Is Obamacare finished?

[seapilot]

Now Drumpf is in with GOP house and Senate the veto pen is going to get stored. Read that Obama care is finished. My prediction is there will be some Hybrid type thing come out to replace it.

Poor get the Medicaid crappy care while insurance is more open and competitive going national like car insurance for those that can afford premiums. Low Single payer costs for all but high deductibles.

[CPUd]

Yes, it will be repealed and replaced with something that helps bring freedom to the common folk. It will have a wonderful new name, like LibertyCare. It will have the lines around the states, and will be a beautiful thing.

[seapilot]

LibertyCare is not Drumpf style. How about AmeriCare?

[gaazn]

No Trump will rebrand it as TrumpCare and white, rural America will love it.

[kahless]

It is finished and we will finally end up with health insurance competition across state lines which should make it more affordable. The low income uninsured will likely still have some form of it through repeal and replace which I could see under some form of Medicaid expansion.

[brushfire]

They will make obamacare great again. Problem - Reaction - Solution : Trump will not disappoint. Hillary would follow the same program... If Obama got another term, so would he.

"There's problems with the current affordable care act, and we're going to make it more affordable than ever"

The cockroach republicans will have no excuses - notice it went from "repeal" to "replace".

[TheTexan]

Yes, it will be repealed and replaced with something that helps bring freedom to the common folk. It will have a wonderful new name, like LibertyCare. It will have the lines around the states, and will be a beautiful thing.

I just hope that Trump gets it right this time. The original Obamacare had barely any free stuff in it at all. If TrumpCare can add some free stuff, like for example free minor surgeries, then I think that would be a good step in the right direction.

[CPUd]

We will probably see a half-trillion bailout of the insurance companies, which would happen no matter who got elected.

[Zippyjuan]

Don't expect your insurance or medical care costs to go down if it is.

[TheTexan]

Don't expect your insurance or medical care costs to go down if it does.

Yes, because those are the natural market prices, and don't have anything to do with Obamacare

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/16/most-americans-want-to-replace-obamacare-with-a-single-payer-system-including-a-lot-of-republicans/


Poll: Most Americans want to replace Obamacare with single-payer — including many Republicans


The politics of Obamacare aren't all that complicated. Republicans have called for the Affordable Care Act to be "repealed and replaced" for years, with only sporadic attempts to articulate what the replacement would be. On the Democratic side, the question that's emerged over the course of the primary is whether or not the program should be expanded and improved (Hillary Clinton's argument) or if we should push for a complete overhaul, moving toward a "single-payer" system like Medicare (Bernie Sanders's argument).

In a round of polling conducted this month, Gallup figured out which of those ideas was the most popular. And the result? It's sort of a three-way tie.

Well over half of Americans want to replace Obamacare with a single-payer system. That figure, amazingly, includes 41 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents — even though the wording of the question specifies that the program would be "federally funded." (Mind you, more than half of Republicans oppose the idea.)

The high number of Republicans approving of the idea may be because Republicans are so hostile to the Affordable Care Act. Gallup's polling has consistently shown that Republicans hold strongly negative views of the program. Replacing the ACA with anything probably holds some appeal.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2016/05/Ocare.jpg&w=1484

[angelatc]

Zippy posting polls less than 15 hours after the biggest pollster fail we've ever seen. Gotta love 'em.

I hope that Trump dismantles Obama's legacy in the first 100 days of his presidency. 65% of the people did NOT want it passed. They had to cheat to get it through the Senate. Driving a stake through it would be the best thing to happen to the nation in a very long time.

[enhanced_deficit]

Yes.
There might be some different, very diluted version of system proposed to replace it ... but chances of current DGPcare surviving are between slim and none.

Just changing the use of name from "Obamacare" to something else would probably cause sharp reduction in premiums.


