Iowa Rally PHOTOS

[WannaBfree]

Please post photos or link!

I'm not patient enough to wait for the videos!

[FSP-Rebel]

Yeah, what's w this stuff?

[Benincasa]

I went to the rally and it was excellent. Dr. Paul spoke for about two hours (plus the other speakers). The free food was good. There were easily 1000+ people. The best part was that everyone walking in to the forum was immediately met with HUGE ron paul signs. The reception was amazing, and I attached a few things that I got on my camera although I have to warn you they are low quality and will only hold you over until some good stuff comes in (1 video I took just to see if my camera could do it, and a photo of the crowd). The rally was great except for one thing: it was too bad that the infowars.com people were there. They really hurt the message. T-shirts that said "9/11 was an inside job" drew scoffs from Iowans like myself. Luckily there was on 1-2 people with ridicuous stuff on like this in a crow of 1000+. Besides this, the rally was great!! I particularly enjoyed the standing ovation he recieved when he said that the US should pull out of the UN.:D

Crowd (1000+ people) (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn0240ot8.gif)

Short clip of speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6HvzaQi57A)

[angrydragon]

Benincasa the picture looked good, but the video, the audio is messed up.

Glad you were there giving Ron Paul support. =)

[dseisner]

I went to the rally and it was excellent. Dr. Paul spoke for about two hours (plus the other speakers). The free food was good. There were easily 1000+ people. The best part was that everyone walking in to the forum was immediately met with HUGE ron paul signs. The reception was amazing, and I attached a few things that I got on my camera although I have to warn you they are low quality and will only hold you over until some good stuff comes in (1 video I took just to see if my camera could do it, and a photo of the crowd). The rally was great except for one thing: it was too bad that the infowars.com people were there. They really hurt the message. T-shirts that said "9/11 was an inside job" drew scoffs from Iowans like myself. Luckily there was on 1-2 people with ridicuously stuff on like this in a crow of 1000+. Besides this, the rally was great!! I particularly enjoyed the standing ovation he recieved when he said that the US should pull out of the UN.:D

Crowd (1000+ people) (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn0240ot8.gif)

Short clip of speech: http://img531.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn0246bq7.flv
EDIT: Ha, something is wrong with the audio from the video. I'll try to fix it and update the link...

that video makes him sound like a deamon from the underworld.

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Crowd (1000+ people) (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn0240ot8.gif)

Short clip of speech: http://img531.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn0246bq7.flv
EDIT: Ha, something is wrong with the audio from the video. I'll try to fix it and update the link...


The picture caught the guy in the middle at kind of a bad moment. And whats up with the slow audio speed in the video?

[Benincasa]

I have the video, and the audio is fine. Something happends when I upload it to imageshack that messes with the audio. Any suggestions are welcome :) Again, I know this stuff is low quality, hah, its just meant to hold you over until good stuff comes in. Also: I went to the presidental debate forum (which paul was barred from) and am happy to report that we had atleast as many people at our rally than at the forum!!

[PatriotOne]

I went to the rally and it was excellent. Dr. Paul spoke for about two hours (plus the other speakers). The free food was good. There were easily 1000+ people. The best part was that everyone walking in to the forum was immediately met with HUGE ron paul signs. The reception was amazing, and I attached a few things that I got on my camera although I have to warn you they are low quality and will only hold you over until some good stuff comes in (1 video I took just to see if my camera could do it, and a photo of the crowd). The rally was great except for one thing: it was too bad that the infowars.com people were there. They really hurt the message. T-shirts that said "9/11 was an inside job" drew scoffs from Iowans like myself. Luckily there was on 1-2 people with ridicuously stuff on like this in a crow of 1000+. Besides this, the rally was great!! I particularly enjoyed the standing ovation he recieved when he said that the US should pull out of the UN.:D

Crowd (1000+ people) (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn0240ot8.gif)

Short clip of speech: http://img531.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn0246bq7.flv
EDIT: Ha, something is wrong with the audio from the video. I'll try to fix it and update the link...

Great pic....it does look standing room only. Thanks for the tid bit :)

[angrydragon]

youtube?

[Buggan]

that video makes him sound like a deamon from the underworld.

Giuliani anyone?

[MozoVote]

See, that's what happens when we rush people to post their videos 8-)

[PatriotOne]

that video makes him sound like a deamon from the underworld.

Hahahahaha...I couldn't quite put my finger on it but you nailed it. Not exactly promotional material :eek:

[PatriotOne]

Giuliani anyone?

LOL.....good idea. Someone should do that with one of Giuliani's speeches and put it on YouTube:D

[Benincasa]

OK, this is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6HvzaQi57A

Again, sorry its short. Hopefully some good stuff comes in soon!

[Wyurm]

OK, this is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6HvzaQi57A

Again, sorry its short. Hopefully some good stuff comes in soon!

Thank you very, very much!! :)

[WannaBfree]

that video makes him sound like a deamon from the underworld.

take it down! It might attract Cheney :D

[FSP-Rebel]

Where's the full-scale vid?

[WannaBfree]

thanks for the new video!

[Benincasa]

The full scale video will be about two hours long (plus everyone elses' speech), so make sure you are comfortable before you start;) . Its very good though.

[FSP-Rebel]

Shit's weak, where's the rest?

[Benincasa]

Ha, I know the video is no good. Its only meant to hold you over until the whole speech comes in. Sorry for wasting your time (not really;))

[kalami]

just a little crack rock to hold us over

[Spirit of '76]

Ha, I know the video is no good. Its only meant to hold you over until the whole speech comes in. Sorry for wasting your time (not really;))

Hey, don't let anybody's "weak" attitude get you down.

Thanks for posting what you have! :)

[angelatc]

Not weak! Never weak! Left me wanting more!

[WannaBfree]

The rally was great except for one thing: it was too bad that the infowars.com people were there. They really hurt the message. T-shirts that said "9/11 was an inside job" drew scoffs from Iowans like myself. Luckily there was on 1-2 people with ridicuous stuff on like this in a crow of 1000+. Besides this, the rally was great!!

I just read your review - thanks for that too. I can't wait for the video. About the infowars.com people, if it was just one or two out of a thousand, I would think then it was just a regular mix of people. Or were they shouting stuff and being disruptive? I hope not. How did they really hurt Ron Paul's message?

[susano]

I went to the rally and it was excellent. Dr. Paul spoke for about two hours (plus the other speakers). The free food was good. There were easily 1000+ people. The best part was that everyone walking in to the forum was immediately met with HUGE ron paul signs. The reception was amazing, and I attached a few things that I got on my camera although I have to warn you they are low quality and will only hold you over until some good stuff comes in (1 video I took just to see if my camera could do it, and a photo of the crowd). The rally was great except for one thing: it was too bad that the infowars.com people were there. They really hurt the message. T-shirts that said "9/11 was an inside job" drew scoffs from Iowans like myself. Luckily there was on 1-2 people with ridicuous stuff on like this in a crow of 1000+. Besides this, the rally was great!! I particularly enjoyed the standing ovation he recieved when he said that the US should pull out of the UN.:D

Crowd (1000+ people) (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn0240ot8.gif)

Short clip of speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6HvzaQi57A)


Hey, there's an orb in the photo. Cool.

[WannaBfree]

Another question if you don't mind - you're temporarily a celebrity cause you were there :). Was it pretty obvious visually that more people showed up for the Ron Paul than the forum next door? And were the cheers coming out the doors and windows? In short, did we blow them away?

[susano]

People have to realize that there are a lot of Americans who think 9/11 was inside job. All kinds will be coming out for Ron Paul, so everyone better get used to it. Believe me, there are MANY of us that cringe at Christian conservatives, but there may be some who will support Ron Paul. We'll just have to deal with the fact that liberty means different strokes for different folks.

[quickmike]

People have to realize that there are a lot of Americans who think 9/11 was inside job. All kinds will be coming out for Ron Paul, so everyone better get used to it. Believe me, there are MANY of us that cringe at Christian conservatives, but there may be some who will support Ron Paul. We'll just have to deal with the fact that liberty means different strokes for different folks.

I agree, everyone has their own opinoin. Thats what america is about. But I will say this. The christians dont go to political campaigns with t-shirts advertising "jesus christ is your saviour" on them all in your face. I think thats all people are worried about with the 911 crowd. If you want to believe that its your right, its also your right to tell people that you believe in it. But keep in mind, alot of people who might be deciding to vote for someone might get a little intimidated by the in-your-face thing. Some might be on the fence between RP and Tom Tancredo or someone else. They might see crowds of 911 was an inside job t-shirts and decide to vote for the other guy, whether its right or wrong to do so. Is it really worth advertising it if RP loses because some people arent ready yet to hear 911 was an inside job? What then? You will get another crooked politician for president before you could even get the guy you wanted in there. Im not saying anyone should try and tell anyone else not to believe in the 911 thing, im just saying, why advertise it right now? Its not going to help anything at this point. We should all just get him elected and worry about our own beliefs after he wins, when well actually have the freedom to do something about it.


Think about it seriously before getting in peoples face with that stuff........ or any other pet project any of us might have at the moment.

[Bradley in DC]

People have to realize that there are a lot of Americans who think 9/11 was inside job. All kinds will be coming out for Ron Paul, so everyone better get used to it. Believe me, there are MANY of us that cringe at Christian conservatives, but there may be some who will support Ron Paul. We'll just have to deal with the fact that liberty means different strokes for different folks.

