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openfire
11-11-2016, 05:54 AM
I know why this is happening and I saw this coming a decade ago.. Didn't know when it would happen, but I knew it would happen in my lifetime.

Leave the PC at the door. I'm interested in your thoughts...

otherone
11-11-2016, 05:59 AM
:rolleyes:

dean.engelhardt
11-11-2016, 06:01 AM
I think a lot of people looking at the raise in health insurance premiums for 2017 decided they could not afford Clinton. My best friend's premium are going from $1,100/mo to $2,000/mo. That transcends party loyalty or concerns about global warning.

asurfaholic
11-11-2016, 06:17 AM
I don't know. Shame that someone as corrupt as Clinton could still be so close to winning the election. Pretty scary actually.

But then I think about who she ran against and it starts to make sense.

Jesse James
11-11-2016, 06:56 AM
They are trying to end White civilization, mostly "white men", and Trump just ended it.

RJB
11-11-2016, 07:09 AM
The working man has his job shipped overseas or is replaced by illegal immigrants, but all the democrats were outraged about was whether transgenders could use the bathroom of their choice.

The only bone that was thrown to him was seen as a slap to the face: He was promised a living wage to work at McDonalds, when he feels like he was born to make cars.

So the honorable working class man became the uneducated angry redneck and the Democrats became the party of bureaucrats and academics.

CaptUSA
11-11-2016, 07:14 AM
People do not like Hillary Clinton. That's what this election was about. Her potential voters didn't care to turn out for her, and the people who hate her turned out to vote against her.

How many times did you have to hear, "well, I don't like Trump, but we can't have Hillary win!!"


This election was a mandate on Hillary Clinton. And it was sweet! (Don't misread the mandate)

tod evans
11-11-2016, 07:29 AM
Let's be honest. What was this election really about?

The status quo.

People are sick of it for many varied reasons depending on their personal situation.


Why is this happening everywhere?

Because there are too many people 'everywhere'..

UWDude
11-11-2016, 07:42 AM
How many times did you have to hear, "well, I don't like Trump, but we can't have Hillary win!!"

That is the PC answer. In all reality, his supporters were highly energized by him.

To the OP:
He won because he made calculated appeals to a wide swath of people. He won because he knew he had to, and he did whatever was necessary, and said whatever was necessary to win. He did not win to save the white race. He won to save the United States, and the ideals of the United States. He realizes white people are a part of the US, but he does not define the US as white.

tod evans
11-11-2016, 07:48 AM
In all reality, his supporters were highly energized by him.



I have read this opinion on the interwebs but have yet to actually hear somebody voice it.

Then again my social circle doesn't include many between the ages of 14 and 45..

CaptUSA
11-11-2016, 08:23 AM
That is the PC answer. In all reality, his supporters were highly energized by him.

Yes, but he didn't win because of his supporters. He won because people didn't show up for Hillary. He won because lots and lots of people turned out to vote against Hillary. If it was just his supporters, the result would have been far different. Obviously, as a supporter of his, you are misreading the mandate. The real mandate is that people did not want Hillary. (Hell, even Trump's campaign used that strategy for the last month!) (Even among his "supporters" the biggest cheer line - even bigger than "build the wall" - was "lock her up!")

A. Havnes
11-11-2016, 08:32 AM
People do not like Hillary Clinton. That's what this election was about. Her potential voters didn't care to turn out for her, and the people who hate her turned out to vote against her.

How many times did you have to hear, "well, I don't like Trump, but we can't have Hillary win!!"


This election was a mandate on Hillary Clinton. And it was sweet! (Don't misread the mandate)

This, and it's not a PC answer, it's the correct one. Yes, Trump had very energized supporters, but not nearly enough to carry him to victory. Many of his votes came from people like me: people who didn't like him at all, but who also didn't want Hillary in the White House. Had it been anyone other than Hillary, I would have voted third-party again.

