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sdsubball23
11-17-2016, 01:47 AM
I've been doing some research on Bannon to see if the claim of him being a racist and white nationalist are true or not. I'm having a hard time figuring this out.

The Southern Poverty Law Center put out a petition (see: https://www.splcenter.org/stephen-bannon-has-no-business-white-house) with some tid bits about Bannon. For example, they said "Bannon presided over a news empire where he, according to former staffers, ”aggressively pushed stories against immigrants, and supported linking minorities to terrorism and crime.”"

The website also says: ""We're the platform for the alt-right," Bannon said in July, using a term that is really just a rebranding of traditional white nationalism."

From these quotes it sounds like there could be racism or elements of white nationalism. But I don't know. Maybe the quotes are taken out context or are misunderstood?

What do you guys think? Is Bannon racist or not?

specsaregood
11-17-2016, 01:53 AM
How should any of us know? You didn't post anything above that indicates that he is.

dannno
11-17-2016, 01:58 AM
I haven't seen anything yet to indicate that he is, besides the mainstream media making wild accusations.

GunnyFreedom
11-17-2016, 02:04 AM
I wouldn't trust anything the SPLC says.

I also do not believe that most of the people actually IN the "Alt-Right" consider themselves a 'rebranding of traditional white nationalism.'

Maybe Bannon is a hard core racist. Maybe Bannon doesn't GAF about race. Either way, there is nothing about the SPLC that will enlighten anyone.

Didn't the SPLC try to pull this crap on Ron?

specsaregood
11-17-2016, 02:08 AM
I wouldn't trust anything the SPLC says.

I also do not believe that most of the people actually IN the "Alt-Right" consider themselves a 'rebranding of traditional white nationalism.'

Maybe Bannon is a hard core racist. Maybe Bannon doesn't GAF about race. Either way, there is nothing about the SPLC that will enlighten anyone.

Didn't the SPLC try to pull this crap on Ron?

The SPLC thinks everybody is a racists, hell they probably think garden gnomes are a bunch of pygmy sized white nationalists.

nobody's_hero
11-17-2016, 02:56 AM
I don't know much about him, but if the SPLC is against him, he's more good than bad.

John F Kennedy III
11-17-2016, 03:48 AM
Has the SPLC labelled SJW'S a racist hate group yet?

Jamesiv1
11-17-2016, 05:21 AM
His ex-wife during their divorce said he is a racist.

What else do you need to hear.

Jesse James
11-17-2016, 07:37 AM
I also do not believe that most of the people actually IN the "Alt-Right" consider themselves a 'rebranding of traditional white nationalism.'

The
ones that I have interacted with do...

Jesse James
11-17-2016, 07:39 AM
Bannon's ex-wife swore in court in 2007 that he “didn’t want the girls going to school with Jews...He said he doesn’t like Jews..."

The views of the alt-right are widely seen as anti-Semitic and white supremacist....Most of its members are young white men who see themselves first and foremost as champions of their own demographic. However, apart from their allegiance to their "tribe," as they call it, their greatest points of unity lie in what they are against: multiculturalism, immigration, feminism and, above all, political correctness.
"They see political correctness really as the greatest threat to their liberty," Nicole Hemmer, University of Virginia professor and author of a forthcoming book Messengers of the Right, explained on Morning Edition. "So, they believe saying racist or anti-Semitic things — it's is not an act of hate, but an act of freedom," she said.

There are many things that separate the alternative right from old-school racist skinheads (to whom they are often idiotically compared), but one thing stands out above all else: intelligence. Skinheads, by and large, are low-information, low-IQ thugs driven by the thrill of violence and tribal hatred. The alternative right are a much smarter group of people — which perhaps suggests why the Left hates them so much. They’re dangerously bright.

Jesse James
11-17-2016, 07:40 AM
Based on those three things I found, I'm going to go against the tide in this thread and say he is almost definitely a racist.

CaptUSA
11-17-2016, 07:46 AM
I don't know and don't really care. It seems likely that he used the racism of others as leverage for himself - and that's really the only thing that matters on this issue.