The Truthers need to understand that they are welcome to be part of our campaign for a more limited, open and accountable government but that Dr. Paul's campaign is not a subset of their movement.

[PatriotOne]

I hardly think wearing a 9/11 T Shirt was too radical. It's not like they were bullhorning the place.

[LibertyEagle]

People have to realize that there are a lot of Americans who think 9/11 was inside job. All kinds will be coming out for Ron Paul, so everyone better get used to it. Believe me, there are MANY of us that cringe at Christian conservatives, but there may be some who will support Ron Paul. We'll just have to deal with the fact that liberty means different strokes for different folks.


You do realize that Dr. Paul is a Christian and has also referred to himself as a libertarian-conservative?

[WannaBfree]

I agree, everyone has their own opinoin. Thats what america is about. But I will say this. The christians dont go to political campaigns with t-shirts advertising "jesus christ is your saviour" on them all in your face. I think thats all people are worried about with the 911 crowd. If you want to believe that its your right, its also your right to tell people that you believe in it. But keep in mind, alot of people who might be deciding to vote for someone might get a little intimidated by the in-your-face thing. Some might be on the fence between RP and Tom Tancredo or someone else. They might see crowds of 911 was an inside job t-shirts and decide to vote for the other guy, whether its right or wrong to do so. Is it really worth advertising it if RP loses because some people arent ready yet to hear 911 was an inside job? What then? You will get another crooked politician for president before you could even get the guy you wanted in there. Im not saying anyone should try and tell anyone else not to believe in the 911 thing, im just saying, why advertise it right now? Its not going to help anything at this point. We should all just get him elected and worry about our own beliefs after he wins, when well actually have the freedom to do something about it.


Think about it seriously before getting in peoples face with that stuff........ or any other pet project any of us might have at the moment.

Hi quickmike - thanks for your input. You seem like a pretty liberty minded person. I could maybe understand it too if it was a crowd as you used as an example. But I doubt that that would happen in the near future, unless the public would have a massive awakening. But if that were to occur, then it would probably be beneficial to have a crowd of people wearing 911 t-shirts at a Ron Paul rally.

There actually were many more 911 skeptics at the rally judging from what Kent Snyder said during his recent Alex Jones interview, and I guess they didn't wear 911 t-shirts. So I wouldn't worry too much about. I personally would doubt that someone would change his mind on who to vote for because there were 1 or 2 people in an audience of a thousand who wore a 911 t-shirt. Just my opinion.

But hey - where are the PHOTOS???

[Birdlady]

I am so sick of hearing people complain about the 9-11 truthers. That's all this board has turned into.

I used to agree with those of you who said that it might hurt his message, but it's getting out of hand now. 1 or 2 people aren't going to ruin an entire rally. :rolleyes:

If Ron Paul doesn't win the nomination I guarantee that Alex Jones and 9-11 truthers will be to blame even if they had nothing to do with it.

[quickmike]

I hardly think wearing a 9/11 T Shirt was too radical. It's not like they were bullhorning the place.

Dont give em ideas :D

Seriously though, I just dont understand why anyone has to bring their own personal agendas to a campaign rally, not just Truthers, im talking about anyone with an agenda. Hell, I have agendas to getting RP elected myself, but me advertising them doesnt help get him elected now does it? Liberty is the goal of getting him elected, and with liberty, all of our personal agendas can be satisfied because they are exactly that, PERSONAL.

Who knows, maybe some people like that self importance "look at me" thing about supporting someone. I dont know.

[quickmike]

Hi quickmike - thanks for your input. You seem like a pretty liberty minded person. I could maybe understand it too if it was a crowd as you used as an example. But I doubt that that would happen in the near future, unless the public would have a massive awakening. But if that were to occur, then it would probably be beneficial to have a crowd of people wearing 911 t-shirts at a Ron Paul rally.

There actually were many more 911 skeptics at the rally judging from what Kent Snyder said during his recent Alex Jones interview, and I guess they didn't wear 911 t-shirts. So I wouldn't worry too much about. I personally would doubt that someone would change his mind on who to vote for because there were 1 or 2 people in an audience of a thousand who wore a 911 t-shirt. Just my opinion.

But hey - where are the PHOTOS???

I agree with you completely. All im doing is expressing my lack of understanding why ANYONE with an agenda feels the need to advertise it. Thats all im saying. not just truthers or christians, or gun rights people, or tax people...... cant we just all agree we want liberty and leave it at that?

Maybe im naive

[Wyurm]

Hey, look, I'm ever so very sorry to interrupt this fascinating discussion, however I'm having a very difficult time locating the PHOTOs mentioned in the thread title.

[Benincasa]

I just read your review - thanks for that too. I can't wait for the video. About the infowars.com people, if it was just one or two out of a thousand, I would think then it was just a regular mix of people. Or were they shouting stuff and being disruptive? I hope not. How did they really hurt Ron Paul's message?

I was probably the only one who noticed it. Before the ron paul event (during the forum), and infowars.com person lead a group of ron paul members in a march around the building with a megaphone. Luckily he didnt say anything embarrasing on the megaphone, but he had a hat that said "9/11 was an inside job" on it. Again, they didnt get that much visibilty so it shouldnt hurt the message at all. Just like there is a fringe of die hard socialists who probably support hillary, we probably have a few conspiracy theorist types who support dr. paul.

[PatriotOne]

I was probably the only one who noticed it. Before the ron paul event (during the forum), and infowars.com person lead a group of ron paul members in a march around the building with a megaphone. Luckily he didnt say anything embarrasing on the megaphone, but he had a hat that said "9/11 was an inside job" on it. Again, they didnt get that much visibilty so it shouldnt hurt the message at all. Just like there is a fringe of die hard socialists who probably support hillary, we probably have a few conspiracy theorist types who support dr. paul.


Yeah, just a few.....LOL. I didn't know infowars was there. Was it Alex Jones? Deep, loud voice. Or was it a younger guy?

[Benincasa]

Another question if you don't mind - you're temporarily a celebrity cause you were there :). Was it pretty obvious visually that more people showed up for the Ron Paul than the forum next door? And were the cheers coming out the doors and windows? In short, did we blow them away?

Well, they were at different times, so it wasnt so much of a competition. I would say that we either had equal amounts or more people than the forum however. And, our presence was definetly much more pronounced as there were signs/banners/posters/etc everywhere. By the way, local Iowa news mentioned the Ron Paul rally after talking about the forum tonight and said that it "reached hundreds of iowans."

EDIT: Also, there were frequent mentions from Dr. Paul as well as the other speakers about how we proved that we are not just an "internet phenomonon" and that we proved that he was a viable candidate by turning out such huge numbers. Also, there was a big push for donations and contact information that we were to put in envelopes. I saw a bucket of these envelopes filled to the brim. I think they are going to use our info to organize people for the august fifth straw poll which I will be attending.

[PatriotOne]

Yeah, just a few.....LOL. I didn't know infowars was there. Was it Alex Jones? Deep, loud voice. Or was it a younger guy?

This is what Alex Jones looks like btw:

http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2007/280607report.htm

[oldpaths1611]

People have to realize that there are a lot of Americans who think 9/11 was inside job. All kinds will be coming out for Ron Paul, so everyone better get used to it. Believe me, there are MANY of us that cringe at Christian conservatives, but there may be some who will support Ron Paul. We'll just have to deal with the fact that liberty means different strokes for different folks.

Better get cringing then, because there are more of us here than you know and we support Dr. Paul every bit as much as you do.

[Man from La Mancha]

Did you ever happen to think that many 911 people maybe modified their dress for the better success of Paul because of this talk?




I am so sick of hearing people complain about the 9-11 truthers. That's all this board has turned into.

I used to agree with those of you who said that it might hurt his message, but it's getting out of hand now. 1 or 2 people aren't going to ruin an entire rally. :rolleyes:

If Ron Paul doesn't win the nomination I guarantee that Alex Jones and 9-11 truthers will be to blame even if they had nothing to do with it.

[Benincasa]

This is what Alex Jones looks like btw:

http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/june2007/280607report.htm

I think it was alex jones, but I can't be sure because he had a hat on. The other two infowars.com types that I saw were all gothed/punked out, with reflects well on their ideas, hah.

[PatriotOne]

I think it was alex jones, but I can't be sure because he had a hat on. The other two infowars.com types that I saw were all gothed/punked out, with reflects well on their ideas, hah.

He'll have some excellent footage and commenary if it was him.

[Birdlady]

Did you ever happen to think that many 911 people maybe modified their dress for the better success of Paul because of this talk?

Yes and I am not sure what your point is.

I used to agree with all of you who said that it hurts his campaign. I am changing my mind because people are STILL complaining about 1 or 2 people with a 911 was an inside job shirt.

I personally would have worn a Ron Paul shirt.

I don't like how we say we want people's support and money, but then when the supporters are dressed a little different or think differently we start to attack them.

[WannaBfree]

I am so sick of hearing people complain about the 9-11 truthers. That's all this board has turned into.

I used to agree with those of you who said that it might hurt his message, but it's getting out of hand now. 1 or 2 people aren't going to ruin an entire rally. :rolleyes:

If Ron Paul doesn't win the nomination I guarantee that Alex Jones and 9-11 truthers will be to blame even if they had nothing to do with it.