I only know one person who was a die-hard Trump supporter - everyone else either refused to vote for either candidate or were willing to hold their nose and vote Trump to avoid what could effectively be eight more years of Obama.

Had it been Hillary vs. Literally Anyone Else, she would have lost just the same.

If it had been Trump vs. Literally Anyone Else, I honestly don't think he could have won. The race was close enough as it was, and if Bernie had actually gotten the nomination, he would have wiped the floor with Trump and we'd be heading towards a crazy, Socialist administration.

Indy Vidual
11-11-2016, 08:42 AM
I know why this is happening and I saw this coming a decade ago.. Didn't know when it would happen, but I knew it would happen in my lifetime.

Leave the PC at the door. I'm interested in your thoughts...

I wish I was more optimistic:
Trump is the strong leader who will use his entertaining charm to help us accept RFID chips, FEMA camps, and "droning" rebels right here at home. There is no place to hide YOU WILL get to be Great Again!


Edit: I intentionally posted before reading the thread.
The level of denial here is shocking. How often does Trump use the words individual freedom?

How many of you understand the USA just elected a brutal dictator? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?503858-How-many-of-you-understand-the-USA-just-elected-a-brutal-dictator)

timosman
11-11-2016, 08:46 AM
Testing the domestication of the american voter. Turns out the domestication process is not complete. Yet.

gaazn
11-11-2016, 09:13 AM
This was predicted four years ago with Rick Santorum's strong insurgent campaign against Romney. No money but almost whupped him in the Midwest including his home state of Michigan. Also Herman Cain's surges made any random business leader a contender, even if it was only Godfather's Pizza! Trump saw this and ran with the ball.

timosman
11-11-2016, 09:31 AM
This was predicted four years ago with Rick Santorum's strong insurgent campaign against Romney. No money but almost whupped him in the Midwest including his home state of Michigan. Also Herman Cain's surges made any random business leader a contender, even if it was only Godfather's Pizza! Trump saw this and ran with the ball.

lol

Ender
11-11-2016, 09:33 AM
This is the culmination of the ignorance of Americans.

The fact that most did not know or understand the questionable background of either candidate; do not understand our foreign policy or have any idea of real history; do not understand the difference between a democracy and a republic; have no knowledge of sound money; do not have a glimmer of what real liberty is- shows how successful public "education" has really been.

CaptUSA
11-11-2016, 09:34 AM
This, and it's not a PC answer, it's the correct one. Yes, Trump had very energized supporters, but not nearly enough to carry him to victory. Many of his votes came from people like me: people who didn't like him at all, but who also didn't want Hillary in the White House. Had it been anyone other than Hillary, I would have voted third-party again.

I only know one person who was a die-hard Trump supporter - everyone else either refused to vote for either candidate or were willing to hold their nose and vote Trump to avoid what could effectively be eight more years of Obama.

Had it been Hillary vs. Literally Anyone Else, she would have lost just the same.

If it had been Trump vs. Literally Anyone Else, I honestly don't think he could have won. The race was close enough as it was, and if Bernie had actually gotten the nomination, he would have wiped the floor with Trump and we'd be heading towards a crazy, Socialist administration.

This is exactly right. In a strange way, I suppose we can thank God that Hillary Clinton's corruption led to the defeat of Bernie Sanders.

thoughtomator
11-11-2016, 10:24 AM
This election's bottom line was whether or not the Rule of Law was worth preserving.

Sadly most of the infants left here couldn't find their way to the correct answer.

Which validated so many criticisms of libertarians as being unserious and not interested in anything beyond some favorite subject such as smoking weed, gay marriage, or, for too many here, open borders.

And even now some people here can't figure out that it would have been a really really bad idea to put the worst criminal any political system has ever produced into the Oval Office... the brainwashing level is absolutely extraordinary, even more so because there's not a damn person here with an excuse not to know better.

TheCount
11-11-2016, 10:55 AM
I know why this is happening and I saw this coming a decade ago.. Didn't know when it would happen, but I knew it would happen in my lifetime.