The media on both sides likes to divide us along racial lines. And its an easy trap for people to fall into. So whether its the MSM or Bannon, we should all embrace individuality over collectivism.

tod evans
11-17-2016, 08:45 AM
There are many things that separate the alternative right from old-school racist skinheads



Good grief!

How old am I to where this bunch of kids is now considered "old school" ?

You young people today seem overly concerned about whether or not one group of people accepts another.....

People are different, different upbringings, races and nationalities, different sexual preferences and different religions, different hair styles and styles of dress.....Who cares!

I don't want to live in a world where any of these lines are blurred or eliminated, obfuscated or confounded, there can be no individuality with homogony.

Don't accept anyone because they're a member of a group, not now, not ever!

Accept people into your life that you agree with and who you like and fuck everybody else.

Cleaner44
11-17-2016, 09:02 AM
The
ones that I have interacted with do...

Sounds like you need to change your environment.


Bannon's ex-wife swore in court in 2007 that he “didn’t want the girls going to school with Jews...He said he doesn’t like Jews..."

The views of the alt-right are widely seen as anti-Semitic and white supremacist....Most of its members are young white men who see themselves first and foremost as champions of their own demographic. However, apart from their allegiance to their "tribe," as they call it, their greatest points of unity lie in what they are against: multiculturalism, immigration, feminism and, above all, political correctness.
"They see political correctness really as the greatest threat to their liberty," Nicole Hemmer, University of Virginia professor and author of a forthcoming book Messengers of the Right, explained on Morning Edition. "So, they believe saying racist or anti-Semitic things — it's is not an act of hate, but an act of freedom," she said.

There are many things that separate the alternative right from old-school racist skinheads (to whom they are often idiotically compared), but one thing stands out above all else: intelligence. Skinheads, by and large, are low-information, low-IQ thugs driven by the thrill of violence and tribal hatred. The alternative right are a much smarter group of people — which perhaps suggests why the Left hates them so much. They’re dangerously bright.


Didn't Bannon actual send both his children to the Jewish school in question, the Archer School? Wikipedia says that he did.

Sola_Fide
11-17-2016, 09:19 AM
I also do not believe that most of the people actually IN the "Alt-Right" consider themselves a 'rebranding of traditional white nationalism.'


I think I disagree Gunny. I would say most are conscious about their racialism.



Didn't the SPLC try to pull this crap on Ron?

Sure, but with Ron, it was outrageously false. With the alt-right, its true.

Cleaner44
11-17-2016, 09:21 AM
The Anti-Defamation League says:
WE ARE NOT AWARE OF ANY ANTI-SEMITIC STATEMENTS FROM BANNON
http://www.adl.org/sp/stephen-bannon-backgrounder/bannon-backgrounder.html#.WC24cjsw18c

Brian4Liberty
11-17-2016, 11:41 AM
He's a witch! Burn him at the stake!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

dannno
11-17-2016, 11:46 AM
Bannon's ex-wife swore in court in 2007 that he “didn’t want the girls going to school with Jews...He said he doesn’t like Jews..."

The views of the alt-right are widely seen as anti-Semitic and white supremacist....Most of its members are young white men who see themselves first and foremost as champions of their own demographic. However, apart from their allegiance to their "tribe," as they call it, their greatest points of unity lie in what they are against: multiculturalism, immigration, feminism and, above all, political correctness.
"They see political correctness really as the greatest threat to their liberty," Nicole Hemmer, University of Virginia professor and author of a forthcoming book Messengers of the Right, explained on Morning Edition. "So, they believe saying racist or anti-Semitic things — it's is not an act of hate, but an act of freedom," she said.

There are many things that separate the alternative right from old-school racist skinheads (to whom they are often idiotically compared), but one thing stands out above all else: intelligence. Skinheads, by and large, are low-information, low-IQ thugs driven by the thrill of violence and tribal hatred. The alternative right are a much smarter group of people — which perhaps suggests why the Left hates them so much. They’re dangerously bright.







He ended up sending his kids to the Jewish school.. the reason for his hesitation was not because he "didn't like Jews" but because he said they raised their kids to be spoiled brats, and he didn't want his kids to be in that environment.

Jesse James
11-17-2016, 11:48 AM
Sounds like you need to change your environment.