Yeah, why is it that 911 skeptics are so looked down upon? Is it because they have been portrayed as loonies by mainstream media? I haven't noticed any of them being loonies around here. Or is it that the 911 skeptic haters have researched the evidence and have come to a different conclusion? Or is it that people just can't imagine that the govt would do that and just hate people who have a different opinion? Is it fear? What is it? It reminds me of the reaction peace sign wearers got during the Vietnam war...

The complainers keep saying they don't want it associated with Ron Paul and not to discuss it here but they keep bringing it up every chance they get!

[LibertyEagle]

Better get cringing then, because there are more of us here than you know and we support Dr. Paul every bit as much as you do.

Thank you.

[Benincasa]

The infowars guy also passed out DVDs (which I think he had about 200 of). On each DVD, there were four videos:
1. "Meet Ron Paul" - A great intro to the man with great footage, music, quotes, etc
2. "America: Freedom to Fascism" - The Aaron Russo documentary
3. "Stan Jones" - an alarmist speech about Communism by a Libertarian candidate
4. "Stop the NAU!" - infowars.com propaganda. This stuff is seriously disgusting.

Also, the DVD menu's background picture was a picture of Uncle Sam with his shirt ripped open on a stretcher with doctors looking over him and shocking him with a defibrillator. Again, this stuff is off the edge. Hopefully not many of these got around.


I used to agree with all of you who said that it hurts his campaign. I am changing my mind because people are STILL complaining about 1 or 2 people with a 911 was an inside job shirt.

I brought up the infowars.com people because I am an Iowa voter who has heard little of ron paul before and this is the first day I have been on this site. I got a very bad impression from these people, and it shouldnt be a stretch to say that others in my position may have as well.

[BillyBeer]

Come on people, this is a presidential campaign.

No Bush planned 9/11 shirts. That turns people off. To win the campaign has to be smart and offer a positive message of freedom, which Ron Paul has done. His supporters should wear the coat and tie or other formal attire when speaking to voters or attending rallies.

[LibertyEagle]

WannaBFree:

Because most of it is in 'Hot Topics'.

[FluffyUnbound]

Yeah, why is it that 911 skeptics are so looked down upon? Is it because they have been portrayed as loonies by mainstream media? I haven't noticed any of them being loonies around here. Or is it that the 911 skeptic haters have researched the evidence and have come to a different conclusion? Or is it that people just can't imagine that the govt would do that and just hate people who have a different opinion? Is it fear? What is it? It reminds me of the reaction peace sign wearers got during the Vietnam war...

The complainers keep saying they don't want it associated with Ron Paul and not to discuss it here but they keep bringing it up every chance they get!

I think the reason people have a problem with it is because Paul has said he doesn't think 9/11 was an inside job, but the Truther community still seems strangely excited about his candidacy despite this denial. This results in the world at large assuming that ALL Paul supporters are Truthers. Those of us who aren't Truthers got tired of patiently explaining that not all Paul supporters are Truthers and that we personally are not Truthers about two weeks after the first debate.

[Electric Church]

I went to the rally and it was excellent. Dr. Paul spoke for about two hours (plus the other speakers). The free food was good. There were easily 1000+ people. The best part was that everyone walking in to the forum was immediately met with HUGE ron paul signs. The reception was amazing, and I attached a few things that I got on my camera although I have to warn you they are low quality and will only hold you over until some good stuff comes in (1 video I took just to see if my camera could do it, and a photo of the crowd). The rally was great except for one thing: it was too bad that the infowars.com people were there. They really hurt the message. T-shirts that said "9/11 was an inside job" drew scoffs from Iowans like myself. Luckily there was on 1-2 people with ridicuous stuff on like this in a crow of 1000+. Besides this, the rally was great!! I particularly enjoyed the standing ovation he recieved when he said that the US should pull out of the UN.:D

Crowd (1000+ people) (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn0240ot8.gif)

Short clip of speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6HvzaQi57A)


nice pic. short vid but better than nothin...thanks:)

[PatriotOne]

4. "Stop the NAU!" - infowars.com propaganda. This stuff is seriously disgusting.


Why is that disgusting? It's not a conspiracy theory....it's a conspiracy fact.

[jd603]

Thats fine but there's no need to play 9/11 activist and Ron Paul supporter at the same time on the same day. It's potentially detrimental to Ron's campaign (maybe not too much but still). Separating the two is a good idea. You don't want to throw too much at people at the same time. Stick to one or the other per day.



People have to realize that there are a lot of Americans who think 9/11 was inside job. All kinds will be coming out for Ron Paul, so everyone better get used to it. Believe me, there are MANY of us that cringe at Christian conservatives, but there may be some who will support Ron Paul. We'll just have to deal with the fact that liberty means different strokes for different folks.

[Benincasa]

Why is that disgusting? It's not a conspiracy theory....it's a conspiracy fact.

And, its a "conspiracy fact" that it isolates voters and caucus goers like me who aren't internet junkies and who have just recently heard of paul. When I put in the DVD, and I see the disgusting picture I described earlier (shirtless unlce sam being electrocuted on an operating table), this does not persuade me or other voters. Not to mention that Dr. Paul does not endorse these views, but the 9-11 truthers take it upon themselves to muddle his message.

However, i dint want to ruin the spirit. The rally was AWESOME, and although these conspiracy theorists were there, they detracted little from the experience (just hope they didn't pass out too many DVDs). The whole experience was very positive and we turned out in numbers that proved out cause is a legitimate one.

[LibertyEagle]

The infowars guy also passed out DVDs (which I think he had about 200 of). On each DVD, there were four videos:
1. "Meet Ron Paul" - A great intro to the man with great footage, music, quotes, etc
2. "America: Freedom to Fascism" - The Aaron Russo documentary
3. "Stan Jones" - an alarmist speech about Communism by a Libertarian candidate
4. "Stop the NAU!" - infowars.com propaganda. This stuff is seriously disgusting.

Also, the DVD menu's background picture was a picture of Uncle Sam with his shirt ripped open on a stretcher with doctors looking over him and shocking him with a defibrillator. Again, this stuff is off the edge. Hopefully not many of these got around.

Let me say, I agree that we should keep private agendas private, while campaigning for Dr. Paul. I am not a 9-11 activist. However, Dr. Paul has spoken openly about the SPP and North American Union. So, I don't see how that part is out of line. I'm sure you've heard of Phyllis Schlafly. Well, she has a complete web page filled with links to articles about this thing. http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/NAU/ The Minutemen have also set up a site stock full of documents, articles, including SPP working group documents obtained through FOIA requests. These documents are also on Judicial Watch's website. None of these are what one could call, conspiracy theory sites. Did you know that at last check NINETEEN states had legislation in the works denouncing the SPP/NAU? There has also been such a resolution entered in our House of Representatives.

Both Tom Tancredo and Ron Paul have openly talked about the North American Union.

[PatriotOne]

And, its a "conspiracy fact" that it isolates voters and caucus goers like me who arent internet junkies and who have just recently heard of paul. When I put in the DVD, and I see the disgusting picture I described earlier (shirtless unlce sam being electricuted on an operating tabe), this does not persuade me or other voters. Not to mention that Dr. Paul does not endorse these views, but the 9-11 truthers take it upon themselves to muddle his message.

Actually, Ron Paul does talk about the NAU. He's very aware of it.

Alex Jones could have brought several differnet 9/11 video's to the rally. He didn't and I think that showed respect for Ron Paul position.

All those video's he brought were in line with Ron Pauls views.

[Benincasa]

Let me say, I agree that we should keep private agendas private, while campaigning for Dr. Paul. However, Dr. Paul has spoken openly about the SPP and North American Union.

I agree, these are valid concerns. This video clip wasnt all that bad, it just had a negative tone. I am sure no one found it as awful as the infowars footage.

[Electric Church]

I .....infowars.com person lead a group


hey thanks for the plugs for www.infowars.com. Don't forget about www.prisonplanet.com as well. :cool:

[G-khan]

Why is that disgusting? It's not a conspiracy theory....it's a conspiracy fact.

It may be a fact in your mind - but not mine... Yes I have read just about everything there is on this issue....... I run a website that has a conspiracy section and we have about 700,000 posts..

[PatriotOne]

Maybe it's the packaging you are not liking and that's okay. Alex Jones may be radical sometimes, but I'll be darned if he isn't accurate.

[LibertyEagle]

I agree, these are valid concerns. This video clip wasnt all that bad, it just had a negative tone. I am sure no one found it as awful as the infowars footage.

What footage? What was in it?

[quickmike]

This is my only point, and last post on this subject.

I like guns. I own lots of guns and believe its none of the governments business if I own them. At the same time, im not gonna show up at a RP rally with a t-shirt that says "they can take my guns when they pry them from my cold dead hands"

Know why I wont do this? Simply because it might give some people the wrong impression of what RP supporters are, it might make some people jump to conclusions about me or my character. Is it unfair, yes it is, but im not willing to take the risk of turning off even a single voter to RP's message due to my own personal agendas.

dont be so damn selfish people...... this is too important to let our selfish egos get in the way of his message, even if it only effects a few people in a room.

Thats all im saying.

