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AuH20
11-09-2016, 07:09 PM
http://heatst.com/politics/kremlin-clinton-victory-would-have-led-to-world-war-3-between-russia-and-the-us/


Putin’s advisor Sergei Glaziev went as far as to officially suggest that Trump’s victory saved the world from WW3. “Americans had two choices: WW3 or multilateral peace. Clinton was a symbol of war, and Trump has a chance to change this course.”

Vyacheslav Volodin, an aide to Putin, expressed his excitement with Trump as well. He stated that with “the end of the Obama administration there will be an end to the problems it caused between Kremlin and Washington, including the sanctions.”

“Sanctions is the tool used by the weak,” he claimed, referring to the economic sanctions imposed by the U.S. and European Union for Russia’s 2014 annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea. “With sanctions you can’t have mutual respect,” he then added, which suggests that with Trump’s victory Russia hopes the sanctions will be lifted.

Zippyjuan
11-09-2016, 07:16 PM
Does that mean Putin is no longer going to nuke us?

AngryCanadian
11-09-2016, 07:39 PM
He did made a good point.

nikcers
11-09-2016, 10:44 PM
This is a real head scratcher, Clinton emails come out and prove that the cold war is alive and well. Now they say the cold war is over? What does that even mean? The cold war has been going on my whole life, I can't get my hopes up that it is over now.

AngryCanadian
11-09-2016, 10:47 PM
This is a real head scratcher, Clinton emails come out and prove that the cold war is alive and well. Now they say the cold war is over? What does that even mean? The cold war has been going on my whole life, I can't get my hopes up that it is over now.

Putin adviser was referring to a possible risk of a Nuclear one.

juleswin
11-09-2016, 11:41 PM
RT is not reporting anything about this news. Also isn't it a bit too early to talk about stopping WWIII? Knowing the sort of person Putin is, I seriously doubt he would toleratte some Kremlin official running his mouth this early about averting WWIII.

Will wait for more reputable news source to report on this before I believe it.

nikcers
11-10-2016, 01:09 AM
Putin adviser was referring to a possible risk of a Nuclear one.

It just seems like really odd commentary coming from a foreign nation. I don't see anyone in our government ever saying that Russia must elect someone new or else there is a possible nuclear war. It just seems like Obama's Nobel Peace Prize. It just seems like rhetorical platitudes that would of been said no matter who won. Just because its Russia saying it instead of Sweden doesn't make it any more plausible to me.

AZJoe
11-10-2016, 10:42 AM
It just seems like really odd commentary coming from a foreign nation. I don't see anyone in our government ever saying that Russia must elect someone new or else there is a possible nuclear war. It just seems like Obama's Nobel Peace Prize. It just seems like rhetorical platitudes that would of been said no matter who won. Just because its Russia saying it instead of Sweden doesn't make it any more plausible to me.

It is a reasonably logical assessment based upon abundant evidence for instance:

1.
Well, you have Hitlary Clinton stating she will implement a military response to cyber-attack, and we see she blames every Wiki-leak, every hacking, every Guccifer leak on Russia. Just an allegation is all that is needed, which is par for the course for US foreign policy the past two decades. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?501987-Hillary-Threatens-War-With-Russia-Video&highlight=hillary+war+russia

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2.
Then we have Psychopathic US Gen. Mark Milley threatens to "Destroy" Russia
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?501944-Psychopathic-US-Gen-Mark-Milley-threatens-to-quot-Destroy-quot-Russia&highlight=mark+milley


US Army Chief of Staff last night [Oct 4, 2016] “I want to be clear to those who wish to [resist] us ... the United States military – despite all of our challenges, despite our [operational] tempo, despite everything we have been doing – we will stop you and we will beat you harder than you have ever been beaten before. Make no mistake about that,” said General Mark Milley. …

“Other countries – Russia, Iran, China, North Korea – went to school on us,” he said, adding, “They studied our doctrine [PNAC/Wolfowitz Doctrine world hegemony], our tactics , our equipment [smart missiles, dumb missiles, aerial bombs, drone bombs, spy drones, bombs, bombs and more bombs], our organization [sponsor “regime change” color revolutions with billions of funding; arm train and equip terrorists; false flag incidents; massive PR blitzkrieg using western media, bribes and blackmail and extortion of leaders], our training, our leadership. And, in turn, they revised their own doctrines, and they are rapidly modernizing their military today to avoid our [shock and awe invasions] in hopes of [resisting] us at some point in the future.”

