How good is the Mike Flynn Appointment?

[AuH20]

So effective that Jennifer Rubin has almost passed out.

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[AngryCanadian]

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[specsaregood]

So effective that Jennifer Rubin has almost passed out.

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but if this is 9d chess...

[AuH20]

but if this is 9d chess...

Great choice.

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/07/10/general-michael-flynn/


As Ron Paul put it, “Flynn is no non-interventionist. But he does make the connection between the US invasion of Iraq and the creation of ISIS and other terrorist organizations, and he at least urges us to consider why they seek to attack us.”

[alucard13mm]

Seems his picks are not as bad as what we or the media portrays it to be. The cabinet is neutral.

[AuH20]

http://observer.com/2016/11/the-mike-flynn-i-know/


We talked about the progress of this culture change constantly as I was working in various lower level teams in the Agency and he knew I would be straight with him. We often ran into each other walking into the headquarters in the dark early mornings before most arrived at work. He parked near the front door in his old beater of a car. We would continue our conversations throughout the day and he was always reassessing his strategy.

He listened to bad news—that’s what I unfortunately often had to alert him to. He never said keep your bad news to yourself; instead he said keep it coming and send up the solutions from your people too. He saw every problem as a chance to improve the organization with a great solution. He believed in innovation and he wanted it to come from the bottom where the experts resided.

Most Americans would like to see a boss walk in to the workplace and explain those new ground rules. But DC is not full of most Americans. Unfortunately he was undermined all along the way by a few powerful bureaucrats. I witnessed lots of lazy and backstabbing behavior by people making a lot more money than I did. I fought to remove those scumbags from the organization. I and other leaders tried to keep the motivated millennials in the DIA because every day they had to deal with some other piss-poor leader that was undercutting the Marshall-like ideas that Mike Flynn was trying to implement. Unfortunately our nation lost a lot of great young national security experts because we couldn’t convince them to stay in the government until the idiots retired.

Ironically the end-result of Flynn’s two years of effort was that the next DIA director kept the changes he started in place and the CIA adopted them too.

So bottom line Mike Flynn is a man that listens, reflects, learns, and speaks truth to power. He isn’t perfect and I don’t always agree with him—but we aren’t hiring a saint are we?

If that isn’t who you want around our president; and you would rather surround him with polished and politically-motivated campaign experts instead of national security experts I think we can agree to disagree. I want America to make the next generation of “Marshall Men and Women.”

[UWDude]

5/10

Not impressed, but still, looks like the Syrian Civil war will be over soon.
And I care more for the suffering of Syrians than I do for the suffering of Americans.
Because American suffering is economic at best. Syrian suffering is deadly.

[dannno]

Seems his picks are not as bad as what we or the media portrays it to be. The cabinet is neutral.

Ya, Ron Paul sees Flynn as somewhat acceptable, I see Bannon as a great choice, Priebus is out there making hotel reservations for everybody.. Sessions is highly questionable.. is anyone else actually official yet?

[AuH20]

Ya, Ron Paul sees Flynn as somewhat acceptable, I see Bannon as a great choice, Priebus is out there making hotel reservations for everybody.. Sessions is highly questionable.. is anyone else actually official yet?

Waiting on Webb for SoD and Rohrabacher for SoS.

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[TheCount]

More defining as 'good' anything that is contrarian.

[AuH20]

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[phill4paul]

Ya, Ron Paul sees Flynn as somewhat acceptable, I see Bannon as a great choice, Priebus is out there making hotel reservations for everybody.. Sessions is highly questionable.. is anyone else actually official yet?

Sessions isn't "questionable." He's a drug warrior. End of lesson.

[dannno]

Sessions isn't "questionable." He's a drug warrior. End of lesson.

Ya but he may be impotent on the drug war issue, at least on cannabis.

I'm not certain, but it's possible the Trump admin could be better than the Obama admin on cannabis.

[phill4paul]

Ya but he may be impotent on the drug war issue, at least on cannabis.

I'm not certain, but it's possible the Trump admin could be better than the Obama admin on cannabis.