Or
maybe they should just stop trolling the internet.

reddit.com/r/anarcho_capitalism

never met anybody in real life who considers themselves "alt right", but if i did, i would probably just laugh in their face and walk away...

Spikender
11-17-2016, 11:53 AM
Bannon is not a racist.

This is just further proof that the MSM still holds too much power in this country that this question is even being asked here. This one is simple to disprove.

RJB
11-17-2016, 11:58 AM
I remember hearing as a kid that Reagan was heavily racist. Then every Republican and anyone who didn't agree with the DNC elite was racist. Against Obamacare or against gun control? You're a racist. Are you pro-life? You hate women. Are you Bernie or bust? Your privilege is showing. Americans have gone beyond finding this to be a mild annoyance and are actually pushing back. Good for them. I pray this leads to honest discussion

GunnyFreedom
11-17-2016, 12:15 PM
I think I disagree Gunny. I would say most are conscious about their racialism.

Maybe most of the Alt-Right adherents on RonPaulForums are conscious of it, but you forget, I have thousands and thousands of Republican friends and acquaintances from my political background, and may have some perspective on this. Of the roughly 3000 fedbook friends I have who ended up voting for Trump, maybe 2000 of those identify (at least loosely) with the current Alt-Right movement, and out of those 2000 maybe roughly 5 are stuvk on race.

So while your analysis may hold up on these forums, outside of this place I am seeing a very different story.


Sure, but with Ron, it was outrageously false. With the alt-right, its true.

Well, the vast vast majority of the people I know who are fond of this "Alt-Right" movement, are not themselves nor do they have anything to do with racists.

You do as you feel led, of course, but mark my words, just like the left's unsubstantiated cries of racism ended up bolstering the right to victory as so many accused knew that the charges against them were false and they got angry...in the same way if/when you accuse a non-racist alt-right sympathizer of 'racism,' all you are doing is pushing them further into that position out of a rejection of the rhetoric.

Are there actual racists in the Alt-Right and other movements? Sure. Individual racists whom you can only smoke out correctly on an individual basis. If, however, you collectivise a group as "racist" when maybe 65% of that group doesn't actually care about race, then you end up actually causing harm to YOUR position as the people being accused, knowing themselves that they are not racist, will retrench and double-down.

I used to preach to the left how accusing non-racists of being racists will lead to their utter defeat and they didn't believe me either. They, too tried to formulate arguments how "every conservative" was necessarily a racist (even if they themselves didn't know it). This is why they lost credibility. Too many people who have never had a racist thought in their lives getting accused of racism is going to inspire a knee-jerk. That's how humans work.

So I am going to pass that same warning on to right-wing nevertrumpers. If you are going to accuse someone of racism, make darn sure they are actually a racist, and if you accuse an entire movement of racism, make darn sure that movement is in fact at least 90% racist before you do, or all you will end up doing is digging your own grave.

Even if we assume that 75% of the Alt-Right is 'racist,' that still makes a blanket accusation counter-productive because the 75% won't care and the 25% are going to get pissed off and push back (by doubling down).

tod evans
11-17-2016, 12:15 PM
I remember hearing as a kid that Reagan was heavily racist. Then every Republican and anyone who didn't agree with the DNC elite was racist. Against Obamacare or against gun control? You're a racist. Are you pro-life? You hate women. Are you Bernie or bust? Your privilege is showing. Americans have gone beyond finding this to be a mild annoyance and are actually pushing back. Good for them. I pray this leads to honest discussion

If history repeats itself there'll be copious amounts of blood shed before any honest dialog is undertaken..

NorthCarolinaLiberty
11-17-2016, 12:24 PM
Everyone is prejudiced to some degree. Everyone pre-judges in every day behavior. "Racism" is just one of many, many different types of prejudice. No one has a monopoly on the word "prejudice."

If you are going to label someone, then you have to first define it. You then have to quantify it. Otherwise, it's emotional blathering.

r3volution 3.0
11-17-2016, 12:26 PM
I doubt that Bannon himself is a foaming-at-the-mouth white nationalist.

Though he, like Trumptard, is obviously pandering to the white nationalist rabble.

