Why we won't win the Christian Right....

[Rex]

So talking with grand-pa in law he has this to say about politics:

1. Ron Paul is a Democrat
2. Bush went to war legally because the president can do that
3. That ni**er won't win
and
4. Huckabee is the only hope and real person

He is so old school and "Christian" , flyies his American flags on his van with "viva Bush" bumperstickers.

I'm ashamed to sometimes even stand next to the guy.

I hope everybody here doesn't have to deal with family like this..

[jb4ronpaul]

I have held some pretty crazy opinions and ideas in my life. We are fed so much crap from the media. Anyone is a possible supporter, it's just a matter of education. At some point something just clicks.

[LibertyEagle]

Show him some of the articles from Pastor Chuck Baldwin. He even has a couple about Huckabee.
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/speech.html

You might also tell him that Barry Goldwater, Jr. has endorsed him. I'd like to see him call Goldwater a Democrat. ;)
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/57/barry-goldwater-jr-releases-video-endorsement-of-ron-paul-for-president/

What are your grandfather's hot points? Because it should be pretty easy to show him that Huckabee is nothing but a liberal. He calls anyone against illegal immigration, racists. He is a vocal advocate of in-state tuition for illegal aliens. He paroled a convicted rapist, who then went on to murder another person. He loves taxes and has proven he won't hesitate to hike them at every opportunity. .......

[dirknb@hotmail.com]

Keep working on him, he's just been brainwashed for a long time and will take longer to educate.

[rich34]

Paul a democrat?? The republican party is drunk on war! They don't care if a guy is going to raise your taxes, give the money to illegals for their health care and education, trample the constitution and personal liberties, just so long as you are for the war you are a republican. These damn people have gone mad!

It's truely a shame.

[Myerz]

Ya, he sounds Christian alright..... Old school Christian? Makes me feel better that I am a new school Christian....and so are a lot of other older Christians.

So, I think your Thread Title is wrong.... More like Why we won't get the Racist Hypocrite Christian vote...

[jasonoliver]

So talking with grand-pa in law he has this to say about politics:

1. Ron Paul is a Democrat
2. Bush went to war legally because the president can do that
3. That ni**er won't win
and
4. Huckabee is the only hope and real person

He is so old school and "Christian" , flyies his American flags on his van with "viva Bush" bumperstickers.

I'm ashamed to sometimes even stand next to the guy.

I hope everybody here doesn't have to deal with family like this..

Just because he is ignorant, it doesn't mean that all Christian Conservatives are.

Baptists tend to be very wary of Government.

[robert4rp08]

1. Elected 10 times as a republican in Congress
2. Show him Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution
3. Speechless
4. taxhikemike.org

... and show him this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=JX-FiXTgKFo

If he still doesn't budge, I weep for you. hehe

[sluggo]

I won't make a blanket statement that applies to all Christians, but I will say that one hurdle I've witnessed is the fact that Dr. Paul will not try to legislate morality. Freedom is a double edged sword, and it will allow people to do and say things that you may not like. Their are quite a few Christians who would prefer a candidate like Huckabee, who will attempt to ban anything that doesn't fit into a prescribed set of morals.

But, there are just as many Christians who get it, and they are they ones we need to reach out to.

[Alabama Supporter]

So talking with grand-pa in law he has this to say about politics:

1. Ron Paul is a Democrat
2. Bush went to war legally because the president can do that
3. That ni**er won't win
and
4. Huckabee is the only hope and real person

He is so old school and "Christian" , flyies his American flags on his van with "viva Bush" bumperstickers.

I'm ashamed to sometimes even stand next to the guy.

I hope everybody here doesn't have to deal with family like this..

This is an honest assessment we have to make. Many of you will provide advice on how to "wake' this gentlemen up, but he like many others are lost causes. They can only be snapped out of it on their own.

I know many people like this, but the key thing will be us turning out to vote for our favorite while they hopefully split up the vote among the bad guys.

[dante]

I and many members of my extended family are Evangelical Christians, supervoters, long time political activists and are all hardcore Ron Paul supporters. Please please please don't be defeatist about the Christian vote...please please please don't say we are all sheep... yes for some it will take some educating... but please don't give up... a good place to start is the abortion issue and how for 30 years RP has proposed an immediate solution to overturning Roe v wade and the rest of the republican party ignores him.

Another good place to start is talk about the just war theory... and mention that RP went after OBL and if were president we would have caught and exterminated every single member of alqueida by now... not created another 6,000 of them by getting distracted and bogged down in Iraq...

[JMO]

If someone thinks Bush is doing a good job they will not vote for Ron Paul. Those people are a lost cause. At least that is my opinion.

[hellah10]

ive had a hard time trying to talk to Christians about Dr. Paul as well... but Im a Muslim, why would they believe me :p:p:p

[Mandrik]

I know people like this and I really have no hope for them. The 60+ crowd that believes these things will never budge as far as I'm concerned. They are set in their ways--move on. Ignorance is difficult to change in a person. The only way I've found someone is able to overcome this type of attitude is if he or she wants to do it.