Leave the PC at the door. I'm interested in your thoughts...

If you were hoping that people would come in and say that this is a white race thing, only white nationalists and SJWs believe that.

nikcers
11-11-2016, 11:03 AM
If you were hoping that people would come in and say that this is a white race thing, only white nationalists and SJWs believe that.

The funny thing is some white nationalists and SJWS didn't fall for the establishments divide conquer tactics. They just hijacked a lot of them by creating a populist anti intellectual movement. The SJW/democrats are re inforcing their narratives and creating mountains out of molehills. What is this big distraction away from government and government policy? Could our debt finally be at a breaking point?

eleganz
11-11-2016, 11:08 AM
Yes, but he didn't win because of his supporters. He won because people didn't show up for Hillary. He won because lots and lots of people turned out to vote against Hillary. If it was just his supporters, the result would have been far different. Obviously, as a supporter of his, you are misreading the mandate. The real mandate is that people did not want Hillary. (Hell, even Trump's campaign used that strategy for the last month!) (Even among his "supporters" the biggest cheer line - even bigger than "build the wall" - was "lock her up!")

The people that helped Trump across the finish line were Obama voters in 2012.

PA, WI, MI, and historically blue counties as well as recent blue counties in various states.

The craziest supporters were his base but he couldn't win with just the base.

seapilot
11-11-2016, 11:24 AM
This is exactly right. In a strange way, I suppose we can thank God that Hillary Clinton's corruption led to the defeat of Bernie Sanders.

Get ready for 2020 there is going to be a big socialist on the Democrat ticket. Its the natural response to Drumpf getting elected. It will continue to keep stretching in each direction till it rips in half.

As for what happened in the election, I agree it was really saying I AM NO F%#@% way with with Her rather than I am with him. The democrats finally chose their SJW, climate agenda, PC world over the blue collar worker that used to be their backbone. Now they have no backbone and really no message to the average working person.

EBounding
11-11-2016, 12:02 PM
I think it's hillarious that both sides think he's going to deport all the Mexicans and put gay people in camps. He's walked back big time the deportation talk; only criminal illegals will be deported now, which is the same position as the democrats. He's also the most "pro-gay" president; what other president has literally held up the LGBQTETC. flag?

alucard13mm
11-11-2016, 12:08 PM
Get ready for 2020 there is going to be a big socialist on the Democrat ticket. Its the natural response to Drumpf getting elected. It will continue to keep stretching in each direction till it rips in half.

As for what happened in the election, I agree it was really saying I AM NO F%#@% way with with Her rather than I am with him. The democrats finally chose their SJW, climate agenda, PC world over the blue collar worker that used to be their backbone. Now they have no backbone and really no message to the average working person.

If Trump fucks up, which there is a pretty high chance, socialist/SJW will come out in droves to make sure they will win this time lol.

The Gold Standard
11-11-2016, 12:12 PM
Get ready for 2020 there is going to be a big socialist on the Democrat ticket. Its the natural response to Drumpf getting elected.

That's what this election was about. In 2020, the socialist will crush Trump, taking at least 40 states. All of these riots are meant to energize the young scum. Trump's big government solutions to the recession will fail, and free markets will get the blame. If Trump doesn't put forward any gun control laws, these four years are probably the last chance to "legally" buy your guns and ammo.

Jamesiv1
11-11-2016, 01:05 PM
That is the PC answer. In all reality, his supporters were highly energized by him.
^this

Both the Hillary Hate, and the Trump Love was grossly underestimated, and the cheating by the Democrats was grossly under-reported.

nobody's_hero
11-11-2016, 01:08 PM
It was about anger. Then it was about being told rather condescendingly by leftist elitists and establishmentarians, that anger is not a characteristic that wins elections.

And then it was about the angry people beating them in those elections, and watching them cry.