RJB
11-17-2016, 12:40 PM
If history repeats itself there'll be copious amounts of blood shed before any honest dialog is undertaken..

I hope you are wrong, but that's what the establishment is pushing.

angelatc
11-17-2016, 12:41 PM
Based on those three things I found, I'm going to go against the tide in this thread and say he is almost definitely a racist.

So, you already knew the answer when you asked, but just wanted to hear yourself talk?

NorthCarolinaLiberty
11-17-2016, 12:50 PM
Good grief!

How old am I to where this bunch of kids is now considered "old school" ?

You young people today seem overly concerned about whether or not one group of people accepts another.....

People are different, different upbringings, races and nationalities, different sexual preferences and different religions, different hair styles and styles of dress.....Who cares!

I don't want to live in a world where any of these lines are blurred or eliminated, obfuscated or confounded, there can be no individuality with homogony.

Don't accept anyone because they're a member of a group, not now, not ever!

Accept people into your life that you agree with and who you like and fuck everybody else.


Yeah, I agree with with this. I'd rep you, but I just did and am out. Owe you one.

Jesse James
11-17-2016, 01:48 PM
So, you already knew the answer when you asked, but just wanted to hear yourself talk?
before
I found this thread I didn't even know who he was. so, no.

undergroundrr
11-17-2016, 02:36 PM
What's his foreign policy - hawk or dove?

dannno
11-17-2016, 03:01 PM
What's his foreign policy - hawk or dove?

Well if he supports Trump, he can't be too much of a war hawk.

undergroundrr
11-17-2016, 03:13 PM
Well if he supports Trump, he can't be too much of a war hawk.

Yeah, Rudy's an anomaly. Thanks for that contribution dannno.

I'm seriously interested if anybody knows.

dannno
11-17-2016, 03:34 PM
Yeah, Rudy's an anomaly. Thanks for that contribution dannno.

Rudy is an opportunist, so is Christie, and you're welcome.

GunnyFreedom
11-17-2016, 05:02 PM
Yeah, Rudy's an anomaly. Thanks for that contribution dannno.

I'm seriously interested if anybody knows.

No way to really know at this point, but he does come from the teocon wing of the tea party, which faction has famously maintained support for GWB's rampant militarism. So we may not have any facts, but could potentially have some indication. I'm still in wait and see mode.

oyarde
11-17-2016, 06:05 PM
I wouldn't trust anything the SPLC says.

I also do not believe that most of the people actually IN the "Alt-Right" consider themselves a 'rebranding of traditional white nationalism.'

Maybe Bannon is a hard core racist. Maybe Bannon doesn't GAF about race. Either way, there is nothing about the SPLC that will enlighten anyone.

Didn't the SPLC try to pull this crap on Ron?

The SPLC once had an organization I once belonged to on the shit list they keep and they have no credibility , none .

undergroundrr
11-17-2016, 06:07 PM
It's just that there was all this cheerleading for Bannon when trump chose him. But nobody seems to have any idea what his foreign policy stance is.

Jesse James
11-17-2016, 06:09 PM
No way to really know at this point, but he does come from the teocon wing of the tea party, which faction has famously maintained support for GWB's rampant militarism. So we may not have any facts, but could potentially have some indication. I'm still in wait and see mode.
he
is "America First". in my opinion, that at least means that he won't want to spend a bunch on foreign aid or intervene overseas... could just be wishful thinking on my part.

enhanced_deficit
11-17-2016, 06:22 PM
Don't know him well but have not heard of his actions that could even come remotely close to the racist actions against colored people by following racist characters that media neocons/SWC community is shockingly quiet about.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8

http://theawesomedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/barack-obama-hillary-clinton-hug-photoshop-battle-35-579b15ccf117a__700.jpg



Have not seen a snigle news or accusation of SB being involved in heinous crimes against thousands of colored children. Next to to these guys, he's probably a saint of racial fairness.

r3volution 3.0
11-17-2016, 06:47 PM
Well if he supports Trump, he can't be too much of a war hawk.

Christie supports Trump.

Giuliani supports Trump.

Bolton supports Trump.

...

dannno
11-17-2016, 06:54 PM
Christie supports Trump.

Giuliani supports Trump.

Bolton supports Trump.