[LibertyEagle]

hey thanks for the plugs for www.infowars.com. Don't forget about www.prisonplanet.com as well. :cool:

Case in point. This campaign isn't for the purpose of furthering AJ's 9-11 truth movement. It is for getting Ron Paul elected President.

[LibertyEagle]

quickmike...

It's "cold dead fingers". ;)

[quickmike]

quickmike...

It's "cold dead fingers". ;)


Whatever.......... you know what im saying:D

[LibertyEagle]

This is my only point, and last post on this subject.

I like guns. I own lots of guns and believe its none of the governments business if I own them. At the same time, im not gonna show up at a RP rally with a t-shirt that says "they can take my guns when they pry them from my cold dead hands"

Know why I wont do this? Simply because it might give some people the wrong impression of what RP supporters are, it might make some people jump to conclusions about me or my character. Is it unfair, yes it is, but im not willing to take the risk of turning off even a single voter to RP's message due to my own personal agendas.

dont be so damn selfish people...... this is too important to let our selfish egos get in the way of his message, even if it only effects a few people in a room.

Thats all im saying.

I agree. Dr. Paul has something that most of the rest of us do not have. He has the ability to talk about things like abolishing the IRS, even the Federal Reserve and not come off like a kook. He has a calm, reasoned approach to his explanations. Maybe we're better off just leaving the explanations to him and just spreading HIS words.

Just my thoughts.

[ecliptic]

Case in point. This campaign isn't for the purpose of furthering AJ's 9-11 truth movement. It is for getting Ron Paul elected President.

Alex is more about fighting the police state and one world government than anything. 911 truth is one of hundreds of topics he covers. You never miss a chance to belittle these good patriotic intelligent truth seeking individuals do you, LibertyEagle? It's like a frickin obsession with you. You are the one with the agenda.

[Thomas_Paine]

This is my only point, and last post on this subject.

I like guns. I own lots of guns and believe its none of the governments business if I own them. At the same time, im not gonna show up at a RP rally with a t-shirt that says "they can take my guns when they pry them from my cold dead hands"

Know why I wont do this? Simply because it might give some people the wrong impression of what RP supporters are, it might make some people jump to conclusions about me or my character. Is it unfair, yes it is, but im not willing to take the risk of turning off even a single voter to RP's message due to my own personal agendas.

dont be so damn selfish people...... this is too important to let our selfish egos get in the way of his message, even if it only effects a few people in a room.

Thats all im saying.

Amen brother

[Electric Church]

Case in point. This campaign isn't for the purpose of furthering AJ's 9-11 truth movement. It is for getting Ron Paul elected President.


Well whether you guys like it or not, the more you try to diss Alex Jones and the 9-11 truth movement the more exposure you give to these movements. Do you really think that just because people read your negative post about infowars.com that they are not going to look into it themselves and decide for themselves whether or not they are just a bunch of conspiracy kooks?

Keep it up because truth does have a trendency of blowing up in peoples faces.

[cujothekitten]

Some more video

Ron Paul in Iowa: Nat'l Anthem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-V1aTfROn4

pt 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-1paXu2IN0

2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkezM8HaWWA

3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l37vLUXc6bY

4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaJyrHqYkxo

5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn2Gzfk6Gww

pt 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W56PMOvsaSA

[jd603]

I second that, Ron Paul is so much bigger than 9/11. I still think people shouldn't be a 9/11 activist and Ron Paul supporter on the same day, rotate.


Well whether you guys like it or not, the more you try to diss Alex Jones and the 9-11 truth movement the more exposure you give to these movements. Do you really think that just because people read your negative post about infowars.com that they are not going to look into it themselves and decide for themselves whether or not they are just a bunch of conspiracy kooks?

Keep it up because truth does have a trendency of blowing up in peoples faces.

[LibertyEagle]

Alex is more about fighting the police state and one world government than anything. 911 truth is one of hundreds of topics he covers. You never miss a chance to belittle these good patriotic intelligent truth seeking individuals do you, LibertyEagle? It's like a frickin obsession with you. You are the one with the agenda.

And you have a habit of not reading the entire thread. If you look up just a little bit, you will see that I defended some of what AJ was handing out. But, don't let reality cloud your judgment though.

[jd603]

Great thanks!!!!!


Some more video

Ron Paul in Iowa: Nat'l Anthem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-V1aTfROn4

pt 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-1paXu2IN0

2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkezM8HaWWA

3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l37vLUXc6bY

4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaJyrHqYkxo

[Benincasa]

I just watched the whole thing, and I think I might be overreacting a bit. Thankfully, there isnt any 9-11 truth type stuff in their like I feared. It starts off with a warning that you are commiting a crime by posessing this video. Then, it blares some punk music before launching into the NAU/amero kind of stuff.

I still think the DVD was distasteful except for the part on Ron paul (the tone was negative and alarmist, etc). However, it wasnt as bad as I thought initially. It probably didnt turn too many voters away, although it probably didnt attract any either.


Do you really think that just because people read your negative post about infowars.com that they are not going to look into it themselves and decide for themselves whether or not they are just a bunch of conspiracy kooks?

Good, I am all about critical thinking. However, these people gave a bad impression to me, and not just because they smelled like pot and dressed like goths, but because they distributed a DVD that has a negative tone, which is opposite to ron paul's message. First impressions make a big difference. If you want to tell everyone that Bush caused 9-11 and Hurricane Katrina, etc, then you do not need to do it with a Ron Paul shirt on. Again, I am an average Iowan voter who doesnt know much about Dr. Paul, who registered at this site today, and I think that I can speak for other Iowans who came in contact with these types when I say that the impression was very negative.

The rally, and Ron Paul himself were very positive and his speech was excellent. He left everyone feeling like we could do something to help. It was uplifting and I am glad I could be there and look forward to straw polling for him and caucusing for him later. We are focusing on the negative and I want to get away from that. This rally was a resounding success.

[Spirit of '76]

This is my only point, and last post on this subject.

I like guns. I own lots of guns and believe its none of the governments business if I own them. At the same time, im not gonna show up at a RP rally with a t-shirt that says "they can take my guns when they pry them from my cold dead hands"

Know why I wont do this? Simply because it might give some people the wrong impression of what RP supporters are, it might make some people jump to conclusions about me or my character. Is it unfair, yes it is, but im not willing to take the risk of turning off even a single voter to RP's message due to my own personal agendas.

dont be so damn selfish people...... this is too important to let our selfish egos get in the way of his message, even if it only effects a few people in a room.

Thats all im saying.

Hear, hear!

[Spirit of '76]

Some more video

Ron Paul in Iowa: Nat'l Anthem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-V1aTfROn4

pt 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-1paXu2IN0

2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkezM8HaWWA

3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l37vLUXc6bY

4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaJyrHqYkxo

5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn2Gzfk6Gww


There'd better not be any damned RickRollin' mixed in there. :p

[Electric Church]

Some more video

Ron Paul in Iowa: Nat'l Anthem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-V1aTfROn4

pt 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-1paXu2IN0

2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkezM8HaWWA

3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l37vLUXc6bY

4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaJyrHqYkxo

5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn2Gzfk6Gww

ahhh i've been waiting for another fix...thank you

[ecliptic]

The complainers keep saying they don't want it associated with Ron Paul and not to discuss it here but they keep bringing it up every chance they get!
Precisely!

[WannaBfree]

Dont give em ideas :D

Seriously though, I just dont understand why anyone has to bring their own personal agendas to a campaign rally, not just Truthers, im talking about anyone with an agenda. Hell, I have agendas to getting RP elected myself, but me advertising them doesnt help get him elected now does it? Liberty is the goal of getting him elected, and with liberty, all of our personal agendas can be satisfied because they are exactly that, PERSONAL.

Who knows, maybe some people like that self importance "look at me" thing about supporting someone. I dont know.


Could be... could be...

Would you wear a Ron Paul t-shirt to a PTA meeting? Or to a Democratic rally? I guess that depends on how strongly you feel about Paul...

Maybe those guys wear the 911 t-shirts because they feel strongly about something too. Maybe they feel it's important to bring that theory into public consciousness so people will have a look at it. Who knows, they might see their agenda as something bigger than a personal one. Could be 'cause I know thats' how I feel about Ron Paul.

Just my opinion. Thanks for reading.

[quickmike]

Well whether you guys like it or not, the more you try to diss Alex Jones and the 9-11 truth movement the more exposure you give to these movements. Do you really think that just because people read your negative post about infowars.com that they are not going to look into it themselves and decide for themselves whether or not they are just a bunch of conspiracy kooks?

Keep it up because truth does have a trendency of blowing up in peoples faces.

Yeah, and most people believe in the JFK theory that there was more than one gunman, but we didnt convict anyone now did we?

So whats the goal of tying RP's candidacy to 911? Will it help him get elected? I dont think spouting any of our personal agendas helps that......... not even mine.

I dont get it.

[cujothekitten]

pt 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W56PMOvsaSA

[WannaBfree]

Some more video

Ron Paul in Iowa: Nat'l Anthem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-V1aTfROn4

pt 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-1paXu2IN0

2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkezM8HaWWA

3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l37vLUXc6bY

4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaJyrHqYkxo

5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn2Gzfk6Gww

Thank you so much!!!! Gonna watch them right now. Woohoo!!

[Benincasa]

Could be... could be...

