What is going to be Obama's legacy?

[enhanced_deficit]

Vote.


Correction: Choices #4 & #10 shoud be read as:

(#4) More wars and destruction, Drone war

(#10) Bad Good Economic & trade policies





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Obama's War Crimes: The U.S. Drone War (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?391485-Obama-s-War-Crimes-The-U-S-Drone-War&)

Obama: A Legacy of Ashes (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506607-Obama-A-Legacy-of-Ashes&)

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/poll_posticon.gif Poll: Would you support Obama impeachment? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?417115-Would-you-support-Obama-impeachment&)

Epic Video: Obama called "war criminal" & "hypocrite of the century" in Irish Parliament (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?418882-Epic-Video-Obama-called-quot-war-criminal-quot-amp-quot-hypocrite-of-the-century-quot-in-Irish-Parliament/page5&)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnJCvKA-oEU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnJCvKA-oEU

[CPUd]

https://i.imgur.com/rSK49Gx.jpg

[wizardwatson]

How about:

http://thefederalistpapers.integratedmarket.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/wh1.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/07/article-2058651-0E7CE1F800000578-677_634x463.jpg

http://www.wnd.com/files/2015/09/ahmed-mohamed-clock.jpg

https://stream.org/wp-content/uploads/Obama-Transgender-Restroom-Mandate-900.jpg

http://www.memepile.com/pics/6556-o.png

[oyarde]

Drone killing and forcing a mandate and fine on the people with more legislation .

[oyarde]

Total package rates right with Woodrow Wilson , LBJ , Nixon then Obama , Biden ,Reid , Pelosi .

[CPUd]

Cash for Clunkers

[enhanced_deficit]

https://i.imgur.com/rSK49Gx.jpg

Some say he was already dead...
Many mideast/Syrian Christians say this is how O kept busy:

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/52d03b0d6da811b6370b643a-1200-674/syria-161.jpg





Related

https://rashmanly.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/39ead8e8-f651-4e3a-9e84-b15543292bf71.jpeg?w=450&h=290

[enhanced_deficit]

Drone killing and forcing a mandate and fine on the people with more legislation .

Those are among the voting options under "more wars and destruction around the world" & "disastrous Obamacare".


http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2013-07-29-15droneC1.png
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/201...-15droneC1.png (http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2013-07-29-15droneC1.png)


Reporter Asks White House if US Airstrike that killed 11 children is ‘Terrorism’ (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?411985-Reporter-Asks-White-House-if-US-Airstrike-that-killed-11-children-is-%E2%80%98Terrorism%E2%80%99&)

While You Were Debating Obama’s ‘Selfie,’ U.S. Drones Killed 13+ Yemen Wedding Guests (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?436307-While-You-Were-Debating-Obama%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98Selfie-%E2%80%99-U-S-Drones-Killed-13-Yemen-Wedding-Guests&)
http://media2.wptv.com//photo/2013/12/10/WPTV_Obama_Selfie_20131210122944_320_240.JPG



Obama called "war criminal" & "hypocrite of the century" in Irish Parliament (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?418882-Epic-Video-Obama-called-quot-war-criminal-quot-amp-quot-hypocrite-of-the-century-quot-in-Irish-Parliament&)

The 12-Year War: 73% of U.S. Casualties in Afghanistan Occured on Obama's Watch (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?427493-The-12-Year-War-73-of-U-S-Casualties-in-Afghanistan-on-Obama-s-Watch&p=5221296#post5221296)

[enhanced_deficit]

How about:

http://thefederalistpapers.integratedmarket.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/wh1.jpg





"God's in the mix" is unfortunately not among voting options.. but there is honest/dishonest voting choice.

http://cdn.nomblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Obama-SSM-2008.jpg

[Dr.No.]

Despite the reality of him being a hawk, I don’t think that will be a part of his legacy since every recent president has been incredibly hawkish. Plus, the media hardly ever covered his use of drones, bombings, killings, etc…because the Democrats wouldn’t care since Obama was doing it, and the Republicans love that stuff.


I think he will go down as an excellent campaigner. As a corporatist who ran on hope and change and gave us pocket change. He’s going to be blamed for future problems that arise from his regulatory state. Obamacare is a failure that obviously will hang on him. In general, his failure to deliver on campaign promises will hurt him.


He will definitely get credit for being the President to preside over the legalization of gay marriage, and the repeal of DADT.


I think he will get a LOT of credit for opening up Cuba. If the Iran deal persists, we’re going to look upon that retroactively as a huge first step in normalizing relations with them.


Economically, he’ll be remembered for having expanded the deficit so much (even though everyone does it, he was the best at it!), but also for adding about 1.5 trillion to the private savings of Americans, and unprecedented feat. Rightly or wrongly, he’ll be seen as having left America with a good and healthy economy.

The identity-based controversies that plagued his presidency will fall away, and people will remember him as being nice, gentile, eloquent, and charming while being weak-willed and a little too conciliatory.


Overall, it will depend on Trump. If Trump is a disaster, Obama will be looked upon very fondly…kind of like how Clinton is looked upon very positively since Bush was an abject disaster. If Trump is great, then Obama will look like Jimmy Carter.

[Spikender]

Aratus voted for everything.

I feel that.

[staerker]

Drones, and persecuting whistleblowers

[otherone]

Obama's Legacy:

http://dynaimage.cdn.turner.com/cnn-elections/candidates/,w_800/1e1716e0-trump-4x3.jpg

[Ender]

Despite the reality of him being a hawk, I don’t think that will be a part of his legacy since every recent president has been incredibly hawkish. Plus, the media hardly ever covered his use of drones, bombings, killings, etc…because the Democrats wouldn’t care since Obama was doing it, and the Republicans love that stuff.


I think he will go down as an excellent campaigner. As a corporatist who ran on hope and change and gave us pocket change. He’s going to be blamed for future problems that arise from his regulatory state. Obamacare is a failure that obviously will hang on him. In general, his failure to deliver on campaign promises will hurt him.


He will definitely get credit for being the President to preside over the legalization of gay marriage, and the repeal of DADT.


I think he will get a LOT of credit for opening up Cuba. If the Iran deal persists, we’re going to look upon that retroactively as a huge first step in normalizing relations with them.


Economically, he’ll be remembered for having expanded the deficit so much (even though everyone does it, he was the best at it!), but also for adding about 1.5 trillion to the private savings of Americans, and unprecedented feat. Rightly or wrongly, he’ll be seen as having left America with a good and healthy economy.

The identity-based controversies that plagued his presidency will fall away, and people will remember him as being nice, gentile, eloquent, and charming while being weak-willed and a little too conciliatory.


Overall, it will depend on Trump. If Trump is a disaster, Obama will be looked upon very fondly…kind of like how Clinton is looked upon very positively since Bush was an abject disaster. If Trump is great, then Obama will look like Jimmy Carter.

Pretty much agree with this. I see him as carrying on with what Bush put into place.

I do like the Cuba/Iran deals.

Also grateful that I could stand to look at his face even though I did not care for his politics. Both Trump & Clinton make me ill. ;)

[enhanced_deficit]

Pretty much agree with this. I see him as carrying on with what Bush put into place.


One of the greatest injustices that will be recorded in modern wars history is that Bush was not awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.

[AZJoe]

http://blacknewsexaminer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/king-obama-drones.jpg

[AZJoe]

http://www.commdiginews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/obama-isis-flag.jpg

[AZJoe]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw-Cqg5WgAADvxf.jpg:large

[AZJoe]

http://17663-presscdn-0-49.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/947163175_obama_my_work_here_is_done_500x353_xlarg e.jpg

[enhanced_deficit]

Obama's Legacy:

http://dynaimage.cdn.turner.com/cnn-elections/candidates/,w_800/1e1716e0-trump-4x3.jpg


That will be the concise answer, to the point.