Milley cautioned that [B]the next major conflict will “be highly lethal, unlike anything our Army has experienced at least since World War II,” and will involve fighting in “highly populated urban areas.”

“Make no mistake about it, we can now and we will … retain the capability to rapidly deploy ,” he said, “and [B]we will destroy [Russia, China, Iran] any enemy anywhere, any time,” … making clear who he was threatening to “destroy” General [Strangelove] Miller specifically quoted a senior Russian official, “Russia can now fight a conventional war in Europe and win.” …
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1921458/us-army-chief-mark-milley-fires-terrifying-threat-to-russia-over-syria-and-warns-well-beat-you-any-where-any-time/
http://www.infowars.com/u-s-army-chi...r-with-russia/ (http://www.infowars.com/u-s-army-chief-threatens-war-with-russia/)


3.
Then you have John Kirby outright threatening Russian interest and even “Russian cities”
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?501678-%91Russia-will-continue-to-send-troops-home-from-Syria-in-body-bags%92-%96-US-State-Dept&highlight=send+russians+home+body+bags
In response to Russia defeating Washington's terrorists in Syria, John Kirby was outright threatening Russia, and Russian cities:
[Washington backed] "Extremists and extremists groups will continue to exploit the vacuums that are there in Syria to expand their operations, which will include, no question, attacks against Russian interests, perhaps even Russian cities, and Russia will continue to send troops home in body bags, and they will continue to lose resources – even, perhaps, more aircraft.

Washington is now making it openly obvious [as if it weren't already] to the world which side they are on - the side of the extremist terrorists.

Russia's Defense Ministry spokesman General Igor Konashenkov stated in response:
"Should there follow any attempts to act on the threats towards Russia and Russian military servicemen in Syria, the militants may find themselves short of both body bags and the time to get away."

A mere two days after Washington promised that there would be "[I]no question, attacks against Russian interests" [in response to Russia going after terrorists] and that "Russia will continue to send troops home in body bags"; sure enough wouldn't you know it -- Washington's proxies launch a mortar attack on the Russian embassy in Damascus. http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950713001136

From Stephen Lendman's blog:
General Viktor Poznikhir said "terrorist groups are preparing provocative attacks with chemical weapons on Syrian army positions and residential areas in (eastern) Aleppo to accuse government forces" of the high crime. Poznikhir's accusation followed Syria's UN envoy Bashar al-Jaafari telling Security Council members about the intent of Ahrar al-Sham terrorists to use white phosphorous against Syrian soldiers and civilians, a hideous weapon, able to burn flesh to the bone on contact. They want government forces blamed for their high crime.
https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Arti...-terrorist.htm (https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Article/204517-2016-09-29-russia-calls-war-in-syria-a-us-controlled-international-terrorist.htm)


4.
Then you have former acting director of the CIA Mark Morrell openly advocating murder of Russians and Syrians.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?499814-Michael-Morell%92s-Lawless-Plan-to-Commit-Terror-Murders&highlight=acting+director+cia+russia

Morell seems oblivious to international law and to the vast human suffering already inflicted in Syria … trying to advance one geopolitical goal or another. … Morell prefers to think that a few more U.S.-directed murders and some more aerial-inflicted mayhem should do the trick. Perhaps he thinks that’s the sort of tough-guy/gal talk that will impress a prospective President Hillary Clinton. …

“And sometimes you use military force for military ends.Sometimes you use military force to give you political leverage. … we need to find some ways to put some pressure on Assad, or put some pressure on Russia, and put some pressure on Iran. … what I said is that’s an okay thing, right, because it puts pressure on Iran and Russia to try to see some value in ending this thing politically. …

“the U.S. military itself should take some action … limited U.S. airstrikes against those assets that are extremely important to Assad personally. So, in the middle of the night you destroy one of his offices … You take out his presidential aircraft, his presidential helicopters, in the middle of the night, right, just to send him a message … that maybe your days are numbered … “

Not to put too fine a point on this, but everything that Morell is advocating here violates international law, the rules that – in other circumstances, i.e. when another government is involved – the U.S. government condemns as “aggression” or as an “invasion” or as “terrorism.”
….