Would you wear a Ron Paul t-shirt to a PTA meeting? Or to a Democratic rally? I guess that depends on how strongly you feel about Paul...

Maybe those guys wear the 911 t-shirts because they feel strongly about something too. Maybe they feel it's important to bring that theory into public consciousness so people will have a look at it. Who knows, they might see their agenda as something bigger than a personal one. Could be 'cause I know thats' how I feel about Ron Paul.

I was at the straw polls for the last cycle, and there were republicans who were carrying big billboards with graphic pictures of aborted fetuses. There is a time and a place, but when you are trying to attract voters, this is the wrong approach.

[LibertyEagle]

pt 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W56PMOvsaSA

Oh man, this man needs bodyguards.

[dseisner]

Case in point. This campaign isn't for the purpose of furthering AJ's 9-11 truth movement. It is for getting Ron Paul elected President.

Yea, it's difficult to believe that the govt. are the ones who executed these horrifying acts but for a lot of people, learning and accepting the truth about 9/11 will motivate them much more to vote for RP and be a vocal supporter. The way that I got into RP was by watching America: Freedom to Fascism. After I watched the movie I felt compelled to do something. Now I'm dedicated to spreading any truth that will help restore the republic. Even if RP gets elected, a real revolution will only come when we awaken the sleepers.

p.s. I quote Michael Douglas in The American President, "America is tough citizenship, you've gotta want it bad." We all have a responsibility to educate ourselves and be a part of this country, good and bad. Our apathy and laziness will breed the tyranny.

[jron]

I wish you guys would start using google video. these 3 min clips are really overkill. I appreciate your effort though =)

[LibertyEagle]

Yea, it's difficult to believe that the govt. are the ones who executed these horrifying acts but for a lot of people, learning and accepting the truth about 9/11 will motivate them much more to vote for RP and be a vocal supporter. The way that I got into RP was by watching America: Freedom to Fascism. After I watched the movie I felt compelled to do something. Now I'm dedicated to spreading any truth that will help restore the republic. Even if RP gets elected, a real revolution will only come when we awaken the sleepers.

p.s. I quote Michael Douglas in The American President, "America is tough citizenship, you've gotta want it bad." We all have a responsibility to educate ourselves and be a part of this country, good and bad. Our apathy and laziness will breed the tyranny.

All we're saying is to please SEPARATE your 9-11 activism from campaigning for Dr. Paul. That's all. Just do them on separate days, please.

[Thomas_Paine]

After reading 100's of comments on the Ron Paul forum about Alex Jones (and the controversy which seems to follow) I thought I may as well pitch in my 2 cents since I am a 100% Ron Paul supporter and a listener of Alex Jones.

The only "agenda" that matters is the philosophy of liberty as the only hope for the survival of the human race (not necessarily in those extreme terms but you get the point people). Ron Paul is the most SOLID political philosopher I have yet encountered, his clear mind and stubborn adherence to principle is unrivaled in my opinion.

Alex Jones is a HARDCORE ENEMY and HATER of the global elites. Regardless of the details both Alex and Ron KNOW the source of the trouble, the Private Federal Reserve (I recommended challenging people across the nation to PROVE the Fed is government) banksters that are running the show (and always have, read Jefferson). I do NOT adhere to Jones' religious views, but I do respect his growling voice that thunders out some of the best analysis of behind the scenes government and corporate activities.

That said, I DO NOT agree with pushing 911 or AJ in regards to RP, we are electing a President, not a radio personality. I have tried to talk to people about 911 and I rarely get any positive interaction so I've basically dropped it and decided to sharpen my knowledge and skills in liberty.

I am interested to see what if any effect this Loose Change movie will have on the primaries. I have been interested to see how the Medias labeling of INSANITY will combat such a movie.

[richard1984]

Oh man, this man needs bodyguards.

I agree. I know some people think it's stupid to be worried about Dr. Paul's safety, but I really don't understand why. Just look at the sort of people he opposes--some of the most corrupt, dangerous, and wealthy people in the world. If they don't have a problem with financing a war for the sake of greed and power, what makes you think they'd have a change in conscience when it comes to assassination? Anyway, I'm not trying to sound ridiculous. But do you remember JFK?

[jj111]

I believe RP should have a bodyguard. I would assume he can afford to hire one with the campaign funds. It is Ron Paul's call as to how much protection he will insist upon at any given time in this campaign. I truly admire the man's courage, as he is risking his life for the cause of delivering the message of liberty.

[ecliptic]

I think it was alex jones, but I can't be sure because he had a hat on. The other two infowars.com types that I saw were all gothed/punked out, with reflects well on their ideas, hah.

You need to stop insulting people such as myself who happen to have a more enlightened appreciation of "deep politics" and "advanced geopolitical intrigue" than yourself. No more stereotyping, no more name calling, just frickin stop already. This is out of hand.

September 11th was not an "inside job", it was an "outside job" in that the elements involved are above any single government or intelligence agency. Just as some international bankers ( including Jewish bankers ) and wall street people ( including W's grandpa ) financed and managed Hitler through their agent Martin Bormann... just as the European Union was in the planning stages years before anyone had heard of it... just as the Oklahoma City bombing was NOT the work of Timothy McVeigh per se, but actually involved several bombs already inside the Murrah building... and on and on...

The over-simplification of most "truthers" in calling the 911 attacks an "inside job" is not necessarily wrong, it just takes an incredibly complicated topic and attempts to make it into a sound bite.

It's clear that 911 truth is a very bitter pill. Too bad. Do some research:

Patriots Question 911 (http://patriotsquestion911.com/)

SPINE (http://www.physics911.net/spine)

Pilots for 911 truth (http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/)

Scholars for 911 Truth (http://www.st911.org/)

Journal of 911 Studies (http://www.journalof911studies.com/)

The Global Drug Meta-group (http://lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/global-drug.htm)

PROMIS and Ptech (http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1322.shtml)

Project for the Exposure of Hidden Institutions (http://www.pehi.eu/)

I could go on for quite a bit longer, but these couple of terabytes should be enough to get you started thinking about who really runs the world and how they go about it...

PEACE

[foofighter20x]

Don't worry, guys.

After Bobby Kennedy was shot in 1968, Secret Service protection has been offered to all presidential candidates. (Remember when Kerry ate snow when skiing and said the SecServ agent "pushed" him?)

Hmm... SecServ protection... Maybe you should worry.

[damijin]

And here I thought this thread was about photos...

I got misled harder than the American people in 2003! (rimshot)

[LibertyEagle]

You need to stop insulting people such as myself who happen to have a more enlightened appreciation of "deep politics" and "advanced geopolitical intrigue" than yourself.

And this is not supposed to be insulting? :)

[LibertyEagle]

Don't worry, guys.

After Bobby Kennedy was shot in 1968, Secret Service protection has been offered to all presidential candidates. (Remember when Kerry ate snow when skiing and said the SecServ agent "pushed" him?)

Hmm... SecServ protection... Maybe you should worry.

Yeah, the Secret Service were so very helpful when JFK was murdered.

[JoshLowry]

The rally was awesome! So worth the trip... 1000+ people. :D

Please keep the thread on topic. This thread is about rally photos.

[cujothekitten]

The rally was awesome! So worth the trip... 1000+ people. :D

Please keep the thread on topic. This thread is about rally photos.

Have you seen the reports yet? They're saying there were only 500

[LibertyEagle]

Josh, how many people at Dr. Paul's speech do you think were Iowans?

[richard1984]

How do they think they are going to get away with saying there were only about 500 people there? (Wanna talk about conspiracy theories...geez...how blatant.)

[JoshLowry]

Have you seen the reports yet? They're saying there were only 500

Yeah, reporters are great, aren't they?


Josh, how many people at Dr. Paul's speech do you think were Iowans?

I have no clue. It was less than 100% ;)

[WannaBfree]

pt 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W56PMOvsaSA

Let's keep an eye on the view count..

[austinphish]

People have to realize that there are a lot of Americans who think 9/11 was inside job. All kinds will be coming out for Ron Paul, so everyone better get used to it. Believe me, there are MANY of us that cringe at Christian conservatives, but there may be some who will support Ron Paul. We'll just have to deal with the fact that liberty means different strokes for different folks.

HERE HERE - i argue that all the time on this forum. I am not a truther, and more of a Christian but I agree - we have to make this a big tent. I hate to point fingers, but the anti-truthers are way too intolerant. The truthers on this forum have been very reasonable.

[cujothekitten]

Let's keep an eye on the view count..

The counter isn't live; it takes a while to catch up.

[richard1984]

I just wanted to say:

RON PAUL IS MY PRESIDENT!!!

[Joe Knows]

I just wanted to say:

RON PAUL IS MY PRESIDENT!!!

I beg to differ. RON PAUL IS OUR PRESIDENT!!!

[WannaBfree]

How about that Star Spangled Banner footage. POWERFUL!! Watched it 3 times. And cried.

[richard1984]

I beg to differ. RON PAUL IS OUR PRESIDENT!!!

Glad to hear it!

[Roxi]

and infowars.com person lead a group of ron paul members in a march around the building with a megaphone

it is our responsibility as a group to tell people who "lead marches" for an off topic to cool it. We have to be able to trust each other to back each other up in telling these people to stop with acts such as these.

whether the message is sincere or it is an intentional attempt to discredit us is irrelevant. what matters is that we act together to stop it when it happens. It is counter productive -- no one is convinced by bullhorns, chants, in your face behavior, or shoving fringe issues down their throats.

let Ron Paul speak for himself.