With that said, one of the most religious persons that I know is a Ron Paul fan. The guy is actually the godfather of one of my daughters. His daughter (my age) is my wife's godmother. My wife was baptized into the Greek Orthodox church when we got married. If I ever have any questions regarding religion, I always go to him. He's a great speaker and a well educated man. I only found out he was a Ron Paul supporter a few weeks ago when he saw the stickers on my car. I have to say, I was a bit shocked at this because we never even talked politics before.

So not all Christians are like this. At least not the Greek Orthodox crowd in my area. There are a lot of us who are huge Ron Paul supporters, many of which already maxed out.

[Mr. White]

Don't even both with him, your Grandpas company is worth more than his vote. Love the man, spend non-political time with him, and hide his keys and phone on election day... *cough*

[fedup100]

This is a great example of the definition of "brainwashing".

We must take back control of the media and our schools or I do not think this cancer can be defeated.

I see suggestions to show the man this or that, but you must realize the man is a zombie. The word of God says clearly that "if you raise up a child in the way he should go, when he is old, he will not depart from it". Now understand you can raise up a child to be good or evil or a fascist brown shirt.......get it?

This is why they have taken control of educating our children. This is strong brainwashing that is not likely cured easily. Note, "when he is old, he will not depart from it", what they are taught early is cemented into their brains.

If most of you aren't mad as hell right now, then you aren't paying attention.

[Ozwest]

Forget trying to convert the war mongering "religious right" left-overs in the Republican party, and convert the moderate Christians and disenfranchised Republicans looking for a new leader.

[TN_VOL]

I believe the reason we can't reach older conservative voters is because they get their news from the same old places. They don't understand the internet and don't really want to. My grandmother will probably want me to take her to the polls so she can vote for Hillary, she already told me that is who she is voting for, but I'm planning on forgetting abour her that day.

[werdd]

So talking with grand-pa in law he has this to say about politics:

1. Ron Paul is a Democrat
2. Bush went to war legally because the president can do that
3. That ni**er won't win
and
4. Huckabee is the only hope and real person

He is so old school and "Christian" , flyies his American flags on his van with "viva Bush" bumperstickers.

I'm ashamed to sometimes even stand next to the guy.

I hope everybody here doesn't have to deal with family like this..

he sounds like an oldschool democrat

[Rex]

Yah I think he is a lost cause...

[LBT]

It's sad when you wake up and realize that the people close to you have been infected with so much propaganda.

[manny]

There are many arguments to use when converting Christians. They're a diverse bunch. As has been mentioned questions about just-war, Ron's long republican record, his liking of home-schooling, his belief that the government shouldn't actively suppress christianity.

But the real KO punch is that the young people are for Ron Paul. If people don't want to see Hillary or Obama turning America socialist, then RP is their only hope.

[fortilite]

Alot of Christian Right are on this board. Your grandpa's problem is he is a statist, it has nothing to do with Christianity.

[Corydoras]

If he likes both Christianity and Huckabee so much, you could ask him why Huckabee declined to be specific about his beliefs and said that they're not so important to being president.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071207/ap_on_el_pr/huckabee_religion

[Kingfisher]

Ya, he sounds Christian alright..... Old school Christian? Makes me feel better that I am a new school Christian....and so are a lot of other older Christians.

So, I think your Thread Title is wrong.... More like Why we won't get the Racist Hypocrite Christian vote...

DITTO!!

[BeFranklin]

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[dirknb@hotmail.com]

I won't make a blanket statement that applies to all Christians, but I will say that one hurdle I've witnessed is the fact that Dr. Paul will not try to legislate morality. Freedom is a double edged sword, and it will allow people to do and say things that you may not like. Their are quite a few Christians who would prefer a candidate like Huckabee, who will attempt to ban anything that doesn't fit into a prescribed set of morals.

But, there are just as many Christians who get it, and they are they ones we need to reach out to.

Would be great if they could all see Zeitgeist (www.zeitgeistmovie.com (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com))

[Ozwest]

Sorry,

There are many Christian nations in the world.

None are so influenced by Religion as America is when it comes to electing your leaders.

Seperation of Church and State? Mmmmm...

[OptionsTrader]

So talking with grand-pa in law he has this to say about politics:

1. Ron Paul is a Democrat
2. Bush went to war legally because the president can do that
3. That ni**er won't win
and
4. Huckabee is the only hope and real person

He is so old school and "Christian" , flyies his American flags on his van with "viva Bush" bumperstickers.

I'm ashamed to sometimes even stand next to the guy.

I hope everybody here doesn't have to deal with family like this..

Your racist grandpa isn't representative of the people. I hope.

[quickmike]

Yah I think he is a lost cause...

Yeah, he sounds a lot like this wannabee cowboy on youtube. People like this just piss me off because they say things and dont have ANY clue as to what they are saying. Its almost like they dont want to know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiCYv3ijxFs He calls himself Rainman............... I understand why.