Related

Negative view up by 10 points when "Obamacare" used instead of "Affordable Care Act" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?429059-Negative-view-up-by-10-points-when-quot-Obamacare-quot-used-instead-of-quot-Affordable-Care-Act-quot&)

Obamacare 25% - 116% spike in premiums could be death knell for Hillary candidacy (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?502871-Obamacare-25-116-spike-in-premiums-could-be-death-knell-for-Hillary-candidacy&)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_of9ue2vob2g/Sobs5IHkqMI/AAAAAAAAKDo/eryz7SPOTkI/s400/DEMOCRAT+RATS+ABANDONING+SINKING+OBAMACARE+SHIP.jp ghttp://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Obama-dancing-on-The-Ellen-Show-GIF.gif

1,250 cases of heroin labeled with “Obamacare” found during traffic stop (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?436180-1-250-cases-of-heroin-labeled-with-%E2%80%9CObamacare%E2%80%9D-found-during-traffic-stop&)

[Jamesiv1]

I would love to see Trump toss Obamacare in the garbage with a freaking Executive Order - on like, Day 1.

that would be amaze-balls.

[Zippyjuan]

A law cannot be voided with an executive order. We don't have a dictatorship.

[CPUd]

Zippy posting polls less than 15 hours after the biggest pollster fail we've ever seen. Gotta love 'em.

I hope that Trump dismantles Obama's legacy in the first 100 days of his presidency. 65% of the people did NOT want it passed. They had to cheat to get it through the Senate. Driving a stake through it would be the best thing to happen to the nation in a very long time.

It will take longer than 100 days, they will have to chip away at it.

[Jamesiv1]

A law cannot be voided with an executive order. We don't have a dictatorship.
DJ Trumpmaster D is amaze-balls so he can do it.

[Zippyjuan]

If Obama tried it, people here would freak out. If Trump does it, he is praised.

[Ender]

DJ Trumpmaster D is amaze-balls so he can do it.

How about if we just get government out of the medical business?

Prices would become affordable & medical care would become better.

[Jamesiv1]

How about if we just get government out of the medical business?

Prices would become affordable & medical care would become better.
I agree. And ban the insurance lobbyists from Washington, DC.

Hell, ban all the lobbyists.

[Ender]

I agree. And ban the insurance lobbyists from Washington, DC.

Hell, ban all the lobbyists.

That'd be AWESOME!

[angelatc]

How about if we just get government out of the medical business?

Prices would become affordable & medical care would become better.

Not according to Zippy.

[Ender]

Not according to Zippy.

But according to Ender. ;)

You want good health care? Go to Mexico, pay cash and get great doctors. Some of my So Cal friends will ONLY go to Mexican dentists- great work and very affordable.

[juleswin]

How about if we just get government out of the medical business?

Prices would become affordable & medical care would become better.

What about medicare and medicaid? Those 2 account for 60% plus of medical spending in this country.

[Zippyjuan]

Trump doesn't want to change them.

[hells_unicorn]

A law cannot be voided with an executive order. We don't have a dictatorship.

lol Where have you been for the last 20 years?

[Zippyjuan]

lol Where have you been for the last 20 years?

Can you offer examples?

[UWDude]

If Obama tried it, people here would freak out. If Trump does it, he is praised.

Did you forget which forums you are at? Plus, Trump has a republican senate and house.


Trump doesn't want to change them.

Still in denial phase, I see.

I wonder what you will be like in the anger phase.

[CPUd]

Did you forget which forums you are at? Plus, Trump has a republican senate and house.



Still in denial phase, I see.

I wonder what you will be like in the anger phase.

People here generally freak out at any executive overreach, no matter who is in office.

[UWDude]

People here generally freak out at any executive overreach, no matter who is in office.

But they love the removal of government agencies from the balance sheet. Like Ron Paul saying he would disband the IRS, the EPA, the Department of Education and Energy.....

[Carlybee]

Unfortunately Congress is still a bunch of corporatists. Health insurance was steadily climbing before Obamacare so market competition was more like market collusion.

[Ender]

What about medicare and medicaid? Those 2 account for 60% plus of medical spending in this country.

Ron Paul never accepted them. ;)

[Superfluous Man]

Trump wants to replace Obamacare with something more socialist.

The question is what kind of thing Trump and the House and Senate will all be able to agree on enough to get passed. Chances are it won't be an improvement.

[hells_unicorn]

Can you offer examples?

Obama's presidency? You know, the guy you sound like you supported?

[Dr.3D]

How about if we just get government out of the medical business?

Prices would become affordable & medical care would become better.
Yes, I would like to see it repealed and replaced with nothing.

[Jamesiv1]

LibertyCare is not Drumpf style. How about AmeriCare?
TremendousCare

uuuuuugeCare

NotATotalDisasterCare

[Sola_Fide]

Yes, I would like to see it repealed and replaced with nothing.