-signed,

one of the "angry white males"

UWDude
11-11-2016, 01:14 PM
That's what this election was about. In 2020, the socialist will crush Trump, taking at least 40 states. All of these riots are meant to energize the young scum. Trump's big government solutions to the recession will fail, and free markets will get the blame. If Trump doesn't put forward any gun control laws, these four years are probably the last chance to "legally" buy your guns and ammo.

Or the Democrats can try a safe establishment candidate again,"centerist" that draws on a "broad coalition" of anti-Trump democrats and Republicans, to try and assure victory.

I mean, after all, you are talking the 2020 elections, when Trump is still months away from inauguration. I don't think your crystal ball is that good.

nobody's_hero
11-11-2016, 01:14 PM
I don't know. Shame that someone as corrupt as Clinton could still be so close to winning the election. Pretty scary actually.

But then I think about who she ran against and it starts to make sense.

I do not think the democrats will have viable challengers in the future. Hillary won the popular vote. It's only a matter of time before they do away with the electoral college and we end up with the directly-elected national democratic state that they want, and the name of the game will then be, "California wins."

This election basically showed that we've reached the tipping point. There are now officially enough people on the left who will vote for even the sh1ttiest candidate ever in the history of the US elections and still be able to outnumber the opposition, and these people want free stuff, your stuff, and they have the numbers to take it.

Jamesiv1
11-11-2016, 01:18 PM
I do not think the democrats will have viable challengers in the future. Hillary won the popular vote. It's only a matter of time before they do away with the electoral college and we end up with the directly-elected national democratic state that they want, and the name of the game will then be, "California wins."
I seriously doubt she won the popular vote (aren't they still counting?), and I think at the ballot box they could only cheat so much before it became blatantly obvious.

I don't believe a word the msm says - especially when it comes to Hillary Clinton.

AuH20
11-11-2016, 01:21 PM
All they needed was a little nudge.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfJenokrmb4

nobody's_hero
11-11-2016, 01:22 PM
I seriously doubt she won the popular vote (aren't they still counting?), and I think at the ballot box they could only cheat so much before it became blatantly obvious.

I don't believe a word the msm says - especially when it comes to Hillary Clinton.

True, I forgot to account for cheating. Still, I think the number of teat-suckers is out-pacing the folks who know life is full of hard-knocks and you only survive through hard work and/or harnessing personal creativity. That's a dying attitude in this country.

tod evans
11-11-2016, 01:24 PM
and these people want free stuff, your stuff, and they have the numbers to take it.

:D

Ever seen a yuppie in the Ozarks?

Republicanguy
11-11-2016, 01:49 PM
The working man has his job shipped overseas or is replaced by illegal immigrants, but all the democrats were outraged about was whether transgenders could use the bathroom of their choice.

The only bone that was thrown to him was seen as a slap to the face: He was promised a living wage to work at McDonalds, when he feels like he was born to make cars.

So the honorable working class man became the uneducated angry redneck and the Democrats became the party of bureaucrats and academics.

That is true, but a lot would say well if that is what there is, then that is what there is. Any job is better than no job as the rightwing would put forward unlike the picky left I'm in on political views.

alucard13mm
11-11-2016, 02:06 PM
I seriously doubt she won the popular vote (aren't they still counting?), and I think at the ballot box they could only cheat so much before it became blatantly obvious.

I don't believe a word the msm says - especially when it comes to Hillary Clinton.

CNN projected trump will win popular

Jamesiv1
11-11-2016, 02:10 PM
CNN projected trump will win popular
From CNN's website:
http://www.prestongroup.org/stuff/cnn.png

http://www.cnn.com/election/results

Lucille
11-11-2016, 02:11 PM
It's just time.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/its-just-time-martin-armstrong.pdf

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/political-analysis/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzLT6_TQmq8

Jamesiv1
11-11-2016, 02:13 PM
True, I forgot to account for cheating. Still, I think the number of teat-suckers is out-pacing the folks who know life is full of hard-knocks and you only survive through hard work and/or harnessing personal creativity. That's a dying attitude in this country.
I hear you.