[Akus]

So talking with grand-pa in law he has this to say about politics:

1. Ron Paul is a Democrat
2. Bush went to war legally because the president can do that
3. That ni**er won't win
and
4. Huckabee is the only hope and real person

He is so old school and "Christian" , flyies his American flags on his van with "viva Bush" bumperstickers.

I'm ashamed to sometimes even stand next to the guy.

I hope everybody here doesn't have to deal with family like this..

Rex, unlike others here who keep giving you extra rebuttals to turn around some one who has no idea about the process of going to war and thinks anyone opposing it is a Democrat/Liberal/Terrorist/Al-Quaeda shill, I will tell you to just drop it and drop HIM. Let him alone. For every minute you're spending trying to convince him Ron Paul is not any of those things, there are 10 people who are indifferent to politics because of all the bullshit but who would be instant Ron Paul supporters upon reading one lousy slim-jim.

Prioritize, d00d.

[LibertyEagle]

Don't even both with him, your Grandpas company is worth more than his vote. Love the man, spend non-political time with him, and hide his keys and phone on election day... *cough*

:D

[RedLightning]

... and show him this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=JX-FiXTgKFo




Watching that video makes me sad, it looked like we may have had a good president. Its crazy how different he acts now.

[Ozwest]

Ron Paul understands the "seperation of church and state" and he makes no bones about it.

Unfortunately, "blowhards" professing their Religious hypocricy win the day with the support of congregational fools lead by opportunistic charletons.

Hence, the truest Christian is ignored.

[LibertyEagle]

I believe the reason we can't reach older conservative voters is because they get their news from the same old places. They don't understand the internet and don't really want to. My grandmother will probably want me to take her to the polls so she can vote for Hillary, she already told me that is who she is voting for, but I'm planning on forgetting abour her that day.

She's a conservative and she's planning on voting for HILLARY? :confused::eek:

If she's really a conservative, show her the video of Barry Goldwater, Jr. endorsing Paul. http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/57/barry-goldwater-jr-releases-video-endorsement-of-ron-paul-for-president/

[James R]

So talking with grand-pa in law he has this to say about politics:

1. Ron Paul is a Democrat
2. Bush went to war legally because the president can do that
3. That ni**er won't win
and
4. Huckabee is the only hope and real person

He is so old school and "Christian" , flyies his American flags on his van with "viva Bush" bumperstickers.

I'm ashamed to sometimes even stand next to the guy.

I hope everybody here doesn't have to deal with family like this..

1. Huckabee is a Liberal. Ron Paul is a true conservative
2. Only Congress may declare war. Show her the line in the constitution.
3. ???
4. Huckabee spent 4 million to upgrade his mansion. Is that what a Christian leader does? Does a filthy rich Chrisitan take money from their campaign fund for themself, then not report that fact?

The Christian vote is the easy.

[tremendoustie]

Rex, unlike others here who keep giving you extra rebuttals to turn around some one who has no idea about the process of going to war and thinks anyone opposing it is a Democrat/Liberal/Terrorist/Al-Quaeda shill, I will tell you to just drop it and drop HIM. Let him alone. For every minute you're spending trying to convince him Ron Paul is not any of those things, there are 10 people who are indifferent to politics because of all the bullshit but who would be instant Ron Paul supporters upon reading one lousy slim-jim.

Prioritize, d00d.

I agree, your grand father sounds like, well, shall we say, not the person you want to spend a large amount and time and effort on. As Akus says, there are a lot of well informed, would be instant Ron Paul supporters that you could talk to. If a person's basic assumptions from which they reason (or don't as the case may be) are screwy enough and prejudiced enough, it's going to be hard to get anywhere.

Also, please stop the nasty "Christian Right" stereotypes, I see this way too often on these boards.

[tomcat]

Who CARES about winning the Christian Right!?? They are exactly WHY we need neocons OUT of the presidency. Getting their support is a highly inefficient endeavor. People who take things merely on faith won't listen to reason. Forgettaboutit and move on to people who don't wish we were living in a Theocracy...

[Ozwest]

The Christian right is a manifestation of Carl Rove and previous purveyors of political manipulation.

Stop sucking up to them, because they hate Ron Paul and his supporters, and they will never come around.

They are what remains of a decaying corpse of a Republican Party.

Thank God there still many good Christians and dissilusioned Republicans remaining. Not to mention the Indy's ,Dems, and others.

[tremendoustie]

Who CARES about winning the Christian Right!?? They are exactly WHY we need neocons OUT of the presidency. Getting their support is a highly inefficient endeavor. People who take things merely on faith won't listen to reason. Forgettaboutit and move on to people who don't wish we were living in a Theocracy...

Ok, again, please cut the stereotypes people. And, by the way, faith is not a replacement for reason, faith is acting upon beliefs you have found reasonable, especially when the action is risky or difficult. If you fly in an airplane you have reasonably concluded is airworthy, you are placing your faith in the airplane. If you jump on an airplane you're sure will go down, you don't have faith, you're just stupid.

[rodent]

Your racist grandpa isn't representative of the people. I hope.

I think that guy is a pretty accurate reflection of private people. People in public don't run around saying that stuff because it costs them.