ENOUGH SAID

[WannaBfree]

I was probably the only one who noticed it. Before the ron paul event (during the forum), and infowars.com person lead a group of ron paul members in a march around the building with a megaphone. Luckily he didnt say anything embarrasing on the megaphone, but he had a hat that said "9/11 was an inside job" on it. Again, they didnt get that much visibilty so it shouldnt hurt the message at all. Just like there is a fringe of die hard socialists who probably support hillary, we probably have a few conspiracy theorist types who support dr. paul.

Just curious, what were they saying into the megaphone?

[Perpetual]

Just curious, what were they saying into the megaphone?

Pretty generic stuff, actually. I honestly had no idea they were 9/11 people until people here said they were. It was just a lot of Ron PAUL! Ron PAUL! Whos our man? RON PAUL!

Totally innocuous, at least inside the building. If they were doing something outside, I didnt see it.

[WannaBfree]

I was at the straw polls for the last cycle, and there were republicans who were carrying big billboards with graphic pictures of aborted fetuses. There is a time and a place, but when you are trying to attract voters, this is the wrong approach.

Well, they might attract voters who are against abortion. Might make a few people against abortion too. But yeah, I get your point, who wants to see graphic pictures of aborted fetuses. That would be like 911 skeptics carrying billboards of 911 victims.

[Perpetual]

That would be like 911 skeptics carrying billboards of 911 victims.

No no, you've got it backwards. Propping up the 9/11 victims makes you patriotic. You need to look over the notes Rudy gave you.

Sorry, off topic.

[WannaBfree]

No no, you've got it backwards. Propping up the 9/11 victims makes you patriotic. You need to look over the notes Rudy gave you.

Sorry, off topic.

Hi Perpetual. Welcome aboard. I was actually talking about bloody graphic photos. I think maybe you're misunderstanding the conversation. I'm a Ron Paul supporter btw.

[IrrigatedPancake]

I think we need a sticky about how we have been keeping the peace within the vast range of views of Ron Paul supporters/members of this forum. Most of the 9/11 related arguments involve a few people that have not been members of the forum for more than a couple of weeks and probably haven't witnessed how we've come to handle topics that divide members in their beliefs.

Inside job, or policy-instigated attack the conclusion is the same: Government is way too powerful, does too much in our name outside of the US, lacks concern for the impact it has on lives inside the US, and it can not be allowed to continue behaving this way without having to rely on the people for the means to do so (so they can refuse to give those means).

[PatriotOne]

it is our responsibility as a group to tell people who "lead marches" for an off topic to cool it. We have to be able to trust each other to back each other up in telling these people to stop with acts such as these.

whether the message is sincere or it is an intentional attempt to discredit us is irrelevant. what matters is that we act together to stop it when it happens. It is counter productive -- no one is convinced by bullhorns, chants, in your face behavior, or shoving fringe issues down their throats.

let Ron Paul speak for himself.

ENOUGH SAID

I can't see anything on this thread that says there were any marches led about 9/11 so not sure why you even said that but..................

Ironically, it's people like you that will hold Ron Paul back...not them. I suggest everyone needs to tell you to sit down and shut up and get out of the truthers way before they make you roadkill. They are the ones trying to save your sorry ass from your own ignorance.

Perhaps you should spend some time researching 9/11 so you won't be a liability. If not, I suggest you take cover...because it's going to get ugly the further down the road this gets.

You may not be enlightened yet, but when we say we are having an American Revolution, you can't even begin to understand the seriousness of it. You should be thanking the truthers...they are the ones making a difference in the world today. Not you.

I'm done being nice about this. Unless you go research 9/11 for yourself, I'm not letting you judge us without calling you and people like you on it anymore.

I'm 42, I have an IQ of 134, a professional who worked for the Presidents Office of an 18,000 employee superfunded Government program AND I know something that you don't. Calling us fringe doesn't even begin to phase us....this is just too important to let people like you stand in our way.

Save your breath and support Ron Paul in your own way...because we sure will whether you like it or not.

[RohanT]

I can't see anything on this thread that says there were any marches led about 9/11 so not sure why you even said that but..................

Ironically, it's people like you that will hold Ron Paul back...not them. I suggest everyone needs to tell you to sit down and shut up and get out of the truthers way before they make you roadkill. They are the ones trying to save your sorry ass from your own ignorance.

Perhaps you should spend some time researching 9/11 so you won't be a liability. If not, I suggest you take cover...because it's going to get ugly the further down the road this gets.

You may not be enlightened yet, but when we say we are having an American Revolution, you can't even begin to understand the seriousness of it. You should be thanking the truthers...they are the ones making a difference in the world today. Not you.

I'm done being nice about this. Unless you go research 9/11 for yourself, I'm not letting you judge us without calling you and people like you on it anymore.

I'm 42, I have an IQ of 134, a professional who worked for the Presidents Office of an 18,000 employee superfunded Government program AND I know something that you don't. Calling us fringe doesn't even begin to phase us....this is just too important to let people like you stand in our way.

Save your breath and support Ron Paul in your own way...because we sure will whether you like it or not.

Go to bed.

[Tin_Foil_Hat]

Wow, I thought I'd see some photos, like the title of the thread says.

No...just "I saw 2 people with 911 t-shirts" and Alex Jones blah blah blah. Why is it that the people who DON'T like 911 talk are the ones who talk about it so much? :confused: :confused: :confused:

BTW, how about that gold fringe around the flag behind Dr. Paul? <woo woo woo woo>

[LibertyEagle]

Patriot..

All I can say is, I hope you get some well-deserved rest and come back tomorrow and see what you implied in your post above.

[sunny]

I agree. Dr. Paul has something that most of the rest of us do not have. He has the ability to talk about things like abolishing the IRS, even the Federal Reserve and not come off like a kook. He has a calm, reasoned approach to his explanations. Maybe we're better off just leaving the explanations to him and just spreading HIS words.

Just my thoughts.

well said quick mike!
i've just read all the comments up to here and there's alotta talk about a jones and 9-11 and it's a waste of time. i'm here for stuff about dr. paul and what we can do for him!
cannot we just take his advice and lead by example???

[The Dane]

About the truther subject.

As a repost on one who did not like some handed out inforwars material at the conference:


Why is that disgusting? It's not a conspiracy theory....it's a conspiracy fact.

Beware "PatriotOne" you say that to a person who has only known Ron Paul a few days. That is rediculous.

Some people should start grow a brain here.

[WannaBfree]

I second that, Ron Paul is so much bigger than 9/11. I still think people shouldn't be a 9/11 activist and Ron Paul supporter on the same day, rotate.

Well, it sure doesn't sound like people were mixing their agendas at the forum.

There was a report of "one or two" people who wore 911 t-shirts. Two out of a thousand is .2% That's one or two people out of a thousand people, and there is all this fuss about it here . Isn't that a little weird?

And then there were some "truthers" marching and shouting "Ron Paul! Ron Paul!" into a megaphone during the tax forum (wonder if Edward Failor heard that inside). The forum member who saw this didn't know they were "truthers", until someone called them that on this forum.

Some other "truthers" were there, passing out DVDs of the following videos: "Meet Ron Paul", "America: Freedom to Fascism", "Stan Jones" (Liberatarian candidate), and "Stop the North American Union". No 911 videos were included by the "truthers".

Finally, there was a report of two infowars.com "types" who were all gothed out, and smelled like pot. There, however, were no reports of any prisonplanet.com "types".

Kent Snyder, Ron Paul's campaign chairman, mentioned in the recent Alex Jones radio show interview that many Alex Jones listeners called their office and got tickets for Iowa. So I guess the rest of the "truthers" seemed just like you and me. Probably because that's what they are. Not the nutjobs that mainstream media portrays them as.

Overall, it doesn't sound like people were mixing agendas if you ask me. And I don't see why a photo thread had to turn into this thread because of it. Not that this isn't a really interesting thread. :)

[Electric Church]

man alive...are you guys still talkin about Jones and 911 truthers? Are you advertising for these movements or what? Let me help you out: www.infowars.com or www.prisonplanet.com The Jones listeners are one of the biggest, if not the biggest, single movement that supports Ron Paul.

People listen. Not everyone one this forum is a true Ron Paul supporter. There are a few here that are posing as Ron Paul supporters but are actually from the other side, saboteurs who are trying to create divisions within the movement. Think of what is at stake if Ron Paul is successful. The Federal Reserve, the ones who run this country have a lot to loose and they have a lot of fiat currency to offer to those who love money more than truth and liberty. These bastards are on this forum without a doubt so please try to recognize them.

[LibertyEagle]

Yes, everyone remember to bring your decoder rings next time, so you can be identified. :rolleyes:

[Electric Church]

Yes, everyone remember to bring your decoder rings next time, so you can be identified. :rolleyes:

you've been identified a long time ago and not with a decoder ring but by all the trash that keeps pouring out of your mouth:)

[LibertyEagle]

I've been "identified". ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo......... Oh no!!!! :eek:

Give me a friggin' break. Your paranoia is showing.