Things can change though. Seems the teat-suckers are mostly 20-somethings and college kids. Take away the teats and they will toughen up - or starve.

Danke
11-11-2016, 02:16 PM
All they needed was a little nudge.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfJenokrmb4

"'Don't Make the Black Kids Angry"

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEbta5E_jqlZmEJsriTEtnw

Ender
11-11-2016, 02:16 PM
I seriously doubt she won the popular vote (aren't they still counting?), and I think at the ballot box they could only cheat so much before it became blatantly obvious.

I don't believe a word the msm says - especially when it comes to Hillary Clinton.

Results at this moment are:

Clinton 60,467,601 votes

Trump 60,072,551 votes


20 electoral votes still available

Clinton
228

Trump
290

Ender
11-11-2016, 02:20 PM
"'Don't Make the Black Kids Angry"

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEbta5E_jqlZmEJsriTEtnw

To be fair it was another black kid who stopped the fight and protected the girl- AND it was a 1 on 1- I was expecting a 5 to 1 from the title.

Danke
11-11-2016, 02:23 PM
To be fair it was another black kid who stopped the fight and protected the girl- AND it was a 1 on 1- I was expecting a 5 to 1 from the title.

I saw a mulatto, not "another black kid."

Ender
11-11-2016, 02:32 PM
I saw a mulatto, not "another black kid."

1 drop rule, dude. Under that I'm legally black. ;)

It was 1 girl being an ass and slapping another girl around and mostly pulling her hair, one girl not sticking up for herself, and another girl stopping it.

Not cool, but not exactly the brutal beating the tube title proclaims.

Danke
11-11-2016, 02:42 PM
1 drop rule, dude. Under that I'm legally black. ;)

It was 1 girl being an ass and slapping another girl around and mostly pulling her hair, one girl not sticking up for herself, and another girl stopping it.

Not cool, but not exactly the brutal beating the tube title proclaims.

No blood necessary, just have to identify as one.

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQOpYkWBm4JKZZICZSdStUnzA9IL6xT1 Mfj2urH44OjYNPGmCYfeq_o2lE6

TommyJeff
11-11-2016, 02:45 PM
I know why this is happening and I saw this coming a decade ago.. Didn't know when it would happen, but I knew it would happen in my lifetime.

Leave the PC at the door. I'm interested in your thoughts...

Exit polls show that even people who voted for trump, don't like him. This election showed the dislike for the progressive movement and progressive over reach. It has to be an ideological rejection when the person selected is so personally disliked.

Danke
11-11-2016, 02:50 PM
Exit polls show that even people who voted for trump, don't like him. This election showed the dislike for the progressive movement and progressive over reach. It has to be an ideological rejection when the person selected is so personally disliked.

The ones that answered the people doing the exit polls. But for the truth, you just have to attend one of his rallies, or other supporters' / campaign groups.

parocks
11-11-2016, 02:52 PM
That is the PC answer. In all reality, his supporters were highly energized by him.

To the OP:
He won because he made calculated appeals to a wide swath of people. He won because he knew he had to, and he did whatever was necessary, and said whatever was necessary to win. He did not win to save the white race. He won to save the United States, and the ideals of the United States. He realizes white people are a part of the US, but he does not define the US as white.


Reading Wikileaks about Satanic Pedophila did not make me like Trump more, it made me like Hillary less. That 's not PC.

There were a number of different things going on. Trump did take a page from the 1996 Buchanan protectionist playbook, and Democrat rust belt states did go to Trump, GOP, for the first time in a while. PA, MI, WI, IA.

So, yeah, there is a certain amount of pro Trump there in those states.

CPUd
11-11-2016, 03:15 PM
People do not like Hillary Clinton. That's what this election was about. Her potential voters didn't care to turn out for her, and the people who hate her turned out to vote against her.

