative and having fun on the internet. And people who want to believe it could be true.

People discovered some curious Podesta e-mails which caused people to dig further, leading to the discovery of James Alefantis and Comet Ping Pong. From there, Alefantis' Instagram photos of young children containing innuendo-laden comments were discovered, as well as the band Heavy Breathing, which also contains innuendo-laden material, and which is a "friend" of Comet Ping Pong according to Comet's own website. This doesn't mean that Hillary is diddling little kids, but it sure is fishy.

Athan
11-27-2016, 09:23 PM
https://youtu.be/OaHl7BL9zhU


https://youtu.be/T2aSK4fKIbU


https://youtu.be/UROJCpxpBM4

enhanced_deficit
11-27-2016, 09:41 PM
Tried to lookup in MSM news and these are being called "fake news", can't make what the real story is beyond innuendo and some weird paintings and photos being cited by various blogs.

BTW, are these photos real/undoctored...anyone knows for certain?

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRhIz3Ch0efCpR1kBbJ_bNvNlkWrhUwF uUcQq0_ElmbdLCXIgE_sg6 days ago

https://i.imgur.com/VmC91r1l.png

http://publisher.attn.com/sites/default/files/pizza1.png
https://65.media.tumblr.com/0c92bf4a7cdfc1f218929105f6b6e2ae/tumblr_inline_og3amoLTOP1t5zudu_500.png

https://matrixbob.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/pizzagate-111111111111111111.gif?w=1500

UWDude
11-27-2016, 09:46 PM
The Obama one to me is innocuous. So what, his hand is in a position. It proves nothing. The Haitian special one may be someone from the internet AFTER they found out about pizzagate, since it is the last comment.

Zippyjuan
11-28-2016, 01:44 PM
People discovered some curious Podesta e-mails which caused people to dig further, leading to the discovery of James Alefantis and Comet Ping Pong. From there, Alefantis' Instagram photos of young children containing innuendo-laden comments were discovered, as well as the band Heavy Breathing, which also contains innuendo-laden material, and which is a "friend" of Comet Ping Pong according to Comet's own website. This doesn't mean that Hillary is diddling little kids, but it sure is fishy.

The Instagram photos are supposedly pictures posted by people who "liked" the pizza joint - not by him. As for the band, Comet Pizza has all kinds of bands playing there regularly. There is zero solid evidence to anything. The "curious" emails? "Let's meet for pizza" is "curious"? That would make 90% of college students pedophiles.


In a statement, the District of Columbia Metropolitan Police Department said it was monitoring the situation and is “aware of general threats being made against this establishment.” The F.B.I. said it “does not confirm or deny the existence of investigations.”

Most troubling for Mr. Alefantis and staff has been the use of children’s images, pilfered from the restaurant’s social media pages and the personal accounts of friends who had “liked” Comet Ping Pong online. Those photos have been used across dozens of websites. Parents, who declined to talk publicly for fear of retribution, have hired lawyers to get the photos removed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/technology/fact-check-this-pizzeria-is-not-a-child-trafficking-site.html?mtrref=www.snopes.com&gwh=FF4AF68BF3D12C089F42924C27B3E935&gwt=pay

lilymc
11-28-2016, 02:40 PM
The Instagram photos are supposedly pictures posted by people who "liked" the pizza joint - not by him. As for the band, Comet Pizza has all kinds of bands playing there regularly. There is zero solid evidence to anything. The "curious" emails? "Let's meet for pizza" is "curious"? That would make 90% of college students pedophiles.

Are you claiming that other people uploaded pictures to his Instagram? We were talking about Alefantis' personal Instagram, not Comet Pizza's. What are you basing your claim on that other people posted pictures to his Instagram?

If it was just one or two things that are disturbing, then it would be another story. But it's not. It's a ton of things that when put all together, one would have to be completely blind to not see a problem. Pedo "art." Sexual innuendo about children. Pictures alluding to buying children. Pedo symbolism in logos. Being friends with known pedophiles. Satanic "art" and occult rituals. Numerous sexual references and pictures from a place that promotes itself a family friendly place "for all ages." Openly joking about a "killroom" and how murder is "fun."

And your portrayal of the emails is misleading. It's not about "Let's meet for pizza." More like numerous conversations that make no sense whatsoever unless its code.

And that's barely scraping the surface. It is a known fact that there are pedophile networks worldwide and that human trafficking is the second largest criminal industry in the world. It's also a known fact that certain well-known pedophiles have been protected by very powerful people. In light of that, the fact that you seem to see nothing wrong with all the things people have been uncovering is also disturbing. Either you are completely spiritually blind, or for some strange reason you are covering for those corrupt sickos in power.