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That is probably sentiment of people in many countries around the world.



http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/images/2015/11/blogs/graphic-detail/20151121_woc539.png


http://radio.foxnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/obama-predator-drone.jpg

Obama's $195 Million Aid Package for Al Qaeda-Led Syrian Rebels
Aug 8, 2013

Obama Waives Ban on Arming Terrorists to Aid Syrian Rebels
3 days ago

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/poll_posticon.gif Poll: Will Neocons-Al Qaeda alliance end well? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?427051-Will-Neocons-Al-Qaeda-alliance-end-well&)

[Pizzo]

I'm not sure if you are wanting us to vote for his legacy in our eyes, or what it will likely be to the masses. Those are likely very different.

[Pizzo]

https://i.imgur.com/rSK49Gx.jpg

Your meme spelled "drone bombing children" wrong.

[DamianTV]

Aratus voted for everything.

I feel that.

You do know Aratus is a hacker, right? He only voted all positive things because he hacked into the DNC and found his own suicide note that was to be published in the event he didnt vote all positive things for Beloved Leader Obama!

/total sarcasm

[CPUd]

Your meme spelled "drone bombing children" wrong.

I doubt he will be remembered for that. While it is indeed horrible, all POTUS int eh modern era have blood on their hands, it won't be long after the next one gets sworn in that he will join that club.

[Pizzo]

I doubt he will be remembered for that. While it is indeed horrible, all POTUS int eh modern era have blood on their hands, it won't be long after the next one gets sworn in that he will join that club.

Gotcha. That's why I asked the question I asked in my previous post.

[TheTexan]

The ObamaPhone program, from what I've heard, was a wild success

[enhanced_deficit]

Drones, and persecuting whistleblowers

And selective politically motivated "justice" for poor folks like Rev Wright's daughter and Miriam Carey's lawyer.

[paleocon1]

Vote.


Correction: Choices #4 & #10 shoud be read as:

(#4) More wars and destruction, Drone war

(#10) Bad Good Economic & trade policies

I keep hoping that barry's ultimate legacy will be the first usurper to go to the gallows for his Treason

[Jamesiv1]

The ObamaPhone program, from what I've heard, was a wild success

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax-2i71bqGw

[timosman]

End of DNC.

[misterx]

https://i.imgur.com/rSK49Gx.jpg

Obama killed Bin Laden? I didn't know he even knew how to fire a weapon.

History will look back on his term as the time when America started fracturing on ethnic lines. That, and hopefully he will be remembered for passing an ACA that was so disastrous it was repealed within a year of him leaving office.

[CPUd]

Obama killed Bin Laden? I didn't know he even knew how to fire a weapon.

History will look back on his term as the time when America started fracturing on ethnic lines. That, and hopefully he will be remembered for passing an ACA that was so disastrous it was repealed within a year of him leaving office.

If he's drone bombing kids, then yeah, he killed bin Laden.

[misterx]

If he's drone bombing kids, then yeah, he killed bin Laden.

It's not like he went out a limb to tell the CIA and Navy SEALs to find Bin Laden and kill him. Obama didn't do anything that any other person wouldn't have done. He didn't really have any other choice. Now he did have a choice one whether or not to bomb kids, and he made the wrong choice.

[enhanced_deficit]

This are controversial claims though:



http://email.media.wnd.com/files/2013/01/WB_Feb_2013.jpghttp://www.wnd.com/files/2013/01/Obama_gay_prez-221x300.jpg

[enhanced_deficit]

End of DNC.

Another take on this where CR invokes Dessimation of Democratic Party:

Krauthammer on Trump win: Obama is "personally insulted", demolition of 8 years (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?504704-Krauthammer-on-Trump-win-Obama-is-quot-personally-insulted-quot-demolition-of-8-years&)

[mtr1979]

Other: one of the greatest presidents all time up there with Abe Lincoln and George Washington.

The Cultural Marxist control the schools, write the textbooks, control the media, the entertainment industry. They alone decide Obama's legacy. A hundred years from now in schools they will talk about how great Obama was and how he tried to change the world for the good, but evil racist republicans tried to stop him.

55 Reason Obama will go down as one of our best presidents

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/55-reasons-obama-will-go-down-as-one-of-our-best-presidents_us_57a1ffe5e4b0e2e15eb7f5f9

[enhanced_deficit]

55 Reason Obama will go down as one of our best presidents

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...obama-will-go-down-as-one-of-our-best-presidents_us_57a1ffe5e4b0e2e15eb7f5f9


Yes, great minds at HuffPo are really good at forecasting.

http://huffingtonpost.tumblr.com/post/152911951305/huffpostpolitics-huffpost-forecasts-hillary

http://66.media.tumblr.com/97cfeb21a0ff03325b5198afd05e865e/tumblr_ogc69aRP4G1s3dedgo1_500.png

[Weston White]

55 Reason Obama will go down as one of our best presidents

That article is filled to the brim with misconceptions, e.g., reproductive rights would mean one's right to conceive, the right to abort fetuses is not one in the same--see Buck v. Bell and Roe v. Wade. In any case this and so-called "gay marriage" and health care are usurpations of statehood powers.


He was unafraid to cry after the Newtown shooting tragedy:

...And he, wipes, away, one, single, tiny, invisible, tear.


He improved the formerly negative opinion of America in countries across the world.

...Right...

[AZJoe]

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user230519/imageroot/2016/12/19/Obama%20Legacy_0.JPG

[nikcers]

Funding and propping up Wahhabi style oil/war rackets in the middle east in order to undermine Russia's power in the world. Do you guys think his followers will forgive him for his noble lie? I think Trump wants to reverse this notion of warfare completely and take the world to a place it hasn't been since world war 2. I think that soon we will see wars where winner will take all. That's what Trump campaigned on, at least if you have been following him correctly over the years.

[Ender]

Have never understood the hate for Obama on the forum.

He's no Ron Paul but he's no worse than most of the preceding presidents in this century.

In fact McCain's allegations of O being too soft, probably makes him slightly better than the Bushes/Clintons/LBJs etc that most here have experienced. ;)

The country has been a political disaster since Lincoln and it is certainly time to wake up- but it would be much more productive to learn from the past and raise up and support more Ron Pauls than to live in the past with continual hate.

JMHPOV

[AZJoe]

Have never understood the hate for Obama on the forum.


This must be a joke.

I have never understood the apologists for Obama. He is indeed worse. When Bush Sr. left, I thought the successor could not be any worse. I was wrong and Clinton was. When Clinton left I thought his successor could not be worse, especially since George W. campaigned on “no nation building” and a moderately non-interventionist foreign policy by contrast. Wrong again and George W. was. When George W. left I thought his successor could not be worse, especially with Obama’s anti-war campaign talk. Wrong once again.

Obama most definitely was worse. He took the Bush doctrine, injected it with steroids and then magnified it. It became the Obama doctrine.