...


Rudy is an opportunist, so is Christie, and you're welcome.



You can add Bolton on there, too.

r3volution 3.0
11-17-2016, 07:00 PM
You can add Bolton on there, too.

Oh, sorry, I forgot.

Since it is axiomatic that Trump's not a hawk (despite supporting all the wars), it follows that all hawks who endorse him aren't really hawks.

For instance, Cheney is a hawk, unless he endorses Trump, in which case he ceases to be a hawk and becomes a mere "opportunist."

Doubleplusgood

dannno
11-17-2016, 07:05 PM
Oh, sorry, I forgot.

Since it is axiomatic that Trump's not a hawk (despite supporting all the wars), it follows that all hawks who endorse him aren't really hawks.

For instance, Cheney is a hawk, unless he endorses Trump, in which case he ceases to be a hawk and becomes a mere "opportunist."

Doubleplusgood

Logic fail.

They are hawks and opportunists.

If you didn't notice the other day, they basically announced that they put Christie on his transition team because Trump knows he is a fat fuck who can't help himself.. He was trying to bring in a bunch of lobbyist insiders. It was a helpful list to have. So Trump dumped Christie, and took everybody on his list off the list of finalists for positions in his administration.

Once again, stop watching the hand with the dove in it, watch the other hand. In other words, stop listening to the mainstream media and start following Trump on twitter or something.

r3volution 3.0
11-17-2016, 07:17 PM
Oh, yea, I guessed I missed that memo.

The other memo, the one I got, said that Christie was dumped because he'd convicted Trump's son's father-in-law of multiple felonies.

That plus Fatty was a PR problem due to Bridgegate.

...but I'm sure it's about clearing out the establishment guys, becuz MAGA and dealz.

After all, that's what hardcore libertarian, totally *not* establishment waterboy VP Mike Pence said.

Don't listen to the lamestream media, listen to FOX and Mike Pence.

69360
11-17-2016, 07:31 PM
White nationalists are not racists. There is nothing morally or legally wrong with a white person preferring to live near or be with other white people.

White supremacists are racist. They believe the white race is superior and want to rule over other races.

SPLC is a hate group. They hate and persecute anyone who doesn't believe in government forced multiculturalism.

r3volution 3.0
11-17-2016, 07:46 PM
White nationalists are not racists. There is nothing morally or legally wrong with a white person preferring to live near or be with other white people.

That's not what white nationalism is though.

White nationalists don't just prefer to live amongst their fellow whites, they want to use the power of the state to bring about that situation.

69360
11-17-2016, 07:58 PM
That's not what white nationalism is though.

White nationalists don't just prefer to live amongst their fellow whites, they want to use the power of the state to bring about that situation.

No, that would be a supremacist.

I'm sure there are varying definitions and degrees of white nationalists. I'm referring to the groups that want to live in white communities and separate themselves voluntarily. Maybe they even feel white people are superior in some way. I have no problem with these people. I don't think they are doing anything wrong. I understand some even profess that the US is a country founded by people of European descent. That is factually correct.

I do have a problem with the supremacists who want to use the force of government to suppress other races.

I don't consider myself a part of the so called alt right. But I also don't have a problem with them.

r3volution 3.0
11-17-2016, 08:01 PM
I'm referring to the groups that want to live in white communities and separate themselves voluntarily.

I appreciate that. What I'm saying is that that does not describe the vast majority of people self-ascribing as white nationalists.

You're giving them far too generous a reading.


I don't consider myself a part of the so called alt right. But I also don't have a problem with them.

They aren't what you think they are. Go to therightstuff(dot)biz sometime (the largest alt-right site) and notice the delightful banner they have, consisting of smiling NAZIs (I mean actual, 1940s, swastika-sporting NAZIs). Then read some of the articles, like the gem about how laissez faire is a Jewish conspiracy to destroy white people.

tod evans
11-17-2016, 08:05 PM
Has the term "Yankee-ist" been coined yet?

Or "Liberal-ist" ?

Is it only acceptable to express aversion to government approved segments of society?

How 'bout a "Catholic-ist" ?

Or a Methodist-ist" ?

I don't recall ever hearing about "Oriental-ist's" either, isn't that some form of actionable discrimination?