DGambler
11-28-2016, 11:16 PM
The Instagram photos are supposedly pictures posted by people who "liked" the pizza joint - not by him. As for the band, Comet Pizza has all kinds of bands playing there regularly. There is zero solid evidence to anything. The "curious" emails? "Let's meet for pizza" is "curious"? That would make 90% of college students pedophiles.


So ZJ, do you completely dismiss the possibility of pizzagate?

How much of the evidence have you read, or are you just getting updates here?

When we're you aware of pizzagate and how did you become aware?

Have you actually READ the emails where they talk about pizza and pasta? If so, explain to me how they are normal in any way and cite the email and your explanation.

Do you believe the Franklin conspiracy?

Danke
11-28-2016, 11:22 PM
The Instagram photos are supposedly pictures posted by people who "liked" the pizza joint - not by him. As for the band, Comet Pizza has all kinds of bands playing there regularly. There is zero solid evidence to anything. The "curious" emails? "Let's meet for pizza" is "curious"? That would make 90% of college students pedophiles.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/technology/fact-check-this-pizzeria-is-not-a-child-trafficking-site.html?mtrref=www.snopes.com&gwh=FF4AF68BF3D12C089F42924C27B3E935&gwt=pay


Not only is Zippy a liberal Clinton supporter, he also defends pedos?

UWDude
11-28-2016, 11:31 PM
Being friends with known pedophiles.

Try CONVICTED pedophiles.


Not only is Zippy a liberal Clinton supporter, he also defends pedos?

Of course he does. All those concert fliers with pedo-laden imagery and made by pedo-artists are always advertised as "all ages".
He also still quotes Cecilia Kang of the New York Times, who is a sports and lifestyle writer, on the subject. A writer who has never done any investigative journalism, but who claims "none of it was true", authoritatively, as if she ever even looked into it.

He seems to think he still has credibility as he quotes fake news written by fake journalists.

Philhelm
11-29-2016, 01:49 AM
The Instagram photos are supposedly pictures posted by people who "liked" the pizza joint - not by him. As for the band, Comet Pizza has all kinds of bands playing there regularly. There is zero solid evidence to anything. The "curious" emails? "Let's meet for pizza" is "curious"? That would make 90% of college students pedophiles.

Dude. If you're going to debate the matter, at least debate the actual points that people here are bringing up.

To my knowledge, Alefantis had two softball interviews in which he had a chance to explain things, but he didn't. It's not normal for a grown man to post photos and/or comment on photos about so many young children that aren't his, and particularly not to make the kinds of comments he did. Why did he refer to one baby as a "hotard?" That's not normal behavior.

I'm sure that Comet Ping Pong has plenty of other bands that play there, but on the friends list from the website, Heavy Breathing appears to be the only band listed out of a list of seventeen "friends" of the restaurant, and is the very first "friend" listed. It's pretty clear that out of all the bands that may play there, Heavy Breathing is preeminent. As has already been stated in as many ways possible, Heavy Breathing ain't no Chuck E. Cheese band.

I'm sure Podesta has heard of pizzagate by now. Perhaps he can explain "Is it easier to play dominoes on cheese or on pasta," and tell us what a handkerchief with a map that is pizza-related is. He could easily put the whole damned thing to rest with a worthy explanation.

ThePaleoLibertarian
11-29-2016, 04:30 AM
I'm sorry, there's a lot of weird stuff surrounding the emails, the symbolism, and the art. I don't go in for conspiracy theories, but some of this is very incriminating, or at least extremely strange.

-There's no way to read some of those emails and come away with the idea that it's anything other than a code. A code for what? I don't know, but there're several emails where they're clearly not talking about actual pizza. It might not be pedophile related; it could be drugs or something else. But it ain't pizza.

-They did use a pedophile symbol as the logo for this pizza joint. No two ways about it. Maybe it was an honest mistake, but the logo for the restaurant makes the symbol look less like a slice of pizza, not more. Very strange.

-Tony Podesta's taste in art is extremely disturbing and I say that as someone with a penchant for dark artwork. One of my favorite artists is Francisco Goya, I have a strong stomach and it's difficult to freak me out with anything fictional. That said, I wouldn't hang one of those creepy pieces of art in my house, let alone several of them. That's to say nothing about the artwork being showcased at Comet's. What is this art depicting, if not the abuse of children? Now, I'm not saying that depicting such a thing can't be legitimate artistic expression, but when taken with everything else, it's rather unsettling.

-The Clinton connection to Epstein and the known fact of Weiner's degenerate perversion doesn't help matters.