5.
Then you have US general, Robert Scales, who called for the US to “start killing Russians” in Ukraine … “start killing Russians. Killing so many Russians that even Putin’s media can’t hide the fact…”
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?500025-The-Dangerous-Temper-Tantrums-of-US-War-Hawks&highlight=acting+director+cia+russia
http://thenewsdoctors.com/the-dangerous-temper-tantrums-of-us-war-hawks-steven-macmillan/



6.
And then you have John Kerry openly advocating direct war against the sovereign government of Syria.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?501784-Kerry-says-he-wanted-to-use-force-against-Assad&highlight=kerry+attack+assad
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?501767-A-holes!-US-bombs-(another)-Deir-Ezzor-Bridge-(again)&highlight=kerry+attack+assad
“I'm the guy who stood up and announced that we're going to attack Assad for the use of weapons,"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/01/politics/kerry-audio-recording-syria/


7.
You have mad Hitlary Clinton who steadfastly refuses to repudiate a nuclear first strike.


8. You have Washington providing manpads to terrorist organizations in the “hopes” they will hit Russian/Syrian targets. And the even greater hopes none of them are sold or transported to other locations in Europe, the Americas, other Middles East locales to be used around airports for terrorists strikes against civilian planes.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?501648-War-Footing-Kerry-threatens-to-cut-off-all-contacts-with-Russia&highlight=kerry+attack+assad
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/aleppo-must-not-fall-us-preparing-flood-city-anti-air-missiles-154690394



Some Vids:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PgSX-WD96Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4aIIpCDsLU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IiS6Fehd44



“The point that it is so unthinkable yet so close to happening is caused by the overwhelming denial that Americans have towards the real nature of international brinksmanship. The United State foreign policy for global dominance cannot be defended as a righteous imperative.”
“The difference in the coming end of days is not that the foolish deployments and menacing circumstances are not known, but that the ultimate consequences and inevitable desolation is simply ignored. When a nation is oblivious to the lessons of history and the reality of insane actions, a rational foreign policy becomes the first causality of national security.”
http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/10/11/stuck-on-stupid-why-is-america-is-starting-ww3/




And a litany of other commentators have explained the Hitlary danger in abundance:

A VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON IS A VOTE FOR NUCLEAR WAR
http://www.inquisitr.com/3590974/a-vote-for-hillary-clinton-is-a-vote-for-nuclear-war/

we have a leading presidential candidate who is already actively trying to bring us back there[cold war terror]. She’s not even making a secret of it. She’s been flat-out telling us, with her own face hole, that she wants to impose a no-fly zone on a nation where Russia is conducting aerial military operations. … A no-fly zone means crippling the air forces in a particular zone and shooting down any aircraft in the sky. Which aircraft would that be? Certainly not ISIS; … [they] have no air force. The only people engaged in the conflict with an air force are the Syrian military and Russia. Those are the planes that Hillary Clinton wants to attack. …

even if you are that brainwashed and brain dead, it should still be obvious to you that shooting down Russian military planes won’t end well for anyone. Military attacks against another nation’s military can only elicit military retribution. Acts of military retribution can easily escalate to full-scale war. America currently has 6,970 nuclear warheads that we know of, ready to launch at the drop of a hat. Russia has 7,300 nukes that we know of, with thousands in the chamber ready to fire. The two nations are, by a truly massive margin, the largest nuclear forces on planet Earth. …

Why in God’s name aren’t we all talking about this constantly? Why isn’t this the number one thing on the news every single day?