Obamacare is going nowhere. Mark my words.

[MelissaWV]

I wish it would vanish, myself. Medicare and Medicaid are problematic, but putting them in the same bucket is disingenuous. Medicare is a benefit that people have been taxed for, and even Dr. Paul would not instantly cut it off and confiscate benefits for people who've paid in. Medicaid is meant as a safety net and is funded differently.

It's interesting we've gotten to the second page and people are arguing about removing Obamacare via Executive Order. There is a better path to removal or modification, which is to take pieces out the same way they were slipped in. I believe there's a job opening on the USSC....

[Ender]

Yes, I would like to see it repealed and replaced with nothing.

Absolutely.

[Ender]

I wish it would vanish, myself. Medicare and Medicaid are problematic, but putting them in the same bucket is disingenuous. Medicare is a benefit that people have been taxed for, and even Dr. Paul would not instantly cut it off and confiscate benefits for people who've paid in. Medicaid is meant as a safety net and is funded differently.

It's interesting we've gotten to the second page and people are arguing about removing Obamacare via Executive Order. There is a better path to removal or modification, which is to take pieces out the same way they were slipped in. I believe there's a job opening on the USSC....

Ron Paul, the REAL Libertarian:


Eventually Paul got so busy he took on a partner. Jack Pruett, who was then fresh out of his obstetrics/gynecology residency, says when he first sat down in Paul's office, he was told there were two stipulations he would have to agree to before joining the practice.

"He said, 'No. 1 is we will not perform any abortions.' And I said, 'That's fine; I can live with that. What's No. 2?' " he remembers.

No. 2, says Pruett, was that the practice would not participate in any federal health programs, which meant, as Paul described it, "that we will see all Medicare and Medicaid patients free of charge, and they will be treated just like all of our other patients, but we're not going to charge them and accept federal funds."

Still in debt from his medical training, Pruett said that was a little harder for him to swallow. "But I liked Ron, so I decided that I would agree to that, too. And in all those 20 years, we never accepted one penny of federal money. We saw all those patients for free, delivered their babies free, did their surgeries free; whatever they needed we did, and we didn't charge them."

Of course, Lake Jackson being a small town, occasionally Paul would get paid in other ways.

"Some of the people would bring chickens, or they would bring vegetables from their garden if they couldn't afford to pay for their obstetrical fee," recalls Richard Hardoin, a pediatrician who used to care for the babies Paul delivered.

http://www.npr.org/2011/10/25/141653000/before-he-delivered-for-voters-paul-delivered-babies

[MelissaWV]

Ron Paul, the REAL Libertarian:



http://www.npr.org/2011/10/25/141653000/before-he-delivered-for-voters-paul-delivered-babies

That's him, personally, making a choice (which providers can still make). The question of ending Medicare and Medicaid extends to stopping the confiscation of funds from workers to pay for it, and stopping distribution of those funds to those who are collecting it. Ron was not a fan of doing the latter part cold turkey.

[Zippyjuan]

Yes, I would like to see it repealed and replaced with nothing.

Trump still wants to keep parts of it and somehow make sure that everybody has coverage. National program?

https://www.greatagain.gov/policy/healthcare.html


It is clear to any objective observer that the Affordable Care Act (ACA), which has resulted in rapidly rising premiums and deductibles, narrow networks, and health insurance, has not been a success. A Trump Administration will work with Congress to repeal the ACA and replace it with a solution that includes Health Savings Accounts (HSAs), and returns the historic role in regulating health insurance to the States. The Administration’s goal will be to create a patient-centered healthcare system that promotes choice, quality and affordability with health insurance and healthcare, and take any needed action to alleviate the burdens imposed on American families and businesses by the law.

To maximize choice and create a dynamic market for health insurance, the Administration will work with Congress to enable people to purchase insurance across state lines. The Administration also will work with both Congress and the States to re-establish high-risk pools – a proven approach to ensuring access to health insurance coverage for individuals who have significant medical expenses and who have not maintained continuous coverage.