-Pedophilia in the highest echelons of powers is not only not unheard of, it seems to be quite common. It's been proven that there were numerous pedophiles throughout the British government and that they were being protected by the very most powerful levels of the state. Wel all know about the child molestation scandals that has come out of the Catholic Church. Moreover, Corey Feldman has come out and said that pedophilia is rife in Hollywood among powerful producers, and as someone who lives and works in LA, let me tell you that doesn't surprise me at all. Britain. The Vatican. Hollywood. Why not Washington? Wouldn't it be more bizarre if there weren't pedophile networks within the DC power structures when they're in all these other places?

The satanic cult stuff has always struck me as silly and the Madeline McCann accusations take it too far, but there's a lot of smoke here. Maybe there is no fire, but if it really is all BS, then it's some of the most bizarre bad luck I've ever seen.

DGambler
11-29-2016, 06:10 AM
I'm still waiting on my answers Zippy, or are you guys still trying to come up with talking points on these? I'd imagine it's pretty tough.

Weston White
11-29-2016, 06:43 AM
Zippy what your Instagram link? I have a bunch of really nice photos I want to send to your account...

vita3
11-29-2016, 06:46 AM
Haven't followed this in much detail here, has Denny Hastert been mentioned, longest serving REPUBLICAN Speaker of the House? Hate to think we are fooling ourselves it's a "D" only issue & not both.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/07/report-four-have-accused-hastert-sexual-abuse.html

Weston White
11-29-2016, 06:52 AM
Have you actually READ the emails where they talk about pizza and pasta?

...And Hawaiian hot dog stands, "waitresses", walnuts, Haitian pizza recipes, pasta cheesy dominoes, pizza map handkerchiefs, hidden pillows in vacation rentals, spirit-cooking parties with lots of blood, semen and...

Now either these people are straight bat-shit crazy or there be fire behind all dat' smokiness!

John F Kennedy III
11-29-2016, 07:00 AM
The circumstantial evidence:

The police suspect sketches not only look remarkably similar to both Podesta brothers, but uncannily identical to both of them.

http://victuruslibertas.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Tony-Podesta-mole.jpg

And now its reported there is evidence placing both Podesta brothers not only in Portugal on May 3, 2007, the date when Madeleine McCann was abducted, but in Praia da Luz - the very village where Madeleine was abducted. What are the chances these two brothers that are both virtual photographic images of the suspect sketches happen to both be in Portugal in the very same village at the time of the Madeleine abduction?

The report relates the Podestas were staying at one of friend Clement Freud's vacation mansions:
http://tapnewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/house-Podestas-stayed-in-1.jpg

The vacation mansion is located less than half a mile from the location the McCann's were staying:
http://tapnewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/map-location-of-home-1.jpg

On top of that you have all the weird pizza, cheese code talk in the known John Podesta's emails, and mysterious handkerchief with the "pizza related" map, combined with his connection to known pedophile, and pizza shop with pedophile symbols, and the weird suggestive artwork owned by John Podesta and his associates, and the connection to the weird spirit cooking with blood and other bodily fluids.

And now a recent photo has surfaced of John Podesta at a private gathering with an unidentified young girl that has a remarkable resemblance to an older version of the missing Madeleine:
http://tapnewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Podesta-large-pick-with-M-1.jpg

Is there enough to make one say hmmmm?

http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2016/11/the-podesta-brothers-revealed-to-be-in-portugal-the-day-of-madeleine-mccanns-disappearance-2615795.html
http://investmentwatchblog.com/fbi-insider-clinton-staff-linked-to-madeleine-mccann-disappearance/

Fuck.

John F Kennedy III
11-29-2016, 07:03 AM
Did you know Tony Podesta has teenager nudes hanging in his house? A Comet "friend" has "artwork" of a young boy sticking a dildo near his mouth. You cannot tell me that art exists in a vacuum. It reveals and spills over into reality. Your defense of compartmentalizing stylized rape proves this point- the next sexual front is pedophilia, and we are being desensitized to it.

But yes, the art is just the damning smoke. There are plenty other leads.

AJ called this 5 years ago.

John F Kennedy III
11-29-2016, 07:07 AM
The sketches are of the same suspect (by two different artists), not two different suspects. Which one do they both most look like? You pick.

Bullshit.

Weston White
11-29-2016, 07:36 AM
-The Clinton connection to Epstein and the known fact of Weiner's degenerate perversion doesn't help matters.

And as to Epstein this was an FBI involved incident, him and several key players around him were let off with a dream plea bargain. This indicates a cover-up and collusion involving multiple governmental agencies across many state lines.

...Also interesting is that one of Epstien's ex-female groomers is now self-employed, running her business from his one of his buildings (and he claims to be entirely oblivious to this "coincidence"), a NASCAR drivers girlfriend.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/07/jeffrey-epstein-former-accomplices-property-prince-andrew

...Also remember the Subway guy, how open he was about bragging to people he was working with, which is what finally got him caught, he crossed the line with a female staffer/contractor that got fed up with him.