Not with Sessions as the AG. I believe this so much that I will eat crow if this is not so, if you are willing to do the same if my beliefs hold true.

[dannno]

Not with Sessions as the AG. I believe this so much that I will eat crow if this is not so, if you are willing to do the same if my beliefs hold true.

I don't have to eat crow, I've never been certain that Trump is going to or is not going to do anything. He says a lot of good things, he says some bad things, the establishment seems to be totally opposed to him and on the whole he seems like he might do some good things in the foreign and domestic policy departments.

He could turn out to be Hitler.. I think the chances of that happening are infinitesimally small. I think the chances of him doing good things, if the establishment doesn't push back too hard, are pretty good.

I think him being in office is a far better option than Hillary. I think there is a pretty good chance he won't allow his AG to go after cannabis in states where it is legal.

[AuH20]

No wonder he was dismissed. The CIA went bonkers when Flynn wanted to expand the DIA onto their 'turf.'


In 2012, Flynn proposed overhauling the agency so it would maintain a network of covert operatives to expand its network of overseas spies, according to a long article I co-wrote in Foreign Policy about the fight. The move infuriated the CIA, which worked hard to stop the creation of what could have ultimately come to rival its larger and better-known cadre of covert operatives. The agency, backed by a network of former CIA personnel in senior jobs at the Pentagon and elsewhere in the national security bureaucracy, succeeded in killing the idea.

Trump is going into uncharted waters with this appointment.

[CPUd]

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[phill4paul]

I don't have to eat crow, I've never been certain that Trump is going to or is not going to do anything. He says a lot of good things, he says some bad things, the establishment seems to be totally opposed to him and on the whole he seems like he might do some good things in the foreign and domestic policy departments.

He could turn out to be Hitler.. I think the chances of that happening are infinitesimally small. I think the chances of him doing good things, if the establishment doesn't push back too hard, are pretty good.

I think him being in office is a far better option than Hillary. I think there is a pretty good chance he won't allow his AG to go after cannabis in states where it is legal.

Fair enough, I'll put you down as a cautionary optimistic then. Whereas I am indefatigably pessimistic.

“You have to have leadership from Washington. You can’t have the President of the United States of America talking about marijuana … you are sending a message to young people that there is no danger in this process. It is false that marijuana use doesn’t lead people to more drug use. It is already causing a disturbance in the States that have made it legal.” - Sen. Jeff Sessions.

http://www.marijuana.com/blog/news/2016/03/alabama-sen-calls-marijuana-legalization-disturbance/

[AuH20]

The media is melting down.

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[presence]

Fear of Muslims is RATIONAL -Mike Flynn

https://twitter.com/genflynn/status/703387702998278144

[Brian4Liberty]

Wolf Blitzer and friends at #MiniTru are trying their best to smear him. Guess that's a sign he is not the worse choice.

[phill4paul]

Fear of Muslims is RATIONAL -Mike Flynn

https://twitter.com/genflynn/status/703387702998278144

The words "reasonable" and "rational" are being bandied about often these days.

[phill4paul]

Wolf Blitzer and friends at #MiniTru are trying their best to smear him. Guess that's a sign he is not the worse choice.

Obviously. Anything that Blitzer is against is good. That's a very reasonable and rational argument.

[AuH20]

Fear of Muslims is RATIONAL -Mike Flynn

https://twitter.com/genflynn/status/703387702998278144

I would agree with that statement as well. A 6th century religious mentality tends to manifest itself in violence. Now the West has certainly groomed and nurtured this 6th century mentality over the last 3 decades. Just look at the CIA training base in Jordan that's providing them with modern military knowledge.

[presence]

General Flynn (https://twitter.com/GenFlynn)
Believe in #AmericanExceptionalism (https://twitter.com/hashtag/AmericanExceptionalism?src=hash) -- it's for real.

the battle cry of the regime change neocon

[AuH20]

Wolf Blitzer and friends at #MiniTru are trying their best to smear him. Guess that's a sign he is not the worse choice.

They aren't happy at all.

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[misterx]

I'm good with Flynn. The only one that really bothers me so far is Pompeo. Even Prieubus is an improvement.