The single most important job that a United States president will ever have is averting nuclear annihilation. You can tank the economy, lock up all ethnic Italians in internment camps, make abortion mandatory and release a clown fetish sex tape, and as long as life on Earth isn’t snuffed out in a mushroom cloud, you can still say that you did your most important job as president. Hillary Clinton is promising not only to put that job on the back burner, but to knock it right off the stove. …

[Any other issue] Like you’re supposed to hear that and go, “Oh well that’s obviously way worse than flirting with a nuclear holocaust. Where do I get one of those ‘H’ arrow bumper stickers?”

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/3590974/a-vote-for-hillary-clinton-is-a-vote-for-nuclear-war/#07w7ZsZcB74xDi55.99



HILLARY’S [HER OWNERS] LUNATIC NO-FLY ZONE INTENTION IN SYRIA MEANS WAR ON RUSSIA
http://silentcircle.co.uk/hillarys-o...ns-war-russia/ (http://silentcircle.co.uk/hillarys-owners-lunatic-no-fly-zone-intention-syria-means-war-russia/)

Hillary represents the neocon lunatic fringe of US politics, an emotionally unstable unapologetic hawk unfit to serve, militantly anti-Russia, anti-China, anti-Iran, anti-world peace and stability. The likelihood of her succeeding Obama should terrify everyone worldwide. Dare we wait for nuclear war to begin before realizing the horror of her as president and commander-in-chief of America’s military – able to wage war on any adversary on her say alone, rule of law principles be damned.

One of her top priorities is ousting Assad, no-fly zone imposition a key tactic she favors, a lunatic scheme even former Joint Chiefs Chairman General Martin Dempsey opposed. … It would mean full-scale US aggression on Syria. … Joint Chiefs Chairman Joseph (“fighting Joe”) Dunford told Senate Armed Services Committee … Ordering it “would require going to war against Syria and Russia,” … Hillary wants it anyway, saying “I personally would be advocating for a no-fly zone and humanitarian corridors to try to stop the carnage on the ground and from the air, to try to provide some say to take stock of what’s happening, to try to stem the flow of refugees.”

Neocons infesting Washington urge its imposition. America rapes one country after another, calling naked aggression humanitarian intervention and responsibility to protect. If Hillary succeeds Obama, escalated US war on Syria is certain, upping the stakes hugely for direct confrontation with Russia – risking unthinkable nuclear war.



Gen. Dunford : no fly = war w Russia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VmrTxnY5v4



Green Party Candidate Jill Stein:

“The wars have gotten bigger, we are now bombing seven countries. … It is now Hillary Clinton that wants to start an air war with Russia over Syria by calling for a no fly zone. … We have 2000 nuclear missiles on hairtrigger alert. … Under Hillary Clinton, we could slide into nuclear war very quickly from her declared policy in Syria. I sure won't sleep well at night if Donald Trump is elected, but I sure won't sleep well at night if Hillary Clinton elected. … On the issue of war and nuclear weapons, it is actually Hillary's policies which are much scarier than Donald Trump who does not want to go to war with Russia. He wants to seek modes of working together, which is the route that we need to follow not to go into confrontation and nuclear war with Russia.”



Eric Peters: A Big Got Damned Difference
http://ericpetersautos.com/2016/08/0...ed-difference/ (http://ericpetersautos.com/2016/08/05/big-got-damned-difference/)

"Hillary is a murderer. A mass murderer. By proxy, yes – but a murderer, nonetheless. Eager to have people killed. .. Hillary has ordered people killed. Has literally reveled in the murder-by-sodomy of Quaddafi, which she helped to orchestrate.

She is an obvious psychopath. Worse than The Chimp, even. And The Chimp was pretty got-damned awful. Trump is arrogant, a blowhard. He may be a dick. But he hasn’t killed anyone that I am aware of, either himself or by proxy. He doesn’t seem eager to get the US involved in more wars. Hillary does. In Syria. In Iran. Possibly, Russia.