The Rebel Poet
11-17-2016, 08:49 PM
Oh, sorry, I forgot.

Since it is axiomatic that Trump's not a hawk (despite supporting all the wars), it follows that all hawks who endorse him aren't really hawks.

For instance, Cheney is a hawk, unless he endorses Trump, in which case he ceases to be a hawk and becomes a mere "opportunist."

Doubleplusgood
You finally figured it out! It's a well-known principle called "Quantum Politics" or colloquially "Schrodinger's Policy." Giuliani can be both a libertarian and a neocon at the same time, and it isn't until he interacts with (endorses or doesn't endorse) Trump that the wave form of his political duality collapses into one reality or the other. This is all quite well documented and there are some great youtube videos about the subject. I should also point out that this only works in the eleventh dimension of hyper-government, so if your trying to chart any of them on a Nolan chart, you have to use non-euclidean geometry.

r3volution 3.0
11-17-2016, 09:00 PM
You finally figured it out! It's a well-known principle called "Quantum Politics" or colloquially "Schrodinger's Policy." Giuliani can be both a libertarian and a neocon at the same time, and it isn't until he interacts with (endorses or doesn't endorse) Trump that the wave form of his political duality collapses into one reality or the other. This is all quite well documented and there are some great youtube videos about the subject. I should also point out that this only works in the eleventh dimension of hyper-government, so if your trying to chart any of them on a Nolan chart, you have to use non-euclidean geometry.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/08/96/6e/08966e91eda47bbe87ab41c692cd4244.jpg

dannno
11-17-2016, 09:05 PM
Oh, yea, I guessed I missed that memo.

The other memo, the one I got, said that Christie was dumped because he'd convicted Trump's son's father-in-law of multiple felonies.

That plus Fatty was a PR problem due to Bridgegate.

...but I'm sure it's about clearing out the establishment guys, becuz MAGA and dealz.

After all, that's what hardcore libertarian, totally *not* establishment waterboy VP Mike Pence said.

Don't listen to the lamestream media, listen to FOX and Mike Pence.

If your theory is true, why bring him on in the first place?

r3volution 3.0
11-17-2016, 09:08 PM
If your theory is true, why bring him on in the first place?

Who, Governor Biscuits?

Because he publicly fellatated Trump, and that's all it takes to become a "terrific person" in Trumpland.

You yourself still have a shot to be in the demonstration, go buy some knee pads and have at it.

dannno
11-17-2016, 09:11 PM
Who, Governor Biscuits?

Because he publicly fellatated Trump, and that's all it takes to become a "terrific person" in Trumpland.

You yourself still have a shot to be in the demonstration, go buy some knee pads and have at it.

So he did all of those other bad things after he was brought on the team?

r3volution 3.0
11-17-2016, 09:14 PM
So he did all of those other bad things after he was brought on the team?

Huh? What 'bad things' are you talking about?

Christie's 'bad thing' is being a warmongering, socialist, Bill-of-Rights-shredding (or eating?) whore for his entire political career.

dannno
11-17-2016, 09:23 PM
Huh? What 'bad things' are you talking about?

Christie's 'bad thing' is being a warmongering, socialist, Bill-of-Rights-shredding (or eating?) whore for his entire political career.

You said that the reason he was kicked off the team was because he prosecuted his in-law and bridgegate was a liability. So I figure those things must have happened after he was brought on the team, correct me if I'm wrong.. I mean, you don't just give somebody a blow job to be on the team for a few days, right? Or maybe is it possible there was another reason he was brought on?

The Rebel Poet
11-17-2016, 09:35 PM
Who, Governor Biscuits?

Because he publicly fellatated Trump, and that's all it takes to become a "terrific person" in Trumpland.

You yourself still have a shot to be in the demonstration, go buy some knee pads and have at it.
You're implying that he hasn't been doing that on these forums for a year.

r3volution 3.0
11-17-2016, 09:57 PM
You said that the reason he was kicked off the team was because he prosecuted his in-law and bridgegate was a liability. So I figure those things must have happened after he was brought on the team, correct me if I'm wrong.. I mean, you don't just give somebody a blow job to be on the team for a few days, right? Or maybe is it possible there was another reason he was brought on?