How many times did you have to hear, "well, I don't like Trump, but we can't have Hillary win!!"


This election was a mandate on Hillary Clinton. And it was sweet! (Don't misread the mandate)

QFT. This is the type of stuff that happens when people can't stop voting for shit candidates.

parocks
11-11-2016, 03:19 PM
That's what this election was about. In 2020, the socialist will crush Trump, taking at least 40 states. All of these riots are meant to energize the young scum. Trump's big government solutions to the recession will fail, and free markets will get the blame. If Trump doesn't put forward any gun control laws, these four years are probably the last chance to "legally" buy your guns and ammo.

All the anti war protests worked so well between 1968 and 1972? Nixon got creamed in 1972?

You might find that if the Soros funded protesting Dems keep this up, they'll have very few allies in 4 years and Trump could end up a cross between Nixon 1972 and Reagan 1984. In 1980, the Dems were pushing a similar version of fear against Reagan as they were pushing against Trump. What happened between 80 and 84 is that people realized that Reagan wasn't the scary meany that the media was telling everyone he was, but generally a decent, likeable enough fella. It's rare for incumbents to lose and it's rare for parties to keep the Presidency for more than 8 years. 8/8/8/8 is normal. Incumbent Presidents winning is normal.

RandallFan
11-11-2016, 04:58 PM
If you want a non PC example: Dumb Black Celebrities, Dumb black sports players talked down to white Americans.


Some white guy in a factory knows more about politics than Lebron James. What the fuck does he know. All he has had to do is go train for 2 hours a day since high school and use his natural athletic ability.

I think 50% of black girls get raped in high school, but a bunch of concerned black celebrities are complaining Trump tried to "grope" bimbos and oligarch wives.


Most white women and some moderate minorities would vote for Trump as boss at their workplace.

They wont vote for a hag.

TommyJeff
11-12-2016, 07:09 AM
The ones that answered the people doing the exit polls. But for the truth, you just have to attend one of his rallies, or other supporters' / campaign groups.


It's true that if everyone answers these exit polls, but how does that disprove this election as a vote against progressive overreach?

rg17
11-12-2016, 09:20 AM
I wish Trump pick Rand Paul as his VP.

AZJoe
11-12-2016, 03:16 PM
Justin Raimondo: The Foreign Policy Factor
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/11/10/trump-won-foreign-policy-factor/

"The one factor conspicuously missing from these expositions on the electorate’s romance with Trump is the attraction of his “America First” foreign policy stance. Indeed, Trump’s view that the US footprint abroad is too large and his vow to make it much smaller is what enraged the Washington, D.C. elites the most about his candidacy: a bevy of GOP foreign policy “experts” sent out at least two “open letters” excoriating Trump for his “isolationism” – the cardinal sin, according to neoconservative orthodoxy. This was the core of the Republican “Never Trump” faction’s complaint. And the Clintonites added their voices to this chorus, gladly welcoming the neoconservatives into their ranks.

Yet the common assumption is that ordinary voters – precisely the sort of voters who turned out for Trump – don’t care about foreign policy …

This, of course, is one big reason why the media, the pollsters, and the pundits missed the biggest story of the last half century: they just didn’t get that Trump’s campaign against globalism meant a repudiation of America’s role as the world’s policeman – and that Trump’s supporters, after a decade and a half of constant warfare, fully understood and agreed with his “isolationism.”…