[Electric Church]

shouldn't you be spending more time in your thread that supports the smiling blond guy's $30,000 video scam?

[Electric Church]

Finally, there was a report of two infowars.com "types" who were all gothed out, and smelled like pot. There, however, were no reports of any prisonplanet.com "types".



Loose Change 2nd Edition
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501

Alex Jones Terrorstorm: gives historical proof obtained from
government-declassified documents of “False Flag” operations used as a
pretext for war:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230
:)

[Electric Church]

Loose Change 2nd Edition
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501

Alex Jones Terrorstorm: gives historical proof obtained from
government-declassified documents of “False Flag” operations used as a
pretext for war:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230
:)


let it be known that anytime you fed disinfo bastards come on here trying to diss Jones and 911 truthers I am going to respond with the following post:

Loose Change 2nd Edition
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501

Alex Jones Terrorstorm: gives historical proof obtained from
government-declassified documents of “False Flag” operations used as a
pretext for war:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230
:)

[LibertyEagle]

shouldn't you be spending more time in your thread that supports the smiling blond guy's $30,000 video scam?

Oh yeah, you're the Canadian guy who was telling everyone not to help him, over and over and over again. Thanks for reminding us.

[LibertyEagle]

Electric Church:

Maybe next time around you can get him to run for office. THIS campaign however is about Dr. Paul.

[JTCoyoté]

Giuliani anyone?

Actually when you consider the equipment used and the size of the crowd... it is pretty good and Dr. Paul's message, in this case on the right to life issue is quite clear...

As to Mr Giuliani??? I save my Sundays for contemplation of pleasant things, so I'll pass thank you.

As to the info-warriors, they are as essential as the Committee of Correspondence was in the besieged Colonies 240 years ago... Those of you who rabidly try to debunk every word of anyone who has a question about 9-11 are the problem here...

JTCoyoté

"You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in their struggle for independence." -- C. A. Beard

[propanes]

I'm visiting this thread to find photos of the Iowa rally. But instead I find there's a lot of heated aruguing about this or that not related directly to the topic. Has anyone posted photos from the event? Thank you

[LibertyEagle]

I've only seen one, propanes.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

People have to realize that there are a lot of Americans who think 9/11 was inside job. All kinds will be coming out for Ron Paul, so everyone better get used to it. Believe me, there are MANY of us that cringe at Christian conservatives, but there may be some who will support Ron Paul. We'll just have to deal with the fact that liberty means different strokes for different folks.

What kind of response would you have if you saw a room full of people with shirts that said "Pray the rosary for Ron Paul" or "A Vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Jesus."?

That's fine to want a full investigation of 9/11. I think RP has said he wants that too. But you're not going to convince non-supporters of Ron Paul to support him by wearing a 9/11 Was an Inside Job tshirt. You're not going to get anyone to believe 9/11 was an inside job JUST by wearing a tshirt. The only way you're going to accomplish your goal of an investigation is by getting Ron Paul elected, and you're doing the opposite with these tshirts.

[quickmike]

What kind of response would you have if you saw a room full of people with shirts that said "Pray the rosary for Ron Paul" or "A Vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Jesus."?

That's fine to want a full investigation of 9/11. I think RP has said he wants that too. But you're not going to convince non-supporters of Ron Paul to support him by wearing a 9/11 Was an Inside Job tshirt. You're not going to get anyone to believe 9/11 was an inside job JUST by wearing a tshirt. The only way you're going to accomplish your goal of an investigation is by getting Ron Paul elected, and you're doing the opposite with these tshirts.


BINGO!!!!

I have questions about 911 myself, but it has nothing to do with getting RP elected so its a moot point.

[Santana28]

http://s37.photobucket.com/albums/e63/Santana28HHH/

theres the link to my photobucket album. i was there, i took those photos.

Whats all the arguing about? There were one or two people with 911 type shirts on... but i was there the whole day and not one time did i see anyone being disruptive. everyone is entitled to their own opinions - thats part of the charm of the Ron Paul campaign :)

when the message is sound you really don't have to TRY and impress anyone. it speaks for itself.

[smtwngrl]

Yay, pictures! ;) :D

[LastoftheMohicans]

What kind of response would you have if you saw a room full of people with shirts that said "Pray the rosary for Ron Paul" or "A Vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Jesus."?

That's fine to want a full investigation of 9/11. I think RP has said he wants that too. But you're not going to convince non-supporters of Ron Paul to support him by wearing a 9/11 Was an Inside Job tshirt. You're not going to get anyone to believe 9/11 was an inside job JUST by wearing a tshirt. The only way you're going to accomplish your goal of an investigation is by getting Ron Paul elected, and you're doing the opposite with these tshirts.


The 911Truthers that do this (and I'm pretty sure they're the minority) remind me of the people at anti-war rallies that start talking about national health care. They completely turn off the people that would otherwise be receptive.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

Here's Ron Paul's impromptu speech in the parking lot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLnr6LTy8oQ

[angrydragon]

Here's Ron Paul's impromptu speech in the parking lot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLnr6LTy8oQ

I heard about this...thanks for the video.

[djpatriot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uRhXiLMCaQ

my first youtube video. it came out real dark, but hey, it works as evidence to show there were definitely more than 600 people there

[Bro.Butch]

I don't know how many campaigns for federal office any of you have run or been involved with in your lives. I've been in two and I can tell you some facts. You don't win an election by running voters/supporters off, you win by getting more votes than the opposition and you do that by bringing coalitions together. Listen to Dr. Paul...

The Art of Politics is to bring people together, it's not to be divisive...You have to bring coalitions together, there's no doubt about it.., Ron Paul, May 19, 2007 Austin, TX Fundraiser..


“divisive”
1) wedge issue. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition.
...A sharply divisive political issue, especially in hopes of disaffecting a portion of ...
2) divisive. ...Creating dissension or discord. di·visive·ly -ADVERBdi·visive·ness -NOUN...
3) slap. ...and needed to be slapped down .2. To put a sudden end to; suppress: slap down... slap on the wrist A nominal or token punishment....

We need every vote we can get from every possible coalition we can bring together. More votes than the opposition, that's how we WIN the game !!!

We don't need to "wedge out", "disaffect", "suppress" or "slap down" anyone or create dissension or discord amongst the people who supports RP.


As for Jones, I understand he has donated $1000 to RP's campaign and his father has given even more, and he has also on numerous occasions ask his listeners to donate to the campaign. I would ask any of you to name any other radio host with a worldwide audience that has endorsed Dr. Paul for President. Anyone know one? I hope you know several !?! So please don't be attacking Jones or his followers or anyone on our side for that matter !

From what info I've been able to gather they are a coalition that RP accepts and they are an important part of this campaign. I doubt if very many in here have been as generous with their cash to the campaign as he has so please keep the divisive talk about him and his followers to yourselves. We don't WIN by running people off !

I had never heard of Jones until earlier this year. As for 9/11 truth I rather believe as RP tried to explain in the debate. It was blowback from our interventionist global foreign policy. However I haven't researched it to the extent as several members of this forum. I do know when I saw it on TV that I thought it was strange how those buildings imploded, similar to how old buildings are brought down by demoliition.

PEACE & Goodwill to All your RP friends, YA'LL !!! THX

[WannaBfree]

Here's Ron Paul's impromptu speech in the parking lot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLnr6LTy8oQ

Thanks!

[MozoVote]

Good points - and I think that's a large reason why Libertarians never get anywhere nationally. Sometimes you can be too pure to a cause. Coalition building requires bringing on board peopel that only 55% agree with you.

[WannaBfree]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uRhXiLMCaQ

my first youtube video. it came out real dark, but hey, it works as evidence to show there were definitely more than 600 people there

Thank you, and yes, there were definitely more than 600 people there!

[wizardwatson]

Ron Paul in Iowa Crowd Shots (And Cute Kid)

Just finished uploading crowd shots showing highlights from 12pm to 730pm.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5ZIoumJTUA

Cute kid starts at 4min 40sec

[WannaBfree]

What kind of response would you have if you saw a room full of people with shirts that said "Pray the rosary for Ron Paul" or "A Vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Jesus."?

Why use "a room full of people" as an example? It was reported as "one or two", out of 1000+ people. Which is .2 percent. But the subject of the .2 percent is taking up 90% of this photo thread!


That's fine to want a full investigation of 9/11. I think RP has said he wants that too. But you're not going to convince non-supporters of Ron Paul to support him by wearing a 9/11 Was an Inside Job tshirt. You're not going to get anyone to believe 9/11 was an inside job JUST by wearing a tshirt. The only way you're going to accomplish your goal of an investigation is by getting Ron Paul elected, and you're doing the opposite with these tshirts.

Maybe you should have voiced your opinion politely and privately to the "one or two" individuals who actually wore the shirts. I don't think anyone here wore 911 t-shirts, or would. But if they did, they have every right to. We just can't make everyone be the way we think they should be in a free society. This was written with all due respect to you.

[WannaBfree]

I don't know how many campaigns for federal office any of you have run or been involved with in your lives. I've been in two and I can tell you some facts. You don't win an election by running voters/supporters off, you win by getting more votes than the opposition and you do that by bringing coalitions together. Listen to Dr. Paul...

The Art of Politics is to bring people together, it's not to be divisive...You have to bring coalitions together, there's no doubt about it.., Ron Paul, May 19, 2007 Austin, TX Fundraiser..