There were recent developments in BridgeGate, a couple of Fatty's aides were convicted (or indicted? I forget...).

Thumper dumped Fatty immediately after that, for PR reasons.

The choice was made simpler, one would presume, by Trump's son's dislike for Fatty.

That's my theory.

What's your theory for why Trump associated w/ such scum as Christie, Giuliani, Pence, Bolton, and the rest of the cunt parade in the first place?

...oh, nevermind, I know, "secret strategy," 8.5D chess, alpha-game, or sumpin.

specsaregood
11-17-2016, 10:18 PM
Huh? What 'bad things' are you talking about?

Christie's 'bad thing' is being a warmongering, socialist, Bill-of-Rights-shredding (or eating?) whore for his entire political career.

And before that, he was Bernie Madoff's lobbyist.

r3volution 3.0
11-17-2016, 10:24 PM
And before that, he was Bernie Madoff's lobbyist.

(...slowly lowers Trump helmet upon his head, takes moment to bask in glory of said helmet...)

Bernie's in prison...

...therefore

...he's anti-establishment, otherwise he wouldn't be in prison...

...amiright?

I'm right, so...

Thus, Christie's appointment to Sec. of Doughnuts would clearly have inaugurated a golden age of dealerific, alphantastic awesomeness.

Therefore, freedom.

QED

(DISCLAIMER: The above isn't an advertisement for Trump steaks, except insofar as it's an advertisement for Trump steaks).

sdsubball23
11-17-2016, 11:21 PM
So is alt-right a white nationalist movement? Or do some white nationalists follow the alt-right and have additional views added to the alt-right?

r3volution 3.0
11-17-2016, 11:26 PM
So is alt-right a white nationalist movement?

Yes, the main alt-right site [therightstuff(dot)biz] has a permanent banner at he top of the page depicting NAZIs.

(I mean actual black and white photos of NAZIs, Himmler et al)

Don't believe me? Check it out for yourself.


Or do some white nationalists follow the alt-right and have additional views added to the alt-right?

No, the alt-right was created by NAZIs in the first place.

A fellow named Richard Spencer created it (google him).

All the alt-right is, is neo-nazism in a shiny new pseduo-intellectual wrapping.

Athan
11-18-2016, 12:12 AM
I've been doing some research on Bannon to see if the claim of him being a racist and white nationalist are true or not. I'm having a hard time figuring this out.

The Southern Poverty Law Center put out a petition (see: https://www.splcenter.org/stephen-bannon-has-no-business-white-house) with some tid bits about Bannon. For example, they said "Bannon presided over a news empire where he, according to former staffers, ”aggressively pushed stories against immigrants, and supported linking minorities to terrorism and crime.”"

The website also says: ""We're the platform for the alt-right," Bannon said in July, using a term that is really just a rebranding of traditional white nationalism."

From these quotes it sounds like there could be racism or elements of white nationalism. But I don't know. Maybe the quotes are taken out context or are misunderstood?

What do you guys think? Is Bannon racist or not?

A FYI and reminder. They called Dr. Ron Paul a racists for 8 years. They called us racists. They probably called Rand racist. There are very few real racists in America these days. Racists, nazis, KKK, white supermacists are basically anyone who disagrees with the left. I've been called nazi and KKK even though I'm hispanic. The only people they don't call racists are democrats such as former senator Byrd and other liberals.

Athan
11-18-2016, 12:15 AM
I think I disagree Gunny. I would say most are conscious about their racialism.




Sure, but with Ron, it was outrageously false. With the alt-right, its true.

So Milo and Ben Shapiro supporters are racists?

NewRightLibertarian
11-18-2016, 12:20 AM
Not at all. I just think he has a brilliant vision for the populist right and that scares the left.

NewRightLibertarian
11-18-2016, 12:55 AM
Yes, the main alt-right site [therightstuff(dot)biz] has a permanent banner at he top of the page depicting NAZIs.

(I mean actual black and white photos of NAZIs, Himmler et al)

Don't believe me? Check it out for yourself.



No, the alt-right was created by NAZIs in the first place.

A fellow named Richard Spencer created it (google him).