Sampling of Obama's Legacy:


Supported mass murder to replace an elected leftist-nationalist president in Honduras and imposed a regime of terror against the poor and indigenous population.
continue Afghanistan occupation,
continue Iraq occupation,
foster neo-nazi regime change in Ukraine and in the process converted Ukraine into a basket case,
openly hostile aggression with Russia and China,
lead a propaganda campaign against Russia;
initiate trade sanction war on Russia;
create, arm and fund jihadist rebels to overthrow Libya
and when that fails just bomb the county to smithereens leaving a wake of death and destruction, and millions impoverished and turned into refugees
both openly and surreptitiously foster and promote conflict between China and neighboring countries (i.e. Philippines)
utilize a false flag gas attack as a pretext to invade and make war on Syria
and when that is exposed create, arm, train and fund jihadi terrorists organizations to make war and destabilize Syria
illegally invade and bomb Syria
provided weapons, and logistical support for Saudi Arabia’s genocidal war on Yemen
Joined in the starvation blockade of Yemen
accelerated the buildup of his military nuclear arsenal on the frontiers of Russia.
In Latin America, Obama joined with rabid authoritarian neo-liberals in Argentina; met with the judges and politicians engineering the overthrow of the current Brazilian government; and encouraged the emerging far-rightwing regimes in Peru.
In Asia, Obama escalated a military build-up threatening China’s principle waterways, encouraged aggressive and violent separatist groupings in Hong Kong, Tibet, Xinjian and Taiwan. Meanwhile he has actively blocked China’s long-planned commercial ‘silk route’ across Myanmar and west Asia.
dragged our ‘great nation’ into more wars for longer periods of time, costing more diverse human lives and creating more desperate refugees than any previous US President, all the while polarizing and impoverishing the great mass of working Americans.
launched his drone-assassination warfare against Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Somalia and Syria.
Legalized, formalized, and normalized drone assassinations on a global scale, including the killing of American citizens without due process.
placed nuclear weapons on the Polish border with Russia, pointed at the Russian heartland.
many million Africans and Arabs have been murdered or fled on rotten boats in destitution.
The Obama regime has pursued wars of unremitting destruction. It has forged partnerships with terrorists and death squads … The imperial legacy of this ‘historic’ president is a mirage of pillage, squalor and destruction.
never closed the extra-legal prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, as he promised. Obama instead normalized indefinite detention
prosecuted more federal whistle-blowers under the Espionage Act than all previous United States presidents combined. He used the Espionage Act to destroy the lives of others who under any definition except his own would be considered political heroes.
Prosecuted Chelsea Manning for exposing war crimes in Iraq.
Imprisoned the people that exposed torture and people who allegedly leaked information to journalists
did not prosecute or discipline anyone for torturing people on behalf of the government of the United States. He did not hold any truth commissions, and ensured almost all of the significant government documents on the torture program remain classified.
did not prosecute the CIA official who willfully destroyed evidence
legitimatized the “legality” of torture secret prisons and renditions, just mere suspended their use.
worst transparency, setting a record (77 percent) for redacting government files or denying access to them in fiscal year 2014 under the Freedom of Information Act. More than any previous administration, took longer to turn over files, said more often it could not locate documents, and refused a record number of times to turn over time-sensitive files quickly
kept the NSA domestic spying secret until whistle-blower Edward Snowden exposed it.
Absent a few cosmetic changes, continued the NSA full spectrum total surveillance of Americans’ communications


.

[CaptUSA]

Forget any policy positions or legislation signed. Those will vanish or be incorporated in time.

The real legacy of the Obama Presidency is the expansion of power in the Executive branch. Not only will this not be reversed, but it will be expanded by the next and future Presidents. Obama, like Trump, had no concern for any precedents his actions may be creating. They only have the ability to think about what they want right now. Never once considering how a future President may use the power they've so carelessly given to them.

[Madison320]

Other: Helped to blow the largest financial bubble in history (10 trillion borrowed, 4 trillion trade deficit, 3.5 trillion printed, 8 years 0% interest). Since the bubble is still growing most people are unaware of its existence. Unfortunately when the bubble bursts it will be blamed entirely on Trump and capitalism.

[Ender]

This must be a joke.

I have never understood the apologists for Obama. He is indeed worse. When Bush Sr. left, I thought the successor could not be any worse. I was wrong and Clinton was. When Clinton left I thought his successor could not be worse, especially since George W. campaigned on “no nation building” and a moderately non-interventionist foreign policy by contrast. Wrong again and George W. was. When George W. left I thought his successor could not be worse, especially with Obama’s anti-war campaign talk. Wrong once again.

Obama most definitely was worse. He took the Bush doctrine, injected it with steroids and then magnified it. It became the Obama doctrine.

Sampling of Obama's Legacy:


Supported mass murder to replace an elected leftist-nationalist president in Honduras and imposed a regime of terror against the poor and indigenous population.
continue Afghanistan occupation,
continue Iraq occupation,
foster neo-nazi regime change in Ukraine and in the process converted Ukraine into a basket case,
openly hostile aggression with Russia and China,
lead a propaganda campaign against Russia;
initiate trade sanction war on Russia;
create, arm and fund jihadist rebels to overthrow Libya
and when that fails just bomb the county to smithereens leaving a wake of death and destruction, and millions impoverished and turned into refugees
both openly and surreptitiously foster and promote conflict between China and neighboring countries (i.e. Philippines)
utilize a false flag gas attack as a pretext to invade and make war on Syria
and when that is exposed create, arm, train and fund jihadi terrorists organizations to make war and destabilize Syria
illegally invade and bomb Syria
provided weapons, and logistical support for Saudi Arabia’s genocidal war on Yemen
Joined in the starvation blockade of Yemen
accelerated the buildup of his military nuclear arsenal on the frontiers of Russia. …
In Latin America, Obama joined with rabid authoritarian neo-liberals in Argentina; met with the judges and politicians engineering the overthrow of the current Brazilian government; and encouraged the emerging far-rightwing regimes in Peru …
In Asia, Obama escalated a military build-up threatening China’s principle waterways, encouraged aggressive and violent separatist groupings in Hong Kong, Tibet, Xinjian and Taiwan. Meanwhile he has actively blocked China’s long-planned commercial ‘silk route’ across Myanmar and west Asia.
dragged our ‘great nation’ into more wars for longer periods of time, costing more diverse human lives and creating more desperate refugees than any previous US President, all the while polarizing and impoverishing the great mass of working Americans.
launched his drone-assassination warfare against Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Somalia and Syria.
Legalized, formalized, and normalized drone assassinations on a global scale, including the killing of American citizens without due process …
placed nuclear weapons on the Polish border with Russia, pointed at the Russian heartland.
many million Africans and Arabs have been murdered or fled on rotten boats in destitution.
The Obama regime has pursued wars of unremitting destruction. It has forged partnerships with terrorists and death squads … The imperial legacy of this ‘historic’ president is a mirage of pillage, squalor and destruction.
never closed the extra-legal prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, as he promised. … Obama instead normalized indefinite detention
prosecuted more federal whistleblowers under the Espionage Act than all previous United States presidents combined. He used the Espionage Act to destroy the lives of others who under any definition except his own would be considered political heroes.
Prosecuted Chelsea Manning for exposing war crimes in Iraq.
Imprisoned the people that exposed torture and people who allegedly leaked information to journalists
did not prosecute or discipline anyone for torturing people on behalf of the people of the United States. He did not hold any truth commissions, and ensured almost all of the significant government documents on the torture program remain classified.
did not prosecute the CIA official who willfully destroyed [evidence]
legitimatized the “legality” of torture secret prisons and renditions, just mere suspended their use. …
worst transparency, setting a record (77 percent) for redacting government files or denying access to them in fiscal year 2014 under the Freedom of Information Act. More than any previous administration, took longer to turn over files, said more often it could not locate documents, and refused a record number of times to turn over time-sensitive files quickly
kept the NSA domestic spying secret until whistleblower Edward Snowden exposed it.
Absent a few cosmetic changes, continued the NSA full spectrum total surveillance of Americans’ communications


.

Never said Obama was an angel- however it was Bush who signed the USA PATRIOT Act enhancing law enforcement investigatory tools related to terrorism, and established the Department of Homeland Security.

Without the PA, the WoT, and the DHS, the above list would be much smaller; Obama has carried on the Bush legacy.

And, I'm pretty sure that if O had not obeyed TPTB, a couple of his children would have been "disappeared".

[enhanced_deficit]

Ender, are you suggesting he is a puppet/just following orders under threat?



Funding and propping up Wahhabi style oil/war rackets in the middle east in order to undermine Russia's power in the world.