The Administration recognizes that the problems with the U.S. health care system did not begin with – and will not end with the repeal of – the ACA. With the assistance of Congress and working with the States, as appropriate, the Administration will act to:

Protect individual conscience in healthcare

Protect innocent human life from conception to natural death, including the most defenseless and those Americans with disabilities

Advance research and development in healthcare

Reform the Food and Drug Administration, to put greater focus on the need of patients for new and innovative medical products

Modernize Medicare, so that it will be ready for the challenges with the coming retirement of the Baby Boom generation – and beyond

Maximize flexibility for States in administering Medicaid, to enable States to experiment with innovative methods to deliver healthcare to our low-income citizens

One thing he suggested in the past was making health insurance costs tax deductable which means taxpayer subsidies.

[Zippyjuan]

Obama's presidency? You know, the guy you sound like you supported?

Yes, which congressionally enacted bills did he void out by using an executive order?

[enhanced_deficit]

It's doomed. Easy to guess looking at what just happened to the embracers.



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/24/14/26F3B4D900000578-3009471-image-a-1_1427208337426.jpg

[hells_unicorn]

Yes, which congressionally enacted bills did he void out by using an executive order?

The original definitions of the EPA's authority, for one. Every immigration bill ever passed in history that didn't allow for what his executive orders enacted. American participation in Libya and covertly in Syria and Yemen. How does a president make war without any kind of legitimate or even illegitimate congressional consent and not be a dictator that is voiding congress' entire authority on declaring war?

Lay off the democrat apologist kool-ade, you are feeding in to the misconception that libertarians are simply kooky progressives in disguise.

[Ender]

The original definitions of the EPA's authority, for one. Every immigration bill ever passed in history that didn't allow for what his executive orders enacted. American participation in Libya and covertly in Syria and Yemen. How does a president make war without any kind of legitimate or even illegitimate congressional consent and not be a dictator that is voiding congress' entire authority on declaring war?

Lay off the democrat apologist kool-ade, you are feeding in to the misconception that libertarians are simply kooky progressives in disguise.

Congress has not officially declared war since WWII. All wars since then have been unconstitutional.

[Zippyjuan]

The original definitions of the EPA's authority, for one. Every immigration bill ever passed in history that didn't allow for what his executive orders enacted. American participation in Libya and covertly in Syria and Yemen. How does a president make war without any kind of legitimate or even illegitimate congressional consent and not be a dictator that is voiding congress' entire authority on declaring war?

Lay off the democrat apologist kool-ade, you are feeding in to the misconception that libertarians are simply kooky progressives in disguise.

He wrote Executive Orders saying he was going to attack Libya and Syria and Yemen? Link? What about his executive order changing the law on the EPA? Link for that?

[Noob]

Looks like a repeal of all Obamacare expect 2 parts, pre existing conditions and keeping kids on their parents health care plan.

[CPUd]

Looks like a repeal of all Obamacare expect 2 parts, pre existing conditions and keeping kids on their parents health care plan.

That's what opens the door for the "replace".

[pcosmar]

That's what opens the door for the "replace".

"Remove and replace" has been a GOP mantra.

Expect some modified Romney Care.

Only a shifting of profit margins will change.

[bunklocoempire]

Now Drumpf is in with GOP house and Senate the veto pen is going to get stored. Read that Obama care is finished. My prediction is there will be some Hybrid type thing come out to replace it.

Poor get the Medicaid crappy care while insurance is more open and competitive going national like car insurance for those that can afford premiums. Low Single payer costs for all but high deductibles.

Do Republicans even have to act like Republicans? A great disturbance in the schwartz, I fear.

[oyarde]

Yes, it will be repealed and replaced with something that helps bring freedom to the common folk. It will have a wonderful new name, like LibertyCare. It will have the lines around the states, and will be a beautiful thing.

Almost unfair that California is going to secede , without all those Caly Dem congressman there would be no Obummercare . They should make them continue to pay the penalty regardless , LOL

[oyarde]

LibertyCare is not Drumpf style. How about AmeriCare?

GreatCare.

[oyarde]

I just hope that Trump gets it right this time. The original Obamacare had barely any free stuff in it at all. If TrumpCare can add some free stuff, like for example free minor surgeries, then I think that would be a good step in the right direction.

Kind of hard for America to be Great without free breast implants . I'll send him a text .

[TheTexan]

Kind of hard for America to be Great without free breast implants . I'll send him a text .

It would be great for the economy