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timosman
10-31-2016, 04:32 AM
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/olympia-voters-consider-an-income-tax-for-high-earners/


October 29, 2016

The city measure seeks to raise $3 million a year for a public college fund to give all the city’s public high-school graduates and GED recipients tuition for at least the first year of community or technical college or the equivalent toward state public university tuition.

OLYMPIA — Washington voters have rejected personal income-tax-related measures at the statewide ballot several times over the past eight decades. Now voters in the state capital will decide whether to approve an income tax on the city’s highest earners, even as the legality of the measure remains in question.

Initiative 1 seeks a 1.5 percent tax on household income in excess of $200,000 for residents of Olympia, a city of about 50,000 people. The measure seeks to raise an estimated $3 million a year for a public college tuition fund that would give all Olympia public high-school graduates and GED recipients tuition for at least the first year of community or technical college, or the equivalent amount — about $4,000 — for in-state public university tuition.

“It puts the spotlight on the finances of education,” said Democratic state Sen. Sam Hunt of Olympia, a supporter of the measure. “Obviously, it’s controversial. But I think at some point people need to step forward and say what we’re doing isn’t working, and we need to find better solutions. And this is one step toward finding a better solution.”

Opponents of the measure argue that Seattle activists are focused solely on teeing up a test case for the state Supreme Court, and are using a tax on the residents of Olympia to accomplish that goal.

The last time Washington voters approved an income tax was in 1932, but the measure was ruled unconstitutional by the state Supreme Court the following year. In 1984, the state Legislature approved a law that prohibits a county, city or city-county from levying a tax on net income.

“It’s not about education,” said Olympia Mayor Cheryl Selby, who noted that she supports the idea of a statewide income tax and has voted in favor of one before. “What I’m trusting is that our community, because we are so literate and educated around political issues, will see through this.”

Last month, the state Court of Appeals ruled the Olympia income-tax measure should appear on the ballot even as legal challenges to it continue. The ruling came after an appeal of an August ruling by Pierce County Superior Court Judge Jack Nevin, who found the measure went beyond the scope of local initiative power and ruled it should not appear on the ballot.

The appellate-court order noted that there would be “ample time to litigate the issues raised after the election.”

The phrase “income tax” does not appear on the ballot title, after a superior-court judge ruled in favor of initiative proponents that it would be prejudicial to the proponents, who say the proposed tax is technically an excise tax because it taxes gross income. Instead, the ballot title simply says that the measure “concerns establishing and funding a college grant program.”

In the fuller description below the title, it notes that the grants would be funded by a tax on household income above $200,000.

Supporters of the measure — including the Economic Opportunity Institute in Seattle — have raised more than $213,000, with the top donations coming from residents of Seattle and surrounding areas. Opponents have raised about $5,700.

Washington is one of seven states — the others are Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas and Wyoming — without a personal income tax. New Hampshire and Tennessee have a limited income tax on interest, dividends and capital gains, but they do not tax wages and salaries, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Voters last considered a statewide income tax in 2010, overwhelmingly defeating a measure that would have taxed the top 1 percent of the state’s earners. Initiative 1098 was defeated in all 39 counties, including Olympia’s Thurston County, where nearly 61 percent of voters rejected it. But of the 60 precincts within the city of Olympia — which is more liberal than the rest of the county — the measure prevailed in 38, garnering 11,380 “yes” votes to 8,925 “no” votes.

Hugh Spitzer, a University of Washington law professor specializing in state constitutional law, who is affiliated with the law firm representing the city of Olympia in the case, said that if the state Legislature passed an income tax or asked the voters to pass a statewide income tax, there’s a reasonably good chance the court would uphold such a law this time around.

But the effort in Olympia is “beyond a code city’s statutory authority,” Spitzer said.

Heather Weiner, a spokeswoman for the initiative campaign, said the state needs to ensure there is enough of an educated local workforce that big companies aren’t forced to seek talent from outside the state. As the seat of state government, Olympia is the perfect city to have that discussion, she said.

“It sends a message to the state Legislature that we need to find progressive tax solutions to our higher-education crisis,” Weiner said.

tod evans
10-31-2016, 05:13 AM
“It puts the spotlight on the finances of education,” said Democratic state Sen. Sam Hunt

No "it" doesn't Sam you moron. "It" tries to put the onus of the cost on the public at large, specifically the working public.

If you actually want to "put the spotlight on the finances of education" then forbid the use of federal money. Federally backed loans, federal grants and any other sceme used to keep private money out of the educational forum, that would shine a light Sam...

timosman
10-31-2016, 05:50 AM
No "it" doesn't Sam you moron. "It" tries to put the onus of the cost on the public at large, specifically the working public.

If you actually want to "put the spotlight on the finances of education" then forbid the use of federal money. Federally backed loans, federal grants and any other sceme used to keep private money out of the educational forum, that would shine a light Sam...

That would be too hard. The federal government is not really interested in having this conversation with the city of Olympia so the city needs to solve this problem in some other way. Isn't having multiple layers of government great? How much government can you afford?