If you are saying Obama financed/propped up jihadi radical groups like ISIS, that was a huge mistake right?

[nikcers]

Ender, are you suggesting he is a puppet/just following orders under threat?




If you are saying Obama financed/propped up jihadi radical groups like ISIS, that was a huge mistake right? According to Kissinger this was a huge mistake, he called it pulling out of international politics and the neocons called it leading from behind. I think alternately Mitt Romney would of toppled Assad and allowed Isis to come in. It's okay though Trump agrees with Kissinger on this though, and we will go take out Iran, and we'll call it a favor for Putin who doesn't like that regime. Trump will then try to come in to take the oil. Putin doesn't seem to care about oil if he can get us to print money for wars we can't pay for, Russia just keeps buying vast amounts of gold while the US and China escalate trade wars.

[enhanced_deficit]

According to Kissinger this was a huge mistake, he called it pulling out of international politics and the neocons called it leading from behind. I think alternately Mitt Romney would of toppled Assad and allowed Isis to come in. It's okay though Trump agrees with Kissinger on this though, and we will go take out Iran, and we'll call it a favor for Putin who doesn't like that regime. Trump will then try to come in to take the oil. Putin doesn't seem to care about oil if he can get us to print money for wars we can't pay for, Russia just keeps buying vast amounts of gold while the US and China escalate trade wars.

EM.
The guy whose legacy is being discussed here has zero mention in this post :-)

Was trying to understand your view about Obama's legacy. I'm sure there will be polls about Trump's, Romney's Presidential legacies once those materialize.

[Weston White]

It's not like he went out a limb to tell the CIA and Navy SEALs to find Bin Laden and kill him. Obama didn't do anything that any other person wouldn't have done. He didn't really have any other choice. Now he did have a choice one whether or not to bomb kids, and he made the wrong choice.

Not if you ask Madeleine Albright.

[Natural Citizen]

I don't even think Obama is going to have a legacy.

[angelatc]

I think OBama's legacy will be as the president who ushered in socialized medicine

[timosman]

I think OBama's legacy will be as the president who tried to ushered in socialized medicine

FTFY

[Dr.No.]

Never said Obama was an angel- however it was Bush who signed the USA PATRIOT Act enhancing law enforcement investigatory tools related to terrorism, and established the Department of Homeland Security.

Without the PA, the WoT, and the DHS, the above list would be much smaller; Obama has carried on the Bush legacy.

And, I'm pretty sure that if O had not obeyed TPTB, a couple of his children would have been "disappeared".

Except that Obama ran on being different. Change...and a lot of his support was based on his fresh foreign policy. Every single candidate save for Paul, Obama, and that other guy was explicitly for expanding what Bush had done.

Obama completely betrayed his promises. Even worse, he was allowed to get away with it since he was a Democrat. The Republicans never called him on it because 95% love wars and torture while spitting on civil liberties. The Democrats who had been so vocally against Bush WOT were silenced because "their guy" was doing it.

[Ender]

Except that Obama ran on being different. Change...and a lot of his support was based on his fresh foreign policy. Every single candidate save for Paul, Obama, and that other guy was explicitly for expanding what Bush had done.

Obama completely betrayed his promises. Even worse, he was allowed to get away with it since he was a Democrat. The Republicans never called him on it because 95% love wars and torture while spitting on civil liberties. The Democrats who had been so vocally against Bush WOT were silenced because "their guy" was doing it.

Same with Reagan, Dude, and when he did go off the mark, he was met with a bullet.

[timosman]

Same with Reagan, Dude, and when he did go off the mark, he was met with a bullet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAJT77FSvxs

[jllundqu]

I thought Obama was the perfect president! I voted all the positive choices for Obama.... to ruin this stupid freaking poll. :Eyeroll:

Who here honestly thinks Obama was honest, good on economy, etc etc.?

[Todd]

how about the option doubling the defict from 10 trillion to almost 20.

[enhanced_deficit]

how about the option doubling the defict from 10 trillion to almost 20.


Other: Helped to blow the largest financial bubble in history (10 trillion borrowed, 4 trillion trade deficit, 3.5 trillion printed, 8 years 0% interest). Since the bubble is still growing most people are unaware of its existence. Unfortunately when the bubble bursts it will be blamed entirely on Trump and capitalism.


Enhanced Deficit should have been a separate option on second thought.



https://sasoc.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/national-debt-under-obama1.jpg?w=500

[timosman]

how about the option doubling the defict from 10 trillion to almost 20.

Doubling the deficit in 8 years is par for the course.

[Madison320]

Doubling the deficit in 8 years is par for the course.

I think the biggest problem with the debt is that we've reached the point where it's IMPOSSIBLE to raise rates significantly without defaulting.

[timosman]

I think the biggest problem with the debt is that we've reached the point where it's IMPOSSIBLE to raise rates significantly without defaulting.

For situations like this there are always the negative interest rates and sorry kiddo, you will have to run a little bit faster now. :rolleyes:

[Ender]

For situations like this there are always the negative interest rates and sorry kiddo, you will have to run a little bit faster now. :rolleyes:

Of course we could end the FED, get rid of fractional banking, bring back the gold standard, get rid of stupid regulations, and stop bombing other countries- but, hey- what do I know?

[timosman]

Of course we could end the FED, get rid of fractional banking, bring back the gold standard, get rid of stupid regulations, and stop bombing other countries- but, hey- what do I know?

This is crazy talk. It is better to suffer in perpetuity.

[Ender]

This is crazy talk.

I know- bad, BAD Ender!

Back to gaming. :p

[timosman]

I know- bad, BAD Ender!

Back to gaming. :p

That's right. You should concentrate on things you are good at. Leave the economy to the experts. I am sure they will come up with a solution soon.

[Ender]

That's right. You should concentrate on things you are good at. Leave the economy to the experts. I am sure they will come up with a solution soon.

You're right- back to Battlefield 1- although I do have a soft spot for Zelda. ;)

[osan]

How about:

http://www.memepile.com/pics/6556-o.png

Look at Obammy's expression. It endlessly reminds me of this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sJqTDaOrTg

[bunklocoempire]

Wear pajamas,
drink hot chocolate,
drone/murder innocents.

[enhanced_deficit]

How about:

http://www.memepile.com/pics/6556-o.png


Not a fan of SWC but to be fair he had very responsible parents and he was not a mistake.

[euphemia]

I checked other. Besides being an epic failure as a President, Obama has made a habit of throwing his friends under the bus. I think they will not be warmly received by Washington society, and they will end up with almost no friends.

[AZJoe]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15895137_10154331851475197_974187366305067349_n.pn g?oh=ebaf6ab64021042343b335ec5ea82fb6&oe=58E2A872

[enhanced_deficit]

USA DROPPED 26,171 BOMBS IN 2016... (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article124842824.html)

What Obama won't tell you about his legacy... (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-rest-of-the-story-what-obama-wont-tell-you-about-his-legacy-2017-01-05)

http://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/obama-2nd-nobel.jpg

[enhanced_deficit]

There just not enough voting options in this poll, Freedom Spreading in Benghazi Libya would be another key legacy:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Di0rb8opQlM/Tl9yiYPJUgI/AAAAAAAADAo/GPH6aVe389E/s1600/kristof.png






Related
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/buttons/firstnew.png (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?487420-Who-is-behind-creation-of-ISIS&goto=newpost) http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/poll_posticon.gif Poll: Who is behind creation of ISIS? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?487420-Who-is-behind-creation-of-ISIS&)

[AZJoe]

Will it be the latest Operation Sabotage?

http://s3.legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Lame-Duck-Fuse-594x425.jpg

[KrokHead]

Sadly most liberals will remember Obama as the best president in history, and incredibly shrewd.

Sadly most conservatives will remember Obama as the cause of all the world's problems. (Despite the fact they were from W. Bush.)