If she is elected, more people will die – a certainty. With Trump, they may not. That’s a big got-damned difference …

It is not a question of slightly less or slightly more government – the usual “dime’s worth” of difference between a Republican and a Democrat … Because in those cases, it has not been a case of life or death. Literally. …

Trump’s narcissism is a pop rock compared with the sing-song psychopathy revealed here. It’s a huge got-damned difference. ... lives are literally at stake here. Possibly, millions of them. Not just the murdered in Hillary’s certain wars but our lives, too. Disarmed, criminalized, controlled and micromanaged without limit. …"



Or perhaps it is because Hillary is a psychopathic murderer who has supported and advocated war and aggression for decades from the complete devastation of Yugoslavia based upon lies, to Iraq, Afghanistan, Honduras, Libya, Ukraine (and dozens of smaller aggressions); because of the funding and arming of terrorists and her regime change operations; because of her open belligerent threats against Iran, China Russia; because of ehr insatiable affinity to use military force; because of her continuous policies of provocation with sanctions, threats, lies, accusations, military expansion, expansion of NATO, economic warfare .... Because Hitlary is a psychopath. "Hillary is a murderer. A mass murderer. By proxy, yes – but a murderer, nonetheless. Eager to have people killed. .. Hillary has ordered people killed. Has literally reveled in the murder-by-sodomy of Quaddafi, which she helped to orchestrate. ... If she is elected, more people will die – a certainty." http://ericpetersautos.com/2016/08/05/big-got-damned-difference/


Spikender
11-10-2016, 10:45 AM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to AZJoe again.

gaazn
11-10-2016, 11:04 AM
Back to the good ole days of spheres of influence and James Monroe. Europe will not be too quick in the future to nudge the US into foreign wars when they have to foot the bill.

nikcers
11-10-2016, 11:16 AM
Are you guys saying that Trump isn't Israel first? That he isn't anti Iran? If Trump takes us to war with Iran will you say the same thing?

robert68
11-10-2016, 11:21 AM
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openfire
11-10-2016, 11:22 AM
Are you guys saying that Trump isn't Israel first? That he isn't anti Iran? If Trump takes us to war with Iran will you say the same thing?

Zero probability of war with Iran.

AuH20
11-10-2016, 11:25 AM
Are you guys saying that Trump isn't Israel first? That he isn't anti Iran? If Trump takes us to war with Iran will you say the same thing?

Nothing will happen in Iran. Any advance into Iran would provoke the same response that almost spiraled out of control in Syria.

Zippyjuan
11-10-2016, 12:55 PM
Trump wants to tear up the nuclear deal with Iran. He doesn't trust/ like them. Would he attack them? Restore sanctions (which some may consider an act of war)? We don't know. He keeps changing his position on things.

openfire
11-10-2016, 12:57 PM
Trump wants to tear up the nuclear deal with Iran. He doesn't trust/ like them. Would he attack them? Restore sanctions (which some may consider an act of war)? We don't know. He keeps changing his position on things.

No. What he simply said is that it's a "terrible deal". This, coming from the person who wrote "The Art of the Deal".

Jamesiv1
11-10-2016, 01:03 PM
Isn't Ivanka's husband Jewish? Trump has had nothing but lovey-dovey things to say about Israel.

Whether or not he will continue to give them mountains of tanks and money..? wait and see

dannno
11-10-2016, 08:26 PM
Are you guys saying that Trump isn't Israel first?

Trump has always said America is first.

AngryCanadian
11-10-2016, 08:33 PM
Trump wants to tear up the nuclear deal with Iran. He doesn't trust/ like them. Would he attack them? Restore sanctions (which some may consider an act of war)? We don't know. He keeps changing his position on things.

Well he cant tear it up. The Iranian deal is something the GOP cant tear up which was already signed by so many countries.

69360
11-10-2016, 08:37 PM
Nope. Hillary was evil and would purposely start WW3. Trump is an idiot with no self control and will accidentally start WW3. Same end result. No real difference between them. All Trump as potus has to do is insult or be insulted by the wrong world leader and the nukes fly.