Athan
11-29-2016, 08:34 AM
Not only is Zippy a liberal Clinton supporter, he also defends pedos?

Lol I'm going to have to start calling him ZippyJuan Podesta

undergroundrr
11-29-2016, 09:30 AM
Bull$#@!.

Right back at ya.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-24513267

The man featured in two e-fits released by UK police investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance was seen carrying a child towards the beach.
Police say a family saw the man with a blond-haired child of three or four, possibly wearing pyjamas, heading away from the McCanns' holiday apartment.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10379047/Madeleine-McCann-two-callers-name-man-in-e-fit-pictures.html

A family from Ireland got such a good look at the man that they were able to produce two e-fit images.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/27/madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry-mi5_n_4167645.html

E-fits of a man seen at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance shown on a special edition of Crimewatch last week and presented as new evidence are in fact from the 2008 report.

etc etc etc (Google "Madeleine McCann E-fit")

There are those who have investigated the claims of the pizzagaters and there are those who blindly accept everything they read on 4chan.

undergroundrr
11-29-2016, 10:05 AM
-The Clinton and trump
connection to Epstein

Nobody's going after pedophiles while trump is in office.

vita3
11-29-2016, 10:57 AM
How about ex Fl Congressman Republican Pedo, Mark Foley, we talking about him?

Trump supporter: http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/donald-trump-has-alleged-child-molester-mark-foley-sitting-behind-him-at-latest-rally/25609/

Weston White
11-29-2016, 11:54 AM
Right back at ya.

In any case:

1. The incident took place in darkness of night.

2. Gerry McCann was initially a suspect.

3. It does not take two full grown men top carry a little girl, e.g., the other brother could have been waiting in the vehicle, or the father could have dropped the child off to the Podesta brothers who were waiting in a vehicle.

4. The Podesta brothers were in-fact the area at the time, yes?

5. The e-fits were kept secret for 5-years. Why?

6. A porn star was cast in the Crimewatch recreation. Hmmm, yea that is so totally appropriate, considering.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478087/Why-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-E-fits-kept-secret-5-years.html


Fun fact: 'Podesta' means power; in medieval Italian communes, A Podesta is the highest judicial and military magistrate.

undergroundrr
11-29-2016, 12:02 PM
In any case:
4. The Podesta brothers were in-fact the area at the time, yes?


Is that established?

All of the claims the Podestas were there are derived from this statement on this website:

One of our FBI insiders can confirmed the Intelligence community indicates John and Tony Podesta were in Praia da Luz, Portugal on May 3rd 2007– the day Madaline McCann vanished. (http://victuruslibertas.com/2016/11/do-john-and-tony-podesta-have-a-connection-with-missing-child-madeleine-mccann/)

You have to throw all your eggs into that basket to accept it.

The Podesta/McCann connection was by far the most interesting thing to me about pizzagate until it started falling apart on closer inspection.

Jamesiv1
11-29-2016, 01:01 PM
Lol I'm going to have to start calling him ZippyJuan Podesta
Zippygate

Jamesiv1
11-29-2016, 01:05 PM
AJ called this 5 years ago.
I predicted this back in 1997

John F Kennedy III
11-29-2016, 02:57 PM
Right back at ya.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-24513267


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10379047/Madeleine-McCann-two-callers-name-man-in-e-fit-pictures.html


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/27/madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry-mi5_n_4167645.html


etc etc etc (Google "Madeleine McCann E-fit")

There are those who have investigated the claims of the pizzagaters and there are those who blindly accept everything they read on 4chan.

They got such a good look that they gave such wildly different descriptions that two completely different pictures were drawn?

undergroundrr
11-29-2016, 03:00 PM
They got such a good look that they gave such wildly different descriptions that two completely different pictures were drawn?

Other than overall face shape, they're very similar.

John F Kennedy III
11-29-2016, 03:05 PM
Other than overall face shape, they're very similar.

Well, yeah, they're brothers.

Zippyjuan
11-29-2016, 09:19 PM
Well, yeah, they're brothers.

I think he means the sketches.

Weston White
11-30-2016, 02:03 AM
I think he means the sketches.

In either case their facial features are somewhat similar. However, the two sketches, individually appear to match up to only one of the brothers, but subjectively each could match up to the more heaver set brother, but not so much to John, which the one sketch is a dead ringer, while the other sketch of the more filled out cheeks also seems to include that unique mark on the forehead. But hair, eyes, skin tone, and lips are otherwise very similar.