Obama in reality was a pretty reasonable man, but only his laziness exceeded his reasonableness. Him getting little done after his first 100 days, especially after his cult of personality was at its peak, was indicative of who he was. If he truly wanted to transform this country to a Socialist paradise and redistribute wealth he was truly too lazy, too politically inexperienced, and not intelligent enough to do it.

I'll give Obama credit for trying (operative word is trying) to be a president for all Americans. Too bad he was shit on foreign policy, tacitly destabilizing countries while playing peacenik. (All while playing ignorant/stupid, unless he was actually ignorant and stupid.) Murika at its finest.

[enhanced_deficit]

JW is not peoud of O's legacy:


James Woods on Obama: He’s the ‘gift from hell’ (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?428515-James-Woods-on-Obama-He%92s-the-%91gift-from-hell%92&p=5237854&viewfull=1#post5237854)
September 12, 2013



http://media.washtimes.com/media/image/2013/09/04/9_4_2013_ap1202290336308201_s160x116.jpg?6245d4b98 1be5c0dbf526a2ddfd2c5ef89877976 (http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/image/9_4_2013_ap1202290336308201jpg/)


The latest came this week, in response to a report from British press that revealed the National Security Agency commonly provides Israel with intelligence data — without first stripping out private and personal information on American citizens. The Guardian in London reported the item, the latest in its coverage of document leaks from Edward Snowden.








Sadly most liberals will remember Obama as the best president in history, and incredibly shrewd.
...

I don't know any liberal who sees his presidency as the best in history.. are you sure you are not confusng Neocons/Professional Dems with ideological Liberals ?

Cornel West: Obama a 'war criminal' - POLITICO
www.politico.com/story/2013/02/cornel-west-obama-a-war-criminal-087702
Feb 15, 2013 - Professor Cornel West continues to be an outspoken critic of Barack Obama, this time likening the president to a “war criminal.”

Cornel West Calls Obama a 'War Criminal' That Kills Children - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8HWy90_jSo
▶ 0:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8HWy90_jSo
Aug 4, 2014




Nader: Obama's a 'war criminal' - POLITICO
www.politico.com/story/2012/09/nader-obamas-a-war-criminal-081649
Sep 25, 2012 - It's no surprise that Ralph Nader isn't a fan of former President ... On issues related to the military and foreign policy, Obama's worse than Bush

Bill Ayers: Try Obama for war crimes | TheHill
Jun 18, 2013 - Bill Ayers believes President Obama should be put on trial for war crimes at The Hague

[enhanced_deficit]

It's not just civilian population majority that saw him as dishonest and untrustworthy (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?433586-Majority-of-Americans-now-believe-Obama-is-quot-dishonest-and-untrustworthy), majority of US troops have an unfavorable view of their commander-in-chief:



The Obama era is over. Here's how the military rates his legacy

By: Leo Shane III and George R. Altman, January 8, 2017

More than half of troops surveyed in the latest Military Times/Institute for Veterans and Military Families poll said they have an unfavorable opinion of Obama and his two-terms leading the military. About 36 percent said they approve of his job as commander in chief.


Click here to view the original image of 799x2605px.
http://snagfilms-a.akamaihd.net/b3/5e/6ae25d81453d9f1501b43656c259/obama-poll-graphic-1.jpg

The White House did not respond to repeated requests for an interview with Obama to discuss his defense moves and the military legacy he’ll leave behind.

http://www.militarytimes.com/article...egacy-military (http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/obama-legacy-military)






Related

Trump: Clinton, Obama 'created ISIS' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?487644-Trump-Clinton-Obama-created-ISIS&)

[Suzanimal]

Obama defends legacy in letter to American people

Washington (AFP) - US President Barack Obama acclaimed his outgoing administration's accomplishments on Thursday in a letter to the American people defending a legacy on health care and other issues that his successor Donald Trump has vowed to dismantle.

The White House released the president's letter along with reports from each of his cabinet secretaries describing the progress made since Obama took office eight years ago with the world's largest economy spiralling towards depression.

"As I prepare to pass the baton and do my part as a private citizen, I'm proud to say that we have laid a new foundation for America," he said.

He cited the turn-around in the US economy, the scaled back military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, a sharply reduced dependence on foreign oil, and the Paris climate agreement as among his administration's important accomplishments.

But near the top of his list was the Affordable Care Act, the signature health care reform that Democrat Obama prizes and Republican Trump has vowed to ditch.

Obama has launched a parting offensive to try to save it, making a rare visit to Congress on Wednesday to rally Democrats for what is shaping up as the first major fight of the next administration.

Vice President-elect Mike Pence made his own trip to Capitol Hill to strategize with Republicans, who control the House and Senate and will have the White House as well once Trump takes office on January 20.

"The first order of business is to repeal and replace Obamacare," Pence told reporters:rolleyes: in the US Capitol shortly after meeting with House Republicans.

Trump himself has cautioned against over-hasty action.

"Republicans must be careful in that the Dems own the failed ObamaCare disaster," the president-elect said on Twitter, warning Republicans to allow it to "fall of its own weight".

In his letter, Obama argued that the United States has "begun the long task of reversing inequality".

"What won't help is taking health care away from 30 million Americans, most of them white and working class; denying overtime pay to workers, most of whom have more than earned it; or privatizing Medicare and Social Security and letting Wall Street regulate itself again -- none of which middle-class Americans voted for."
(I don't recall voting for any of this shit)

Obama's reforms came under fire during the US presidential campaign as insurance premiums rose and some major insurers backed out of the state markets created under the law.

...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-defends-legacy-letter-american-people-111043470.html

[Suzanimal]

Here's How Many Bombs Obama Dropped In 2016

Seven years after being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples," despite having been in office for less than one year and having pretty much no actual, tangible foreign diplomacy accomplishments at the time, President Obama will depart the White House having dropped 26,171 bombs on foreign countries around the world in 2016, 3,027 more than 2015.

According to an analysis of Defense Department data from the Council on Foreign Relations, a non-partisan think tank, the majority of Obama's 2016 bombs were dropped on Syria and Iraq. Meanwhile, Afghanistan, a country President Obama vowed U.S. troops would evacuate completely by the end of his Presidency, was also bombed over 1,300 times, a 40% increase over 2015. Per McClatchy DC:

The U.S. dropped 79 percent of the anti-Islamic State group coalition bombs in Syria and Iraq, totaling 24,287. That figure, along with others analyzed by CFR, is likely lower than the actual number dropped because one airstrike can involved multiple bombs.

Obama did authorize a troop surge in Afghanistan — a conflict he pledged to end during his campaign — where the U.S. dropped 1,337 bombs in 2016. There are currently 8,400 U.S. troops left in the country, more than Obama initially wanted to keep there at the end of his term. The U.S. only dropped 947 bombs in Afghanistan in 2015.

The U.S. also dropped more bombs in Libya in 2016 than it did in 2015. Nearly 500 bombs were dropped in the North African country that has essentially been ungoverned since the fall of dictator Muammar Gaddafi in 2011. He was captured and killed during the Libyan Civil War, kicked off by the Arab Spring protests that also began the Syrian conflict.

http://i.imgur.com/SuWiBkq.jpg


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-06/heres-how-many-bombs-obama-dropped-2016



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17lkdqoLt44

[AZJoe]

https://scontent.fsnc1-5.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15873100_717163665075338_286631908508812216_n.jpg? oh=55a0e77eec64eec27d1faf9972e5da96&oe=5919514A

[enhanced_deficit]

It appears legacy is taking a serious blow this week:


House takes major step toward Obamacare repeal (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/house-budget-obamacare-repeal-233589)


Politico
- ‎1 hour ago‎


The House passed a budget Friday that paves the way for repeal of Obamacare - giving GOP leaders a big early win and dealing a huge blow to outgoing President Barack Obama.