Origanalist
10-31-2016, 05:58 AM
That would be too hard. The federal government is not really interested in having this conversation with the city of Olympia so the city needs to solve this problem in some other way. Isn't having multiple layers of government great? How much government can you afford?

In Olympia the sky is the limit. No pun intended, it really is.

euphemia
10-31-2016, 07:26 AM
In my opinion, college is becoming less and less relevant as an insitution of higher learning. What college does is indoctrinate young adults to a certain way of thinking. In my opinion, all federal money to colleges and universities should end pronto, including student loans. For a high schooler who works part time and in summers, studying at a local community college for at least two years in a specific employable program can be helpful, but that's about it unless someone really plans to be a doctor. Taxpayers should be fed up with giving kids free room and board so they can be indoctrinated to a certain mindset and schooled on how to gouge more money from the system.

Weston White
10-31-2016, 07:28 AM
The phrase “income tax” does not appear on the ballot title, after a superior-court judge ruled in favor of initiative proponents that it would be prejudicial to the proponents, who say the proposed tax is technically an excise tax because it taxes gross income. Instead, the ballot title simply says that the measure “concerns establishing and funding a college grant program.”

So the court rules not to be prejudicial to the makers of this tyranny, but to the opponents of said tyranny?

...Also if it is intended to be a tax upon one's capital it CANNOT properly be considered an excise tax, but as a method of direct taxation.

...Also what good is one-years worth of credits at a community college going to do anybody? All this hubbub for $4K? Really, just tell those kids to either join the military for the GI Bill (or whatever they have going on nowadays) or just get a part-time job and goto school while living at home w/ mom and dad.

Anti Federalist
10-31-2016, 06:45 PM
In my opinion, college is becoming less and less relevant as an insitution of higher learning. What college does is indoctrinate young adults to a certain way of thinking. In my opinion, all federal money to colleges and universities should end pronto, including student loans. For a high schooler who works part time and in summers, studying at a local community college for at least two years in a specific employable program can be helpful, but that's about it unless someone really plans to be a doctor. Taxpayers should be fed up with giving kids free room and board so they can be indoctrinated to a certain mindset and schooled on how to gouge more money from the system.

Which is precisely why none of those things you mentioned are going to happen.

Anti Federalist
10-31-2016, 06:46 PM
So the court rules not to be prejudicial to the makers of this tyranny, but to the opponents of said tyranny?

...Also if it is intended to be a tax upon one's capital it CANNOT properly be considered an excise tax, but as a method of direct taxation.

...Also what good is one-years worth of credits at a community college going to do anybody? All this hubbub for $4K? Really, just tell those kids to either join the military for the GI Bill (or whatever they have going on nowadays) or just get a part-time job and goto school while living at home w/ mom and dad.

Incrementalism.

oyarde
10-31-2016, 07:05 PM
When I lived in Tacoma the sales tax was so high it discouraged large purchases .

axiomata
10-31-2016, 10:07 PM
Voting in WA state is very easy this year. No to all initiatives. Libertarian if on the ballot, otherwise Republican. I mean look at these initiatives. And assume that democrats on the ballot think they are great ideas.

Initiative Measure No. 1433 concerns labor standards.
This measure would increase the state minimum wage to $11.00 in 2017, $11.50 in 2018, $12.00 in 2019, and $13.50 in 2020, require employers to provide paid sick leave, and adopt related laws.


Initiative Measure No. 1464 concerns campaign finance laws and lobbyists.
This measure would create a campaign-finance system; allow residents to direct state funds to candidates; repeal the non-resident sales-tax exemption; restrict lobbying employment by certain former public employees; and add enforcement requirements.


Initiative Measure No. 1491 concerns court-issued extreme risk protection orders temporarily preventing access to firearms.
This measure would allow police, family, or household members to obtain court orders temporarily preventing firearms access by persons exhibiting mental illness, violent or other behavior indicating they may harm themselves or others.


Initiative Measure No. 1501 concerns seniors and vulnerable individuals.
This measure would increase the penalties for criminal identity theft and civil consumer fraud targeted at seniors or vulnerable individuals; and exempt certain information of vulnerable individuals and in-home caregivers from public disclosure. [this one sounded reasonable until you read the nitty gritty (https://www.freedomfoundation.com/blogs/liberty-live/i-1501-isn%E2%80%99t-about-privacy-it%E2%80%99s-about-protecting-the-unions%E2%80%99-monopoly-over-public)]


Initiative Measure No. 732 concerns taxes.
This measure would impose a carbon emission tax on certain fossil fuels and fossil-fuel-generated electricity, reduce the sales tax by one percentage point and increase a low-income exemption, and reduce certain manufacturing taxes.


Initiative Measure No. 735 concerns a proposed amendment to the federal constitution.
This measure would urge the Washington state congressional delegation to propose a federal constitutional amendment that constitutional rights belong only to individuals, not corporations, and constitutionally-protected free speech excludes the spending of money.

Weston White
10-31-2016, 11:18 PM
and constitutionally-protected free speech excludes the spending of money.

WTF!? Spending money an example of physically manifesting one's speech. And corporations exist of cooperating groups of individuals. If this is intending to be a countermeasure to lobbying tactics, there are better ways to address that concern.