[Brian4Liberty]

Obviously. Anything that Blitzer is against is good. That's a very reasonable and rational argument.

Don't knock it as a rough litmus test.

Funny thing is, Wolf had a guest on (Keith Ellison) that started out with a reasonable and logical criticism, but Wolf poo-pooed that and wanted to get into irrational smears instead.

[Brian4Liberty]

Fear of Muslims is RATIONAL -Mike Flynn

https://twitter.com/genflynn/status/703387702998278144

Now this is the kind of thing that happens right here on the forum all the time. If someone starts a thread and uses the same title as the article being posted, is it the posters words and their exact position?

"Fear of Muslims is RATIONAL" - title of video that Flynn retweeted.

[phill4paul]

Don't knock it as a rough litmus test.

Funny thing is, Wolf had a guest on (Keith Ellison) that started out with a reasonable and logical criticism, but Wolf poo-pooed that and wanted to get into irrational smears instead.

From Woof I wouldn't doubt his journalistic misdirection.

E.T.A. I always wanted to shake his hand. Pull my face in kinda close and then say, exhaling greatly, "Wooof," breath in quickly, then with a cinematic Nazi accent end with "Bleatzer."

[seapilot]

Really any choice for head the NSA is going to be a bad choice. The only good choice would be to not fund it. HI NSA GUYS!!!

[Sola_Fide]

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Thank you Lindsey. That's one hell of an endorsement.


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[AuH20]

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[The Northbreather]

From Woof I wouldn't doubt his journalistic misdirection.

E.T.A. I always wanted to shake his hand. Pull my face in kinda close and then say, exhaling greatly, "Wooof," breath in quickly, then with a cinematic Nazi accent end with "Bleatzer."

You could grip his hand and whisper "stop lying", then yell "HEY, LET GO OF ME WOLF!".

Then you are cleared for the self defense head butt.

:)

[TheCount]

800454772889423872Unsurprising that Flynn, who had a paid position on a Russian propaganda channel and sat next to Putin at a Russian state dinner, would directly repeat Russian propaganda.

[Origanalist]

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Here is the full interview;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RIUE68cpGc

Courtesy of this article; http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/gen-micheal-flynn-says-us-and-russia-must-adopt-strategic-cooperation-video/ri17782?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[Superfluous Man]

So effective that Jennifer Rubin has almost passed out.

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I don't know who Mike Flynn is. But if you like the appointment, then that means it's horrible.

[Origanalist]

I see this as a improvement over Hillary's mad dog snarling at the Russians. Call me crazy.

[GunnyFreedom]

Don't knock it as a rough litmus test.

Funny thing is, Wolf had a guest on (Keith Ellison) that started out with a reasonable and logical criticism, but Wolf poo-pooed that and wanted to get into irrational smears instead.

No, "Some guy I hate hates X therefore he must be good" is not any sort of litmus test. It is a fallacy trap. Intellect goes in and dies, leaving the perpetrator no better than a human vegetable. Frankly I have lost respect for anybody who says "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" ever since I learned about WW1 and WW2 in grade school. I wish I had not entered this thread, because I cannot un-see this post. :(

[cindy25]

Flynn had many problems. he wanted a draft. and war with Iran.

[P3ter_Griffin]

Flynn had many problems. he wanted a draft. and war with Iran.

Glad he is gone then. Neither of those are high on my desire list.

[UWDude]

Flynn had many problems. he wanted a draft. and war with Iran.


It seems that way. I just am quite worried about the replacement. Flynn was half OK. His replacement may be all neocon. If so, very dark times ahead. It will mean trump is no longer in control.

I watched Trump's joint press conference with Abe. It was stilted. He was reading a script, and it was clearly written by a neocon. Of all the concerns about trump, him doing an about face on his foreign policy talk would be the most disheartening.

Of course, I wont bash him for his handshake and everything else, like some here, but if his foreign policy turns full neocon, I am done with him.

He can institute police state crap, and that will suck. But if there are more wars under trump, I will go back to being an anti-patriot.

On the bright side, I'll be able to talk politics to Seattle girls again. ha ha ha.