Related

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/11/23/20161129_obama.jpg


Obama angrily berates black caucus: You 'insult' my legacy if you don't turn out for Clinton (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?501222-Obama-angrily-berates-black-caucus-You-insult-my-legacy-if-you-don-t-turn-out-for-Clinton&)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmdICjVUIWc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmdICjVUIWc

[AZJoe]

http://russia-insider.com/sites/insider/files/Treason-and-America%25E2%2580%2599s-final-Destruction.jpg

http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/obama-war1-300x192.jpg

[enhanced_deficit]

http://russia-insider.com/sites/insider/files/Treason-and-America%25E2%2580%2599s-final-Destruction.jpg

http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/obama-war1-300x192.jpg



Did Chinese billionaire Jack Ma just hinted that Obama and Bush were stupids? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506514-Did-Chinese-billionaire-Jack-Ma-just-hinted-that-Obama-and-Bush-were-stupids&)

[CaptainAmerica]

Malcom X would have a name for him that is considered inappopriate in our era. Barrack Obama pretended to be all about civil "rights", but the only right he believes in is colors of skin, and he divided this nation in many ways with his agendas both foreign and domestic. He protected the american banking cartel slave system, the caste system...he is employed by.

[CaptainAmerica]

I don't expect the military to even comprehend upon fresh enlistment that they are slaves.

[enhanced_deficit]

Malcom X would have a name for him that is considered inappopriate in our era. Barrack Obama pretended to be all about civil "rights", but the only right he believes in is colors of skin, and he divided this nation in many ways with his agendas both foreign and domestic. He protected the american banking cartel slave system, the caste system...he is employed by.

I'm guessing that would be some term like 'political slave'.

[enhanced_deficit]

Obama’s Wasted, Deadly, and Destructive Presidency (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506541-Obama%E2%80%99s-Wasted-Deadly-and-Destructive-Presidency&)

[enhanced_deficit]

Obama: A Legacy of Ashes (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506607-Obama-A-Legacy-of-Ashes&)

[enhanced_deficit]

This was not a voting option.





Leading From Behind
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RwdLdQxhZGk/Swai4nbwJsI/AAAAAAAAFgA/UHAwG3QyVWU/s1600/obamabowsaudi.jpg

[CaptainAmerica]

I'm guessing that would be some term like 'political slave'.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TE3WYUVj4U

[Zippyjuan]

https://scontent.fsnc1-5.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15873100_717163665075338_286631908508812216_n.jpg? oh=55a0e77eec64eec27d1faf9972e5da96&oe=5919514A

FDR beat that.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/america-war-93-time-222-239-years-since-1776.html


America Has Been At War 93% of the Time – 222 Out of 239 Years – Since 1776


* Pick any year since 1776 and there is about a 91% chance that America was involved in some war during that calendar year.

* No U.S. president truly qualifies as a peacetime president. Instead, all U.S. presidents can technically be considered “war presidents.”

* The U.S. has never gone a decade without war.

* The only time the U.S. went five years without war (1935-40) was during the isolationist period of the Great Depression.

[AZJoe]

FDR beat that.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/america-war-93-time-222-239-years-since-1776.html

Nice try Zip, but Obama beats even FDR. FDR was president from 1933-1945. From the same website Zippy cites, US was at war 7 of those year, less than Obama and certainly not every day he was in office.



1933 – Banana Wars
1934 – Banana Wars
1935 – No major war
1936 – No major war
1937 – No major war
1938 – No major war
1939 – No major war
1940 – No major war
1941 – World War II
1942 – World War II
1943 – Wold War II
1944 – World War II
1945 – World War II

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

FDR beat that.



Neg rep. Purposely posting contrary information that is false.

[Zippyjuan]

The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were started long before he took office. True they did not end but troops in active combat zones were over 150,000 when he took office - and are down to about 14,000. Not zero but a significant reduction. http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obama-at-war/

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were started long before he took office. True they did not end but troops in active combat zones were over 150,000 when he took office - and are down to about 14,000. Not zero but a significant reduction. http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obama-at-war/



Didn't you vote for Obama? Twice?

[MelissaCato]

Other. I'd say the best gun salesman.

[staerker]

Neg rep. Purposely posting contrary information that is false.

That's what forum trolls do, after all.

[Ender]

Nice try Zip, but Obama beats even FDR. FDR was president from 1933-1945. From the same website Zippy cites, US was at war 7 of those year, less than Obama and certainly not every day he was in office.

FDR also tricked US citizens into WWII- Obama carried on what was already there.

[Zippyjuan]

Didn't you vote for Obama? Twice?

I said I voted seven times for him. Obviously lying.

[timosman]

I said I voted seven times for him. Obviously lying.

You are as clear as mud. Did they install the new software version they promised you a few months back? It is not looking good the way it is now. :rolleyes:

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I said I voted seven times for him. Obviously lying.


Neg rep!

[enhanced_deficit]

The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were started long before he took office. True they did not end but troops in active combat zones were over 150,000 when he took office - and are down to about 14,000. Not zero but a significant reduction. http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obama-at-war/

The 12-Year War: 73% of U.S. Casualties in Afghanistan Occured on Obama's Watch (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?427493-The-12-Year-War-73-of-U-S-Casualties-in-Afghanistan-on-Obama-s-Watch&p=5221296#post5221296)

Iraq/Afghanistan wars disabled 624,000 US troops , Divorces up 42%, Foreclosures up 217% (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?424803-Iraq-Afghanistan-wars-disabled-624-000-US-troops-Divorces-up-42-Foreclosures-up-217&)

[enhanced_deficit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TE3WYUVj4U

You were right, that would be very controversial in present age.
Just guesssing, Obama probably would not agree with Malcolm on this.

[AZJoe]

https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16115003_694129664083240_740191853736931580_n.jpg? oh=771e486d9c5c3a022b62d98087ffe68b&oe=5912C040

[enhanced_deficit]

That is cold.


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TRUMP: OBAMA FOUNDED ISIS
http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/donald-trump-obama-isis-1.gif
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AgAKtqBeXEE/Vg2zlzT_rcI/AAAAAAAABxw/QoouNADBtk0/s1600/Obama_pullin_ISIS_mask.png












(https://twitter.com/ofthehighest)

[timosman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TE3WYUVj4U


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3tr0J4Vq8o

[CaptainAmerica]

I'm guessing that would be some term like 'political slave'.

Yes, you're closer to understanding it than previous responses. It basically means that the house black man is a sort of gate keeper for the master to go out there and get the slaves in the field to obey, and to fall in line , if they run away the house black man goes out and finds them and tells them to come back and fall in line. Same thing....barrack obama is not for anyone,he doesnt care about white or black or brown etc...hes all about corporate greed, he acts like he cares about people by playing the "civil rights" leader card, but hes really just a house black man who rounds up people and tells them to fall in line and obey.

[RestorationOfLiberty]

The last Hurrah of leftism.

Giving us the Alt Right

Giving us Trump`s 2 terms.

[AZJoe]

http://www.naturalnews.com/images/Obama-Destruction-of-America.jpg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyLmru6no4U

[shakey1]

Winning the peace prize & doing the opposite.

https://d1ai9qtk9p41kl.cloudfront.net/assets/db/14816658398920.jpg

[enhanced_deficit]

Crazy conspiracy theories would be another enduring part of his legacy, US News had covered one of those. Trump covered few others regarding ISIS and DGP:



Was President Obama Fake Crying?