Why are we paying for the defense of Europe when the Soviet threat has long since ceased to exist? Why are we defending the Saudis, when jihadists inspired by their Wahabist ideology are attacking us – including on September 11, 2001? Both South Korea and Japan are rich countries, whose industries are out-competing us and hollowing out the factory towns that were once the heart and soul of America: why, then, are we risking war and emptying our pockets in order to defend them from threats both real and imagined? These are the questions Trump asked …

but the War Party doesn’t give up so easily. The pressure on President Trump to compromise and even reverse his anti-interventionist instincts is already apparent and growing. … The neocons are already trying to sneak into his administration … That’s why it’s vitally important for Trump’s supporters … to be vigilant, and make their voices heard. President Trump is facing not only opposition from the Democrats, but from the people in his own party – neoconservatives and GOP “moderates” – who abhor his foreign policy stance. They hate the very idea of “America First,” and will do anything and everything to sabotage the translation of Trump’s campaign promises into policy. The War Party is on the move, as is the so-called Deep … stop them… By raising our voices, by protesting and appealing directly to the President himself ... making noise, and lots of it. … The battle to put America first is far from over: indeed, it has hardly begun. The next four years is going to be hand-to-hand combat. …"

jmdrake
11-12-2016, 03:55 PM
In the year of the anti establishment candidate the democrats cheated their anti establishment candidate (Bernie Sanders) out of a win.

openfire
11-13-2016, 04:01 AM
If you were hoping that people would come in and say that this is a white race thing, only white nationalists and SJWs believe that.

Not even close. What do freedom, truth, prosperity, rule of law, sovereignty and self determination have to do with race? Turn off CNN, it's frying your brain.

AZJoe
11-13-2016, 08:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk8DDFE8v3I

69360
11-13-2016, 11:41 AM
I think Trump won because the democracts shit on working class white people too often. These white people don't necessarily hate anyone, but they hit a breaking point. They see the democrats care more about where a dude in a dress takes a dump than jobs. They care more about Obamacare costing them more money than about coddling blacks on the dole and muslim immigrants. Plus 40 years of corruption seems to have finally caught up with the Clinton crime family.

Brian4Liberty
11-13-2016, 01:05 PM
Justin Raimondo: The Foreign Policy Factor
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/11/10/trump-won-foreign-policy-factor/

"The one factor conspicuously missing from these expositions on the electorate’s romance with Trump is the attraction of his “America First” foreign policy stance. Indeed, Trump’s view that the US footprint abroad is too large and his vow to make it much smaller is what enraged the Washington, D.C. elites the most about his candidacy: a bevy of GOP foreign policy “experts” sent out at least two “open letters” excoriating Trump for his “isolationism” – the cardinal sin, according to neoconservative orthodoxy. This was the core of the Republican “Never Trump” faction’s complaint. And the Clintonites added their voices to this chorus, gladly welcoming the neoconservatives into their ranks.

Yet the common assumption is that ordinary voters – precisely the sort of voters who turned out for Trump – don’t care about foreign policy …

This, of course, is one big reason why the media, the pollsters, and the pundits missed the biggest story of the last half century: they just didn’t get that Trump’s campaign against globalism meant a repudiation of America’s role as the world’s policeman – and that Trump’s supporters, after a decade and a half of constant warfare, fully understood and agreed with his “isolationism.”…

Why are we paying for the defense of Europe when the Soviet threat has long since ceased to exist? Why are we defending the Saudis, when jihadists inspired by their Wahabist ideology are attacking us – including on September 11, 2001? Both South Korea and Japan are rich countries, whose industries are out-competing us and hollowing out the factory towns that were once the heart and soul of America: why, then, are we risking war and emptying our pockets in order to defend them from threats both real and imagined? These are the questions Trump asked …

but the War Party doesn’t give up so easily. The pressure on President Trump to compromise and even reverse his anti-interventionist instincts is already apparent and growing. … The neocons are already trying to sneak into his administration … That’s why it’s vitally important for Trump’s supporters … to be vigilant, and make their voices heard. President Trump is facing not only opposition from the Democrats, but from the people in his own party – neoconservatives and GOP “moderates” – who abhor his foreign policy stance. They hate the very idea of “America First,” and will do anything and everything to sabotage the translation of Trump’s campaign promises into policy. The War Party is on the move, as is the so-called Deep … stop them… By raising our voices, by protesting and appealing directly to the President himself ... making noise, and lots of it. … The battle to put America first is far from over: indeed, it has hardly begun. The next four years is going to be hand-to-hand combat. …"


Let's be honest. What was this election really about? Why is this happening everywhere?