The suspect is still outstanding, there seems to be evidence showing these two were in the locality at the time, evidence seems to suggest that these two are into pedo-occult cultures and possibly heavy narcotics, these two, the father has been ruled out as a suspect (who was also considered a possible match to the drawing), especially John are an identical match to the images; therefore, it is grossly negligent to not question the two brothers on the matter and furthermore the parents as to any connections they may have to the Podesta brothers--who are clearly politically affluent and have heavy pull with the MSM.

swissaustrian
11-30-2016, 07:30 AM
I'm a natural sceptic, so here is my take:
1. Is there a pizza code in the Podesta emails that refers to something that is not food related - yes, self-evident
2. Is this code known for pedophilia - yes, see FBI manuals
3. Could this code be used for other shady stuff that might not be sexual abuse related, eg political power brokering - yes
4. Are the people involved in pizzagate (Podestas, pizza restaurant etc.) into weird satanic art with pedo and ritualistic connotations - yes
5. Is there a lot of circumstantial evidence (social media posts, symbolism, artwork etc.) that points to pedophilia - yes
6. Is pedophilia prevalent in politics - yes, because it is a blackmail tool and these scumbags are protected by the power structure
7. Is there hard evidence beyond a doubt that the people currently under internet grassroots investigation are pedos or associated with pedos? - no, at least not public evidence (who knows what is in the Weiner emails...)
8. Is there enough circumstantial evidence for law enforcement to start an investigation, incl. obtaining search warrants for electronic devices and locations like the pizza restaurant - yes, probably depends on the judge
9. Is law enforecement capable to conduct an investigation without interference from higher-ups - I doubt it.

FunkBuddha
11-30-2016, 08:16 AM
I'm a natural sceptic, so here is my take:
1. Is there a pizza code in the Podesta emails that refers to something that is not food related - yes, self-evident
2. Is this code known for pedophilia - yes, see FBI manuals
3. Could this code be used for other shady stuff that might not be sexual abuse related, eg political power brokering - yes
4. Are the people involved in pizzagate (Podestas, pizza restaurant etc.) into weird satanic art with pedo and ritualistic connotations - yes
5. Is there a lot of circumstantial evidence (social media posts, symbolism, artwork etc.) that points to pedophilia - yes
6. Is pedophilia prevalent in politics - yes, because it is a blackmail tool and these scumbags are protected by the power structure
7. Is there hard evidence beyond a doubt that the people currently under internet grassroots investigation are pedos or associated with pedos? - no, at least not public evidence (who knows what is in the Weiner emails...)
8. Is there enough circumstantial evidence for law enforcement to start an investigation, incl. obtaining search warrants for electronic devices and locations like the pizza restaurant - yes, probably depends on the judge
9. Is law enforecement capable to conduct an investigation without interference from higher-ups - I doubt it.

10. Is John Podesta close friends with a convicted pedo named Dennis Hastert? - yes

swissaustrian
11-30-2016, 08:56 AM
10. Is John Podesta close friends with a convicted pedo named Dennis Hastert? - yes
Is he or was he before Hastert was exposed?

undergroundrr
11-30-2016, 09:28 AM
I'm a natural sceptic, so here is my take:
1. Is there a pizza code in the Podesta emails that refers to something that is not food related - yes, self-evident
2. Is this code known for pedophilia - yes, see FBI manuals


The FBI manuals say nothing about the code words, only symbols. The code words were devised entirely by an imaginitive person seeking to find a pattern of suspicion in the emails.

FunkBuddha
11-30-2016, 10:40 AM
Is he or was he before Hastert was exposed?

it was Tony Podesta, sorry. He was and is still in contact with him.

http://yournewswire.com/wikileaks-podesta-support-pedophile/

Ant then there was this weird statement from John once he was busted for paying the blackmail.

"Might be time for Denny to vanish to an undisclosed Japanese island."

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11508

Sounds like a weird thing to say doesn't it? You would expect someone to say something like "Oh my, I never knew Denny was into so much weird shit!"

Influenza
11-30-2016, 10:56 AM
The FBI manuals say nothing about the code words, only symbols. The code words were devised entirely by an imaginitive person seeking to find a pattern of suspicion in the emails.

So what the hell are they talking about in this email?

> The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems> pizza-related. Is it yorus? They can send it if you want. I know you’re> busy, so feel free not to respond if it’s not yours or you don’t want it.


cuz it sure as hell isn't about pizza or maps

vita3
11-30-2016, 11:04 AM
Goldmansachs gate?

undergroundrr
11-30-2016, 11:32 AM
So what the hell are they talking about in this email?


cuz it sure as hell isn't about pizza or maps

I know. I've read that email many times. No idea what they're talking about. Why would it be pedophelia? Could be drugs. Could be something completely innocuous. It could make total sense in some non-criminal context. There's absolutely no way to tell. If we took all of your personal and business emails and went through them, there would be equally nonsensical stuff to an outside observer.