When psychopaths cry… From the book "The Body Language of Liars" #CrocodileTears #rednationrising #tcot #lnyhbthttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYAdV1nWAAAbjsc.jpg




http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...control-speech (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016/01/06/was-president-obama-fake-crying-during-gun-control-speech)





Yes, you're closer to understanding it than previous responses. It basically means that the house black man is a sort of gate keeper for the master to go out there and get the slaves in the field to obey, and to fall in line , if they run away the house black man goes out and finds them and tells them to come back and fall in line. Same thing....barrack obama is not for anyone,he doesnt care about white or black or brown etc...hes all about corporate greed, he acts like he cares about people by playing the "civil rights" leader card, but hes really just a house black man who rounds up people and tells them to fall in line and obey.

That is damning charge,have not seen such analogy used about DGP often, think Ralph Nader may have called him Uncle-T.
Ironically some left wingers had used similar terms for Herman Cain of GOP.

[enhanced_deficit]

http://www.naturalnews.com/images/Obama-Destruction-of-America.jpg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyLmru6no4U

To be fair, he is consistent in his contradictions.



Winning the peace prize & doing the opposite.

https://d1ai9qtk9p41kl.cloudfront.net/assets/db/14816658398920.jpg

Ok, would concede that he was sorta con man.

https://matrixbob.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/drones-by-obama.jpg

[enhanced_deficit]

End of DNC.

Leftover DNC is having painful discussions:

Obama's party-building legacy splits Democrats

Party officials are having a painful discussion about the state and local losses that occurred on his watch

By Gabriel Debenedetti

02/09/17

A painful Democratic rift over Barack Obama’s political legacy is finally bursting into the open.
For years, the former president’s popularity among Democrats stifled any public critiques of his stewardship of the party — a period in which the party suffered tremendous losses at the state and local levels.



But now that Obama and the political operation that succeeded his campaign, Organizing For Action, have expressed interest in playing a role in the task of rebuilding, it’s sparking pitched debates over how much blame he deserves for the gradual hollowing out of a party that now has less control of state-elected positions than at any other time in nearly a century.


“I have not been briefed on the future of OFA and the president’s involvement,” said Donna Brazile, the DNC chair.
And that silence is what alarms Democrats who resentfully remember a president who for years couldn’t be bothered to replace then-DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, even aftershe became a source of intraparty controversy. They recall a commander in chief whose campaign was seen by state party officials as circumventing them, rather than working with them. And they think back to a party leader who didn’t want to get too closely involved in governor’s races ahead of 2010’s redistricting, which many of them say is a reason for Democrats’ state-level bloodbath in the ensuing years.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/obama-democrats-party-building-234820

[enhanced_deficit]

http://blacknewsexaminer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/king-obama-drones.jpg

To be devil's advocate, some neocons had said he created many jobs in weapons/bombs making industries.

[enhanced_deficit]

Winning the peace prize & doing the opposite.

https://d1ai9qtk9p41kl.cloudfront.net/assets/db/14816658398920.jpg


And drawing the "red lines", left and right.
So many gifts he left behind.


http://www.whatamimissinghere.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/136458_600-515x337.jpg



http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/b/1/6/One-More-Red-Line-to-Go.jpg

[Ender]

I think this is appropriate on this thread:



The Conservative Christian Lie about Obama and the Military

By Laurence M. Vance

February 14, 2017

That the presidency of Barack Hussein Obama was an “obomination” there is no question. During his presidency I wrote of his radical associations, his life spent in the service of racial preference, his aberrant Christianity, his cultural Marxism, his dictatorial ambitions, his warmongering and militarism, his “signature health care law,” and his desire to further redistribute Americans’ wealth.

It would be hard for Obama’s record to be any worse than it is. Yet, some people still feel the need to lie about Obama’s record. Obama’s actions were so bad and so bad so often that it is incredible that anyone would have to resort to lies about Obama in order to impugn him.

Especially when the liars are conservative Christians.

I get a lot of e-mails from conservative organizations, many of them Christian ones. In a recent e-mail I received mention was made about welcome changes that President Trump has made, including “an order to rebuild the U.S. military, which has been devastated by eight years of the Obama administration.”

Physical Gold & Silver in your IRA. Get the Facts.

If the author had said that the military was devastated by Obama because of women in combat, the observance of LGBT Pride Month, homosexuals allowed to serve openly, or the military paying for gender-confused soldiers to take hormones, then I would agree with him. But the author has swallowed hook, line, and sinker the lie—peddled by the Heritage Foundation and other conservative lovers of the military—that the military must be rebuilt because Obama has gutted it. War, Empire, and the M... Laurence M. Vance Best Price: $16.00 Buy New $13.54

This is something that must be addressed because it is an opinion shared by many conservative Christian lovers of, defenders of, and apologists for, the U.S. military.

Back in 2009, I pointed out that Obama’s first defense budget (for fiscal year 2010, which began on Oct. 1, 2009) was $20 billion higher than Bush’s last defense budget. Obama’s first defense budget was said by then-Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to provide “the balance necessary to institutionalize and finance our capabilities to fight the wars we are in today and the scenarios we are most likely to face in the years ahead, while at the same time providing a hedge against other risks and contingencies.”

From the Historical Tables of the official Budget of the United States, here are the outlays for defense for the eight budgets of George W. Bush and the eight budgets of Barack Obama:

Fiscal year Defense Spending in millions

2002 $348,456
2003 $404,733
2004 $455,813
2005 $495,294
2006 $521,820
2007 $551,258
2008 $616,066
2009 $661,012
2010 $693,485
2011 $705,554
2012 $677,852
2013 $633,446
2014 $603,457
2015 $589,564
2016 $604,452
2017 $616,981

The DOD is currently spending over $600 billion a year. I wish I were that devastated!

But regardless of the amount of money the U.S. government spends on defense, it needs to be pointed out that it is Congress that ultimately determines how much will be spent on defense every year. Republicans have controlled the House for the last six years of Obama’s presidency and the Senate for the last two years. Since defense spending has decreased since fiscal year 2011, shouldn’t Republicans be criticized for “devastating” the military?

Conservative Christians are so devoted to the military that it has clouded their judgment and led them to hold unholy opinions. War, Christianity, and... Laurence M. Vance Best Price: $15.37 Buy New $19.95

The association they have with the conservative movement is unholy. The admiration they have for the military is unholy. The thirst they have for war is unholy. The callous attitude they have toward killing foreigners is unholy. The idolatry they manifest toward the state (when it is controlled by Republicans) is unholy.

The U.S. military spends almost as much on defense as the rest of the world combined. The military budget needs to be cut, not increased. Too bad Obama didn’t devastate the military.

I have not addressed the fact that real defense spending, as pointed out by economist Robert Higgs, is over a trillion dollars a year and should have nothing to do with GDP.

And neither have I touched on the topics of the U.S. military being a force for evil in the world, the U.S. military undertaking much more offense than defense, and the U.S. military being an unholy institution that Christians should avoid like the plague. These subjects I have written about numerous times in hundreds of articles, many of which are collected in the books War, Christianity, and the State and War, Empire, and the Military.

If Obama has devastated the military in any way it is because he continued and escalated the senseless wars began by George W. Bush.

Hey Christians: Put away lying (Ephesians 4:25). “Thou shalt not bear false witness”—even against Obama.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/02/laurence-m-vance/stop-lying-conservative-christians/

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I think this is appropriate on this thread:


The Conservative Christian Lie about Obama and the Military

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/02/laurence-m-vance/stop-lying-conservative-christians/


It could be appropriate here considering that Obama put such lairs in their place by being an examplary honest leader whose word was gold. A shining star of truth telling who unfortunately was drowning in others lies about him.

Amazing legacy of truthful laedership and strong chararcter.