The true behind the scenes battle, or the surface level used to manipulate the ignorant masses?

Raimondo talks about the real battle. It was the globalist socialists vs. the "isolationist" nationalists. The Leninist/Trots and assorted globalists fought Trump to the death because they hate the idea of "America First" in the US, just like they hate Putin for looking out for the interests of Russia, and not playing globalist cronyism with them.

The media would prefer everyone see this as a race battle. The media has been pushing ad-nauseum the "poor stupid white people elected Trump" nonsense. Standard divide and conquer, along with a convenient distraction from their true globalist motives.

Somehow after the last two elections, I missed the mainstream media talking constantly about Obama being elected because of black voters. Oh yeah, that's because they never said that, because of their hypocrisy, deceit and double standards.

UWDude
11-13-2016, 01:29 PM
the media, as always, doesn't even touch that Trump pulled in millions of anti-war voters. It wasn;t just economic issues. The media ALWAYS ignores the issues of their stupid wars. ALWAYS.

AuH20
11-13-2016, 01:35 PM
The true behind the scenes battle, or the surface level used to manipulate the ignorant masses?

Raimondo talks about the real battle. It was the globalist socialists vs. the "isolationist" nationalists. The Leninist/Trots and assorted globalists fought Trump to the death because they hate the idea of "America First" in the US, just like they hate Putin for looking out for the interests of Russia, and not playing globalist cronyism with them.

The media would prefer everyone see this as a race battle. The media has been pushing ad-nauseum the "poor stupid white people elected Trump" nonsense. Standard divide and conquer, along with a convenient distraction from their true globalist motives.

Somehow after the last two elections, I missed the mainstream media talking constantly about Obama being elected because of black voters. Oh yeah, that's because they never said that, because of their hypocrisy, deceit and double standards.

The minorities foolishly allied with the globalists because they think they will be rewarded in the end. Little do they know that most globalists have a worse opinion of third world peoples than whites generally do. Most white people want to be left alone.

Minorities are being exclusively used to bring down the West, but when it's finally over they will be cast overboard as well.

TheCount
11-13-2016, 01:57 PM
What do freedom, truth, prosperity, rule of law, sovereignty and self determination have to do with race?Been to the political philosophy forum lately? Plenty of conversation in there about how only whites are capable of those things. And, to a one, all of those in support of that concept are fervent Trump supporters. From experiences on this forum, when I see posts about the "real" unmentioned reasons for the X, Y, and Z of politics, it has usually turned out to be a person trying to introduce a conversation about politics from a purely race-based point of you. If that wasn't your intention behind this thread, I apologize.

TheCount
11-13-2016, 01:59 PM
The minorities foolishly allied with the globalists because they think they will be rewarded in the end. Little do they know that most globalists have a worse opinion of third world peoples than whites generally do. Most white people want to be left alone.

Minorities allied with the globalists because the nationalists talk shit about them and use them as a bogeyman to scare their supporters.

In polling, the #1 political concern for hispanics is the economy. This is why so many of them voted for Trump this election; obviously they believe that he might bring about economic change that will improve their lot. Imagine how much better he would have done if he hadn't used them as a scapegoat for the first half of his campaign.

Brian4Liberty
11-14-2016, 11:38 AM
The minorities foolishly allied with the globalists because they think they will be rewarded in the end. Little do they know that most globalists have a worse opinion of third world peoples than whites generally do. Most white people want to be left alone.

Minorities are being exclusively used to bring down the West, but when it's finally over they will be cast overboard as well.

Let's not be collectivist.

Plenty of people who would be considered "minorities" did not vote for the globalist candidate. I know quite a few that voted for Trump, specifically because of Trump's America first rhetoric. And many who would usually vote Democrat sat out the election and did not vote for Hillary.