They get a tremedous amount of web traffic and radio listeners - in the millions I understand. Campaign manager Kent Snyder was on his radio show last week and said "Thank goodness for shows like yours". Ron Paul will be on his radio show on the 5th. In many polls, including CNN, the majority of Americans do not believe in the official story. It all totals up to a lot of people. It's definately not "fringe" as the mainstream media wants you to believe.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/twogunkitten/GRAPH.jpg[/QUOTE]

[LastoftheMohicans]

As for Jones, I understand he has donated $1000 to RP's campaign and his father has given even more, and he has also on numerous occasions ask his listeners to donate to the campaign. I would ask any of you to name any other radio host with a worldwide audience that has endorsed Dr. Paul for President. Anyone know one? I hope you know several !?! So please don't be attacking Jones or his followers or anyone on our side for that matter !

From what info I've been able to gather they are a coalition that RP accepts and they are an important part of this campaign. I doubt if very many in here have been as generous with their cash to the campaign as he has so please keep the divisive talk about him and his followers to yourselves. We don't WIN by running people off !

I had never heard of Jones until earlier this year. As for 9/11 truth I rather believe as RP tried to explain in the debate. It was blowback from our interventionist global foreign policy. However I haven't researched it to the extent as several members of this forum. I do know when I saw it on TV that I thought it was strange how those buildings imploded, similar to how old buildings are brought down by demoliition.

PEACE & Goodwill to All your RP friends, YA'LL !!! THX

Putting aside Jones's "conspiracy theories" ( I hate that term), he's consistently anti-police state and pro-constitution. Look at all the other s--called libertarian or libertarian-leaning talk-show hosts, commentators, and columnists. How many of them are suck-ups to some big-government politician.

[MozoVote]

Interesting. Alexa says these forums are about as popular now as www.theoildrum.com or www.urbanplanet.org. (But nowhere near FARK or Slashdot.)

[JTCoyoté]

There is a lot of Ron Paul information coming in now, he is appealing to a wide spectrum of Americans which is a good thing though it has caused some detention and disparity toward groups who hold fire brand opinions that are sometimes seen as "kooky". Yet they all support and defend the good Doctor, should they be censored or not be allowed to speak as a supporter of Ron Paul?

Ron Paul's platform is Constitutional and tolerant, however this divisiveness is the destroyer that will kill his broad populist appeal if allowed to continue... There is room for Americans of all stripe, 2nd Amendment Democrats, marijuana smoking Libertarians, anti-war Republicans, Bible thumping Constitution Party members, Ed and Elaine Brown tax protesters, and yes, even 9-11 Truthers... We are all Americans, and all support Ron Paul!!

JTCoyoté

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -- Johann W. Von Goethe

[Trance Dance Master]

Interesting. Alexa says these forums are about as popular now as www.theoildrum.com or www.urbanplanet.org. (But nowhere near FARK or Slashdot.)

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?site0=ronpaulforums.com%2F&site1=theoildrum.com&site2=urbanplanet.org&site3=&site4=&y=t&z=1&h=300&w=610&range=3m&size=Medium&url=ronpaulforums.com/

[LibertyEagle]

As to the info-warriors, they are as essential as the Committee of Correspondence was in the besieged Colonies 240 years ago... Those of you who rabidly try to debunk every word of anyone who has a question about 9-11 are the problem here...

I haven't seen many people trying to "rabidly" debunk them. What I have seen are people asking that they do not pursue their "9-11 is an inside job" agenda at the same time they are campaigning for Dr. Paul. Just keep them separate. Then, no problem, whatsoever.

[JTCoyoté]

I haven't seen many people trying to "rabidly" debunk them. What I have seen are people asking that they do not pursue their "9-11 is an inside job" agenda at the same time they are campaigning for Dr. Paul. Just keep them separate. Then, no problem, whatsoever.

This is nice to know, since this subject foments much vitriol on most conservative forums. This is the basis of my concern, which I voiced, after all this is how it starts. The demonization of folks who hold the demolition view, is almost complete elsewhere...

The word "rabidly" was perhaps a bit premature here.

In any case, Alex Jones and GCN has been tireless in their promotion of Dr. Paul and the Constitutional cause, for years now.

JTCoyoté

"Think what you do when you run into debt; you give to another power over your liberty." -- Benjamin Franklin

[burnice]

I am so sick of hearing people complain about the 9-11 truthers. That's all this board has turned into.

I used to agree with those of you who said that it might hurt his message, but it's getting out of hand now. 1 or 2 people aren't going to ruin an entire rally. :rolleyes:

If Ron Paul doesn't win the nomination I guarantee that Alex Jones and 9-11 truthers will be to blame even if they had nothing to do with it.

Ohmygawd. I just skipped from this post to the last page and you people are still bitching about 9/11 truthers coming to this forum. I wholeheartedly agree with Birdlady's statement above and just wish you guys would get over it. Some of us are "truthers" - so f'ing what.

I'm about done with any participation with this forum and/or my local meetup groups if this is the freaking bullcrap I'm going to get to look forward to for the next 6-18 months.

I'll vote for Ron Paul in my primary still, but I have seriously had enough of this. YOU, who 'hate on' the 911 truthers are DIVIDING this support group. But I'm sure you'll be there to blame 911 truth if Dr. Paul doesn't receive the nomination (and I hate to break it to you, BUT THAT'S A GREAT BIG "IF"). :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I'm almost ashamed to be a part of this group. And I was never ashamed to be a part of 911 truth.

[burnice]

I haven't seen many people trying to "rabidly" debunk them. What I have seen are people asking that they do not pursue their "9-11 is an inside job" agenda at the same time they are campaigning for Dr. Paul. Just keep them separate. Then, no problem, whatsoever.

We wouldn't be in the extremely precarious situation were it not for 911, lies and coverups or not. I'm not about to debate you on the merits of the 'inside job' claim, but would like you to know that you have divided this forum with your incessant rants against 911 truth. YOU, LibertyEagle, stand out amongst the 1500 other posters here.

And I'm freaking sick of it. :mad:

[JTCoyoté]

We wouldn't be in the extremely precarious situation were it not for 911, lies and coverups or not. I'm not about to debate you on the merits of the 'inside job' claim, but would like you to know that you have divided this forum with your incessant rants against 911 truth. YOU, LibertyEagle, stand out amongst the 1500 other posters here.

And I'm freaking sick of it. :mad:

DON'T go away Burnice... you are among friends here... The "Debunkers" are on almost every political forum whether they be subtle or blatant, they are there. The subtle form pre-supposes the subject to be damaging and therefore should be avoided... The blatant form of debunking drag red herrings, erect O'Reilly strawmen, and call folks "kooks". I have my suspicion that there are huge office blocks in the beltway suburbs filled with PC's manned by Tax Dollar paid intelligence personnel whose task it is to debunk this subject and other Internet born anti-police state movements as well...

They were recruited by the CIA and other agencies from college or the military... they thought they were gonna be James Bond, but alas ended up in a bland DC cubicle, tasked with demonizing folks with names like Burnice and JTCoyoté on the Internet. Or anyone else who can see the inconsistencies in this system that if followed through, will destroy America... this is of course my opinion.

Hold fast to your view and learn more, learn the mechanics as well as the politics... A year and a half ago folks who started threads on some conservative sites about the SPP and the pending NAU were treated the same way... Being able to say I told you so is sweet reward...

JTCoyoté

"All government without the consent of the governed is the very definition of slavery." -- Jonathan Swift

[LibertyEagle]

We wouldn't be in the extremely precarious situation were it not for 911, lies and coverups or not. I'm not about to debate you on the merits of the 'inside job' claim, but would like you to know that you have divided this forum with your incessant rants against 911 truth. YOU, LibertyEagle, stand out amongst the 1500 other posters here.

And I'm freaking sick of it. :mad:

I have never debated the merits of whether 911 was an "inside job". Quite frankly, that is and never was the point. It is totally your right to believe anything that you want to. All I asked was to not attach it to Dr. Paul. If you have not done that, then it does not apply to you. I frankly do not know why this is asking so much. Apparently, you see otherwise.

[kylejack]

Burnice, get out.

[burnice]

Burnice, get out.

I think I'll do just that. No loss, I'm sure.

[kylejack]

I think I'll do just that. No loss, I'm sure.

I was just joking with you, mate. But whatever, if you can't take a little constructive criticism about how to best get Ron Paul elected, you're right, no great loss.

[Bryan]

Let's keep this civil and on-topic please. :)

PM's can be used to resolve some issues better.

[PatriotOne]

I think I'll do just that. No loss, I'm sure.

I was at the same point last night that you are right now. Take a break, get a good night's sleep, and come back tomorrow :D Don't let the provocateers run you off. If you do, THEY win. We are truther's, we are tougher than them ;)

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

1st Video production: Operation Blowback: Des Moines

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSpm8Qs0u1o

[LibertyEagle]

That was great, Scribbler. Thanks.

[BLS]

1st Video production: Operation Blowback: Des Moines

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSpm8Qs0u1o

Nice work! Looks like you guys/gals got noticed!!

[WannaBfree]

1st Video production: Operation Blowback: Des Moines

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSpm8Qs0u1o

Enjoyed that, thanks! Nice music, my choice for a campaign song!