Un-related

http://onecitizenspeaking.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d3b569e2017c32ce328a970b-pi (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=gdiamSd9oIOdvM&tbnid=TmW8T8l1dNhOhM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.onecitizenspeaking.com%2F2012 %2F10%2Fobama-lies-and-then-calls-others-liars.html&ei=XEqKUuD_MIey4APKyICgDA&bvm=bv.56643336,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNFqEYHGDb-Yofqchks_Nb1lFCSV9Q&ust=1384880668674940)http://www.politisite.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/YOU-LIE-Obama-250x162.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=Za8nxe_yKV-FxM&tbnid=SYUxAiZwiczWOM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politisite.com%2F2013%2F10%2F 28%2Fobama-if-i-like-your-health-care-plan-you-can-keep-it-period%2F&ei=fFiKUpiiDZG44AOroIHwCQ&bvm=bv.56643336,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNHlqga6WyeuEOERLpFXrEiNLJh_Xw&ust=1384884572386525)

Majority of Americans now believe Obama is "dishonest and untrustworthy" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?433586-Majority-of-Americans-now-believe-Obama-is-quot-dishonest-and-untrustworthy-quot&)

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It could be appropriate here considering that Obama put such lairs in their place by being an examplary honest leader whose word was gold. A shining star of truth telling who unfortunately was drowning in others lies about him.

Amazing legacy of truthful laedership and strong chararcter.


So, the last honest president we had was..........?

Bueller? Bueller?

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So considering that Trump has already ordered drone strikes, how many does he need to fire off before Enhanced Deficit realizes his Obama fixation is pathological as well as hypocritical?

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So, the last honest president we had was..........?

Bueller? Bueller?

If you are suggesting all President's lie... then being a lying crook should not a be distinctive legacy for DGP... it's not really a legacy of it has always been there.

Are we then left with just things like "drone war" and 'Obamacare" as main legacy items that are new.

Obama's War Crimes: The U.S. Drone War (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?391485-Obama-s-War-Crimes-The-U-S-Drone-War&)

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https://i.imgur.com/McPKhnV.png

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https://socialismisnottheanswer.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/obama-liar-liar.jpeg?w=407&h=555


https://i.imgur.com/McPKhnV.png

If we have to show emperor's clothes , shouldn't both be giveb some type of drum as cover.

https://ronetlcnaptown.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/obama.jpg?w=277&quality=100&strip=all&h=300


Unless you are claiming that DGP has clothes but DJT doesn't?
(https://tlcnaptown.hellobeautiful.com/2225915/ny-post-cover-of-president-obama-naked/)

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If we have to show emperor's clothes , shouldn't both be giveb some type of drum as cover.

https://ronetlcnaptown.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/obama.jpg?w=277&quality=100&strip=all&h=300


Unless you are claiming that DGP has clothes but DJT doesn't?
(https://tlcnaptown.hellobeautiful.com/2225915/ny-post-cover-of-president-obama-naked/)

Yet your abnormal obsession is only with one, and not the other.

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If you ever studied comtemporary history, you would know that 8 years history has much more material than couple of weeks' history.

rpfocs, do you see DGP was a war criminal with established track record?

If so, after how many days/weeks, you think such serious crimes should no longer be talked about?


Hope you are not like those geniuses who had awarded DGP "Nobel Peace Prize" after seeing few days of track record.

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If you ever studied comtemporary history, you would know that 8 years history has much more material than couple of weeks' history.

rpfocs, do you see DGP was a war criminal with established track record?

If so, after how many days/weeks, you think such serious crimes should no longer be talked about?


Hope you are not like those geniuses who had awarded DGP "Nobel Peace Prize" after seeing few days of track record.

I think O's NPP is widely recognized as unwarranted, and I personally don't believe he deserved to win it. I think our definition of 'war criminal' is probably different, as you make no mention of the Bush Family (AKA War Inc.) yet seem obsessed with Obama. I would think that if you were truly concerned about 'war criminals' and the actions of the MIC, you would have a much larger scope for blame. Your zeal comes off as hypocritical and strange. Given that Trump 2 weeks in office has already resulted in drone strikes, do you expect a reduction in drone strikes under Trump? Remember, Trump is the person who campaigned on *greatly expanding* the MIC. What do you expect he would do with the much larger military he wants to build? NOT use it?

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If you are suggesting all President's lie... then being a lying crook should not a be distinctive legacy for DGP... it's not really a legacy of it has always been there.

Are we then left with just things like "drone war" and 'Obamacare" as main legacy items that are new.

Obama's War Crimes: The U.S. Drone War (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?391485-Obama-s-War-Crimes-The-U-S-Drone-War&)

Know much about FDR?

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DGP is humbled over this legacy award:

Barack Obama‏Verified account @BarackObama
Barack Obama Retweeted JFK Library
Humbled to be recognized by a family with a legacy of service. Who's your #ProfileInCourage?

JFK LibraryVerified account @JFKLibrary
And the winner of the 2017 #ProfileInCourage Award is… http://profileincourageaward.org/obama
7:22 AM - 2 Mar 2017






Obama Awarded JFK Medal of Courage after Eight Years of War and Drone Bombings

By Isaac Davis
March 09, 2017

http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/obama-drones.jpg

Former U.S. President Barack Obama was just named the 2017 recipient of the John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award, “the most prestigious award for public servants.” Named after JFK’s 1957 book, Profiles in Courage, it is awarded annually by the John F. Kennedy Library Foundation to “public servants who have made courageous decisions of conscience without regard for the personal or professional consequences.”

Obama will receive this award for his efforts in promoting democratic principles in the face of severe political opposition by members of Congress and a divided national political body.
Faced with unrelenting political opposition, President Obama has embodied the definition of courage that my grandfather cites in the opening lines of ‘Profiles in Courage’: grace under pressure,” Schlossberg said. “Throughout his two terms in office, he represented all Americans with decency, integrity, and an unshakeable commitment to the greater good.”
Obama is being recognized for “his enduring commitment to democratic ideals and elevating the standard of political courage in a new century,” the foundation said, citing the expansion of health care options for millions, restoring diplomatic relations with Cuba and leadership on an international climate change agreement. [Source (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/barack-obama-named-recipient-jfk-profile-courage-award-n728206)]



Of course, Mr. Obama is humbled, as he should be; however, an award like this gives pause for those who wonder why so much of Obama’s legacy of war, military adventurism, surveillance, and indiscriminate drone bombings of Middle Eastern and African people is so under-represented in conversation about the merits of his eight-year tenure as president.

Obama – 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner

In 2009, then President Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his actions in the first year of his presidency including the “promotion of nuclear nonproliferation and a ‘new climate’ in international relations fostered by Obama, especially in reaching out to the Muslim world.” When the Nobel Prize was announced, many on both sides of the political spectrum rightfully thought it was a joke at first, and as Obama’s presidency ground on, it became absolutely clear that while although Obama was indeed a charismatic, charming, and visually appealing president, he in no way was concerned with halting U.S. imperialism or even slowing down the infamous drone bombings which have killed thousands of innocent people, including women and children.

The Nobel Peace Prize, and now the JFK Profile in Courage Award, are indeed jokes because Obama has never been a true supporter of democracy, liberty, or even peace.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-awarded-jfk-medal-of-courage-after-eight-years-of-war-and-drone-bombings/5578117

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWejiXvd-P8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KURd2NjwASE


http://i.imgur.com/MSOV2Nr.jpg

Related:
Trump gives CIA power to launch drone strikes: report (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?508600-Trump-gives-CIA-power-to-launch-drone-strikes-report)

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Kucinich: I Was Wiretapped As A Congressman, Obama's wars created these refugees (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?508560-Kucinich-I-Was-Wiretapped-As-A-Congressman-Obama-s-wars-created-these-refugees&)




TRUMP: OBAMA FOUNDED ISIS
http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/donald-trump-obama-isis-1.gif
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AgAKtqBeXEE/Vg2zlzT_rcI/AAAAAAAABxw/QoouNADBtk0/s1600/Obama_pullin_ISIS_mask.png




http://i.imgur.com/uxJvRhy.jpg

What do you miss about him?