The guide to pedo pizza terminology that's been floating around is the figment of somebody's twisted imagination. Has anybody even seen an attribution as to who originally tweeted it?

vita3
11-30-2016, 11:34 AM
Sorosgate?

Treasurysecreatrygate?

Athan
12-01-2016, 10:32 AM
https://youtu.be/BYw4o1MjMQo

FunkBuddha
12-01-2016, 11:01 AM
https://youtu.be/BYw4o1MjMQo

Do you have a source for this claim.

Athan
12-01-2016, 12:10 PM
Do you have a source for this claim.

Was wondering it myself. Inquire with Infowars or maybe the comments.

Danke
12-01-2016, 01:02 PM
https://youtu.be/BYw4o1MjMQo

Was this taken down?

fatjohn
12-01-2016, 01:20 PM
What was the claim?

undergroundrr
12-01-2016, 01:40 PM
Okay, let's follow this. Comment from the youtube page:


More detailed Info on where document was hacked from! It looks very legit....plus this guy was following him......http://www.conspiracyoutpost.com/topic/17785-pizza-menu-hacker-sye-phan-twitter-offline/
On 11/25/2016:
"The hacker Sye phan has been taken offline! He exposed the "pizza
menu" last night and promised to release a list of 100+ member names. He
tweeted today that he would be doing it under a new account and that
"we'd know". He said they were tryin to geolocate him. Maybe he took it
offline himself? But I doubt it. His name has been removed from my
"following" list. So keep a heads up and post here if you discover any
new account he might be under now. Here are image links to the menu and his twitter page."
https://mobile.twitter.com/phan_sye/status/801648185647255553
https://imgur.com/gallery/nUfBy

More from https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1437833


stumpedatonce 3 points (+3|-0) 5 days ago
I kept challenging him to shit or get off the pot. He eventually started whining at me and told me I'd be responsible for him killing his investigation. It was all too scripted. He kept dangling carrots about releasing the 100+ usernames until he signed off early in the morning. As soon as he logged back on Friday, he started his BS dangling again and I called him a drama queen. He said something about something being a week behind (notice dates on captures he released) and that he was decrypting off line. Within a short while he disappeared. What would the chances of such a hopeful buildup of expectations only to have our victory snapped away at the last minute? Too scripted.

My concern is the VOAT thread which said that these captures were old and had shown up before. Did he edit comet's name into them? While they could have been a login for accounting or some other admin function, where those captures from comet or not?

permalink parent

No substantiation. Hit and run post. As far as anyone can tell, another fabricated figment of somebody's imagination. Those who desperately want it to be authentic will of course have another opinion.

Son_of_Liberty90
12-01-2016, 02:31 PM
the videos from 2007 on youtube of people playing ping pong outside with the sound of children screaming...



Wait...what??:confused:

jonhowe
12-01-2016, 02:35 PM
Wait...what??:confused:

Sorry, it's somewhere in this thread I think. It was someone filming the front entrance where people were playing ping pong outside. He apparently had a zoning kind of issue with them? Another video showed the Comet staff (owner? Sorry, I'm posting this in a rush)filming themselves going to the guy's apartment and harassing him.

I'm in the midst of prepping for law school finals right now, but I plan to delve deeper into all this once those are over.

oyarde
12-01-2016, 02:36 PM
Poll says 3 percent say no.

undergroundrr
12-01-2016, 02:52 PM
I guess my vote would be a mix of options 2 & 3 - Half truth, some persons mentioned might be pedophiles. Unconvincing, poorly backed evidence in a sea of fantasizing and disinformation. Higher up people are complicit in rape, murder of children, just not necessarily these people in this pizza parlor.

Son_of_Liberty90
12-01-2016, 02:55 PM
Sorry, it's somewhere in this thread I think. It was someone filming the front entrance where people were playing ping pong outside. He apparently had a zoning kind of issue with them? Another video showed the Comet staff (owner? Sorry, I'm posting this in a rush)filming themselves going to the guy's apartment and harassing him.

I'm in the midst of prepping for law school finals right now, but I plan to delve deeper into all this once those are over.
Thanks for clarifying. I've been to Comet and the ping pong area in the back is pretty eerie when there's no one there. I always had a weird vibe about the place that's all I'll say about that.

Also what are you doing you need to hit the books! Good luck!

jonhowe
12-01-2016, 03:03 PM
Thanks for clarifying. I've been to Comet and the ping pong area in the back is pretty eerie when there's no one there. I always had a weird vibe about the place that's all I'll say about that.

Also what are you doing you need to hit the books! Good luck!