All the alt-right is, is neo-nazism in a shiny new pseduo-intellectual wrapping.

Alt right seems to be a mix between Infowars and Milo style turbo-charged confrontational anti-leftism and white nationalism to me. It's like the original Ron Paul coalition without the libertarians.

nobody's_hero
11-18-2016, 07:34 AM
Sure, but with Ron, it was outrageously false. With the alt-right, its true.

You're still crying wolf (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?504246-You-re-Still-Crying-Wolf-(About-Trump))

H. E. Panqui
11-18-2016, 07:38 AM
....i have to laugh at gd fool republicrats when they discuss whether someone is a 'hawk' or a 'dove'....:rolleyes:

...back when stinking reagan was head of regime 'the hawks' wanted immediate war upon nicaragua when it was rumored they had ?acquired a few russian jets...'the doves' :rolleyes: said, 'no, let's wait to find out if the rumor is true and then we'll bomb nicaragua....

...99% of the people who have held federal office have been goddamned ignorant hawks...even the stinking republicrat doves...

otherone
11-18-2016, 07:46 AM
I've been called nazi and KKK even though I'm hispanic.

¿que que que?

Athan
11-18-2016, 08:35 AM
¿que que que?

Didn't you know? Telling a liberal that you almost never vote for democrats is "racis" and you are literally Hitler.

tod evans
11-18-2016, 08:38 AM
Didn't you know? Telling a liberal that you almost never vote for democrats is "racis" and you are literally Hitler.

Better to be called Vlad, impale 'em on pikes!

otherone
11-18-2016, 08:39 AM
Didn't you know? Telling a liberal that you almost never vote for democrats is "racis" and you are literally Hitler.

My response was phonetic, not critical.

Jesse James
11-18-2016, 09:53 AM
So is alt-right a white nationalist movement? Or do some white nationalists follow the alt-right and have additional views added to the alt-right?
from what I've seen it is a white nationalist movement

undergroundrr
11-18-2016, 11:20 AM
....i have to laugh at gd fool republicrats when they discuss whether someone is a 'hawk' or a 'dove'....:rolleyes:

...back when stinking reagan was head of regime 'the hawks' wanted immediate war upon nicaragua when it was rumored they had ?acquired a few russian jets...'the doves' :rolleyes: said, 'no, let's wait to find out if the rumor is true and then we'll bomb nicaragua....

...99% of the people who have held federal office have been goddamned ignorant hawks...even the stinking republicrat doves...

So we can conclude that Steve Bannon is a war hawk?

Madison320
11-19-2016, 10:28 AM
I only care about how this affects Trump's policy. The problem with "minority rights" is that they usually violate individual rights. Equal protection under the law is viewed as racist these days. So unless Trump is going to enact Jim Crow laws for example and force businesses to segregate, I'm not worried.

osan
11-19-2016, 12:19 PM
Why would anyone care?

I'd put Stalin in the cabinet if he did his job correctly.

misterx
11-19-2016, 01:01 PM
The SPLC thinks everybody is a racists, hell they probably think garden gnomes are a bunch of pygmy sized white nationalists.

The more racism they invent, the more donations they get. They have to maintain their excuse for existing.

Danke
11-19-2016, 04:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI0aAVh0dJc

undergroundrr
11-19-2016, 04:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI0aAVh0dJc

Ouch. 77+ minutes. Does he say somewhere in here whether Steve Bannon is pro-war or anti-war? Due to SM's unassailable reputation for studious research, his answer can be considered conclusive.

Danke
11-19-2016, 05:00 PM
Ouch. 77+ minutes. Does he say somewhere in here whether Steve Bannon is pro-war or anti-war? Due to SM's unassailable reputation for studious research, his answer can be considered conclusive.

I don't know, didn't watch.

I just posted it to annoy the usual detractors here.

undergroundrr
11-19-2016, 05:14 PM
I don't know, didn't watch.

I just posted it to annoy the usual detractors here.

LOL


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZcmTl_1ER8

Jingles
11-19-2016, 06:27 PM
I think it's pretty easy to figure out if someone is racist or not nowadays.

If the MSM is calling someone racist... It is pretty obvious they are not.