Oh, and it's in the OTHER thread, not this one. Didn't realize this was the poll thread.

Son_of_Liberty90
12-01-2016, 03:14 PM
Fvckers.

yep, reddit shows its true colors. They've effectively engaged in full censorship. Doubleplus bad.

lilymc
12-01-2016, 03:21 PM
Wait...what??:confused:

Here's the video, I'm pretty sure it's the original. I honestly don't know what to think about this. Skeptics might say that someone is trolling.... but it was uploaded in 2007. TBH I'm not sure if it's possible to add a different audio track later yet still keep the original upload date. I have a youtube channel, and when I've tried editing a video through the youtube editor, it created a new video. But I don't know.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHXBrEXmowo

Son_of_Liberty90
12-01-2016, 03:30 PM
Here's the video, I'm pretty sure it's the original. I honestly don't know what to think about this. Skeptics might say that someone is trolling.... but it was uploaded in 2007. TBH I'm not sure if it's possible to add a different audio track later yet still keep the original upload date. I have a youtube channel, and when I've tried editing a video through the youtube editor, it created a new video. But I don't know.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHXBrEXmowo

Thanks, I'm unable to play audio now but will try later.

undergroundrr
12-01-2016, 04:26 PM
Here's the video, I'm pretty sure it's the original. I honestly don't know what to think about this. Skeptics might say that someone is trolling.... but it was uploaded in 2007. TBH I'm not sure if it's possible to add a different audio track later yet still keep the original upload date. I have a youtube channel, and when I've tried editing a video through the youtube editor, it created a new video. But I don't know.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHXBrEXmowo

Look closely at 0:37. Between the passing of two dark cars (the second a convertible), there's clearly a kid being dragged along by the passerby male adult. The kid is waving his arm around in an unruly fashion. He looks just about the size and age to produce a voice like the one we're hearing. Naw, couldn't be.

Okay, if for some reason you don't think it's that kid (!?!?!?)

A. The recording is mono, so there's no way to localize the sound of the kid.
B. At 1:00, one of the ping pong players gives a "Heyyy" at the top of his lungs. He's about the same volume as the kid, more echo-y and more indistinct like you'd expect from lower frequencies.
C. You can't hear the sound of the ping pong ball at all.

I'm going to presume it's a boy just because the voice strikes me that way. From the sound of the kid, his parents are also apparently in close proximity or were a short time previously (he seems to be yelling "Dad" and "Mommy". This indicates that the kid is probably moderate distance away, maybe closer than Comet Pizza. If he is in Comet, he's right at the front door or at an open window. Those don't seem like prudent places to carry out the kind of thing the pizzagaters have dreamed up.

But that's only if you don't think it's the clearly visible kid who's doing the yelling.

lilymc
12-01-2016, 05:50 PM
Look closely at 0:37. Between the passing of two dark cars (the second a convertible), there's clearly a kid being dragged along by the passerby male adult. The kid is waving his arm around in an unruly fashion. He looks just about the size and age to produce a voice like the one we're hearing. Naw, couldn't be.

Okay, if for some reason you don't think it's that kid (!?!?!?)

A. The recording is mono, so there's no way to localize the sound of the kid.
B. At 1:00, one of the ping pong players gives a "Heyyy" at the top of his lungs. He's about the same volume as the kid, more echo-y and more indistinct like you'd expect from lower frequencies.
C. You can't hear the sound of the ping pong ball at all.

I'm going to presume it's a boy just because the voice strikes me that way. From the sound of the kid, his parents are also apparently in close proximity or were a short time previously (he seems to be yelling "Dad" and "Mommy". This indicates that the kid is probably moderate distance away, maybe closer than Comet Pizza. If he is in Comet, he's right at the front door or at an open window. Those don't seem like prudent places to carry out the kind of thing the pizzagaters have dreamed up.

But that's only if you don't think it's the clearly visible kid who's doing the yelling.

That point was brought up in the comments section of the video, and addressed. I'm not buying it. 1) The body language of that kid does not match the voice at all. 2) The yelling can be heard long before the kid and parents walk by, and also almost 30 seconds after. So it seems to be coming from Comet. 3) There are other strange things about the video. The guy who uploaded it, Frank Winstead, made some serious allegations against Alefantis, including accusing him of encouraging rape and murder. He did that 9 years before pizzagate. Why would he make accusations like that? At the time, people called him crazy. Now his accusations are being looked at in a different light.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that I believe this video is genuine or proves something. I'm just saying I don't buy your take on it.

undergroundrr
12-01-2016, 06:33 PM
I'm not saying that I believe this video is genuine or proves something.

That's way more consideration than is the norm for discussions about this. Thanks.

As for me, who knows what's going on with that kid? The mono mic on the camera is not directional. The passersby are walking slowly enough that a cardioid mic would pick a high-pitched kids voice up for quite a distance to either side without much attenuation. In fact, it could be louder at the side than center which it's not in this case. Unfortunately, it's mono. Stereo would clinch it one way or another.

Is the kid autistic, or hyper after an ice cream cone? (that's not code BTW) You get an onscreen total of probably less than a second where the kid is actually visible. How can one even say anything about body language?

Here's an interview with one of the two ping pong players -
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/news/city-desk/blog/13055255/ping-pong-player-speaks-out

And here's the account of Winstead vs. Alefantis -
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/rawfisher/2008/06/dc_official_outdoor_seats_at_p.html

The "murders and rapes" comments referred to how Winstead didn't want his neighborhood to turn into Adams Morgan (which he alludes to directly), a seedy nightlife spot in DC. Here's an article about crime in Adams Morgan from shortly before Winstead's outrage about late night street partying by college students - http://dc.urbanturf.com/articles/news_trends/is_adams_morgan_more_dangerous_than_anacostia/

If Winstead heard the screams of an unknown child coming out of Comet, wouldn't he have brought that up at some point? He had no problem during a loss of composure calling Alefantis a liar and a profiteer. Why would he hold back about nastier stuff?

Most ironically, the whole battle was about stupid zoning bullcrap. Any self-respecting RPF member should be imploring that Alefantis should be able to open his business any time he wants and do anything he wants on his property (with the usual NAP exceptions).

undergroundrr
12-01-2016, 06:41 PM
2) The yelling can be heard long before the kid and parents walk by, and also almost 30 seconds after. So it seems to be coming from Comet.

See my comment above about the cardioid mic. Also, why wouldn't it be down the sidewalk from the mic, in a building behind the mic, or in a parked car with the windows down. It's clearly a warm night in a busy pedestrian area. I'm not saying it's not coming from Comet, but I challenge the assumption that "It seems to be coming from Comet." All of these are WAY more likely explanations than that somebody left a window or the front door open at Comet while raping a kid near the front of the establishment. The kid is as loud or louder than the "Heyyy" boisterously hollered by the ping pong player.

But the kid walking by in front of the ping pong game waving his arm while his Dad drags him along half-unwillingly is the most obvious explanation of all.

UWDude
12-01-2016, 07:35 PM
this video is nothing, it could just be an unruly kid who is refusing to leave or something.

Son_of_Liberty90
12-02-2016, 01:19 AM
See my comment above about the cardioid mic. Also, why wouldn't it be down the sidewalk from the mic, in a building behind the mic, or in a parked car with the windows down. It's clearly a warm night in a busy pedestrian area. I'm not saying it's not coming from Comet, but I challenge the assumption that "It seems to be coming from Comet." All of these are WAY more likely explanations than that somebody left a window or the front door open at Comet while raping a kid near the front of the establishment. The kid is as loud or louder than the "Heyyy" boisterously hollered by the ping pong player.

But the kid walking by in front of the ping pong game waving his arm while his Dad drags him along half-unwillingly is the most obvious explanation of all.

Check this out underground. The title is a misnomer (not directly related to pizzagate) it sounds like its from a case in the UK but all of the telltale signs are there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLgNm_ay4Sk

Son_of_Liberty90
12-02-2016, 01:23 AM
https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/12/1223066_re-get-ready-for-chicago-hot-dog-friday-.html


I think Obama spent about $65,000 of the tax-payers money flying in
pizza/dogs from Chicago for a private party at the White House not long
ago, assume we are using the same channels?

Occam's Banana
12-02-2016, 03:08 AM
Do you believe in the pizzagate scandal?

I am not able to vote in the poll, as there is no swordfish option ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlVNW-s7bvM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlVNW-s7bvM

AZJoe
12-02-2016, 05:21 AM
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AZJoe
12-23-2016, 07:37 AM
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DisneyFan
12-28-2016, 02:51 PM
Which one do I choose if I think that there are members of the elite who are involved in pedo rings, but that pizzagate itself is a bunch of shit?

enhanced_deficit
12-29-2016, 12:14 PM
Probably unrelated news:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?505804-FaceBook-BigWig-Arrested-for-Trying-to-Buy-Underage-Pizza&

dannno
12-29-2016, 12:45 PM
Which one do I choose if I think that there are members of the elite who are involved in pedo rings, but that pizzagate itself is a bunch of shit?

The watches too much mainstream media option.

enhanced_deficit
01-12-2017, 01:31 PM
Since Obama is a public servant, are there any checks and balances how much money he can spend on pizza and hotdogs for his parties? What if he had spent $650K instead of $65K on pizza... who is supposed to approve spending for his parties?